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On February 14 2016 08:59 Seeker wrote: Starting from this page on, I will be moderating more harshly toward any mention of MarineKing's name. This thread has NOTHING to do with MarineKing. Do not talk about MarineKing even if you are defending him. Just don't do it. Please no match-fixing accusations on MarineKing or any other player if it has not officially been confirmed. This goes for other players too. -The_Templar |
On February 01 2016 07:52 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 07:39 Swisslink wrote: How long does this shit normally take until we know if he's convicted or not? I mean, he'd have to play his Code A match quite soon. At this point I think it's pretty safe to say Bunny is going to advance via Forfeit, whether it's KeSPA enforced or not I mean, would be pretty unfair if he just got on through without playing. Imagine how all the poor guys who lost in Code A would feel if they learn that they were one lucky draw away from a free Code S spot.
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On February 01 2016 07:36 [OGN]Remmy wrote: OMG Poor Life. He would have been a really bright future. the Heck
"poor" Life? If the accusation are true, it's his own damn fault. How can you feel sorry for him?
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On February 01 2016 08:01 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 07:52 showstealer1829 wrote:On February 01 2016 07:39 Swisslink wrote: How long does this shit normally take until we know if he's convicted or not? I mean, he'd have to play his Code A match quite soon. At this point I think it's pretty safe to say Bunny is going to advance via Forfeit, whether it's KeSPA enforced or not I mean, would be pretty unfair if he just got on through without playing. Imagine how all the poor guys who lost in Code A would feel if they learn that they were one lucky draw away from a free Code S spot.
But who do you replace him with? I guess if anyone it would be the 4th place finisher from Life's qualifying group. Elroye
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On February 01 2016 07:52 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 07:39 Swisslink wrote: How long does this shit normally take until we know if he's convicted or not? I mean, he'd have to play his Code A match quite soon. At this point I think it's pretty safe to say Bunny is going to advance via Forfeit, whether it's KeSPA enforced or not
I don't know the law in Korea of course - but I'd assume here someone could not be held in custody for an unlimited amount of time if they are unable to definitely prove his guilt. But yeah, it's of course most likely gonna end up in a forfait victory for bunny.
On February 01 2016 08:05 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 08:01 Elentos wrote:On February 01 2016 07:52 showstealer1829 wrote:On February 01 2016 07:39 Swisslink wrote: How long does this shit normally take until we know if he's convicted or not? I mean, he'd have to play his Code A match quite soon. At this point I think it's pretty safe to say Bunny is going to advance via Forfeit, whether it's KeSPA enforced or not I mean, would be pretty unfair if he just got on through without playing. Imagine how all the poor guys who lost in Code A would feel if they learn that they were one lucky draw away from a free Code S spot. But who do you replace him with? I guess if anyone it would be the 4th place finisher from Life's qualifying group. Elroye
Not really fair neither, because Bunny will obviously have prepared for his match against Life. Replacing him on rather short notice would be rather unfair towards bunny.
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On February 01 2016 08:01 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 07:52 showstealer1829 wrote:On February 01 2016 07:39 Swisslink wrote: How long does this shit normally take until we know if he's convicted or not? I mean, he'd have to play his Code A match quite soon. At this point I think it's pretty safe to say Bunny is going to advance via Forfeit, whether it's KeSPA enforced or not I mean, would be pretty unfair if he just got on through without playing. Imagine how all the poor guys who lost in Code A would feel if they learn that they were one lucky draw away from a free Code S spot.
You say that as if byes hadn't just determined half the SSL qualifiers. Or any qualifier ever, really. What's the alternative? Have a qualifier for the match with Bunny, composed of everyone who dropped out of Code A? As entertaining as that would be, its not very fair either.
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On February 01 2016 08:05 Swisslink wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 07:52 showstealer1829 wrote:On February 01 2016 07:39 Swisslink wrote: How long does this shit normally take until we know if he's convicted or not? I mean, he'd have to play his Code A match quite soon. At this point I think it's pretty safe to say Bunny is going to advance via Forfeit, whether it's KeSPA enforced or not I don't know the law in Korea of course - but I'd assume here someone could not be held in custody for an unlimited amount of time if they are unable to definitely prove his guilt. But yeah, it's of course most likely gonna end up in a forfait victory for bunny. Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 08:05 showstealer1829 wrote:On February 01 2016 08:01 Elentos wrote:On February 01 2016 07:52 showstealer1829 wrote:On February 01 2016 07:39 Swisslink wrote: How long does this shit normally take until we know if he's convicted or not? I mean, he'd have to play his Code A match quite soon. At this point I think it's pretty safe to say Bunny is going to advance via Forfeit, whether it's KeSPA enforced or not I mean, would be pretty unfair if he just got on through without playing. Imagine how all the poor guys who lost in Code A would feel if they learn that they were one lucky draw away from a free Code S spot. But who do you replace him with? I guess if anyone it would be the 4th place finisher from Life's qualifying group. Elroye Not really fair neither, because Bunny will obviously have prepared for his match against Life. Replacing him on rather short notice would be rather unfair towards bunny.
Elroye would also have be flown out to Korea again and I highly doubt he'll have any time to prepare once he gets there, so Dead Pixels would be throwing money away for nothing.
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Yeah if that comes to pass I think the fairest thing is just for Bunny to advance.
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On February 01 2016 08:09 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 08:01 Elentos wrote:On February 01 2016 07:52 showstealer1829 wrote:On February 01 2016 07:39 Swisslink wrote: How long does this shit normally take until we know if he's convicted or not? I mean, he'd have to play his Code A match quite soon. At this point I think it's pretty safe to say Bunny is going to advance via Forfeit, whether it's KeSPA enforced or not I mean, would be pretty unfair if he just got on through without playing. Imagine how all the poor guys who lost in Code A would feel if they learn that they were one lucky draw away from a free Code S spot. You say that as if byes hadn't just determined half the SSL qualifiers. Or any qualifier ever, really. What's the alternative? Have a qualifier for the match with Bunny, composed of everyone who dropped out of Code A? As entertaining as that would be, its not very fair either. Yeah, qualifiers with huge numbers of participants of which less than half can go through tend to have that, but you don't qualify with a bye. You play another guy afterwards, and then another one, and another one, until you qualify (or fail). But Code A isn't just a qualifier, it's an official televised tournament match for money, WCS points and a chance to make a name for yourself. It's a challenge to prove that you're among the 32 best players in Korea. And if Bunny gets a bye, there'll be 31 players waiting in Code S who worked more to get there.
The fairest way IMO would be to have everyone who lost in Code A play out a bracket (which could even be done online & without stream) where the winner gets a 2nd chance and plays against Bunny. But there's no way to fit that into the schedule as far as I can tell, since Bunny would have to get at least a week to prepare. So alas, we'll end up with a boring solution.
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On February 01 2016 08:03 SC2Towelie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 07:36 [OGN]Remmy wrote: OMG Poor Life. He would have been a really bright future. the Heck "poor" Life? If the accusation are true, it's his own damn fault. How can you feel sorry for him? I feel rather bad for him, in that he may have potentially ruined something forever that he was truly exceptional in. I think it's possible to pity someone while also holding them responsible for their poor choices.
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i wonder what pushed him?
wishing life the best. he must have had his reasons. his life, his choices.
on another note, cannot wait to see when sc2 has a stable foundation where all professional players are paid a living wage without having to rely on winning tournaments.
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On February 01 2016 08:37 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 08:03 SC2Towelie wrote:On February 01 2016 07:36 [OGN]Remmy wrote: OMG Poor Life. He would have been a really bright future. the Heck "poor" Life? If the accusation are true, it's his own damn fault. How can you feel sorry for him? I feel rather bad for him, in that he may have potentially ruined something forever that he was truly exceptional in. I think it's possible to pity someone while also holding them responsible for their poor choices. And let's hope that he learns from his mistakes, if true of course.
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Bunny gets now free to Code S but Zest or Maru will be missing
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Man talk about history repeating itself :C
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On February 01 2016 08:51 zakadar wrote: Bunny gets now free to Code S but Zest or Maru will be missing
Zest or Maru missing was going to blow absolutely regardless of anything else that happened. Bunny won't be the only player in Code S who deserves his spot a lot less than those guys.
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On February 01 2016 07:26 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 07:07 I wasbanned fromthis wrote: Fuck its amazing the extent of retardation; people whining about blizzard not making polished game. Cant make one fucking post about the ownership they should be taking to eliminate the potential Harassment players have endured because of this ring they're in. Blizzard if not having been aware should have had a relationship with KESPA to degree they would be informed of this kind of underlying issue outside in the real world. KESPA should be held responsible for not providing an atmosphere for players to feel safe and secure. Police should have had more interaction with KESPA before with the SC:BW issue and even as of late policies for player security should have been in contest vs the current norm. Saying they Cant do this or that to provide secure environments, is nonsense. If it is true they cant, if KESPA wasnt reliable, maybe the Federation may have endured.
Im appauled people talking arent holding either of these 2 more resposible, we're talking about kids in contracts with large companies... Using the word Pro is a great fluff term for describing sitting at a computer with high focus, and executing actions at high speeds. The Professionals that run the companies that are employing sponsoring and exploiting these players, should have been in the know, and had some potential compassion for young-people being in a world as corrupt as we have seen of late. These are fucking kids. I feel for the parents.
The way this has been discussed, bunch more fluff. not all, but too much that it's no wonder this game's going to shit. the average mentality of people is stifled from reality. More people need to ladder less and read more.
exploiting kids has been a big issue for Companies like shoe makers and large retail stores... why are these companies not held to the same degree. People playing these games for a living under contract deserve some respect for wasting valuable time in a corrosive environment. Given a new environment where corrupt outsiders could not influence younger people to bend to their will, assuming such exists would players like Life, Yoda ect still be a hazard for corrupt behavior?
They can plead responsibility, but if KESPA/Blizzard cant afford assistance due to their negligence each, then who even regulates players in the future,
my thought is that if thugs think they can jack the system (exploit players) why cant blizzard and KESPA do the same and remain silent when they could very well take responsibility; because they're providing the conditions for this shit to happen..
Fucking gross
To each player who's guilty in this, all the best in the future, and peace. I Hope you can be absolved with compassion and fairness. What, exactly, would you have KESPA and/or Blizzard do?
I guess put the players in literal KESPA jail so there's absolutely no way for outsiders to contact the players in any way.
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On February 01 2016 07:37 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 07:36 [OGN]Remmy wrote: OMG Poor Life. He would have been a really bright future. the Heck poor Life? wth
he's going to have a lot of difficulties with employment for the rest of his life. he also has to contend with the military being aware of his crime.
for a young person this is a very sad outcome.
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I'm trying to pretend this is all a misunderstanding.
I really liked life....
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On February 01 2016 09:21 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm trying to pretend this is all a misunderstanding.
I really liked life.... Me too. Maybe it is, it's not certain yet.
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On January 31 2016 21:40 pr1de wrote: Just rememberd why i left this site. to much self righteous people that they think they are 'god' or some kind of rolemodel for how a forum should be in their minds.
You post a rumour, people ask for source, and then say "I didn't say it was FACT" and then get mad at the people criticizing you? All your post did was muddy the conversation; if people started posting unsubstantiated rumors then things would be much worse.
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I just finished watching Making a Murderer so I'm going to assume innocence until the evidence comes in, it certainly sounds bad though for sure.
Finally got to Blizzcon last year and got to watch him play in the arena against Innovation. Coming from Australia it was the first time I'd been able to get to a big esports event and was so cool to be able to see him vs Innovation with such a great crowd. Will be so disappointing if this is all true.
With that said, I wouldn't pretend to know the circumstances. Hes still a kid, if he did match fix it might be worse than just an offer of money. Hopefully he wasn't threatened, blackmailed, any of the other possibilities. At least if it was simply an offer of money and hes found guilty, it'll be all on him.
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