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Life to Afreeca Freecs, Leenock to KT in trade - Page 8

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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-27 11:12:59
January 27 2016 11:11 GMT
#141
On January 27 2016 20:04 ejozl wrote:
I have no insigt whatsoever, but this seems like a bad sense of loyalty from KT. If Life was still the best of the best, they would've probably held onto him.

I want Leenock&Life on same team

He got top 2 at Blizzcon and 2nd in the first GSL Pre-Season, I don't think his results are the reason here. Especially since Leenock has no comparable results. Honestly Life asking to change teams is more likely than KT wanting to get rid of him.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
January 27 2016 11:13 GMT
#142
I haven't seen this posted yet btw? I don't think this thread can exist without it.

Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
January 27 2016 11:21 GMT
#143
Tbh, KT recruiting Life last year was a big disappointment. I mean his results in PL were decent, but decent for Life just means terrible.

He never played at his level in proleague, failed his team in every important moment (aces matches, play off) for a 52% overall winrate.

Since his GSTL days in startale were not stellar either, it's safe to say that Life just is not a team player for now.

I hope he'll react and finally succeeds for afreeca.
Dear INno and all the former STX boys.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-27 11:30:31
January 27 2016 11:30 GMT
#144
On January 27 2016 20:03 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 19:58 Musicus wrote:
Well this is unexpected, they can't really use the KT teaser now. I guess Afreeca is paying Life just as much or more than KT did.

I think they pay him less but he has more freedom. And maybe he gets to stream to compensate for less salary.


Hm I would fine it weird if Life got less money now, Afreeca certainly seems to have the money to pay him big. I guess KT also got a quite a bit, I don't see them accepting otherwise. Sure Leenock does quite well in Proleage, but when it comes to Starpower and individual leages they can't compare. Life is worth a loooot more.

Life doesn't strike me as a streamer too.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
January 27 2016 11:31 GMT
#145
So if a team feels too weak, they can just ask for star players from a stronger team? Why didn't anyone think of that before?! Prime could have asked for Innovation, Rogue and Zest and be completely golden!
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
January 27 2016 11:39 GMT
#146
On January 27 2016 20:31 opisska wrote:
So if a team feels too weak, they can just ask for star players from a stronger team? Why didn't anyone think of that before?! Prime could have asked for Innovation, Rogue and Zest and be completely golden!

It helps to have more than $20 to your name
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
January 27 2016 11:40 GMT
#147
On January 27 2016 20:31 opisska wrote:
So if a team feels too weak, they can just ask for star players from a stronger team? Why didn't anyone think of that before?! Prime could have asked for Innovation, Rogue and Zest and be completely golden!


Pretty sure you need a lot of money to compensate the team for their player and pay those aces a hefty salary. I don't think selling ByuN's computer was enough for that.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 27 2016 11:44 GMT
#148
On January 27 2016 18:16 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 17:00 OtherWorld wrote:
Lol, so a big team gives away a big player to a lower team because of the show?
What is this, a competitive game or NASCAR?


Correct me if I'm wrong, but most widely watched sports have some rules regarding which teams can pick up which players, eg. worst-performing teams get first pick, specifically to prevent the sort of domination that we've seen from SKT over the years.

KeSPA is actually quite unique in that - as far as we know, anyway - player acquisition has always essentially been a free for all.

Let's grant for the moment that Life was given to Afreeca out of charity (a theory I don't agree with, because Life is pretty shoddy in PL), are you against that sort of interference on principle or do you just not like how arbitrarily it was applied in this one instance (eg not a player from SKT, but KT; only once instead of a regular ruling)?

Afaik that's mostly true in NA sports, because there show > competition ; here in Europe you don't see that kind of thing.
I dislike it because trying to "avoid domination" artificially is something that's viewer-focused, and as all superficial things it's something that's not good for the health of the sport. What the hell is the narrative interest of watching PL if teams start to give ace players to each other out of charity? What's the interest of a sport if everyone has the same chance to win? What's the point if there are no favorites and underdogs? Should Djokovic play with a ballast on his racket when he's playing players worse than him?
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
January 27 2016 11:44 GMT
#149
Well I can't read Korean, but the wording of the translation suggests that this was just a trade of player for player, no money involved. Even more it suggests that it was done not out of mutual benefit, but because ST needed it and KT either felt charitable enough to do it or was forced to comply. Surely, this is just a feeling from an unofficial translation, but it does not really seem as a competitive move, but has more of a wrestling vibe to it.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-27 11:51:20
January 27 2016 11:46 GMT
#150
On January 27 2016 20:40 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 20:31 opisska wrote:
So if a team feels too weak, they can just ask for star players from a stronger team? Why didn't anyone think of that before?! Prime could have asked for Innovation, Rogue and Zest and be completely golden!


Pretty sure you need a lot of money to compensate the team for their player and pay those aces a hefty salary. I don't think selling ByuN's computer was enough for that.

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuurn! #MusicusOnFire

As a side note, we don't know what's going on in the background that we're not being told about. This is the 2nd player trade between KT and that team this off-season already.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
January 27 2016 11:51 GMT
#151
On January 27 2016 20:13 Musicus wrote:
I haven't seen this posted yet btw? I don't think this thread can exist without it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GibiNy4d4gc


Admit it,

You saw this on reddit and posted here didn't you?
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-27 12:05:43
January 27 2016 11:58 GMT
#152
On January 27 2016 20:51 WrathSCII wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 20:13 Musicus wrote:
I haven't seen this posted yet btw? I don't think this thread can exist without it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GibiNy4d4gc


Admit it,

You saw this on reddit and posted here didn't you?


Haha, I should've known it was posted there already, but I actually didn't check that reddit thread.

I saw that GTR is at SPOTV Games now and will be casting SSL/Proleague and have been wondering why it's not on TL yet. Big news and he is one of us! I thought about posting it, but somebody that knows him better should do it, I don't know much about him.


Edit: lol it was even The_Red_Viper who posted it on Reddit . And I like this idea:

Someone really needs to edit that video and throw Life's head on Simba...
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
atrox_
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1711 Posts
January 27 2016 12:04 GMT
#153
That doesn't seem like a good trade for KT at all
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-27 12:10:51
January 27 2016 12:09 GMT
#154
On January 27 2016 21:04 atrox_ wrote:
That doesn't seem like a good trade for KT at all

In terms of star power, no. For Proleague Leenock is probably a better contributor than Life tbh. If he's on form.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
January 27 2016 12:16 GMT
#155
On January 27 2016 20:58 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 20:51 WrathSCII wrote:
On January 27 2016 20:13 Musicus wrote:
I haven't seen this posted yet btw? I don't think this thread can exist without it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GibiNy4d4gc


Admit it,

You saw this on reddit and posted here didn't you?


Haha, I should've known it was posted there already, but I actually didn't check that reddit thread.

I saw that GTR is at SPOTV Games now and will be casting SSL/Proleague and have been wondering why it's not on TL yet. Big news and he is one of us! I thought about posting it, but somebody that knows him better should do it, I don't know much about him.


Edit: lol it was even The_Red_Viper who posted it on Reddit . And I like this idea:

Show nested quote +
Someone really needs to edit that video and throw Life's head on Simba...

I mean i only posted it for reference, i have no idea if kids these days know their stuff :D (let's be real lion king best animated movie ever, at least from the west)
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Apoteosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile820 Posts
January 27 2016 12:22 GMT
#156
Finally I can root for Life without mixed feelings.

Welcome back to Startale!
Life won like 200k and didn't hire a proper criminal lawyer.
shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
January 27 2016 12:33 GMT
#157
Someone got screwed pretty hard.
I thought haggling was important in korea wtf
RIP MKP
DMXD
Profile Joined February 2008
United States4064 Posts
January 27 2016 12:57 GMT
#158
a good trade I say. A re-branded team in need of a star power and KT needing a good zerg that can preform well in team leagues.
evolsiefil
Profile Joined October 2015
143 Posts
January 27 2016 12:59 GMT
#159
So does this mean there is a Chance we will See lifu senpai stream on afreeca??? ♡
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 27 2016 13:12 GMT
#160
On January 27 2016 20:46 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 20:40 Musicus wrote:
On January 27 2016 20:31 opisska wrote:
So if a team feels too weak, they can just ask for star players from a stronger team? Why didn't anyone think of that before?! Prime could have asked for Innovation, Rogue and Zest and be completely golden!


Pretty sure you need a lot of money to compensate the team for their player and pay those aces a hefty salary. I don't think selling ByuN's computer was enough for that.

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuurn! #MusicusOnFire

As a side note, we don't know what's going on in the background that we're not being told about. This is the 2nd player trade between KT and that team this off-season already.

Inb4 KT and Afreeca merge into one team after Round 1
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