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m4ini
4215 Posts
Surely, video streaming is now in a little bit of funky position - everyone hates Flash and Flash definitely needs to be phased out, but HTML5 streaming is not very mature and stable yet. But the solution is to offer both to your best abilities, not to push non-standard 3rd party solution. Liveplayer/VLC takes care of twitch streams, that's all i need. I certainly don't need any other browser plugins other than adblock. | ||
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Nomzter
Sweden2802 Posts
On January 26 2016 07:28 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: My biggest fear right now is that this sudden PR move is to cushion/prepare us for the announcement that Proleague will also be on Dingit If thats the case then just kill me now holy shit | ||
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Hider
Denmark9448 Posts
On January 26 2016 03:45 madals wrote: When was the last time you left a review because something just worked? On the main DingIt Chrome extension, there are 806 reviews from 130k users. A lot of the reviews are commenting on the things that are nothing to do with the extension, such as the adblock prevention. Previously you said you had millions of users? Can you make up your mind? | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On January 26 2016 07:43 TheWinks wrote: I'm not taking DingIt at face value here. They haven't been honest and straight forward in the past and madals isn't doing it now. We are missing some big part of the story in their back door deal that got SSL exclusively on dingit. There's a lot going on with this, but, in the end, it comes down to a Trust issue: the product DingIt is having users install comes from a development group (which was bought out) that treated it's end-users terribly. "Octo-shit" was aptly named. Not only did it run badly (straight up), it messed up your connection via unadjustable Upload bandwidth and was damn hard to remove from your system. It wasn't directly Malware, but it was Crapware at its finest. That isn't something you want associated with your company, if you can avoid it. That's the first major issue. The second follows directly from that issue. The obvious reason for the Plug-in or Extension is to bypass Ad-blocking. It would really surprise me if a plugin was truly necessary to access & interpret the data feed. It's not like UDP connections aren't approaching being around for 40 years here soon. (Back-side tracking is less of a worry. Considering what they posted on their website, they would be liable for civil & criminal penalties if there was beyond what they claim.) Though if it is absolutely necessary, it would explain much of the reason their cost-structure is so low. Lastly, and this goes for all companies on the Internet, users don't normally hate Ads. We don't. We hate crappy Flash instances, annoying pop-ups, massive distractions, illegal malware and companies that can't bother to play by the "rules" a user sets for their own computer. Most of us run Ad-block practically everywhere because after nearly getting your ears blown out by random Ads, you just don't want to take the risk. We appreciate you want to monetize the traffic & that's the point of being on the Internet for a business. But making us hate having to deal with your company is also really stupid. You don't seem like a bad guy, Madals, but you're in a tough position here. | ||
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madals
United Kingdom624 Posts
On January 26 2016 08:23 Hider wrote: Previously you said you had millions of users? Can you make up your mind? The vast majority of our users still use the .exe globally. There is also the Octoshape own Chrome Extension. Out last public release of viewer numbers was stats from November; 13M monthly uniques globally. That number is still growing rapidly. http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/dingit-wants-in-on-the-streaming-sector-s-riches/0160696 | ||
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Growiel
Korea (South)363 Posts
People decided that hating on Dingit is the cool new thing on the block, but at the same they also cry that the Korean scene is dying out while refusing to support it because of a small plugin... That's beautiful. As for all the "we don't want ads so f you", that's what subscriptions are for, removing ads. People are just salty because they got used to bypass Twitch's business model (which is the same) and as such feel entitled to free HD, ads free, plugin-free streams. A league cost money, all of you ad-block warriors were obviously not buying subscription and thus not making enough money for SSL, which is why they left Twitch for Dingit. I'm quite certain Proleague will also be on Dingit for the same reasons. TL;DR: Support the scene, the plugin has been deemed harmless by multiple sources (including TL's RICH), install it in a VM if you are paranoid but please, support the dying scene. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
As for all the "we don't want ads so f you", that's what subscriptions are for, removing ads. People are just salty because they got used to bypass Twitch's business model (which is the same) and as such feel entitled to free HD, ads free, plugin-free streams. So subscribing takes away the need for that plugin? Because according to your logic, it certainly should. It doesn't. You also forgot to mention that while R1ch said "it's quite safe", he also said that there's mal-ads coming through. I don't mind supporting SC2, but if i throw my money at something, the least i'd expect is to be hassled with dumb plugins that don't really appear to do what they're supposed to anyway. | ||
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Growiel
Korea (South)363 Posts
On January 26 2016 09:13 m4ini wrote: So subscribing takes away the need for that plugin? Because according to your logic, it certainly should. It doesn't. You also forgot to mention that while R1ch said "it's quite safe", he also said that there's mal-ads coming through. I don't mind supporting SC2, but if i throw my money at something, the least i'd expect is to be hassled with dumb plugins that don't really appear to do what they're supposed to anyway. At the things nothing anybody says will change anyone's mind anyways. You all expect SPOTTV to go back to Twitch if you whine enough. It's like non of you ever signed a contract. They ain't coming back. I just hope you guys are not all missing on what may very well be the last sc2 SSL if the support remains that low. | ||
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TheWinks
United States572 Posts
On January 26 2016 09:28 Growiel wrote: I just hope you guys are not all missing on what may very well be the last sc2 SSL if the support remains that low. As long as the vods are posted to youtube, everyone that wants to watch it will watch them. However, insisting that the community should support the poor decisions of companies and tournaments for the sake of "saving ESPORTS" is dumb. | ||
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fronkschnonk
Germany622 Posts
On January 26 2016 09:28 Growiel wrote: At the things nothing anybody says will change anyone's mind anyways. You all expect SPOTTV to go back to Twitch if you whine enough. It's like non of you ever signed a contract. They ain't coming back. I just hope you guys are not all missing on what may very well be the last sc2 SSL if the support remains that low. There are very many Viewers who are deactivating Adblock for content they love. Probably most of the people active in this forum are doing that for SC2 on twitch. So stop insulting the supporters of the scene we all love. Also it would be quite dumb of S2SL to blame viewers for not supporting them via an unknown plugin without informing the community about this step beforehand. And even if Dingit isn't shady at all and works fine and provides more profit it will still lower the viewernumbers because only passionate fans will read this thread while so called casuals won't ever notice this issue at all. lower viewernumbers will result into less reception which will result into less interest which is neither good for S2SL, nor for the SC2-scene as a whole. | ||
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wollhandkrabbe
Germany97 Posts
On January 26 2016 09:28 Growiel wrote: At the things nothing anybody says will change anyone's mind anyways. Now that's a bleak outlook. I just formed an opinion about Dingit partly based on the facts I found in this thread. I think Dingit will quickly go away one way or another. They will have burnt through their venture capital soon enough, and their business model is based on a stupid premise - proprietary video plugins in 2016 - that they knew would be a very tough sell. The heads behind Dingit are probably just going for a high risk high reward approach to get into a quasi-monopolized market quickly. Trying to get into SC2 instead of focusing on bigger, more lucrative games looks very much like a last ditch effort, so I wouldn't be surprised if the upper management was already planning their exit. And the most faithful fighters for the cause like Madals will in the end be the ones left with months of unpaid wages. | ||
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Growiel
Korea (South)363 Posts
On January 26 2016 10:03 wollhandkrabbe wrote: Now that's a bleak outlook. I just formed an opinion about Dingit partly based on the facts I found in this thread. I think Dingit will quickly go away one way or another. They will have burnt through their venture capital soon enough, and their business model is based on a stupid premise - proprietary video plugins in 2016 - that they knew would be a very tough sell. The heads behind Dingit are probably just going for a high risk high reward approach to get into a quasi-monopolized market quickly. Trying to get into SC2 instead of focusing on bigger, more lucrative games looks very much like a last ditch effort, so I wouldn't be surprised if the upper management was already planning their exit. And the most faithful fighters for the cause like Madals will in the end be the ones left with months of unpaid wages. While this could be true, it's an even bleaker outlook than mine. | ||
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ETisME
12888 Posts
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ElMeanYo
United States1032 Posts
On January 26 2016 01:59 madals wrote: Preventing Adblock As you may be aware, creating content and then providing a stream costs quite a lot of money.. We have developed an adblock prevention system so that we can generate enough money to pay our content creators / players and casters a decent wage and continue to invest in new broadcasts. If users prefer not to have adverts, there is the option to subscribe either to the channel or site wide to remove ads. Adam “Madals” Simmons - Content Director, DingIt TV I don't buy this tired excuse to get around AdBlock. I personally will NEVER click on an ad even if it was viewable to me, so why can't I block them? You will never get any click through from me on an ad, ever. Not to mention ads are at the least annoying and at the worst dangerous. If I see an ad that is in the least bit annoying, I will go out of my way NOT to buy their products. And I find 99% of ads annoying, so any advertising I see is having the exact OPPOSITE effect, and I bet I'm not alone on this. | ||
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rotta
5653 Posts
On January 26 2016 09:13 m4ini wrote: he also said that there's mal-ads coming through More like mad-als. ...sorry. | ||
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Mangooze
Netherlands301 Posts
If Proleague is going to use it as well... I guess I'll have a lot of time to spend on others things in 2016. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On January 26 2016 09:28 Growiel wrote: At the things nothing anybody says will change anyone's mind anyways. You all expect SPOTTV to go back to Twitch if you whine enough. It's like non of you ever signed a contract. They ain't coming back. I just hope you guys are not all missing on what may very well be the last sc2 SSL if the support remains that low. Low viewership won't jeopardise anything, SPOTTV sold broadcast rights to DingIt knowing foreign viewership would plummet. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On January 26 2016 08:10 m4ini wrote: Liveplayer/VLC takes care of twitch streams, that's all i need. I certainly don't need any other browser plugins other than adblock. No script has its place! | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
I would be OK if they give HD+ to people with plugin and I would receive 360p or 480p(I watch on low anyway - again, at work  ) The are not doing it, I don't care about their PR, I am not watching it. Maybe I'll watch some VODs, but since I am lurking TL at work I will know the results anyway and there's no point at watching then.SPOTV choice | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
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