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On January 26 2016 02:46 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2016 02:23 madals wrote:On January 26 2016 02:19 Ansibled wrote:On January 26 2016 02:06 showstealer1829 wrote:
So it's remaining exclusively on Dingit then?
Great, guess I only have GSL till Proleague starts then You can watch the VoDs on Youtube. What do you mean by 'true 1080p, 60 fps quality for less bitrate'? Isn't it bitrate that decides the quality of the stream, I'm not sure why this is something I'd want. If I compare 1080p streams on Twitch, the one with higher bitrate looks better. Bitrate is only one factor that decides the quality of a stream. Every time the stream is transcoded or moved there is a quality loss, not to mention if data isn't received. We also use UDP rather than TCP which shaves off a bit more data required for the stream. What we mean by true 1080, 60 is that the stream is stable at that quality. There is far less fluctuation in quality and frame rate in our tech compared to traditional streaming tech. Okay, so less bitrate = less quality. So you say "we have a stable quality because we have a fewer bitrate, thus a worse quality than others"?
As I said, bitrate is only one factor that affects quality. By improving other steps involved in distributing a stream, we can achieve the same quality while using a lower bitrate.
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On January 26 2016 02:47 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2016 02:39 boxerfred wrote:
can you do a tl;dr
also why would I install a plugin if I could just watch twitch without a plugin? can you tell me? If you want to watch SSL live you can't, it's exclusively on Dingit
yeh, sorry. Why is a plugin necessary?
On January 26 2016 02:47 IceBerrY wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2016 02:39 boxerfred wrote:
can you do a tl;dr
also why would I install a plugin if I could just watch twitch without a plugin? can you tell me? because twitch isn´t disabling adblock. If it would be just another streaming platform, i would be okay with that, but installing some plugin is just not my cup of tea nowadays. I can still watch the korean stream on youtube i hope, otherwise well to bad, more free time.
who cares for adblock? should be known to everyone that people do not want to watch advertisements. So they pay (at least I do)
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On January 26 2016 02:49 madals wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2016 02:46 boxerfred wrote:On January 26 2016 02:23 madals wrote:On January 26 2016 02:19 Ansibled wrote:On January 26 2016 02:06 showstealer1829 wrote:
So it's remaining exclusively on Dingit then?
Great, guess I only have GSL till Proleague starts then You can watch the VoDs on Youtube. What do you mean by 'true 1080p, 60 fps quality for less bitrate'? Isn't it bitrate that decides the quality of the stream, I'm not sure why this is something I'd want. If I compare 1080p streams on Twitch, the one with higher bitrate looks better. Bitrate is only one factor that decides the quality of a stream. Every time the stream is transcoded or moved there is a quality loss, not to mention if data isn't received. We also use UDP rather than TCP which shaves off a bit more data required for the stream. What we mean by true 1080, 60 is that the stream is stable at that quality. There is far less fluctuation in quality and frame rate in our tech compared to traditional streaming tech. Okay, so less bitrate = less quality. So you say "we have a stable quality because we have a fewer bitrate, thus a worse quality than others"? As I said, bitrate is only one factor that affects quality. By improving other steps involved in distributing a stream, we can achieve the same quality while using a lower bitrate.
Ah cool! Part of the plugin then? Great thing you're answering those questions, I think I'll give dingit a shot before judging.
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i still prefer not installing a plugin
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On January 26 2016 02:46 madals wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2016 02:30 Ctone23 wrote:On January 26 2016 02:17 Wintex wrote:Additionally, DingIt is a sustainable platform that is already in profit and as a result we are able to fuel more investment in content. why and how otherwise ok. Indeed. How? Madals are you saying that the advertising revenue is making DingIT cash flow positive? http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/streaming-service-dingit-raises-1-5m-in-funding/0148728It's widely reported that DingIT received 1.5 MM in funding last year, so I'm wondering if that funding is still covering basic business items such as G&A? I don't know the viewership numbers across all DingIT streams but it seems like a stretch to say Ad revenue is covering all of your expenses, but I do enjoy being proved wrong. DingIt is already cash flow positive. We actually did a follow up with mcvuk: http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/dingit-wants-in-on-the-streaming-sector-s-riches/0160696
Interesting. Still no numbers or anything to qualify that, I guess it's DingIT numbers being represented. Will be interested to see how 2016 ends up.
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On January 26 2016 02:39 boxerfred wrote:
also why would I install a plugin if I could just watch twitch without a plugin? can you tell me?
Because UDP!!! The bitrates!!! I wish every website I visited gave me a different plugin to use UDP.
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I don't really have a problem with DingIt or the plugin - although last Thursday the quality on High for the Starleague stream was pretty awful - but I wonder why such a post wasn't made in advance.
And also I'd like to know why the English Azubu stream was removed without prior notice and not brought back last week as promised.
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So the octoshape infiniteHD .exe was really bad since it was running in the background even when you didn't watch a stream and closed your browser. Obviously I uninstalled that, but I'm willing to give the chrome extension a chance, if R1ch gives this post his stamp of approval. Just for the fact that it seems like DingIt really wants to support sc2.
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On January 26 2016 03:23 Elentos wrote:
I don't really have a problem with DingIt or the plugin - although last Thursday the quality on High for the Starleague stream was pretty awful - but I wonder why such a post wasn't made in advance.
From what I've gleaned because he won't address it directly, the multiple qualities are actually being done on the streaming computer, meaning the quality of different qualities is dependent on the streaming computer being able to handle the transcoding of multiple streams and have the bandwidth to upload them all simultaneously.
This means that generally twitch is going to be better at serving lower bitrate streams than dingit I think.
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On January 26 2016 03:26 Musicus wrote:
So the octoshape infiniteHD .exe was really bad since it was running in the background even when you didn't watch a stream and closed your browser. Obviously I uninstalled that, but I'm willing to give the chrome extension a chance, if R1ch gives this post his stamp of approval. Just for the fact that it seems like DingIt really wants to support sc2.
No one except people with access to the source code can do that.
Maybe its safe if you use no social media with a browser who fakes his fingerprint and blocks all cookies and scripts. Also registering under a fake name with a throw away email, while not using any dingit links and never react to an ad. Also not being part in googles adsense thing helps i guess.
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On January 26 2016 03:37 gingerfluffmuff wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2016 03:26 Musicus wrote:
So the octoshape infiniteHD .exe was really bad since it was running in the background even when you didn't watch a stream and closed your browser. Obviously I uninstalled that, but I'm willing to give the chrome extension a chance, if R1ch gives this post his stamp of approval. Just for the fact that it seems like DingIt really wants to support sc2. No one except people with access to the source code can do that. Maybe its safe if you use no social media with a browser who fakes his fingerprint and blocks all cookies and scripts. Also registering under a fake name with a throw away email, while not using any dingit links and never react to an ad. Also not being part in googles adsense thing helps i guess.
Well reading the reviews on the chrome extension definitely gives me a bad feeling about installing it :/. And the measures you listed are way too much trouble, I'd rather just watch the Korean stream then.
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Well reading the reviews on the chrome extension definitely gives me a bad feeling about installing it :/
When was the last time you left a review because something just worked? On the main DingIt Chrome extension, there are 806 reviews from 130k users. A lot of the reviews are commenting on the things that are nothing to do with the extension, such as the adblock prevention.
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On January 26 2016 03:45 madals wrote:Show nested quote +Well reading the reviews on the chrome extension definitely gives me a bad feeling about installing it :/ When was the last time you left a review because something just worked? On the main DingIt Chrome extension, there are 806 reviews from 130k users. A lot of the reviews are commenting on the things that are nothing to do with the extension, such as the adblock prevention.
But why are there tons of other extensions with 4 or 5 star reviews on the chrome store?
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On January 26 2016 03:41 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2016 03:37 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On January 26 2016 03:26 Musicus wrote:
So the octoshape infiniteHD .exe was really bad since it was running in the background even when you didn't watch a stream and closed your browser. Obviously I uninstalled that, but I'm willing to give the chrome extension a chance, if R1ch gives this post his stamp of approval. Just for the fact that it seems like DingIt really wants to support sc2. No one except people with access to the source code can do that. Maybe its safe if you use no social media with a browser who fakes his fingerprint and blocks all cookies and scripts. Also registering under a fake name with a throw away email, while not using any dingit links and never react to an ad. Also not being part in googles adsense thing helps i guess. Well reading the reviews on the chrome extension definitely gives me a bad feeling about installing it :/. And the measures you listed are way too much trouble, I'd rather just watch the Korean stream then.
Yeah, i am with you. In this day and age you can watch almost anything with livestreamer and vlc, no need for even flash.
e: Ads should be integrated into the stream. i see no other way in this day and age when you use the pc for other serious things like onlinebanking and stuff
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On January 26 2016 03:45 madals wrote:Show nested quote +Well reading the reviews on the chrome extension definitely gives me a bad feeling about installing it :/ When was the last time you left a review because something just worked
I do it all the time.
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Um... I'm sorry but what we want to hear is not why the Plugin is necessary but when it will be removed.
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I am puzzled by the negativity being shown here. I've not had a single problem watching dingit streams (something I can't say for twitch streams) and I really appreciated watching the showmatches they funded last year. If they are increasing their commitment to sc2 they deserve a huge round of applause, not criticism from people who haven't even tried their service.
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On January 26 2016 04:00 feanaro wrote:
I am puzzled by the negativity being shown here. I've not had a single problem watching dingit streams (something I can't say for twitch streams) and I really appreciated watching the showmatches they funded last year. If they are increasing their commitment to sc2 they deserve a huge round of applause, not criticism from people who haven't even tried their service.
I appreciate their effort, but i wont use a black box. 2016 called, internet and google is hostile enough (privacy wise).
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The only thing i don't like is how the website is just full of vods. You have links that directs you to vods but it seems like you just wanna put them everywhere for the sake of forcing people to watch the vods. if there is no live feed then leave it blank. Thats just my opinion. Whenever I i look at the LIVE list, theres a few, which is fine cause i get too choose. However theres always a long list of Vods under the section, its very sloppy in my opinion.
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"Plugin/Chrome Extension" = NO NO NO.
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