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The Greatest Foreigners of All Time Part 3 - Page 4

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Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
January 08 2016 21:39 GMT
#61
I am a huge believer in Snute, and I have been since 2014. But greatness requires an ability to deliver under pressure, and Snute has never won a major LAN outside of the least-pressured environment in esports, Krefeld. Huk won in Krefeld, but he also won at MLG and Dreamhack. The difference is significant in my eyes.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 08 2016 21:49 GMT
#62
On January 09 2016 03:44 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 03:23 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Okay, not to ride on this hate train too hard, but how can this:

+ Show Spoiler +
2nd WCS EU 2012
Top 8 WCS EU S2 2013
Top 8 WCS EU S3 2013
Top 4 WCS EU S1 2014
Top 8 WCS EU S2 2014
Top 4 IEM Cologne 2012
Top 8 DH Valencia 2012
Top 4 IEM Singapore 2012
Top 8 ASUS Northcon 2013
Top 8 DH Valencia 2014
2nd Fragbite Masters Spring
1st Vasacast Invitational


be #10 and this

+ Show Spoiler +
Top 4 WCS NA S2 2013
Top 8 WCS NA S3 2013
Top 8 Iron Squid 2
Top 4 HSC IX
4th MLG Anaheim 2014
6th Red Bull Washington
3rd Red Bull NY
Top 8 IEM Singapore 2013
2nd ASUS Northcon
1st RB BG NA


be #5, when they're so comparable and a argument can definitely be made that the results of Vortix were overall better. More WCS results (in the harder region) with fairly similar premier and major results. Maybe you can say some of Vortix's results were during BL/Infestor but that's all I can think of.


I used this and stuck to it. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/482944-the-process-of-creating-the-top-15-greatest-list


Bth that's just so dense with so many factors that it doesn't explain to me the exact reasoning for the decision.

I mean, I will take having 2 Canadians in the top 5, that's pretty neat, but it doesn't feel totally deserved to me.
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Faefae
Profile Joined June 2014
2203 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-08 22:07:46
January 08 2016 22:00 GMT
#63
" Even now, when he says that it would take him just two weeks to get back to the top if he was serious, there is a small part of me that thinks he could do it." Wasnt it naniwa's words ? It's under the stephano paragraph
Anyway thanks that was a good read. I remember when stephano lost to Titan in an online cup, it was his first loss against protoss in like 30 games, that was the peak period of stephano i think
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Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
January 08 2016 22:06 GMT
#64
For my money, Stephano was mentally the strongest foreigner there has ever been and top five strongest mental players that SC2 has seen (the others are Mvp, Life, Taeja and sOs).


?????????

this guy was saying he is going to retire like every two weeks.

well anyway great write-up was fun reading

SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
ATiBright
Profile Joined August 2011
59 Posts
January 08 2016 22:06 GMT
#65
Just curious I don't disagree with the rankings or anything, but under the comparison between Naniwa and Stephano you put no one notable for Naniwa's MLG Dallas victory. But right undernearth it for 2 other 2011 tournaments you listed Ret as someone notable that Naniwa beat. I can't honestly think of anyone other than crazy Ret fans who could possibly consider 2011 Ret as a stronger player compared to Kiwikaki during that time period 2010-2011.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12904 Posts
January 08 2016 22:07 GMT
#66
On January 09 2016 07:06 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
For my money, Stephano was mentally the strongest foreigner there has ever been and top five strongest mental players that SC2 has seen (the others are Mvp, Life, Taeja and sOs).


?????????

this guy was saying he is going to retire like every two weeks.

well anyway great write-up was fun reading


Liquid bias ;p.
Although wanting to play late game TvP back then and being successful at it requires some mad mental skills I can tell you.
WriterMaru
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 08 2016 22:18 GMT
#67
Thanks stuchiu. Not enough controversy for my tastes but appreciate the articles
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HuK
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1591 Posts
January 08 2016 23:41 GMT
#68
Glad to see most people agree that I should be 3rd over Snute.
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Ingebrigtsen
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Norway343 Posts
January 08 2016 23:44 GMT
#69
On January 09 2016 08:41 HuK wrote:
Glad to see most people agree that I should be 3rd over Snute.


I don't think anyone really thinks that
"These animals should be rewarded for not being people... I hate people"
evaunit01
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States512 Posts
January 08 2016 23:59 GMT
#70
Good list!
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Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
January 09 2016 00:00 GMT
#71
On January 09 2016 08:41 HuK wrote:
Glad to see most people agree that I should be 3rd over Snute.

nah man be happy with the fourth place you got, that's already a bit too much
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
January 09 2016 00:06 GMT
#72
On January 09 2016 08:44 Ingebrigtsen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 08:41 HuK wrote:
Glad to see most people agree that I should be 3rd over Snute.


I don't think anyone really thinks that

Come on, this is unneccesary. You can rate Snute over Huk, but claiming for that to be universal just to annoy the guy?
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
January 09 2016 00:27 GMT
#73
On January 09 2016 08:44 Ingebrigtsen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 08:41 HuK wrote:
Glad to see most people agree that I should be 3rd over Snute.


I don't think anyone really thinks that


I think that, hell there were people arguing him being #2
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
January 09 2016 00:33 GMT
#74
I guess liquid bias left huk because he is 3 at worst lmao
can i get my estro logo back pls
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-09 00:48:12
January 09 2016 00:41 GMT
#75
I'm just gonna vouch for Scarlett's Top 5 spot as a Scarlett fan boy

2012 WCS: wins WCS Canada, then WCS NA out of nowhere; makes to round of 16 only to lose to eventual winner PartinG
2012 RSL 2 2nd: beats HerO, slivko, feast, nerchio, vortix

Now look at the Koreans she beat:
Iron Squid 2 Top 8: beats Marineking, Brown, Symbol
2013 RSL 5 3rd: beats Polt, Symbol, close loss to Life 2-3!
2013 WCS NA S2 Top 4: beats HerO, Revival, aLive, and barely lost to Jaedong 2-3 to a 6 POOL!
2013 WCS S2 Final Top 8: beats MMA and Maru who just won the OSL and again barely lost to Bomber 2-3 in an EPIC 5 GAMES OF ZVT!
2013 WCS NA S2 9-12th: beats Crank, Nestea

2013 Red Bull NYC 3rd: beats Golden and BOMBER IN THE MOST EPIC ZVT in group stage, then 2 clever cheese victory against sOs but lost next the 3 in standard games but still beat MC 2-0 in the 3rd place match.
2013 IEM Singapore Top 8: beats Dream AGAIN IN THE MOST EPIC ZVT BO3 and beats Bomber again!
2013 ASUS Northcon 2nd: beats jjakji, Stardust, and 3-0s Life!
Red Bull, IEM, and Northcon all happend in a span of two weeks!

2014 HSC IX Top 4: beats Taeja, Patience, Stork, MMA
2014 Red Bull NA 1st: beats Violet, AND POLT IN 3 CONSECUTIVE BO3 WINNING 6-1!
2014 MLG Anaheim 4th: BEST ZVZ PLAYER beats Ragnarok and HyuN in group stage, losers bracket beats Life! BEAT DRG WITH AN INSANE RACE SWITCH AND HITMAN 7 GATE in game 2 and then winning game 3! Beats ragnarok again and close loss to Trap 1-2!
Again HSC, Red Bull, MLG happened in a span of two weeks!

2014 WCS NA S3 Top 8: beats Seed and violet
2014 Red Bull DC 5-6th: beats PartinG 2-0 with A CRAZY PROXY HATCH AND NYDUS SWARMHOST! Very close loss to Cure and Polt both 1-2.

This is not to mention her team league victories in IPL, GSTL, and ATC!
very illegal and very uncool
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-09 00:59:15
January 09 2016 00:43 GMT
#76
On January 09 2016 09:41 argonautdice wrote:
I'm just gonna vouch for Scarlett's Top 5 spot as a Scarlett fan boy

2012 WCS: wins WCS Canada, then WCS NA out of nowhere; makes to round of 16 only to lose to eventual winner PartinG
2012 RSL 2 2nd: beats HerO, slivko, feast, nerchio, vortix

Now look at the Koreans she beat:
Iron Squid 2 Top 8: beats Marineking, Brown, Symbol
2013 RSL 5 3rd: beats Polt, Symbol, close loss to Life 2-3!
2013 WCS NA S2 Top 4: beats HerO, Revival, aLive, and barely lost to Jaedong 2-3 to a 6 POOL!
2013 WCS S2 Final Top 8: beats MMA and Maru who just won the OSL and again barely lost to Bomber 2-3 in an EPIC 5 GAMES OF ZVT!
2013 WCS NA S2 9-12th: beats Crank, Nestea

2013 Red Bull NYC 3rd: beats Golden and BOMBER IN THE MOST EPIC ZVT in group stage, then 2 clever cheese victory against sOs but lost next the 3 in standard games but still beat MC 2-0 in the 3rd place match.
2013 IEM Singapore Top 8: beats Dream AGAIN IN THE MOST EPIC ZVT BO3 and beats Bomber again!
2013 ASUS Northcon 2nd: beats jjakji, Stardust, and 3-0s Life!
Red Bull, IEM, and Northcon all happend in a span of two weeks!

2014 HSC IX Top 4: beats Taeja, Patience, Stork, MMA
2014 Red Bull NA 1st: beats Violet, AND POLT IN 3 CONSECUTIVE BO3 WINNING 6-1!
2014 MLG Anaheim: BEST ZVZ PLAYER beats Ragnarok and HyuN in group stage, losers bracket beats Life! BEAT DRG WITH AN INSANE RACE SWITCH AND HITMAN 7 GATE in game 2 and then winning game 3! Beats ragnarok again and close loss to Trap 1-2!
Again HSC, Red Bull, MLG happened in a span of two weeks!

2014 WCS NA S3: beats Seed and violet
2014 Red Bull DC 5-6th: beats PartinG 2-0 with A CRAZY PROXY HATCH AND NYDUS SWARMHOST! Very close loss to Cure and Polt both 1-2.

This is not to mention her team league victories in IPL, GSTL, and ATC!


If you haven't seen the games I capitalized GO SEE THEM!

So it's just not about the title finishes, it's about the games and the competition!

Also I'd like to make a counterpoint about Scarlett's relative shyness compared to HuK, which may be the case in real life, but she has just as much if not more bravado and showmanship in game!

Oops meant to press edit instead of quote sorry got too excited
very illegal and very uncool
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
January 09 2016 00:43 GMT
#77
On January 09 2016 03:02 OtherWorld wrote:
Snute < NaNiwa?
Please

That's just saltyness or troll, can't believe you if you're serious. Would be a discredit for you to downgrade Naniwa because you dislike him personally
GodZo
Profile Joined November 2011
Italy224 Posts
January 09 2016 00:52 GMT
#78
Cool article, I agree Huk should be top 3 and top 3 control too, of course one of my favourite players in SC2! Maybe Snute was more consistent, while Huk had better results in korean scene, so it's pretty even, but who cares, it's just an article!

Stephano deserves the 1st, Naniwa the 2nd, they are the biggest. Also I would like to see Jinro a little bit more ranked, at his time he was almost unstoppable, and Idra of course, for his awesome game mechanics, he had a great time, but Huk owned him.

Good Job.
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Baggins
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada86 Posts
January 09 2016 01:35 GMT
#79
Yeah add me to the Huk as third club. The results in Korea were a big thing.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12904 Posts
January 09 2016 01:38 GMT
#80
On January 09 2016 09:43 Muffloe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 03:02 OtherWorld wrote:
Snute < NaNiwa?
Please

That's just saltyness or troll, can't believe you if you're serious. Would be a discredit for you to downgrade Naniwa because you dislike him personally

Looks like I was right about Stephano tho :o.

Also reading your post about Scarlett makes me very sad for terrans argonautdice :/.
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