EPTThe Greatest Foreigners of All Time Part 3 - Page 2
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Spleydi
Switzerland20 Posts
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ploguidice
United States233 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + 2nd WCS EU 2012 Top 8 WCS EU S2 2013 Top 8 WCS EU S3 2013 Top 4 WCS EU S1 2014 Top 8 WCS EU S2 2014 Top 4 IEM Cologne 2012 Top 8 DH Valencia 2012 Top 4 IEM Singapore 2012 Top 8 ASUS Northcon 2013 Top 8 DH Valencia 2014 2nd Fragbite Masters Spring 1st Vasacast Invitational be #10 and this + Show Spoiler + Top 4 WCS NA S2 2013 Top 8 WCS NA S3 2013 Top 8 Iron Squid 2 Top 4 HSC IX 4th MLG Anaheim 2014 6th Red Bull Washington 3rd Red Bull NY Top 8 IEM Singapore 2013 2nd ASUS Northcon 1st RB BG NA be #5, when they're so comparable and a argument can definitely be made that the results of Vortix were overall better. More WCS results (in the harder region) with fairly similar premier and major results. Maybe you can say some of Vortix's results were during BL/Infestor but that's all I can think of. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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(legit complaints about vortix probably but writing these things are hard, lol) can anyone find vod of stephano's 4kill? I don't actually remember it and want to rewatch. | ||
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Dumbledore
Sweden725 Posts
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
“I had a dream.” - Stephano on why he used roach/hydra to defeat Polt It was against GanZi at Lone Star Clash 2, where Stephano and Polt didn't face each other (unfortunately I must say, I still remember the fantastic preview written by Fionn about their rivalry). By the way, the top 15 foreigners won a grand total of zero EPS Championship, that's a disgrace. No but seriously, everyone can argue about the places, etc but all of that was very well written, thanks again stuchiu. And of course seeing Stephano #1 pleases me, it's pretty hard to remember now because a lot of time passed and his last performances were pretty awful but he was completely insane in the first half of 2012. He started the year destroying Europe (SHOUTcraft, SCAN Invitational) and then consistently placed well in NA tournaments when there were a lot of them and when they were stacked (IPL, MLG) and ended with Alicia's slaughter at NASL 3. This exact period was for me Stephano's highest peak. | ||
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Apoteosis
Chile820 Posts
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Makro
France16890 Posts
nice writing stuchiu | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On January 09 2016 03:23 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Okay, not to ride on this hate train too hard, but how can this: + Show Spoiler + 2nd WCS EU 2012 Top 8 WCS EU S2 2013 Top 8 WCS EU S3 2013 Top 4 WCS EU S1 2014 Top 8 WCS EU S2 2014 Top 4 IEM Cologne 2012 Top 8 DH Valencia 2012 Top 4 IEM Singapore 2012 Top 8 ASUS Northcon 2013 Top 8 DH Valencia 2014 2nd Fragbite Masters Spring 1st Vasacast Invitational be #10 and this + Show Spoiler + Top 4 WCS NA S2 2013 Top 8 WCS NA S3 2013 Top 8 Iron Squid 2 Top 4 HSC IX 4th MLG Anaheim 2014 6th Red Bull Washington 3rd Red Bull NY Top 8 IEM Singapore 2013 2nd ASUS Northcon 1st RB BG NA be #5, when they're so comparable and a argument can definitely be made that the results of Vortix were overall better. More WCS results (in the harder region) with fairly similar premier and major results. Maybe you can say some of Vortix's results were during BL/Infestor but that's all I can think of. I used this and stuck to it. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/482944-the-process-of-creating-the-top-15-greatest-list | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3484 Posts
But.... Justifying putting Scarlett above Sen by saying she's a championsship level player is just a fat lie. Ohyea she won that one NA only tournament... meanwhile Sen has actually always been able to contest Korean players, played in the GSL, had a bunch of top 3's, top 4's of the actual hardest tournaments at the time. That's what makes him championsship level, he can actually play a series. Scarlett is just a ladder hero that did well with massing Mutalisks... So I wouldn't call this list liquid bias at all, rather NA bias with Idra and Scarlett way too high.. saying that well they were the best of NA and then discarding the same arguments when it comes to Chinese and Taiwanese players just doesn't do it for me. And instead of feeling like a professional analysis of the situation, it instead feels like a public voting.. | ||
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Ej_
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On January 09 2016 03:36 Boucot wrote: By the way, the top 15 foreigners won a grand total of zero EPS Championship, that's a disgrace. not true, Nerchio is the EPS Poland V champion | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On January 09 2016 03:45 ejozl wrote: I can totally respect putting Snute at top 3, over Huk. But.... Justifying putting Scarlett above Sen by saying she's a championsship level player is just a fat lie. Ohyea she won that one NA only tournament... meanwhile Sen has actually always been able to contest Korean players, played in the GSL, had a bunch of top 3's, top 4's of the actual hardest tournaments at the time. That's what makes him championsship level, he can actually play a series. Scarlett is just a ladder hero that did well with massing Mutalisks... So I wouldn't call this list liquid bias at all, rather NA bias with Idra and Scarlett way too high.. saying that well they were the best of NA and then discarding the same arguments when it comes to Chinese and Taiwanese players just doesn't do it for me. And instead of feeling like a professional analysis of the situation, it instead feels like a public voting.. Okay, I understand thinking Sen > Scarlett, but saying it's because Sen could compete vs Koreans is the worst justification for it. Scarlett was/is kind of known for playing better vs Koreans than she usually did against foreigners. That's one thing you CANT use against Scarlett. | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
On January 09 2016 03:48 Ej_ wrote: not true, Nerchio is the EPS Poland V champion I meant EPS Germany of course, the truest test of skill ever imagined. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13993 Posts
 2. Snute's 2011 quote: LOL 3. sOs being top mental players. What is especially amazing is that he wasn't always this way (see WCS S1 Finals KR 2013 Finals v Innovation) | ||
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CyCo
Belgium67 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13993 Posts
On January 09 2016 03:24 travis wrote: You can only fit 5 people in the top 5. Nice articles Stuchiu (legit complaints about vortix probably but writing these things are hard, lol) can anyone find vod of stephano's 4kill? I don't actually remember it and want to rewatch. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + One of the greatest runs of all time. Shit like this is why I can never see Naniwa > Stephano | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3484 Posts
On January 09 2016 03:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Okay, I understand thinking Sen > Scarlett, but saying it's because Sen could compete vs Koreans is the worst justification for it. Scarlett was/is kind of known for playing better vs Koreans than she usually did against foreigners. That's one thing you CANT use against Scarlett. I'm probably not very clear, but what I meant was that Sen has always been this way, for way longer and his massive experience allows him to play the mind games as well. He can play preparation style and the long lans. His high tournament finishes were bigger stake tournaments. When it counts, Sen is your guy. | ||
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France3021 Posts
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