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The Greatest Foreigners of All Time Part 3 - Page 3
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9391 Posts
2nd WCS EU 2012 Top 8 WCS EU S2 2013 Top 8 WCS EU S3 2013 Top 4 WCS EU S1 2014 Top 8 WCS EU S2 2014 Top 4 IEM Cologne 2012 Top 8 DH Valencia 2012 Top 4 IEM Singapore 2012 Top 8 ASUS Northcon 2013 Top 8 DH Valencia 2014 2nd Fragbite Masters Spring 1st Vasacast Invitational Alot of them are during the Broodlord/Infestor area. | ||
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sparklyresidue
United States5523 Posts
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munch
Mute City2363 Posts
On January 09 2016 04:15 Girondelle wrote: Sen saved the foreign honour more than once when the stakes were high, he should have placed higher. Good read nonetheless. Stopped the 2014 all kill, never forget | ||
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stardog
556 Posts
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ploguidice
United States230 Posts
On January 09 2016 03:23 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Okay, not to ride on this hate train too hard, but how can this: + Show Spoiler + 2nd WCS EU 2012 Top 8 WCS EU S2 2013 Top 8 WCS EU S3 2013 Top 4 WCS EU S1 2014 Top 8 WCS EU S2 2014 Top 4 IEM Cologne 2012 Top 8 DH Valencia 2012 Top 4 IEM Singapore 2012 Top 8 ASUS Northcon 2013 Top 8 DH Valencia 2014 2nd Fragbite Masters Spring 1st Vasacast Invitational be #10 and this + Show Spoiler + Top 4 WCS NA S2 2013 Top 8 WCS NA S3 2013 Top 8 Iron Squid 2 Top 4 HSC IX 4th MLG Anaheim 2014 6th Red Bull Washington 3rd Red Bull NY Top 8 IEM Singapore 2013 2nd ASUS Northcon 1st RB BG NA be #5, when they're so comparable and a argument can definitely be made that the results of Vortix were overall better. More WCS results (in the harder region) with fairly similar premier and major results. Maybe you can say some of Vortix's results were during BL/Infestor but that's all I can think of. I don't think its fair to call EU the stronger region to be honest. Lets look at both of their best WCS runs. Scarlett beat:HerO,ViBe,Macsed,Sage,Alive Vortix beat:Showtime,Noname,MC, and Stardust Her MLG Anaheim run was also pretty insane. Voritx was more consistent and had more results but I think Scarlett was better at killing S Class players. | ||
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A_needle_jog
Korea (South)699 Posts
Thank you from all of my heart Stuchiu for the great work you are doing. It is more work than some might think and I am sure you spent a lot of hours on this ranking and text to write. If I were half the man you are then world would be a better place  Thank you. | ||
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beheamoth
44 Posts
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Kitai
United States873 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44441 Posts
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Jer99
Canada8157 Posts
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On January 09 2016 04:42 A_needle_jog wrote: One thing to add. Thank you from all of my heart Stuchiu for the great work you are doing. It is more work than some might think and I am sure you spent a lot of hours on this ranking and text to write. If I were half the man you are then world would be a better place Thank you. This is absolutely true. Stuchiu might have different opinions than other people on certain rankings, but we should definitely note and applaud the effort he put into this. (Also he is quite a good writer, so that helps as well). So thanks again for the work stuchiu! Discussing the actual positions, I think this is pretty much, what er expected after part 2, just with the knowledge of 3/4, so no new rants here. As I stated in the previous part, I would have probably placed some players differently (mainly putting Nerchio in the top 5 and probably ThorZaIN a bit higher as well) because of differences in the metrics I'd use, but overall this was an enjoyable ranking. Also I'd like to add GoOdy to list list of people, who got robbed: The guy had won more tournaments than Stephano and Naniwa combined, he should be an obvious pick for number 1. And another off topic thing: Happy birthyday A_needle_jog. | ||
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NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
With that said, Stephano and naniwa before Snute? TL please. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
 )As I said before, I think Scarlett and Snute shouldn't be in the top 5 and Nerchio and MaNa should be there instead simple due to their championships and final appearances, something that both Scarlett and Snute just lack in comparison. | ||
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
On January 09 2016 02:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I'm still not sure how I feel about a player with only 1 premier tournament finals, zero wins, and consistency issues can be top 5 all time. Obviously Scarlett has mad skill and her peak was great but the results just aren't there to justify being top 5 imo. Just saying that she was a better Idra isn't enough, especially when I felt Idra was also too highly ranked Scarlett was one of the scariest zergs ever in TvZ, even when counting koreans. She was favored and even though zerg was in a really good spot since a long time her mechanics were crazy. It's true that result wise she didn't win much, but we are talking about greatness and she has peaked far higher than most other foreigners of that list. Otherwise why not count earnings as well? Still didn't read but minus IdrA too high, VortiX and Nerchio too low, the list was kinda perfect (from my pov obviously haha) except that MaNa gained point for playing protoss instead of zerg but foreign terrans didn't gain points for playing the statistically (and probably objectively as well) hardest race for foreigners :/. So yeah very nice article overall, with right the good amount of delay between parts in order to build some hype up. Too bad most of the greats are retired or barely active. | ||
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Dingodile
4135 Posts
On January 09 2016 04:22 Hider wrote: Alot of them are during the Broodlord/Infestor area. Alot? max 4 of 11 listed tournaments. When did BL/Inf era stop in your memory? I can't remember it was a thing in HotS (released at 13.03.2013). | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On January 09 2016 05:34 Poopi wrote: Scarlett was one of the scariest zergs ever in TvZ, even when counting koreans. I think this is going a bit to far. There was an era, where Scarlett was extremely strong in ZvT, but if you compare the scariness of her ZvT with for example DRG, who was considered to be unbeatable against terran (except for MMA, who was a TvZ-god as well back then), there is a gigantic difference. IIRC, koreans were very impressed by her during her prime, but I have never heard, that a top korean was really scared of her in the way, they acknowledged fear of other koreans/stephano. | ||
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Ppjack
Belgium489 Posts
It was a good read, and well written/explained your thought process every time. Especially with the dilemnas you had.µ to deal with. and of course: Idra/Scarlett way too high, (Vortix)/Nerchio too low. Maybe not Vortix cause everyone knew he was freaking good, but never proved his true potential. To be the greatest you need to be accomplished and have kind of an aura surrounding you. But it's ok cause he is coming back to prove us wrong hehehe | ||
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stilt
France2749 Posts
And gratz! | ||
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