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The Greatest Foreigners of All Time Part 3 - Page 3

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oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
January 08 2016 19:18 GMT
#41
Tfw Liquid bias.

Thanks, The Passion Lord.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9405 Posts
January 08 2016 19:22 GMT
#42
2nd WCS EU 2012
Top 8 WCS EU S2 2013
Top 8 WCS EU S3 2013
Top 4 WCS EU S1 2014
Top 8 WCS EU S2 2014
Top 4 IEM Cologne 2012
Top 8 DH Valencia 2012
Top 4 IEM Singapore 2012
Top 8 ASUS Northcon 2013
Top 8 DH Valencia 2014
2nd Fragbite Masters Spring
1st Vasacast Invitational


Alot of them are during the Broodlord/Infestor area.
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5523 Posts
January 08 2016 19:23 GMT
#43
Roachphano! My hero!
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
January 08 2016 19:24 GMT
#44
On January 09 2016 04:15 Girondelle wrote:
Sen saved the foreign honour more than once when the stakes were high, he should have placed higher. Good read nonetheless.


Stopped the 2014 all kill, never forget
WriterForm is temporary, MMA is permanent || http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/508630-article-archive
stardog
Profile Joined August 2011
556 Posts
January 08 2016 19:26 GMT
#45
very satisfying ranking, thx stuchiu
ploguidice
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States233 Posts
January 08 2016 19:27 GMT
#46
On January 09 2016 03:23 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Okay, not to ride on this hate train too hard, but how can this:

+ Show Spoiler +
2nd WCS EU 2012
Top 8 WCS EU S2 2013
Top 8 WCS EU S3 2013
Top 4 WCS EU S1 2014
Top 8 WCS EU S2 2014
Top 4 IEM Cologne 2012
Top 8 DH Valencia 2012
Top 4 IEM Singapore 2012
Top 8 ASUS Northcon 2013
Top 8 DH Valencia 2014
2nd Fragbite Masters Spring
1st Vasacast Invitational


be #10 and this

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Top 4 WCS NA S2 2013
Top 8 WCS NA S3 2013
Top 8 Iron Squid 2
Top 4 HSC IX
4th MLG Anaheim 2014
6th Red Bull Washington
3rd Red Bull NY
Top 8 IEM Singapore 2013
2nd ASUS Northcon
1st RB BG NA


be #5, when they're so comparable and a argument can definitely be made that the results of Vortix were overall better. More WCS results (in the harder region) with fairly similar premier and major results. Maybe you can say some of Vortix's results were during BL/Infestor but that's all I can think of.


I don't think its fair to call EU the stronger region to be honest. Lets look at both of their best WCS runs.

Scarlett beat:HerO,ViBe,Macsed,Sage,Alive

Vortix beat:Showtime,Noname,MC, and Stardust

Her MLG Anaheim run was also pretty insane. Voritx was more consistent and had more results but I think Scarlett was better at killing S Class players.
I'm Joe
A_needle_jog
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
Korea (South)699 Posts
January 08 2016 19:42 GMT
#47
One thing to add.


Thank you from all of my heart Stuchiu for the great work you are doing. It is more work than some might think and I am sure you spent a lot of hours on this ranking and text to write.

If I were half the man you are then world would be a better place

Thank you.
http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/3949980/1/llllllllllll/
beheamoth
Profile Joined December 2015
44 Posts
January 08 2016 19:54 GMT
#48
nope. Idra
Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States876 Posts
January 08 2016 19:54 GMT
#49
Great write-ups, thanks for all the hard work! Snute and HuK are both looking pretty good right now too; hopefully if this list is compiled again in the future they can find themselves climbing even higher. It'll be really tough to dethrone NaNiwa or Stephano though.
"You know, I don't care if soO got 100 second places in a row. Anyone who doesn't think that he's going to win blizzcon watching this series is a fool" - Artosis, Blizzcon 2014 soO vs TaeJa
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44915 Posts
January 08 2016 19:56 GMT
#50
Unsurprising Top 5; great articles and list overall
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8158 Posts
January 08 2016 20:05 GMT
#51
Stu u the man
StrategyTaeJa #1 || @TL_Jer99 || "seeker seeked out his seeking"
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
January 08 2016 20:25 GMT
#52
On January 09 2016 04:42 A_needle_jog wrote:
One thing to add.


Thank you from all of my heart Stuchiu for the great work you are doing. It is more work than some might think and I am sure you spent a lot of hours on this ranking and text to write.

If I were half the man you are then world would be a better place

Thank you.

This is absolutely true. Stuchiu might have different opinions than other people on certain rankings, but we should definitely note and applaud the effort he put into this. (Also he is quite a good writer, so that helps as well). So thanks again for the work stuchiu!

Discussing the actual positions, I think this is pretty much, what er expected after part 2, just with the knowledge of 3/4, so no new rants here. As I stated in the previous part, I would have probably placed some players differently (mainly putting Nerchio in the top 5 and probably ThorZaIN a bit higher as well) because of differences in the metrics I'd use, but overall this was an enjoyable ranking.

Also I'd like to add GoOdy to list list of people, who got robbed: The guy had won more tournaments than Stephano and Naniwa combined, he should be an obvious pick for number 1.

And another off topic thing: Happy birthyday A_needle_jog.
NEEDZMOAR
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1277 Posts
January 08 2016 20:27 GMT
#53
Thanks for the great article!

With that said, Stephano and naniwa before Snute? TL please.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
January 08 2016 20:28 GMT
#54
Nice read (not finished with it, but nice already )

As I said before, I think Scarlett and Snute shouldn't be in the top 5 and Nerchio and MaNa should be there instead simple due to their championships and final appearances, something that both Scarlett and Snute just lack in comparison.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12904 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-08 20:37:03
January 08 2016 20:34 GMT
#55
On January 09 2016 02:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I'm still not sure how I feel about a player with only 1 premier tournament finals, zero wins, and consistency issues can be top 5 all time. Obviously Scarlett has mad skill and her peak was great but the results just aren't there to justify being top 5 imo. Just saying that she was a better Idra isn't enough, especially when I felt Idra was also too highly ranked

Scarlett was one of the scariest zergs ever in TvZ, even when counting koreans. She was favored and even though zerg was in a really good spot since a long time her mechanics were crazy.
It's true that result wise she didn't win much, but we are talking about greatness and she has peaked far higher than most other foreigners of that list.

Otherwise why not count earnings as well?

Still didn't read but minus IdrA too high, VortiX and Nerchio too low, the list was kinda perfect (from my pov obviously haha) except that MaNa gained point for playing protoss instead of zerg but foreign terrans didn't gain points for playing the statistically (and probably objectively as well) hardest race for foreigners :/.

So yeah very nice article overall, with right the good amount of delay between parts in order to build some hype up.

Too bad most of the greats are retired or barely active.
WriterMaru
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4135 Posts
January 08 2016 20:40 GMT
#56
On January 09 2016 04:22 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
2nd WCS EU 2012
Top 8 WCS EU S2 2013
Top 8 WCS EU S3 2013
Top 4 WCS EU S1 2014
Top 8 WCS EU S2 2014
Top 4 IEM Cologne 2012
Top 8 DH Valencia 2012
Top 4 IEM Singapore 2012
Top 8 ASUS Northcon 2013
Top 8 DH Valencia 2014
2nd Fragbite Masters Spring
1st Vasacast Invitational


Alot of them are during the Broodlord/Infestor area.

Alot? max 4 of 11 listed tournaments.
When did BL/Inf era stop in your memory? I can't remember it was a thing in HotS (released at 13.03.2013).
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
January 08 2016 20:53 GMT
#57
kk good Stephano receives justice. Got worried after I saw Idra so high :p
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
January 08 2016 20:59 GMT
#58
On January 09 2016 05:34 Poopi wrote:
Scarlett was one of the scariest zergs ever in TvZ, even when counting koreans.

I think this is going a bit to far. There was an era, where Scarlett was extremely strong in ZvT, but if you compare the scariness of her ZvT with for example DRG, who was considered to be unbeatable against terran (except for MMA, who was a TvZ-god as well back then), there is a gigantic difference. IIRC, koreans were very impressed by her during her prime, but I have never heard, that a top korean was really scared of her in the way, they acknowledged fear of other koreans/stephano.
Ppjack
Profile Joined March 2015
Belgium489 Posts
January 08 2016 21:18 GMT
#59
Thanks a lot stuchiu
It was a good read, and well written/explained your thought process every time. Especially with the dilemnas you had.µ to deal with.

and of course: Idra/Scarlett way too high, (Vortix)/Nerchio too low.

Maybe not Vortix cause everyone knew he was freaking good, but never proved his true potential. To be the greatest you need to be accomplished and have kind of an aura surrounding you.
But it's ok cause he is coming back to prove us wrong hehehe

<;o)
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2751 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-08 21:22:57
January 08 2016 21:22 GMT
#60
I would have put Huk above Snute but overall, it is a very detailed and coherent ranking and I especially appreciate the stephano's part, thanks!

And gratz!
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