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SmykuToronto
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Jer99
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EJK
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nubHunter
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Sakat
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Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
 I remember once maybe in 2009/2010 Fomos or someone did a Valentine's day special and Fantasy said he had never kissed a girl and wanted to do that some day. I always think of that for some reason. I hope he got his wish eventually. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
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Thinh123456
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ANOTHER GOD HAS ABANDONED US!!! User was warned for this post | ||
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riotjune
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
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KingofdaHipHop
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Wintex
Norway16836 Posts
Thanks for your games, terrorist terran. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
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zealotstim
United States455 Posts
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Liquid`Zephyr
United States996 Posts
no one did vultures like fantasy will be severly missed. thanks for all the ggs | ||
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atrox_
United Kingdom1710 Posts
I wish you all the best in the future. Today is a sad day ): | ||
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BreAKerTV
Taiwan1658 Posts
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Rollora
2450 Posts
On December 27 2015 23:13 EJK wrote: another terran... I expected that the moment I first started the beta. Game has become even more versatile, skill isn't the only thing you need now to win. This counts especially for terran, since control /mechanics is the only thing you can do to turn around the game since you don't have such gimmicky build orders that alone win you the game. How would you feel as progamer if you know you are better then an opponent but still get beaten by him over and over by things you cannot scout or have to put in 5x the effort to defend then to the opponent does to pull the attack of. | ||
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InFluenza
Netherlands55 Posts
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Topdoller
United Kingdom3860 Posts
Makes you wonder has he looked at the current meta and decided its just not worth sticking around, or has he decided that Military Service is something he needs to get done and out the way with | ||
munch
Mute City2363 Posts
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Wrath
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Nerchio
Poland2633 Posts
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lastride
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fanta | ||
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
Fantasy was one of the few player that i'd never miss live and would re-watch the games. He was one of the few who didn't mind innovating in the middle of an important series ( which cost him a lot sometimes but also made him awesome ). I was looking forward to him in lotv ( somehow i believe tankyvacs would be a great fit for him ). You were awesome Fanta, you'll always be. GL | ||
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Wrath
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Alvis
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Wrath
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iFU.pauline
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Wrath
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somehow i believe tankyvacs would be a great fit for him He explicitly said on the stream that he hates it but he has to adapt. | ||
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kinsky
Germany368 Posts
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PinoKotsBeer
Netherlands1385 Posts
nooooooooooooo!Sad day. | ||
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JonnySC2
Germany119 Posts
could someone pls translate this interview? http://m.fomos.kr/esports/news_view?lurl=/esports/news_list?news_cate_id=1&entry_id=18905 | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49972 Posts
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imre
France9263 Posts
On December 27 2015 23:41 BLinD-RawR wrote: holy shit, what the fuck is going on. 2016 WCS | ||
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Finnz
United Kingdom260 Posts
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NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
On December 27 2015 23:15 Heyoka wrote: Unfortunate I remember once maybe in 2009/2010 Fomos or someone did a Valentine's day special and Fantasy said he had never kissed a girl and wanted to do that some day. I always think of that for some reason. I hope he got his wish eventually. ...I wanted to cry anyway... | ||
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SharkStarcraft
Austria2197 Posts
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
http://www.fomos.kr/esports/news_view?entry_id=18905 | ||
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JonnySC2
Germany119 Posts
I wouldn't blame WCS 2016 for every retirement. It is the end of the year, contracts are ending. It is normal that most players retire at that time of the year. And some people like Rain already made up their decision to retire before anything about WCS was announced. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
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NinjaToss
Austria1383 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
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Makro
France16890 Posts
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WigglingSquid
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On December 27 2015 23:47 JonnySC2 wrote: I wouldn't blame WCS 2016 for every retirement. It is the end of the year, contracts are ending. It is normal that most players retire at that time of the year. And some people like Rain already made up their decision to retire before anything about WCS was announced. Even so, what choice is left to Korean players who cannot return to KeSPA? They are effectively stranded. | ||
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Ctesias
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Who do we have left now beside TY, Maru and Innovation? | ||
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geokilla
Canada8224 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6196 Posts
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imre
France9263 Posts
On December 27 2015 23:47 JonnySC2 wrote: I wouldn't blame WCS 2016 for every retirement. It is the end of the year, contracts are ending. It is normal that most players retire at that time of the year. And some people like Rain already made up their decision to retire before anything about WCS was announced. Fanta is the perfect candidate tho. Invested everything on oversea tournaments after leaving SKT, got decent results and reached his goal of going to blizzcon. And that have been forbidden to him so that Hydra and Polt can get way richer. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12045 Posts
First stage of political grief: use the situation to say what you were going to say anyway | ||
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Ve5pa
United Kingdom252 Posts
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JonnySC2
Germany119 Posts
On December 27 2015 23:49 WigglingSquid wrote: Even so, what choice is left to Korean players who cannot return to KeSPA? They are effectively stranded. Sadly this is true but the only guys that can't return to KeSPA are Rain, Fantasy and Parting. Even though I really like all of them you can't change the whole WCS system because of them. And like i said before, officialy Rain's decision was not affected by the WCS announcement. On December 27 2015 23:51 sAsImre wrote: Fanta is the perfect candidate tho. Invested everything on oversea tournaments after leaving SKT, got decent results and reached his goal of going to blizzcon. And that have been forbidden to him so that Hydra and Polt can get way richer. I could imagine that similar to Rain Fantasy already made up his decision to retire when he left SKT but I obviously don't know. Would be really nice to have the fomos interview translated so we maybe get some answers. | ||
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0mg_t1red
Russian Federation104 Posts
On December 27 2015 23:39 kinsky wrote: gg´s fantasy. gg lotv. gg sc2. starting my cs:go career now. gl hf to the rest of you. career srsly? how many tournies have u already won in sc2? | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 27 2015 23:30 WrathSCII wrote: I FUCKING CALLED IT! Well done! Would you like a round of applause? | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5412 Posts
And also that he's sorry to give SC2 fans more bad news these days >_< with his retiring as well. | ||
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Sholip
Hungary422 Posts
Deep inside I knew this would happen soon, but it's still sad... | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
Bye. | ||
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freeAll
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
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CrayonPopChoa
Canada761 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
MMA, Rain, FanTa. I'm genuinely sad. The only remaining player I am kind of a fan of is Zest... | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
Parting and Soulkey will retire by the end of 2016 too, banned from Proleague + region locked out of foreign tournaments = T_T. | ||
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
On topic: fuck why all terrans stopping just make some z/p retire (except Jaedong he is a legend so we need to keep him) already.80% of GM EU terrans are in the 170-200 range, almost no terran left to look up to. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On December 28 2015 00:13 Poopi wrote: Why are they banned from Kespa? On topic: fuck why all terrans stopping just make some z/p retire (except Jaedong he is a legend so we need to keep him) already.80% of GM EU terrans are in the 170-200 range, almost no terran left to look up to. Rain, Parting, Fantasy and Soulkey all 'broke their contracts' and left SKT too early which means they're banned from Proleague. At the time I think I read that there was some friction in the team between staff and the banned players which is why they decided to break their contracts. | ||
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boomshine
Belgium9 Posts
, goodluck in further life @Fantasy | ||
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Ctesias
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On December 28 2015 00:11 ZAiNs wrote: Parting and Soulkey will retire by the end of 2016 too, banned from Proleague + region locked out of foreign tournaments = T_T. I can definitely see this happening, sadly. | ||
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CrayonPopChoa
Canada761 Posts
On December 28 2015 00:16 ZAiNs wrote: Rain, Parting, Fantasy and Soulkey all 'broke their contracts' and left SKT too early which means they're banned from Proleague. At the time I think I read that there was some friction in the team between staff and the banned players which is why they decided to break their contracts. are you sure they are banned? according to this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/471157-parting-unable-to-play-in-2015-proleague it seems they just have to return to SKT that is if SKT wants them. Maybe there was another update im missing. | ||
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Crocolisk Dundee
870 Posts
 FanTaSy. Best wishes for your future endeavors, whatever you decide to do after military service!Here is a highlight from his amazing match against TRUE during Proleague 2014: This match against soO in GSL 2015 was one of the closest I have ever seen: | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
wp Blizz best of luck to Fantasy whatever he decides to do now | ||
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Edpayasugo
United Kingdom2212 Posts
GGWP Fanta. | ||
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Elentos
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On December 28 2015 00:19 boxerfred wrote: What do Soulkey and PartinG have to play besides GSL and SSL? Confirmed? One KeSPA Cup. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 28 2015 00:19 boxerfred wrote: What do Soulkey and PartinG have to play besides GSL and SSL? KeSPA cups and WCS global tourneys(or something like this). They have to return to T1 or give up. In Parting's case he can get Taiwanese visa. HUGE MAYBE. Because only Korea is banned from SC2 Welfare. I hate Blizzard now with furious passion... | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On December 28 2015 00:19 boxerfred wrote: What do Soulkey and PartinG have to play besides GSL and SSL? WCS Global Events.... Hahahaha :D They have to win a GSL or SSL or be often enough in the Top area to gain enough points for one of the 8 Blizzcon Spots to play at Blizzcon. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
Good luck to Fantasy in his future endeavor. | ||
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OrangeGarage
Korea (South)319 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On December 28 2015 00:18 CrayonPopChoa wrote: are you sure they are banned? according to this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/471157-parting-unable-to-play-in-2015-proleague it seems they just have to return to SKT that is if SKT wants them. Maybe there was another update im missing. Yes, they can only play for SKT, but apparently some shit went down which is why they left and why they are being punished for it, so I really doubt SKT would take them back. I may be wrong but I think SKT wanted to avoid drama because none of the players really elaborated on why they broke their contract, but apparently Rain did touch on some of the rumours: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/2irs5r/rain_partially_confirms_that_frictions_between/. | ||
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Ctesias
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... that's the idea, right? | ||
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OrangeGarage
Korea (South)319 Posts
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Twine
France246 Posts
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imre
France9263 Posts
On December 27 2015 23:51 Nebuchad wrote: First stage of political grief: use the situation to say what you were going to say anyway lol. Nice accusation, I didn't said anything for Rain but this is so obvious even without insider info. | ||
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Vortun
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Elentos
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"Ah, finally done with that article. Now I can get to writing one about Rain! Lemme open TL.net first and... No. No. Nononononono. NO. Not another one! How am I supposed to write all these articles?" | ||
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EAGER-beaver
Canada2799 Posts
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TR
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imre
France9263 Posts
On December 28 2015 00:33 TR wrote: Sad times for the SC community. Not really anything unexpected though considering how SC is doing nowadays and the new WCS system. I wonder who is retiring next.. Bet on some koreigners that don't have visa. Maybe True? | ||
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Penev
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tHeScooTer
Switzerland77 Posts
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On December 28 2015 00:29 Elentos wrote: Meanwhile, at stuchiu's place: "Ah, finally done with that article. Now I can get to writing one about Rain! Lemme open TL.net first and... No. No. Nononononono. NO. Not another one! How am I supposed to write all these articles?" It's actually more like: "So Rain retired, who wants to write ab- oh ffs stu, you already did, didn't you?" "Yeah, it's 100k words long." | ||
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Arceus
Vietnam8332 Posts
my captain Theres no point playing FPL anymore | ||
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OrangeGarage
Korea (South)319 Posts
On December 27 2015 23:47 Cele wrote: uhuh Rain Fantasy and Flash retiring. Sad days for Sc2, glorious day for BW. Don't let the "im gonna do my military" announcement fool you. They all said it before going full afreeca. FanTaSy outright said he isn't thinking about SCBW at all so bye | ||
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rockslave
Brazil318 Posts
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nubHunter
Spain44 Posts
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Elentos
55459 Posts
On December 28 2015 00:44 DarkLordOlli wrote: It's actually more like: "So Rain retired, who wants to write ab- oh ffs stu, you already did, didn't you?" "Yeah, it's 100k words long." He already has retirement articles for every major SC2 player prepared, just left some gaps in there to edit in case they achieve something before their retirement. | ||
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Tufas
Austria2259 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12045 Posts
On December 28 2015 00:27 sAsImre wrote: lol. Nice accusation, I didn't said anything for Rain but this is so obvious even without insider info. Here are a few propositions: - Blizzard: region lock limits possibilities for korean players. - DH and IEM: they likely didn't want to have much SC2 in their events anymore, which was a big part of WCS changing. - Community in 2013: having strong voices arguing for a region lock likely had some influence in it being implemented. - North Korea: he has to do military service. - SKT1 contract: he could have played for other proleague teams if it wasn't for that. - SKT1: he could play for SKT1 again, except it appears there are frictions there. - Fantasy: he could have stayed in Kespa instead of going for the foreign tournaments. If you remember, the people who did what he did in 2013 were heavily criticized for taking the easy route (Pigbaby, Check2, people on TB's team, and so on). - LotV: he doesn't seem to enjoy tankivacs, which are pretty important in this game. - Results: he hasn't been very successful in SC2. Out of all factors that may or may not have led to his retirement, does it surprise you that you focused on the one thing you were already critical against? | ||
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nanaoei
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i remember your game where it came down to 1 banshee w/ cloak and a couple ingame seconds left before being out of energy, exposed, and slaughtered by a huge broodlord corruptor army. but it was enough for you to win and watching you sit in the booth gave a lot of us a sense of confidence in ourselves. | ||
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Prog455
Denmark970 Posts
On December 28 2015 00:28 Vortun wrote: This wave of retirements is sad, but not at all unexpected after what Blizzard did with WCS 2016. I fail to see how this has anything to do with WCS 2016. MMA could still play in Europe and Flash and Rain had already made up their minds. There's still plenty of tournaments in Korea with Kespa Cup, SSL, GSL and Proleague. Fantasy being unable to play in Proleague has nothing to do with Blizzard, rather he himself screwed up. It is not Blizzards job to tailor a tournament circuit to the needs of a few players who chose to breach a contract with a Korean team. | ||
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sh0ck
United States52 Posts
I mean, these players have to retire and move on at some point. We like to blame the WCS system, but chances are they'd be retiring soon anyway and the combination of a brand new game to grind and horrible WCS rules probably made the decision easy for them (not to disregard the other factors in Rain's decision). Still sad, but let's be happy for what they accomplished and glad that they stayed with us as long as they did. All good things come to an end, and we were blessed with some pretty sweet times from these titans. | ||
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Wrath
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+ Show Spoiler + - 군입대한다고 하는데 정확한 계획은 있는지. 스타1을 할 생각인가 ▶ 내년 쯤에 군에 입대할 생각이다. 가기 전에는 무엇을 할지는 모르겠다. 지금 영어 공부를 하고 있다. 스타1을 할지는 잘 모르겠다. It seems this part is related to BW. | ||
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CCa1ss1e
Canada3231 Posts
Good luck pantaji. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
Anyways, he was a great player and it's a bit sad that he never got better results in SC2. | ||
Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
Good bye, Terrorist terran, your vultures will be remembered. | ||
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Skyblueone
Belgium155 Posts
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Ej_
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On December 28 2015 01:09 OtherWorld wrote: Is there a word in English to describe something that is very sad but was expected? GPA | ||
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
On December 28 2015 01:07 WrathSCII wrote: Seeker, can you translate this part please? + Show Spoiler + - 군입대한다고 하는데 정확한 계획은 있는지. 스타1을 할 생각인가 ▶ 내년 쯤에 군에 입대할 생각이다. 가기 전에는 무엇을 할지는 모르겠다. 지금 영어 공부를 하고 있다. 스타1을 할지는 잘 모르겠다. It seems this part is related to BW. I'm gonna do my military service early next year. I have no particular plans; I do not know whether I would stream BW. | ||
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Wrath
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On December 28 2015 01:11 Thouhastmail wrote: I'm gonna do my military service early next year. I have no particular plans; I do not know whether I would stream BW. Thanks! Ouch.. Please delay it a year or two and stream some BW | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
Korea's bleeding heavily but it didn't concern at all the people designing wcs. The only healthy region looks to be Europe with some strong national scenes | ||
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
On December 28 2015 01:09 OtherWorld wrote: Is there a word in English to describe something that is very sad but was expected? Anyways, he was a great player and it's a bit sad that he never got better results in SC2. désillution | ||
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sh0ck
United States52 Posts
On December 28 2015 00:23 ZAiNs wrote: Yes, they can only play for SKT, but apparently some shit went down which is why they left and why they are being punished for it, so I really doubt SKT would take them back. I may be wrong but I think SKT wanted to avoid drama because none of the players really elaborated on why they broke their contract, but apparently Rain did touch on some of the rumours: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/2irs5r/rain_partially_confirms_that_frictions_between/. Did that article ever get translated? Would be really interested to read about the friction between oov and Rain/Parting/Fanta/Soulkey. | ||
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corydoras
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GG! | ||
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CptMarvel
France236 Posts
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
I wish you well in all that you do. | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
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Pino
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I'm so sad ... | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On December 28 2015 01:23 amazingxkcd wrote: hehehehe, more players back to Brood War!!!!! Read the thread before acting like that  | ||
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Interesting3
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Maghetti
United States2429 Posts
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VmY
Netherlands1286 Posts
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purakushi
United States3300 Posts
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On December 28 2015 01:26 Interesting3 wrote: Not a huge loss, he was a big chocker and in general not the smartest of the players. You're making me upset. Personally I wish FanTaSy the best in whatever he does, but hopefully he'll join BeSt and Bisu and start streaming some Broodwar as he was the player who got me interested in Starcraft in the first place. Shame he retired from SC2 the second I got back into it wanting to support him, but I can't hate on FanTaSy ever. He'll always be the Prince of Terran to me <3 | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On December 28 2015 01:41 purakushi wrote: Here's to hoping he streams BW! I'm sure, if not outright stream, he will play some. If history has showed us anything, it's that a lot of player state that they are interested in going to do their military service but end up streaming for years prior to that with several exceptions lol. | ||
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
Didn't know him, but I can respect anyone who put as much into the game as he did. I'm not worried. Fresh blood will come out of KR. | ||
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fronkschnonk
Germany622 Posts
For all the "no terran anymore"-guys: We still have Inno, Maru, Byun, Reality, TY, Gumiho, Bunny, Dream, Bbyong, Jjakji, Forte, Sorry, Cure, Bravo, alive, Journey... there is enough greatness still there and even more potential for that. Retirements are sad, but holes will be filled. | ||
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waiting2Bbanned
United States154 Posts
If that was Blizz' plan, then GG I guess.. | ||
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Rollora
2450 Posts
On December 27 2015 23:29 InFluenza wrote: that is SC2 for you man.Not surprised at all. Also sad that he was never able to get a title. too much possible cheese. you can be the best or one of them, still don't get a title. | ||
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Rollora
2450 Posts
On December 27 2015 23:43 Finnz wrote: Another one? Bomber, Taeja, ForGG all due to retire soon as well, this is sad Nah! Taeja will never retire. As will MVP | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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EatingBomber
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On December 28 2015 01:49 TRaFFiC wrote: Perhaps you could blame wcs but to me it seems it goes like this. Leave kespa team > join foreign team > win foreign tournaments > skill decline > retire. Didn't know him, but I can respect anyone who put as much into the game as he did. I'm not worried. Fresh blood will come out of KR. I think your optimism is misplaced. We have had so many prominent, or at least historically significant players retire this year, and almost no rising stars, and you still think the Korean scene is healthy? The last new, dominant player that arose from Korea was... Solar? Or maybe Dream? But they have been playing since 2013 and 2011 respectively. The truth is, the Korean scene is atrophying at an alarming rate, and there aren't any transfusions incoming. | ||
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Rollora
2450 Posts
On December 28 2015 00:13 Poopi wrote: Why are they banned from Kespa? On topic: fuck why all terrans stopping just make some z/p retire (except Jaedong he is a legend so we need to keep him) already.80% of GM EU terrans are in the 170-200 range, almost no terran left to look up to. Skillwise there are enough left, but LOTV isn't balanced yet or the meta hasn't evolved enough. Therefore you can get cheesed down as terran, since terran play is much more preditable then for instance protoss play. It will take some time to figure the game out. Its like 2014 again, when no terran besides taeja and flash won premier tournaments and 90% of the wins were toss or zerg. This will be the case for the next 12-18 monts again, and then either the meta evolves finally or blizzard agrees that there have to be some changes. | ||
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
On December 28 2015 01:45 BigFan wrote: Unexpected news seeing as we had both Flash and Rain retire just the other day. Given, last I checked, Fantasy wasn't doing the best in HoTS about a year ago so who knows. Maybe he thinks it's best to move on with the current status of the scene? One thing is for sure though, SCII suffered a big blow with all these retirements in the last couple of weeks. If history has showed us anything, it's that a lot of player state that they are interested in going to do their military service but end up streaming for years prior to that with several exceptions lol. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ink6rp8.jpg) Sometimes money really does surprise me. *cough* flaunting for ballons *cough* | ||
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ZodaSoda
Australia1191 Posts
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/maliR/83f89eb08c.png) | ||
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Belgium489 Posts
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Heartland
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nanaoei
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i have more than a few 20-30yo korean friends who figured they'd move overseas with family for work, for pleasure, or to see what the landscape is like outside of KR. they have dual citizenship, but do not want to be entered into the 2yr military comittment. if there's one thing that's for sure, i wouldn't want to spend 2 years doing something i much rather not do--that involves avoiding it as long as i'm not prepared. what better way to reconnect with your fanbase and earn something in the process, than to play the game that got you into the swing of things? do you think a pro born from sc2 is going to start doing sc1? to give you an idea of how big sc1 was for the previous (and current) generation, there were internal school rankings, and school competitions. it was social status in school. do you think that's not ingrained in someone as they're growing up? spending the summer break training hard against my friends and peers, competing along the way to get the gratification of asking someone out, or claiming to be the best. skipping classes or not listening to your parents to spend time with friends at a pc cafe. the entire mmorph ordeal in kr, and being known as a game-addict or a game-fiend and all the societal stigma surrounding that. today's generation is a little different now, and values have changed slightly, but the roots are all still there. gaming is being more accepted, and, some people simply haven't had their share of gaming from way back then. before you consider it a matter of sc1 vs sc2 (both great games) consider the history that someone has, and how it could possibly have affected them. everyone has their regrets, but don't put sc2 (or even sc1) down as someone else's. you are not them, you are not a professional, you do not know better. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On December 28 2015 02:09 Thouhastmail wrote: Sometimes money really does surprise me. *cough* flaunting for ballons *cough* lol yes, it's a bit funny what they do for balloons at times. This seemed like a common game that was going around though so I doubt Bisu would've done it if it wasn't? Either way, their decisions. I'm only an observer ^^ | ||
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
On December 28 2015 02:20 nanaoei wrote: at some schools if you were ranked highly at the end of the year, you got the privelage of asking the prettiest girl in class to the dance. Though I admire your opinion, I would say, hell no. This is false. | ||
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sdnnvs
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highsis
259 Posts
LOTV is a very fun game to watch but for the majority of casual gamers it's difficult game to play. | ||
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Rollora
2450 Posts
On December 28 2015 02:25 sdnnvs wrote: Flash, Rain, FanTasy... Another SC2 pro player streaming and enjoying Brood War... Why? Serious or rhetoric question? | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
On December 28 2015 02:25 Thouhastmail wrote: Though I admire your opinion, I would say, hell no. This is false. i'm not trying to insult anyone and i'm not from korea, this is simply what a 23yo kr-american friend told me about his school, and it's how he got together with his girlfriend, lol. obviously i had asked him a lot more about him and his friends surrounding starcraft, but that's coming from the horse's mouth as far as i'm concerned. i don't mind being wrong, but you or anyone else can fill in the blanks for me. | ||
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MaCRo.gg
Korea (South)860 Posts
On December 28 2015 02:25 Thouhastmail wrote: Though I admire your opinion, I would say, hell no. This is false. Can confirm. Not true at all. I don't get why people think that gaming was a more popular thing than sports or school rank or physical features. Sure it wasn't like the nerdy thing in Korea but it was never something you won school-wide acclaim for. Is eSports big in Korea? Yes Was/Is it bigger than sports? Never. Boxer was never bigger than Park Chan Ho. Flash was never bigger than Park Ji Sung. | ||
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Canada353 Posts
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
Anyway, Korean schools do not have prom; students do not dance at all, because there's no sort of activities that are related with dancing. | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
On December 28 2015 02:42 Thouhastmail wrote: Well. At least Boxer was more popular than most of celebrities. Anyway, Korean schools do not have prom; students do not dance at all, because there's no sort of activities that are related with dancing. sorry, it's just a figure of speech or w/e here. it just means to ask them out for an occaision/date/w/e anyway, i'll just remove it since it detracts from the point | ||
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
On December 28 2015 02:01 EatingBomber wrote: I think your optimism is misplaced. We have had so many prominent, or at least historically significant players retire this year, and almost no rising stars, and you still think the Korean scene is healthy? The last new, dominant player that arose from Korea was... Solar? Or maybe Dream? But they have been playing since 2013 and 2011 respectively. The truth is, the Korean scene is atrophying at an alarming rate, and there aren't any transfusions incoming. Maybe, maybe not. Solar is better than ever, but I don't think he's the best of the newcomers. It's just that he's on a team which can afford to keep sending him to events (and he keeps convincing them to do it somehow). I imagine there are plenty of ladder heroes we've never heard of. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
He was my pick to be the best Kespa player to switch over | ||
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
On December 28 2015 02:53 nanaoei wrote: sorry, it's just a figure of speech or w/e here. it just means to ask them out for an occaision/date/w/e anyway, i'll just remove it since it detracts from the point Interesting. I spent my secondary-school days in Brisbane, but never heard of it. Anyway, I do agree with your opinion. | ||
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Daswollvieh
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How is that retirement a surprise or telling for the state of SC2? Compared to his past successes, Fantasy has been one of the least successful players for years. How much longer should he try to break through? Till he´s thirty? The man´s gotta think of his future, not because SC2 or esports has no future, but because he has none in it. We don´t know if anybody will ever have, esports is too young to tell whether a life-time career is even possible. People just have to accept that pro-gaming in general is a thing you do while you´re young, like so many other sports, too. And then, some earlier, some later, you have to change your priorities, get a degree, get a job, build a future. And then new kids come around to take their places. There´s no shame in that. So, instead of drooling of dead-game-prophecies and SC2-BW-dick-comparisons people should wish him the best and enjoy the games of the next generation of Flashs and Rains. | ||
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lelfreg
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On December 28 2015 03:08 Daswollvieh wrote: enjoy the games of the next generation of Flashs and Rains. Except we don't have new generation. And with the new WCS system Blizzard made sure there won't be. | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
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DSK
England1110 Posts
I wish you all the best in your future endeavours, FanTaSy | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On December 28 2015 03:14 showstealer1829 wrote: And WCS Welfare claims another victim By what logic is the WCS change responsible for this? | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On December 28 2015 03:15 Ansibled wrote: By what logic is the WCS change responsible for this? Banned by KeSPA, can't travel to foriegn tournaments any more thanks to the region lock. You tell me genius | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On December 28 2015 03:17 showstealer1829 wrote: Banned by KeSPA, can't travel to foriegn tournaments any more thanks to the region lock. You tell me genius I'm pretty sure he's not banned from competing in GSL, StarLeague, or other Korean tournaments. | ||
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Prog455
Denmark970 Posts
On December 28 2015 03:17 showstealer1829 wrote: Banned by KeSPA, can't travel to foriegn tournaments any more thanks to the region lock. You tell me genius So what you are really saying is that KeSPA has claimed another victum. | ||
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Daswollvieh
5553 Posts
On December 28 2015 03:14 lelfreg wrote: Except we don't have new generation. And with the new WCS system Blizzard made sure there won't be. There are still plenty of progamers, some of which will come out on top of the others. | ||
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Heartland
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Wrath
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On December 28 2015 03:22 Ansibled wrote: I'm pretty sure he's not banned from competing in GSL, StarLeague, or other Korean tournaments. There are only 2 seasons of each. He already failed to qualify for the first season for both (I know GSL still has qualifiers and Code A, it seems he already gave up after SSL qualifiers). That means he has nothing to do until the end of season one and then try one final time before blizzcon. | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On December 28 2015 02:01 Rollora wrote: Skillwise there are enough left, but LOTV isn't balanced yet or the meta hasn't evolved enough. Therefore you can get cheesed down as terran, since terran play is much more preditable then for instance protoss play. It will take some time to figure the game out. Its like 2014 again, when no terran besides taeja and flash won premier tournaments and 90% of the wins were toss or zerg. This will be the case for the next 12-18 monts again, and then either the meta evolves finally or blizzard agrees that there have to be some changes. Actually, in 2014 Terran won 12 premier tournaments and Protoss won 15. Terran had 13 second place finishers, and Protoss had 13 as well. Zerg won 8 with 9 second place finishers. So to say that 90% of the tournaments were won by the two other races is completely false because two races should win more than one race, and Terran won three less than Protoss. It is sad that Fantasy is retiring especially sense this year was a very good one for him, but he's been doing this for so long, and many pros do not make it as long as he did. And for those who whine about the WCS system, Blizz has changed it every single year since 2012.....if something's wrong with this system, I suspect they'll change it as well. I imagine the region lock is to foster growth in the foreign scene. Cause right now, it's tough getting into the foreign scene knowing that there is not the system in place like it is in Korea. | ||
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DonDomingo
504 Posts
Nothing lasts forever, alas. Thanks for the memories Fantasy | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On December 28 2015 03:42 WrathSCII wrote: There are only 2 seasons of each. He already failed to qualify for the first season for both (I know GSL still has qualifiers and Code A, it seems he already gave up after SSL qualifiers). That means he has nothing to do until the end of season one and then try one final time before blizzcon. He could equally have failed to qualify for IEMs etc, he still has GSL and it pays more now. We also know KeSPA cup will be at some point. | ||
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United States295 Posts
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United Kingdom8629 Posts
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MicroTastiC
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
On December 28 2015 04:01 MicroTastiC wrote: this shows how bad LoTV is. it is so pitiful. No it doesn't, it show that a guy want to do somethings else in life for whatever reason. GL Fantasy! | ||
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AWalker9
United Kingdom7229 Posts
On December 28 2015 03:22 Ansibled wrote: I'm pretty sure he's not banned from competing in GSL, StarLeague, or other Korean tournaments. So he can only play in 4 tournaments for the whole of next year, I'm sure that's going to be not demotivating at all. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On December 28 2015 04:20 AWalker9 wrote: So he can only play in 4 tournaments for the whole of next year, I'm sure that's going to be not demotivating at all. TBF there's probably going to be at least 2 Kespa Cups so there's that but yeah 6 is still much less than every DH, IEM and Gfinity, qualifying for which should also be easier | ||
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nG.Templar
France32 Posts
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Kerence
Sweden1817 Posts
Can we please have no more Korean retirements now? | ||
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No_eL
Chile1438 Posts
Sadly, everything we thought about sc future a while ago when sc2 went live is coming true =( | ||
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bObA
France300 Posts
Best of luck in your life Fantasy and thanks for all the great BW and SC games ! | ||
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Talaris
Switzerland753 Posts
On December 27 2015 23:12 SmykuToronto wrote: http://www.deadpixels.ch/a-legend-retires/ Can you add more info to the op ? | ||
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ZackAttack
United States884 Posts
It's too bad because LOTV is really really 1000 times better than the other 2 expansions. | ||
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Dungeontay
126 Posts
Except those with Visa of course | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24579 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19213 Posts
Edit: after Army of course | ||
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Canada1199 Posts
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
On December 28 2015 05:21 ZackAttack wrote: I'm beginning to think that the new WCS is really causing this. There was a large number of Korean terrains that could go to Europe and make a living dropping foreigners to death. Now they are dropping like flies. It's too bad because LOTV is really really 1000 times better than the other 2 expansions. The WCS system forces Koreans to go back to Korea, but the Kespa pro system makes it hard for them to return to the korean scene. I can understand that they don't try and rather do their service and see how things go. WoL before Blizzard went crazy with the nerfs, will always be the best though  . Or if you take alternative timelines into consideration, HotS with the Shredder . | ||
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United States1319 Posts
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Feisty
Vatican City State35 Posts
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hitthat
Poland2260 Posts
GW, WP Fanta, wish you best of luck. | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3344 Posts
Thanks for all the great moments Fanta! Good luck with whatever you do next! | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5588 Posts
Goodbye Fantasy and thanks for everything! | ||
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
The WCS changes probably did push Fantasy to retire, since he's one of the few non-Koreans competing in the foreign circuit that isn't good enough to consistently qualify for GSL/SSL. The increased prizepool for lower finishes in GSL/SSL hopefully will still make most Korean pros better off under the new system. | ||
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Sweden165 Posts
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JabuSeika
United States607 Posts
Rain, PartinG, and Fantasy would be the top 16 from last year that would be the most affected. There's no more place for mid-tier koreans, without Kespa teams. PartinG might be next, if he can't get into GSL or SSL. Then Hyun and all the rest that can't get visas to play the WCS circuit. | ||
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FromtheAbysS
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On December 28 2015 05:57 Feisty wrote: Terran feels terrible to play in lotv and its been obvious through most of the beta. The wcs system is bad for Koreans. I don't think he leaves because of your first sentence. This guy is so gifted about microing units, and LOTV is way more micro oriented than HOTS. As I read in a commentary "MediTank play" was made for him. After, the new WCS system is death for so many pro Koreans. Koreans tournaments (GSL, SSL) will be ridiculously hard, and foreign tournaments will be reserved for foreign scene. To this point, not a surprise at all that some pro koreans players decide to retire. ATM I am unable to hope some good things from the next SCII year  | ||
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United States97276 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
Sad to see them all go. Stork is already gone in a way now that he is part coach. JD is doing nothing (i think). Hope they can offer us a little more games before they go too. | ||
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Mistakes
United States1102 Posts
Merry f**king Christmas. | ||
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bjornkavist
Canada1235 Posts
Gl Fantasy, I will always remember your OSL final against Stork, and Stork finally winning that sweet sweet gold | ||
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corydoras
161 Posts
On December 28 2015 05:57 Feisty wrote: This is sad but not a suprise to see all these retirements. Terran feels terrible to play in lotv and its been obvious through most of the beta. The wcs system is bad for Koreans. At least we have more players like Lilbow who will be in the finals next year to show off the game while the most skilled players who make the game exciting to watch and inspire people to play are quitting. The numbers don't support the theory that Terrans are likely to retire. Terrans and Protosses have been retiring in almost even numbers during the last couple of months. Some notable Terrans retired (Flash, MMA, Fantasy), but notable Protoss players did that too (Rain, MC). WCS - yep, this could be a factor. Quite depends on what the Korean scene can offer this year besides GSL/SSL/SPL. | ||
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iSometric
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On December 28 2015 07:19 corydoras wrote: The numbers don't support the theory that Terrans are likely to retire. Terrans and Protosses have been retiring in almost even numbers during the last couple of months. Some notable Terrans retired (Flash, MMA, Fantasy), but notable Protoss players did that too (Rain, MC). WCS - yep, this could be a factor. Quite depends on what the Korean scene can offer this year besides GSL/SSL/SPL. Well, it supports it in the sense that the last high profile Zerg that retired was Revival. Cause if in regards to balance the Terran/Protoss retired, the Zerg would be less likely to retire. Though Terran seems to be doing decently well versus Zerg, so who knows? Also....is MC actually retired? At Homestory, they said he still plays a several hours a day. | ||
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Rollora
2450 Posts
On December 28 2015 03:42 FrkFrJss wrote: Actually, in 2014 Terran won 12 premier tournaments and Protoss won 15. Terran had 13 second place finishers, and Protoss had 13 as well. Zerg won 8 with 9 second place finishers. So to say that 90% of the tournaments were won by the two other races is completely false because two races should win more than one race, and Terran won three less than Protoss. I agree, i had the numbers wrong: I meant that most terrans dropped out prematurely (or whatever the term is) like we had 2-3x RO16 with 1-2 Terrans in GSL and other tourneys. That there still was a terran victory is basically even more proof how great these players (Taeja, Flash...) were | ||
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Feisty
Vatican City State35 Posts
On December 28 2015 07:19 corydoras wrote: The numbers don't support the theory that Terrans are likely to retire. Terrans and Protosses have been retiring in almost even numbers during the last couple of months. Some notable Terrans retired (Flash, MMA, Fantasy), but notable Protoss players did that too (Rain, MC). WCS - yep, this could be a factor. Quite depends on what the Korean scene can offer this year besides GSL/SSL/SPL. MC has been semi retired for a while now. Rain retired because of a unique situation with his father. MMA and Fantasy were pushed out because of the WCS changes. I think Flash retired because he's never liked SC2 as much as BW and he didn't like the direction that Blizzard took with Terran in SC2. Flash isn't that old, was on a Kespa team, and was still one of the better Terran's, so the timing of his retirement says to me that he didn't like the game very much. | ||
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United States4001 Posts
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Germany38463 Posts
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CynicalDeath
Italy3218 Posts
...what a terran we're going to miss here... damn! | ||
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United States3483 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On December 28 2015 07:50 Feisty wrote: MC has been semi retired for a while now. Rain retired because of a unique situation with his father. MMA and Fantasy were pushed out because of the WCS changes. I think Flash retired because he's never liked SC2 as much as BW and he didn't like the direction that Blizzard took with Terran in SC2. Flash isn't that old, was on a Kespa team, and was still one of the better Terran's, so the timing of his retirement says to me that he didn't like the game very much. MMA was not pushed out by the WCS changes. He had planned retiring last year before doing well at Blizzcon then decide to do one more year. Now he's leaving because he's 27 and has to do his military service before he's 30. | ||
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TurboMaN
Germany925 Posts
Best of luck in your future. The SC2 scene just got smaller by a ton. | ||
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Feisty
Vatican City State35 Posts
On December 28 2015 08:02 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: MMA was not pushed out by the WCS changes. He had planned retiring last year before doing well at Blizzcon then decide to do one more year. Now he's leaving because he's 27 and has to do his military service before he's 30. Last year and this year MMA won a HSC, Dreamhack, and WCS EU. With the WCS changes he wouldn't have been able to participate in any of those tournaments if they were held next year and might not have qualified for Blizzcon. I'm sure age is a factor but it seems like his recent performance at international events would motivate him to keep playing if he were allowed to. | ||
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United Kingdom6330 Posts
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aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
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vult
United States9400 Posts
Rip Fantasy. GL in the future | ||
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United States1277 Posts
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MoonyD
Australia191 Posts
Not that I'm complaining as I personally don't enjoy LoTV anymore, but I feel that it's bad for the Starcraft Scene given that if LoTV starts tanking, Blizzard may abandon it sooner rather than later. | ||
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United States336 Posts
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United States696 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On December 28 2015 09:29 20-Minute-Jackal wrote: I'm seeing a lot of korean pros retiring, but my question is, are there any new korean players coming into the scene to replace them? No. And that is a much bigger deal for the Korean scene than the retirements. Retirements happens, but with basically no new players replacing them the Korean scene is on a massive decline. I believe there was only 1 new player signed by any Kespa team in 2015 (not including those girls on MVP). | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On December 28 2015 09:29 20-Minute-Jackal wrote: I'm seeing a lot of korean pros retiring, but my question is, are there any new korean players coming into the scene to replace them? Nope and with the changes to WCS there won't be either | ||
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Canada65 Posts
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yoshi245
United States2969 Posts
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On December 27 2015 23:24 Liquid`Zephyr wrote: T____________T no one did vultures like fantasy will be severly missed. thanks for all the ggs And he will, see him on afreeca soon. | ||
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RHoudini
Belgium3627 Posts
Many thanks for the games, FanTaSy, and good luck with all your future endeavors! | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On December 28 2015 09:44 showstealer1829 wrote: Nope and with the changes to WCS there won't be either Yes I'm sure all the up and coming new Korean players would have flown out to IEMs and the like, placed in the top 4 so they are able to earn the same amount they will get from Code A next year. It doesn't really matter if you don't like the WCS changes, it's just lazy to blame everything on them. This problem would still exist without WCS and the new system looks like it offers better incentives to upcoming players in Korea. | ||
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munch
Mute City2363 Posts
On December 28 2015 05:37 Caihead wrote: Best Starcraft player to never win a Starcraft 2 tournament. Squirtle says hi | ||
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Korakys
New Zealand272 Posts
Sad to see him leave. In an appraisal of the best players to never win a SC2 tournament he would surely make the shortlist. | ||
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
I hope you're taking notice. The new WCS system is absolutely awful and I wouldn't be surprised if this wave of retirements continues into the new year. Really terrible judgement call on their part IMO. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On December 28 2015 10:55 thecrazymunchkin wrote: Everybody should watch his matches against TRUE, especially this one and this one. Squirtle says hi Note I said Starcraft player, not Starcraft II. | ||
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
Good luck Fantasy! | ||
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munch
Mute City2363 Posts
On December 28 2015 11:14 Caihead wrote: Note I said Starcraft player, not Starcraft II. Then that's a whole different argument which I'll defer to others There are a decent few to choose from there... | ||
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redloser
Korea (South)1721 Posts
I still remember his game vs soO... | ||
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pEcul!Ar
52 Posts
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bObA
France300 Posts
On December 28 2015 10:55 thecrazymunchkin wrote: Everybody should watch his matches against TRUE, especially this one and this one. Squirtle says hi Sick games indeed | ||
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jinyung2
Luxembourg1455 Posts
On December 28 2015 11:35 deathgod6 wrote: How long until Fantasy streams on Afreeca and gets invited into the next SSL? is there even going to be a next SSL? i thought sonic's being sued for scamming his investors or something lol also didnt he post that stuff a while back about how he cant find anyone else who wants to sponsor it? chance of SSL happening any time soon seems very slim | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19213 Posts
On December 28 2015 11:17 thecrazymunchkin wrote: Then that's a whole different argument which I'll defer to others There are a decent few to choose from there... Bisu says hi. | ||
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Thrillz
4313 Posts
I feel like SC2 is like..Super Smash Bros. Brawl... | ||
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Cashling
United States49 Posts
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ndesktop
Romania109 Posts
On December 28 2015 14:24 Thrillz wrote: So who's next to fall? Jaedong? Hydra? Gumiho? Polt? PartinG? Hyun? Bomber? Any guesses? I feel like SC2 is like..Super Smash Bros. Brawl... PartinG, then Jaedong. | ||
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United States470 Posts
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
Still, until Jaedong retires, I remain hopeful. When he leaves, I may go with him. | ||
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jekku
Canada1640 Posts
So sad. | ||
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Czech Republic95 Posts
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
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Rasputincz
Czech Republic95 Posts
On December 28 2015 18:23 KingofdaHipHop wrote: dude people join sports and leave sports all the time.t I'm still gonna watch and support Starcraft because it'll still be around and so will many others. I understand also I agree. Circulation of retiring and new players gives the game the longevity in long term. But can you name me atleast three players from S. Korea that "joined" SC2 "still so-called pro scene?" How so that BW has more viewers than SC2 nowadays and that a lot of Koreans rather play BW again (sorry for that rhetorical question). | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
On December 28 2015 18:27 Rasputincz wrote: I understand also I agree. Circulation of retiring and new players gives the game the longevity in long term. But can you name me atleast three players from S. Korea that "joined" SC2 "still so-called pro scene?" How so that BW has more viewers than SC2 nowadays and that a lot of Koreans rather play BW again (sorry for that rhetorical question). Player streams aren't as popular for SC2, but tournaments still get really good viewership and there is a demand for tournaments so the pro scene in that sense is good. You do have a point though in that there isn't a lot being done to foster new talent, we haven't had a breakout star from Korean since Solar so I think we need to do something about that. Also I think a lot of Koreans are streaming BW because a) the money is good and b) it's a game that they grew up with and really and enjoy and have a passion. The same can be said about Sc2 both competitively and casually imo | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On December 28 2015 07:22 iSometric wrote: Best of luck to him. I was a big fan of him in BW and SC2. Rofl. That battlecruiser. Who was it against ? I don't remember. I don't know that korean name | ||
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nighcol
298 Posts
On December 28 2015 18:17 Rasputincz wrote: whole sc2 esports scene "if it can be even called scene" should be shut down entirely. Moderators warning and banning for simply saying the truth "Starcraft 2 DOESNT HAVE any progaming scene anymore" are ridiculous. Dont hide. Face the truth. Our love and passion is gone for good... Oh please. There is still a considerable scene. We have players that are true professionals both in Korea and outside of it. Seems like it has shrunk on the Korean side, while lots of foreigners seem to have renewed interest for obvious reasons. Even the closest thing to compare to, BW, is still much smaller and I don't think there is anyone that is doing it professionally. Games like Quake lingered on with much less support for a long time and there many titles that have never been anywhere near the level of current SC2 and still managed to have meaningful competitive play. | ||
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c3rberUs
Japan11285 Posts
On December 28 2015 18:51 FFW_Rude wrote: Rofl. That battlecruiser. Who was it against ? I don't remember. I don't know that korean name Calm (or maybe Clam) | ||
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Swisslink
2949 Posts
-> New WCS System -> Koreans retire -> more and more Koreans lose interest -> Less competition for foreigners -> Foreigners are better in comparison -> a foreigner wins Blizzcon because all the Koreans are gone -> success! It's sad to see so many Koreans go. But let's face it: for these foreign-Koreans, there was basically no other way out due to the new WCS system and I think that's really bad. Making one region stronger and give them more money by destroying another scene just seems odd to me. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
Oh yeah it was Calm. Thanks On December 28 2015 19:38 Swisslink wrote: Well, seems like Blizzard's plan to make the foreign scene stronger really works! -> New WCS System -> Koreans retire -> more and more Koreans lose interest -> Less competition for foreigners -> Foreigners are better in comparison -> a foreigner wins Blizzcon because all the Koreans are gone -> success! It's sad to see so many Koreans go. But let's face it: for these foreign-Koreans, there was basically no other way out due to the new WCS system and I think that's really bad. Making one region stronger and give them more money by destroying another scene just seems odd to me. Yeah since Fantasy was apparently banned by Kespa he had nowhere to go | ||
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Espartaquen
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DwD
Sweden8621 Posts
Please start playing BW again Fantasy! | ||
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
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Titusmaster6
United States5937 Posts
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lastride
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
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Taco87
Norway72 Posts
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Kittan
Poland3999 Posts
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
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BladeMasterPro
24 Posts
But as the old legends leave, new legends will be made | ||
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SCguineapig
Netherlands289 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
i always enjoyed watching him play or stream | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44049 Posts
Who becomes the successor of the Fantasy GG Timing? | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On December 28 2015 10:43 Ansibled wrote: Yes I'm sure all the up and coming new Korean players would have flown out to IEMs and the like, placed in the top 4 so they are able to earn the same amount they will get from Code A next year. It doesn't really matter if you don't like the WCS changes, it's just lazy to blame everything on them. This problem would still exist without WCS and the new system looks like it offers better incentives to upcoming players in Korea. They would still have to qualify for Code A, which is harder and of a higher quality than ANY IEM or DH that they would have been flown out for, plus if they fail and they're not a main team KeSPA guy on a proleague team they have nothing to do for half the year thanks to the WCS changes. In short. I stand by my original statement | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On December 29 2015 00:20 showstealer1829 wrote: They would still have to qualify for Code A, which is harder and of a higher quality than ANY IEM or DH that they would have been flown out for, plus if they fail and they're not a main team KeSPA guy on a proleague team they have nothing to do for half the year thanks to the WCS changes. In short. I stand by my original statement How is qualifying for Code A harder than winning the Korean qualifiers for IEM? There are other Korean tournaments, but the problem of doing nothing would exist in either system if they failed to qualify for events. Should probably make another thread to talk about this so it doesn't clutter FanTaSy's retirement thread up more though. | ||
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pr0n3d91
18 Posts
Go play brood war will be much more fun :D | ||
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REyeM
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On December 29 2015 00:51 REyeM wrote: In retrospect it wasn't very smart from Rain, Fanta, Soulkey etc. to break their contracts with SK Telecom and to get banned from KeSPA teams for lifetime (in progaming years). But then again maybe they wanted to retire anyway and wanted to spend time abroad first. wat. I didn't know about this. Why? o_O | ||
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
I'm sure he meant in terms of Proleague. They're not actually banned from the teams, but what team would pay Rain's salary when the guy can't actually play? I see where REyeM is coming from. Especially in DRG's case, although you didn't mention him. That was always completely bizarre to me. Guy left a Korean team to go abroad, without having a foreign team lined up, right before a new year with new WCS rules, right before new expansion that could make him look very unappealing if he didn't adapt to the game faster than others. Whhaaaatttt? That's a career ending move if ever I've seen one. Now two+ months later still no foreign team, no Korean team, and no proleague forever even if he comes back. And he's not super likely to get invited to lots of foreign backed invitationals, compared to some other Koreans (eg parting). I don't see how DRG isn't another retirement just waiting to happen. | ||
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REyeM
2674 Posts
On December 29 2015 01:11 pure.Wasted wrote: I'm sure he meant in terms of Proleague. They're not actually banned from the teams, but what team would pay Rain's salary when the guy can't actually play? I see where REyeM is coming from. Especially in DRG's case, although you didn't mention him. That was always completely bizarre to me. Guy left a Korean team to go abroad, without having a foreign team lined up, right before a new year with new WCS rules, right before new expansion that could make him look very unappealing if he didn't adapt to the game faster than others. Whhaaaatttt? That's a career ending move if ever I've seen one. Now two+ months later still no foreign team, no Korean team, and no proleague forever even if he comes back. And he's not super likely to get invited to lots of foreign backed invitationals, compared to some other Koreans (eg parting). I don't see how DRG isn't another retirement just waiting to happen. I don't think DRG broke any contracts. Pretty sure hes able to play in proleague for any time at this point. I meant specifically players that were involved in: www.teamliquid.net And yeah, sorry, I meant banned from playing in proleague which pretty much means nobody will sign them. Atleast not for decent $$ | ||
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
On December 29 2015 01:22 REyeM wrote: I don't think DRG broke any contracts. Pretty sure hes able to play in proleague for any time at this point. I meant specifically players that were involved in: www.teamliquid.net Weird. DRG was only on SBENU for six months. Are KeSPA contracts measured in PL seasons instead of calendar years? | ||
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Silvana
3713 Posts
On December 29 2015 01:22 REyeM wrote: And yeah, sorry, I meant banned from playing in proleague which pretty much means nobody will sign them. Atleast not for decent $$ They're not banned from playing Proleague either afaik... Just that their rights belong to SKT, so they have to either rejoin SKT or make SKT sell/gift the rights to other team. I think we should stop calling it a ban, it confuses a lot of people | ||
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REyeM
2674 Posts
On December 29 2015 01:27 pure.Wasted wrote: Weird. DRG was only on SBENU for six months. Are KeSPA contracts measured in PL seasons instead of calendar years? Idk but I'm pretty sure he left after regular season ended plus no one said anything about it so I'm sure he'll be okay. I think the problem is when you like sign a contract for 5 years/seasons and leave after 2, 3 etc. | ||
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DimmuKlok
United States225 Posts
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
Though I am a Zerg player, I know a good player when I see one. Flash could be one of the greatest gamers ever lived. Still, he didn't manage to overshadow other terrans, like of Fantasy's caliber. When Youtube shows me suggestions which are Starcraft games, I cannot watch them all. But when Fantasy plays, I have to watch it. Jangbi maybe won the last two times, but I still like Fantasy. Fantasy, a player who defined terran gameplay. | ||
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OrangeGarage
Korea (South)319 Posts
For me, Boxer's lineage ends here. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On December 29 2015 09:01 RCCar wrote: I come to this thread just to make sure this isn't a big dream... FanTaSy reminds me of Boxer with everything he does. The hours of practice he put in to keep up with the latest meta, leaving SKT1 for uncharted waters just so he could show as many possible games to his fans while he still had time. So reminiscent of Boxer as he grew to be an old gamer and later transitioned to WoL.... I think FanTaSy is the only player that can actually be called the heir to Boxer other than iloveoov. For me, Boxer's lineage ends here. sSak is next in line for me. He uses a lot of the builds FanTaSy got from oov and still plays like a true SKTerran. | ||
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drifterr
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iSometric
2221 Posts
On December 28 2015 18:51 FFW_Rude wrote: Rofl. That battlecruiser. Who was it against ? I don't remember. I don't know that korean name Yep, it was after Calm 4 pooled twice, then Fantasy busted out the dancing BC's. | ||
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Spinoza
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sushiman
Sweden2691 Posts
Sad to see him go as one of the last big veterans.. | ||
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GreenTea
Netherlands17 Posts
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Wrath
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GreenTea
Netherlands17 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On December 30 2015 01:51 WrathSCII wrote: which KeSPA players are still in SC2 since the KeSPA transition in 2012? Rain comes to mind. I think a good number still are, it's just that all the big names have started to retire - not entirely surprising since the big names we've all heard legends about are getting a bit old. Innovation. Soulkey. Solar(ish). Just look up the old KeSPA teams, I'm sure you'll find more than you were expecting. | ||
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Elentos
55459 Posts
On December 30 2015 01:58 IntoTheheart wrote: Rain comes to mind. I think a good number still are, it's just that all the big names have started to retire - not entirely surprising since the big names we've all heard legends about are getting a bit old. Innovation. Soulkey. Solar(ish). Just look up the old KeSPA teams, I'm sure you'll find more than you were expecting. Rain retired m8 you're out of the loop. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On December 30 2015 01:51 WrathSCII wrote: which KeSPA players are still in SC2 since the KeSPA transition in 2012? There's a lot. Ty for example. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
My mistake for only watching 3 hours of SC a week. How've you been, mate? edit: BLOODY HELL, MAN. He retired 8 days ago. I've been avoiding TL Prime recently because I didn't want spoilers for LOTV, but I've beaten it now, which is why I'm back. | ||
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Elentos
55459 Posts
On December 30 2015 02:04 IntoTheheart wrote: My mistake for only watching 3 hours of SC a week. How've you been, mate? Doing fine. To answer that original question about players from the KeSPA transition, btw, here are players from the BW/SC2 hybrid Proleague that are still active (and played BW in that league): TY, Classic, Reality, Bbyong, Zest, Stats, Rogue, Inno, Soulkey, Trap, Stork, sOs, CJ herO, soO, Hydra, Dear, Cure, Sacsri | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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jinyung2
Luxembourg1455 Posts
On December 30 2015 01:51 WrathSCII wrote: which KeSPA players are still in SC2 since the KeSPA transition in 2012? theres some of the younger gen i think like dear baby and uh probably some others | ||
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CptWobbles
Germany2 Posts
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jonich0n
United States1982 Posts
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SuperFanBoy
New Zealand1068 Posts
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