Fezvez's' Co-op guide and hero review - Page 2

On November 17 2015 07:23 ChristianS wrote:

I see a pretty big difference between "vultures are bad" and "vultures require APM." Personally, I find the multitasking aspect of these fun, and anyway, they don't really require much more attention than keeping half your army back to defend. Frequently there will be a dynamic where, for instance, the game throws two attacks at you from different directions, while simultaneously expecting you to go after some objective that's out of your base. With ~20 supply of vultures and maybe a few turrets, you can just ignore one of those attacks, kill the other with your entire bio ball, and then go after the objective.

I'd consider it way more of an APM sink, and way more difficult, to split your army in half, and then try to micro both armies to defend both attacks while retaining enough bio that you'll still be able to go after the objective. Kiting with vultures is way easier than kiting with bio, for instance, and kiting with bio is usually what you have to do against the red hybrid anyway.

On top of all that, vultures are so cheap! You'll have to get a factory anyway, and you can easily just put a tech lab on it, research the 50/50 for the replenishment upgrade, and queue out vultures one at a time. Alternatively if you find them that useful, you can add just one more factory with reactor and get two at a time without even sacrificing your ability to make tanks. I mean, you're complaining about the resources lost on replenishing mines, but in the average attack against your base would you lose more than 8 marines? Because spending all 24 mines from 8 vultures and replenishing them costs less than 8 marines, and if I defended one of those attacks with all the hybrid and such only losing 8 marines, I'd call that a huge win.

I mean, don't build vultures if you don't want to, I don't care. But I'm amazed that vultures got specifically mentioned in your review as being bad, while you suggested people build battlecruisers. Every single game I've tried to make battlecruisers they've basically just been wasted supply.

On November 17 2015 11:07 fezvez wrote:


I think my intent was not conveyed clearly, and my first answer was not adequate. I stated that Raynor is a mineral heavy character because of MULEs. Consequently, you would spam marines. You could alternatively spam vultures, which I suggested against. I personally have tried once with moderate success mass vultures + battlecruisers, a game which I won in the end, but which would have been much quicker and less ugly with almost any other unit composition.

I did not state that vultures are beyond terrible, that there is never a reason to make them, or anything along those lines. I recognize that small amount of vultures are really good early game (solo waves 2 to 4), but I feel that there are better use of your APM in the endgame when you cruise around with your 200/200 around the map. They can still be good in the right hands, but that was not my point at all in the OP. My point was what you could dump your minerals into.

To repeat once again, mass vultures is fun, but terrible. Spend your 5k minerals in turrets and marines

On November 17 2015 20:34 Destructicon wrote:
Wait a minute Monk, are you telling me that Hercules can pick up sieged tanks?

On November 17 2015 20:34 Destructicon wrote:
Wait a minute Monk, are you telling me that Hercules can pick up sieged tanks?

On November 17 2015 20:34 Destructicon wrote:
Wait a minute Monk, are you telling me that Hercules can pick up sieged tanks?

On November 17 2015 19:26 monk wrote:
VLUTURES R FUN