EPTFeel free to use this thread to ask any simple questions you might have about the mission, or for tips/help/advice on completing the mission.
[TLCH] Epilogue 3: Finale
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Feel free to use this thread to ask any simple questions you might have about the mission, or for tips/help/advice on completing the mission. | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
- Use extinction (on Kerrigan) to set up for killing Void crystals - Ultralisks are broken as hell with Kerrigans AoE heal - Hydra/Muta for AA when necessary - Greed super hard early on (i.e. double expand and fully saturate) before moving out, a few spines/spores to defend will be good enough as a stall if Kerrigan is off somewhere (teleport back if needed) | ||
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HeroMystic
United States1217 Posts
Keep A few Ultras with Hydras to protect your base, and spread your creep. Again, this is a really easy mission. | ||
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Bidj
France98 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13974 Posts
On November 12 2015 02:55 ZAiNs wrote: Any ideas on how to beat this on Brutal with no Ultralisks? Pashun? Honestly I felt like this was a very weak finale. Not impressive. | ||
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fezvez
France3021 Posts
On November 12 2015 02:55 ZAiNs wrote: Any ideas on how to beat this on Brutal with no Ultralisks? I just went HotS all over again and simply went hydra roach (plus brood lord toward midgame). Roachlings tank all the damage, they are wonderful. The only thing that you have to be careful about is spamming heal constantly, otherwise you may lose all your hydralisks to the slow AoE damage Didn't build a single ultralisk (next time, I need to do it, they are OP?) | ||
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fezvez
France3021 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On November 12 2015 04:05 fezvez wrote: I just went HotS all over again and simply went hydra roach (plus brood lord toward midgame). Roachlings tank all the damage, they are wonderful. The only thing that you have to be careful about is spamming heal constantly, otherwise you may lose all your hydralisks to the slow AoE damage Didn't build a single ultralisk (next time, I need to do it, they are OP?) Ultralisks are insanely broken. I literally only made Ultralisks and don't think I lost a single one, I had a ridiculous bank and Amon only killed one of my bases. | ||
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7798 Posts
EDIT: Never mind, it comes around eventually. Just need to wait FOREVER. Need to make smart use of your map clear to stay alive. | ||
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
Muta regen so fast you can kill the things as they fly around. When you take damage go over land to heal for a bit then go back. | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
roach/hydra is still the best and it works in brutal | ||
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rangi
New Zealand24 Posts
Made 200/200 of 3/3 mutas including sacking all of my drones. Flew around sniping the Void crystals and avoided everything else. I also snuck drones out to the terran and protoss bases and built a hatch there for when they inevitably kill my bases. | ||
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
I was able to do it with a huge pack of mutas on Hard, but brutal not so much. | ||
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Valefort
France228 Posts
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
On November 12 2015 10:35 Valefort wrote: Double expand, saturate, press R to make 800 roaches & mutas then go around the map with 200 pop and spam heal with Kerrigan, that last mission was less challenging than many others ! Which doesnt actually answer my question | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On November 12 2015 08:36 Darpa wrote: how do you get kerrigan over to the islands? Overlords don't carry or spread creep so I have no idea how I'm supposed to get over there to get the stones that are floating around. I was able to do it with a huge pack of mutas on Hard, but brutal not so much. There's more than 7 void crystals, but you only need to kill 7 of them. Just gotta be patient, one will float by the accessible area above artanis's base eventually. | ||
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jinjin5000
United States1426 Posts
God damnit. Ultras are useles vs air while my base gets sniped and i watch the crystal slowly come over to land. | ||
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FanaticCZ
Czech Republic287 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On November 12 2015 21:27 FanaticCZ wrote: Actually this mission gave me a really hard time. I killed 6/7 of those easily although slowly losing my bases in the process. But the seventh crystal was a pain. I was using mass ultralisk and the last crystal appeared in the top right on the edge of the surface and Kerrigan was narrowly able to snipe it right in time with her special ability while all of my ultras were meatshielding her from Amons battlecruisers and banshees. Really close in the end. Amon destroying my bases never was an issue for me. If you double expand and saturate asap you mine out of minerals right around the time Amon blows up the base. | ||
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
On November 12 2015 21:33 Plexa wrote: Amon destroying my bases never was an issue for me. If you double expand and saturate asap you mine out of minerals right around the time Amon blows up the base. Yeah that was my experience as well. | ||
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FanaticCZ
Czech Republic287 Posts
On November 12 2015 21:33 Plexa wrote: Amon destroying my bases never was an issue for me. If you double expand and saturate asap you mine out of minerals right around the time Amon blows up the base. Same with me but the problem was that I couldnt make more stuff since ive lost my hatcheries when the bases got overrun. I had a huge bank even at the end. | ||
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Mastermyth
Netherlands207 Posts
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
On November 12 2015 12:19 Plexa wrote: There's more than 7 void crystals, but you only need to kill 7 of them. Just gotta be patient, one will float by the accessible area above artanis's base eventually. Oh I didnt know that. Thanks | ||
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frazzle
United States468 Posts
I had 6 of the 7 crystals spawn between mine and Raynor and mine and Artanis's bases, so on creep and easy to get to and kill. For the last one I just used Kerrigan's "kill-all" thing, then sacced Kerrigan against anti-air as she accompanied 12 or so Broodlords to the island it was on. Broodlords killed it ezpz. | ||
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Louuster
Canada2869 Posts
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CakeSauc3
United States1437 Posts
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Destructicon
4713 Posts
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nimdil
Poland3748 Posts
EDIT nvm | ||
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Starparty
Sweden1963 Posts
On November 13 2015 15:09 Louuster wrote: So I've restarted this about 10 times, either I'm missing something or doing it way wrong. Mass ultras kinda work and I can kill a few crystals, but it gets to a point where I cant even get to the ones the other corners of the map without having to fight through like 3 spawn camp things but before I'm halfway through, I have to run back and defend. I've tried just move commanding through the camps but with so much stuff on the ground + the aoe stun it becomes a pathfinding nightmare and everything dies. Kerrigan has an ability that kills all units on the map (does 300 dmg to every enemy unit). Are you using that?  | ||
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jinjin5000
United States1426 Posts
I just need to make Ultra-Broodlords Broodlords broodlign tank damage and draw fire away from the towers while broodlord as their numbers stack deal incredible dps. Ultras tank everythign and just dont die. Island crystal? Just send 30 broodlords over and it will be down without ANY damage done to your broodlords. On November 14 2015 11:26 KrisElmqvist wrote: Kerrigan has an ability that kills all units on the map (does 300 dmg to every enemy unit). Are you using that? She had that? Well that would maek this campaign much easier but I didn't need to use it with ultra-BL | ||
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Brutaxilos
United States2629 Posts
On November 12 2015 02:55 ZAiNs wrote: Any ideas on how to beat this on Brutal with no Ultralisks? Can't speak for Brutal but I managed to beat it on Hard with only Roach Hydra | ||
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Dingodile
4133 Posts
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lestye
United States4163 Posts
On November 12 2015 07:22 rangi wrote: I did the full muta method. Made 200/200 of 3/3 mutas including sacking all of my drones. Flew around sniping the Void crystals and avoided everything else. I also snuck drones out to the terran and protoss bases and built a hatch there for when they inevitably kill my bases. I really love this method. Because, honestly? Fuck this map, and fuck these giant ass crystals with a million health. So nice to wait up and just snipe all the objectives with no one bothering you. | ||
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Dingodile
4133 Posts
On November 12 2015 07:22 rangi wrote: I did the full muta method. Made 200/200 of 3/3 mutas including sacking all of my drones. Flew around sniping the Void crystals and avoided everything else. I also snuck drones out to the terran and protoss bases and built a hatch there for when they inevitably kill my bases. Very smart idea Lair and Spire.You dont die if you have no structures anymore. I had this scenario after I killed 6/7 void crystals. | ||
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annedeman
Netherlands350 Posts
On November 14 2015 19:45 Dingodile wrote: melee units can attack all void crystals? I only remember that 2 void crystals were on land. I also never used kerrigans speels except her heal one. 14min done under normal difficulty with roach+hydra. there keep spawning new void crystals, in my mono ultra run i only killed land based void crystals | ||
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annedeman
Netherlands350 Posts
On November 15 2015 00:29 annedeman wrote: there keep spawning new void crystals(and old ones go away after a while), in my mono ultra run i only killed land based void crystals ps.oops i quoted myself instead of editting | ||
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JohnGreggor
Canada148 Posts
On November 14 2015 06:07 nimdil wrote: I'm somehow always loosing few units to terrain destruction. Any suggestions? EDIT nvm I've replayed it twice on normal, killed all my units except a mutalisk hit squad and drones, backed off my drones and had them canabalize each other before the hatch destruction hits, and still can't get this achievement. Any tips on what could be killing something? Is there a terrain destruction that hits mutas or does kerrigan count? | ||
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wasilix
Russian Federation80 Posts
On November 11 2015 21:16 Plexa wrote: So I got wrecked the first time I did this. But then I stopped derping and the level was super easy. Basically - Use extinction (on Kerrigan) to set up for killing Void crystals - Ultralisks are broken as hell with Kerrigans AoE heal - Hydra/Muta for AA when necessary - Greed super hard early on (i.e. double expand and fully saturate) before moving out, a few spines/spores to defend will be good enough as a stall if Kerrigan is off somewhere (teleport back if needed) This mission felt so easy. I've been derping my first attempt (lost my army on first crystal - lings and roaches mostly, clearing void thingies spawning enemy units - I thought they are my objectives at first xD) and still won... Ultras broken, aoe heal helps keeping alive even hydras, so i've just been spamming heal on cd every time I was fighting pillars and that is my detailed "guide" for this mission :D | ||
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MyrionSC
Denmark140 Posts
On November 15 2015 17:31 wasilix wrote: This mission felt so easy. I've been derping my first attempt (lost my army on first crystal - lings and roaches mostly, clearing void thingies spawning enemy units - I thought they are my objectives at first xD) and still won... Ultras broken, aoe heal helps keeping alive even hydras, so i've just been spamming heal on cd every time I was fighting pillars and that is my detailed "guide" for this mission :D Pretty much what I did, except broods as well. For some reason they are super fast on this mission. If you have the minerals to throw hatches down all around the map it gets even easier, as you can teleport your whole army all around the map. | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8304 Posts
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InfCereal
Canada1759 Posts
On November 16 2015 07:47 TheDougler wrote: Interesting, I found broodlords to be the only effective unit for this map on hard, but I guess I didn't try ultras. Make a round of ultras, then only hydralisks and walk around spamming kerrigan's heal. It's kind of stupid. | ||
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DinosaurJones
United States1000 Posts
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SnowfaLL
Canada730 Posts
I'm hoping the Hard difficulty will be quite drastically easier - I dunno how I'll ever get 3 crystals in 60 seconds if its anything like brutal where things regenerate and huge armies pop up in seconds! | ||
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KiF1rE
United States964 Posts
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
I actually found this mission really easy, no saves were needed. Basic strat - Start: Double expand and take all gases. Fully saturate right off. Expanded out the creep tumors about 3-4 screen infront of the expands to see attacks coming. Tech to hive. Place all your unit production buildings. Place 3 evos (and max upgrades) and 2 spires (max upgrades) and start upgrading. Make one greater spire. Now, you just make ~15 ultras, 20 broodlords and the rest hydras. get to 200/200 Then literally just A click around the map. Spam Kerrigans heal and Micro broodlords a little. You are literally unkillable as long are you are spamming heal. I dont know if it matters if you lose your base or not, but I would teleport back to my base if it was being attacked (or used extinction). I think I had to replaced maybe 10-15 hydras during the whole mission - mostly early when didnt spam heal for a few seconds while using Q on crystals. I stopped pressing Q a few crystals in, just no need with the broodlords. They can solo a crystal in about 20ish seconds. I had ultras with 40+ kills and broodlords with 60+. | ||
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nLgzHungryHiPPo
United States3 Posts
Select hatch, build max drones, select all drones, right click the Terran main base, split the group and with the remaining 4 drones right click the Protoss main base, then micro both groups past the newly generated hostiles (or use kerrigans kill all ability) then move them into the npc bases to have the npcs kill off any chasing enemy units. Then start building extractors on the NPCs expansions and enjoy your insane gas income thanks to 8 extra extractors :D Seriously was the only thing fun about this extremely easy mission. 1-shot with 3/3 200/200 muta ball. Edit: Oh yeah, max drones after all extractors are built on npc bases, defend with the few forces you start with, then build macro hatches as well because why not? | ||
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SnowfaLL
Canada730 Posts
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
Quite APM intensive to keep spamming the heal while macroing in the beginning. Honestly the void totems were annoying as fuck, don't pay attention and suddenly 50 supply gone | ||
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HeroMystic
United States1217 Posts
On November 16 2015 11:12 SnowfaLL wrote: Are most of you guys saying its easy playing on brutal?? I found this probably the hardest mission in the game on Brutal.. even with 3-3 ultras and hydras backing it, so hard. Had a hard ass time getting even the ground crystals, then snuck 24 mutas out and warped 12 into broodlords in the middle of the map to kill the last one (barely, they were about to die) - hard.. I'm hoping the Hard difficulty will be quite drastically easier - I dunno how I'll ever get 3 crystals in 60 seconds if its anything like brutal where things regenerate and huge armies pop up in seconds! As long as you spam Kerrigan's heal your Ultras can A-move across the map. That's what I did all game long. There's also more than 7 crystals, so you don't need to go for that random-assed floating crystal. | ||
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SiaBBo
Finland132 Posts
EDIT: Nevermind, it finally popped. | ||
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Thezzy
Netherlands2117 Posts
On November 18 2015 06:29 SiaBBo wrote: So about the mastery achievement. I made 200/200 mutas and flew and kill 3 crystals in less than 1 minute of each other but the achievement doesn't pop up? :B Maybe you got #3 within a minute of #2 and #2 within a minute of #1? I think you have to get both #2 and #3 within 60 seconds of getting #1. So if you kill #1 on 13:37, #2 and #3 need to be dead before 14:37. I guess an easier way to do it would be to weaken each crystal first and then finish them off at the same time. | ||
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DrSeRRoD
United States490 Posts
On November 18 2015 06:29 SiaBBo wrote: So about the mastery achievement. I made 200/200 mutas and flew and kill 3 crystals in less than 1 minute of each other but the achievement doesn't pop up? :B EDIT: Nevermind, it finally popped. Yea looks like you have to kill them all within a minute of the first. | ||
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KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
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DrSeRRoD
United States490 Posts
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
Don't lose any army units to terran destruction abilities in the "Amon's Fall" mission on Normal difficulty. Does this mean something in particular, or just: Don't lose any army units at all? I mean: Does the phrase "terran destruction abilities", mean that some damage is counted, and some not? Edit: I never found out, but I did it without losing any units, so no worrries. | ||
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Ludwigvan
Germany2371 Posts
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polpot
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kudlaty_true
Poland158 Posts
On November 16 2015 11:12 SnowfaLL wrote: Are most of you guys saying its easy playing on brutal?? I found this probably the hardest mission in the game on Brutal.. even with 3-3 ultras and hydras backing it, so hard. Had a hard ass time getting even the ground crystals, then snuck 24 mutas out and warped 12 into broodlords in the middle of the map to kill the last one (barely, they were about to die) - hard.. I'm hoping the Hard difficulty will be quite drastically easier - I dunno how I'll ever get 3 crystals in 60 seconds if its anything like brutal where things regenerate and huge armies pop up in seconds! I don't know why do you have so much problem with this, but I can tell you that I'm a silver league level player and I roflstomped through this mission on brutal. These are few reasons, or inspirations for you: 1. Kerrigan heal ability wich you can spam every... 3-4 seconds? 2. Ultras with the above. 3. Brood lords with the above. 4. Pretty much every unit with the above. Just hit F2, A+click on the map and then focus on spamming heal. 5. Kerrigan's "destroy every unit on the map" ability. 6. If you have problem with defending your base, just spread creep. Guess who have the power to teleport pretty much all of your forces back to base and on the battlefield again. 7. Kerrigan's energy renews like a mother*****. Don't be shy, use her powers. ALL THE TIME. I mean I was doing this mission AFTER the terran defence one, which, on brutal, is by far the most ridiculously difficult of all of SC1, BW, WOL, HotS and LotV. For a silver player. Well, at least untill I found out about spectres. | ||
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Gary Oak
Canada2381 Posts
[Edit] I should also mention I used liberal amounts of move commands to get everything balled so I could heal everything with Kerrigan, which I pretty much used on cooldown, and this strategy was performed on Brutal. | ||
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pat777
United States356 Posts
On November 17 2015 11:54 SnowfaLL wrote: I did the mass 3/3 muta ball on Hard to get the mastery achievement, and it was much much easier. Maybe its drastically different than Brutal, but Muta's made this map a joke compared to the Ultra/Hydra composition I used in Brutal. Just make sure to get them out of harms way to heal before they die, and you can fly across the map and own void crystals in seconds. I beat the brutal campaign by using mass saves. So for fun, I decided to try to beat this mission on brutal without resorting to any saves. I picked this mission because I knew it was an easy one and wouldn't be too painful without saves. I got close with ultra/brood/hydra but I was able to finally do it with mass 3/3 muta. I beat my original time too because muta mobility gave me more freedom to snipe void crystals. You might need Kerrigan's extinction to clear the map for mutas to maneuver but you'll probably want to use that ability no matter what strat you use. I definitely agree that the muta mobility combined with out of combat healing make them better than ultras/hydras despite the tankiness of the ground combo. Also, broodlords feel slow to me. Though, mass broodlords could be an alternative to mutas since they too can fly over that huge dark hole on the misson's map. I doubt it'll work as well though. | ||
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karpotoss
135 Posts
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pat777
United States356 Posts
On December 07 2015 06:15 karpotoss wrote: Everyone here is discussing the strategy but but what about your overall opinion about this mission. Because honestly for me it was the shittiest mission in the entire trilogy. It just felt so unsatisfying constantly running through the map with mass ultra a moving those ridiculous constantly respawning towers and units. Another thing was waiting at the edge of land for floating crystals, felt extremely frustrating and not fun. While WoL had extremely difficult and fun type of mission that had 2 variations (air, land) and required good multitasking (building units, building bunkers, turrets, sending them in several places, dealing with kerrigan), Hots had massive assault on Mengsk fortress which was ok, but god damn that last mission in LotV was kinda disgusting for me and left me with a bad taste. I kind of wish we had to assault Amon directly and not deal with this crystal bullshit. Even if they insist on this crystal bullshit, a direct Amon boss fight phase would have been cool. It'll kind of be like the Zurvan boss fight in HotS. Remember the tips in the beginning of the other epilogue missions. The first mission tip says Protoss are good at breaking bases and the Essence of Eternity tip just reminds us that Terran is good at defending. And both those missions kind of fit what Blizzard was aiming for in their tips. Unfortunately, the final mission's tip is about Amon. I still think this means they tried to make the mission suited for Zerg's strengths. Maybe they thought the Zerg were good at map control, army mobility, and securing multiple objectives? I definitely agree that they could have executed that idea better. Campaign Zerg also had uber hero unit Kerrigan as their strength. They could have done a direct fight with Amon to suit that strength. | ||
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Pit667
Poland130 Posts
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Draconicfire
Canada2562 Posts
On December 07 2015 06:15 karpotoss wrote: Everyone here is discussing the strategy but but what about your overall opinion about this mission. Because honestly for me it was the shittiest mission in the entire trilogy. It just felt so unsatisfying constantly running through the map with mass ultra a moving those ridiculous constantly respawning towers and units. Another thing was waiting at the edge of land for floating crystals, felt extremely frustrating and not fun. While WoL had extremely difficult and fun type of mission that had 2 variations (air, land) and required good multitasking (building units, building bunkers, turrets, sending them in several places, dealing with kerrigan), Hots had massive assault on Mengsk fortress which was ok, but god damn that last mission in LotV was kinda disgusting for me and left me with a bad taste. I agree completely. The mission was kinda lame in a way. Kerrigan didn't even feel like she had god powers. Would be kind of cool if they made it so there was a window after you defeated a crystal where you could attack Amon directly. Also for the achievement to not have any units die to terrain destruction anyone have any tips? I replayed it twice. First time making sure to dodge the terrain destruction and the second time I only made Mutalisks and Drones. Both times I ended up with three terrain deaths. | ||
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pat777
United States356 Posts
On December 07 2015 17:33 Draconicfire wrote: I agree completely. The mission was kinda lame in a way. Kerrigan didn't even feel like she had god powers. Would be kind of cool if they made it so there was a window after you defeated a crystal where you could attack Amon directly. Also for the achievement to not have any units die to terrain destruction anyone have any tips? I replayed it twice. First time making sure to dodge the terrain destruction and the second time I only made Mutalisks and Drones. Both times I ended up with three terrain deaths. Did you try suiciding all your starting ground army units (except Kerrigan) before he uses terrain destruction? It's also okay to do it after he uses terrain destruction as long as you don't lose any of your ground army to terrain destruction. You should do that with a mass muta strat imo. BTW, I like that window of time to attack Amon idea. I wish there was some sort of direct confrontation with Amon in the mission at all. | ||
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cheekymonkey
France1387 Posts
On December 07 2015 06:15 karpotoss wrote: Everyone here is discussing the strategy but but what about your overall opinion about this mission. Because honestly for me it was the shittiest mission in the entire trilogy. It just felt so unsatisfying constantly running through the map with mass ultra a moving those ridiculous constantly respawning towers and units. Another thing was waiting at the edge of land for floating crystals, felt extremely frustrating and not fun. While WoL had extremely difficult and fun type of mission that had 2 variations (air, land) and required good multitasking (building units, building bunkers, turrets, sending them in several places, dealing with kerrigan), Hots had massive assault on Mengsk fortress which was ok, but god damn that last mission in LotV was kinda disgusting for me and left me with a bad taste. I agree, and suspect that the reason is that they were running short on time. The ending cinematic of kerrigan killing amon was about 3 seconds long, all points towards this explanation. The mission itself was extremely unsatisfying, and disappointingly easy compared to the other epilogue missions. It felt kind of like every HotS mission, step 1: figure out how greedy you can be, step 2: mass unit of choice and amove across the map demolishing everything in your path, using kerrigans abilities for flavor. The WoL ending mission was very difficult at first try, especially the air mission. The WC3 ending missions as well were very hard. As it should be, it's the final mission, and you should struggle to win. | ||
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pat777
United States356 Posts
On December 07 2015 21:04 cheekymonkey wrote: I agree, and suspect that the reason is that they were running short on time. The ending cinematic of kerrigan killing amon was about 3 seconds long, all points towards this explanation. The mission itself was extremely unsatisfying, and disappointingly easy compared to the other epilogue missions. It felt kind of like every HotS mission, step 1: figure out how greedy you can be, step 2: mass unit of choice and amove across the map demolishing everything in your path, using kerrigans abilities for flavor. The WoL ending mission was very difficult at first try, especially the air mission. The WC3 ending missions as well were very hard. As it should be, it's the final mission, and you should struggle to win. Maybe they should have delayed the game a bit though that would have obviously made some people mad. Still, I'd rather have a more polished game later than this stuff on time. | ||
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Laserist
Turkey4269 Posts
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