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On November 15 2015 17:31 wasilix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2015 21:16 Plexa wrote:
So I got wrecked the first time I did this. But then I stopped derping and the level was super easy. Basically
- Use extinction (on Kerrigan) to set up for killing Void crystals
- Ultralisks are broken as hell with Kerrigans AoE heal
- Hydra/Muta for AA when necessary
- Greed super hard early on (i.e. double expand and fully saturate) before moving out, a few spines/spores to defend will be good enough as a stall if Kerrigan is off somewhere (teleport back if needed) This mission felt so easy. I've been derping my first attempt (lost my army on first crystal - lings and roaches mostly, clearing void thingies spawning enemy units - I thought they are my objectives at first xD) and still won... Ultras broken, aoe heal helps keeping alive even hydras, so i've just been spamming heal on cd every time I was fighting pillars and that is my detailed "guide" for this mission :D
Pretty much what I did, except broods as well. For some reason they are super fast on this mission. If you have the minerals to throw hatches down all around the map it gets even easier, as you can teleport your whole army all around the map.
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Interesting, I found broodlords to be the only effective unit for this map on hard, but I guess I didn't try ultras.
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On November 16 2015 07:47 TheDougler wrote:
Interesting, I found broodlords to be the only effective unit for this map on hard, but I guess I didn't try ultras.
Make a round of ultras, then only hydralisks and walk around spamming kerrigan's heal. It's kind of stupid.
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I had no idea Kerrigan had that Extinction or whatever ability and was having so much trouble with this. Once I realized she had that, it was a cakewalk. Mass Hydra/Ultra, and it was easy.
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Are most of you guys saying its easy playing on brutal?? I found this probably the hardest mission in the game on Brutal.. even with 3-3 ultras and hydras backing it, so hard. Had a hard ass time getting even the ground crystals, then snuck 24 mutas out and warped 12 into broodlords in the middle of the map to kill the last one (barely, they were about to die) - hard..
I'm hoping the Hard difficulty will be quite drastically easier - I dunno how I'll ever get 3 crystals in 60 seconds if its anything like brutal where things regenerate and huge armies pop up in seconds!
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Ultras were so amazing since they have the torresque strain which revives them on death. So basically I would never lose an Ultra, And the crystals once I hit max I just ran by amons units snipe the crystal and then teleport back.
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Brutal Difficulty -
I actually found this mission really easy, no saves were needed. Basic strat -
Start: Double expand and take all gases. Fully saturate right off. Expanded out the creep tumors about 3-4 screen infront of the expands to see attacks coming. Tech to hive. Place all your unit production buildings. Place 3 evos (and max upgrades) and 2 spires (max upgrades) and start upgrading. Make one greater spire.
Now, you just make ~15 ultras, 20 broodlords and the rest hydras. get to 200/200
Then literally just A click around the map. Spam Kerrigans heal and Micro broodlords a little. You are literally unkillable as long are you are spamming heal.
I dont know if it matters if you lose your base or not, but I would teleport back to my base if it was being attacked (or used extinction). I think I had to replaced maybe 10-15 hydras during the whole mission - mostly early when didnt spam heal for a few seconds while using Q on crystals. I stopped pressing Q a few crystals in, just no need with the broodlords. They can solo a crystal in about 20ish seconds. I had ultras with 40+ kills and broodlords with 60+.
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Am I the only person that took *ALL* of the gasses? That was the only challenging part of this mission imo :D
Select hatch, build max drones, select all drones, right click the Terran main base, split the group and with the remaining 4 drones right click the Protoss main base, then micro both groups past the newly generated hostiles (or use kerrigans kill all ability) then move them into the npc bases to have the npcs kill off any chasing enemy units. Then start building extractors on the NPCs expansions and enjoy your insane gas income thanks to 8 extra extractors :D
Seriously was the only thing fun about this extremely easy mission. 1-shot with 3/3 200/200 muta ball.
Edit:
Oh yeah, max drones after all extractors are built on npc bases, defend with the few forces you start with, then build macro hatches as well because why not?
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I did the mass 3/3 muta ball on Hard to get the mastery achievement, and it was much much easier. Maybe its drastically different than Brutal, but Muta's made this map a joke compared to the Ultra/Hydra composition I used in Brutal. Just make sure to get them out of harms way to heal before they die, and you can fly across the map and own void crystals in seconds.
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Was pretty hard died 2 times. But then I believed in a thing called Roach. Basically make only roaches, due to their high HP they can survive for a while against the void totem things so kerrigan can use her deathbeam in between heals. Later when you have mass roach just spam heal and roach them to death.
Quite APM intensive to keep spamming the heal while macroing in the beginning.
Honestly the void totems were annoying as fuck, don't pay attention and suddenly 50 supply gone
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On November 16 2015 11:12 SnowfaLL wrote:
Are most of you guys saying its easy playing on brutal?? I found this probably the hardest mission in the game on Brutal.. even with 3-3 ultras and hydras backing it, so hard. Had a hard ass time getting even the ground crystals, then snuck 24 mutas out and warped 12 into broodlords in the middle of the map to kill the last one (barely, they were about to die) - hard..
I'm hoping the Hard difficulty will be quite drastically easier - I dunno how I'll ever get 3 crystals in 60 seconds if its anything like brutal where things regenerate and huge armies pop up in seconds!
As long as you spam Kerrigan's heal your Ultras can A-move across the map. That's what I did all game long.
There's also more than 7 crystals, so you don't need to go for that random-assed floating crystal.
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So about the mastery achievement. I made 200/200 mutas and flew and kill 3 crystals in less than 1 minute of each other but the achievement doesn't pop up? :B
EDIT: Nevermind, it finally popped.
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On November 18 2015 06:29 SiaBBo wrote:
So about the mastery achievement. I made 200/200 mutas and flew and kill 3 crystals in less than 1 minute of each other but the achievement doesn't pop up? :B
Maybe you got #3 within a minute of #2 and #2 within a minute of #1?
I think you have to get both #2 and #3 within 60 seconds of getting #1.
So if you kill #1 on 13:37, #2 and #3 need to be dead before 14:37.
I guess an easier way to do it would be to weaken each crystal first and then finish them off at the same time.
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On November 18 2015 06:29 SiaBBo wrote:
So about the mastery achievement. I made 200/200 mutas and flew and kill 3 crystals in less than 1 minute of each other but the achievement doesn't pop up? :B
EDIT: Nevermind, it finally popped.
Yea looks like you have to kill them all within a minute of the first.
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I literally went nothing but broodlords and got an easy win. Kerrigan is enough as anti air for the whole game. This one was much easier than the 2nd epilogue mission imo.
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I did mass muta for the mobility and stacking for heal, so easy for the mastery too I had 2 nearby and flew them across the map asap and sniped a 3rd.
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In mastery there is an achievement called Dodge This. It says:
Don't lose any army units to terran destruction abilities in the "Amon's Fall" mission on Normal difficulty.
Does this mean something in particular, or just: Don't lose any army units at all? I mean: Does the phrase "terran destruction abilities", mean that some damage is counted, and some not?
Edit: I never found out, but I did it without losing any units, so no worrries.
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For the mastery achievement, I made a creep highway and mass ultra. Then, when three crystals were accessible at the same time, I just tleported to them with kerrigans teleport ability.
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For not losing any units to Amon terrain spell an get the achievement, i have use mass 3/3 mutas and defend my bases whit Kerrigan and few units.
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On November 16 2015 11:12 SnowfaLL wrote:
Are most of you guys saying its easy playing on brutal?? I found this probably the hardest mission in the game on Brutal.. even with 3-3 ultras and hydras backing it, so hard. Had a hard ass time getting even the ground crystals, then snuck 24 mutas out and warped 12 into broodlords in the middle of the map to kill the last one (barely, they were about to die) - hard..
I'm hoping the Hard difficulty will be quite drastically easier - I dunno how I'll ever get 3 crystals in 60 seconds if its anything like brutal where things regenerate and huge armies pop up in seconds!
I don't know why do you have so much problem with this, but I can tell you that I'm a silver league level player and I roflstomped through this mission on brutal. These are few reasons, or inspirations for you:
1. Kerrigan heal ability wich you can spam every... 3-4 seconds?
2. Ultras with the above.
3. Brood lords with the above.
4. Pretty much every unit with the above. Just hit F2, A+click on the map and then focus on spamming heal.
5. Kerrigan's "destroy every unit on the map" ability.
6. If you have problem with defending your base, just spread creep. Guess who have the power to teleport pretty much all of your forces back to base and on the battlefield again.
7. Kerrigan's energy renews like a mother*****. Don't be shy, use her powers. ALL THE TIME.
I mean I was doing this mission AFTER the terran defence one, which, on brutal, is by far the most ridiculously difficult of all of SC1, BW, WOL, HotS and LotV. For a silver player. Well, at least untill I found out about spectres.
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