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On November 03 2015 08:20 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 08:07 showstealer1829 wrote:On November 03 2015 07:54 Big J wrote:On November 03 2015 07:49 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 03 2015 07:02 Big J wrote:On November 03 2015 06:33 Charoisaur wrote:
People still defending lilbow don't understand what's going on.
He was the sole foreign representive at the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP he basically represented the foreign scene.
Many people were criticizing the WCS system because it enabled a foreigner to be at blizzcon and so fans of foreign sc2 hoped lilbow proved that foreigners deserve to be at blizzcon
So lilbow not only disappointed his fans but embarassed the entire foreign scene, made the WCS system look like a joke and took a spot that other players like hyun would have deserved 1000 times more. Also he disrespected his opponent, the tournament organizers and got a paid trip to the USA for nothing.
So yes he deserves every inche of hate he gets. This is exactly the stupidity behind a lot of posts. Lilbow wasn't sent by some "united foreigner community" as their representative. He didn't choose to be the only foreigner there. It's his fucking life, he didn't do something ridiculous like Naniwa and dropped out midgame. He just didn't prepare as well as he could have, an example of thousands every year in every sport. And he didn't even do it out of lazyness, he didn't waste his time with party escapes or whoring around. Every greater football club in Europe has to choose how to prioritize their player and training resources between European leagues, national leagues and cups. Every olympic winter games the NHL and their players are forced to make the decision between the biggest event for national teams, or the biggest league in the world. And I'm sorry, but the players, teams and leagues often don't decide in favor of the most prestigeous event possible, but rather the ones they have responsibilities towards or the ones that they feel more capable of managing. Same here, Lilbow chose the LotV DH that he actually has a chance in over getting crushed by Life or INnoVation one way or another anyways. By the way, we see the same thing happening over and over again with proleague in Starcraft anyways. Players dropping out of international events on short notice or coming underprepared to them. The only difference is Lilbow's stupid twitter posts instead of a well-constructed PR declaration with some apology towards his fans for not playing better. How is it even relevant though if he chose it or not? It simply isn't. The fact is that he was the only foreigner and a lot of people were very excited about him playing at blizzcon. I am sure he knew it and what it means. He simply chose not to care, which might be the better decision for him personally (i actually doubt it very much, but hey let's just pretend it is), but for fans who cheered for him, stayed awake till late hours to watch him play? Yeah that had to be a slap in the face. It was fucking Blizzcon and not some random online cup, this changes a lot. Yeah, but how is this shitstorm justified? That people are pissed is their right. But saying things like he embarasses the whole foreign scene and shit like that is just way out of proportion. Sometimes in life people disappoint you with their sometimes selfish decisions. That's bad enough, but you learn to move on. Or you create a stupid shitstorm and put yourself on the same level or even below. He DID embarrass the whole foreign scene, like it or not he was the only foreign player to make the top 16, a place a lot of people feel he only got (myself included) thanks to Blizzard and WCS stacking the deck with the region lock, this was a chance to show he deserved a spot, that Blizzard and WCS were justified, but he didn't even TRY, he didn't even care and worse he went on social media immediately after and made the posting equivalent of "LOL thank u for free money". What do you think KeSPA is going to say? I'm willing to wager something along the lines of "Why should our players be left out of top 16 by foreign players who aren't going to bother?" and you know what? they'd be JUSTIFIED in that based on this performance All Lilbow did yesterday was prove what the region locks critics have said all along, it's a fucking joke. It's a joke to those that don't understand that blizzcon isn't supposed to be the highest quality tournament, but blizzard's covergirl to gain as much interest as possible. Just because you and others can't look past hype and advertising to understand that blizzcon plainly isn't the highest level tournament out there doesn't make it a joke.
Well, we the hardcore audience know that every single starleague in korea is more competetive.
But Blizzcon is still the tournament of the year, both because how hard it is to qualify for it and the general hype around it (don't forget the money you can win there either)
It definitely is the "worlds of sc2" tbh, the current qualifying process isn't perfect yet, but it is getting there tbh.
On November 03 2015 08:21 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 08:14 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 03 2015 08:07 showstealer1829 wrote:On November 03 2015 07:54 Big J wrote:On November 03 2015 07:49 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 03 2015 07:02 Big J wrote:On November 03 2015 06:33 Charoisaur wrote:
People still defending lilbow don't understand what's going on.
He was the sole foreign representive at the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP he basically represented the foreign scene.
Many people were criticizing the WCS system because it enabled a foreigner to be at blizzcon and so fans of foreign sc2 hoped lilbow proved that foreigners deserve to be at blizzcon
So lilbow not only disappointed his fans but embarassed the entire foreign scene, made the WCS system look like a joke and took a spot that other players like hyun would have deserved 1000 times more. Also he disrespected his opponent, the tournament organizers and got a paid trip to the USA for nothing.
So yes he deserves every inche of hate he gets. This is exactly the stupidity behind a lot of posts. Lilbow wasn't sent by some "united foreigner community" as their representative. He didn't choose to be the only foreigner there. It's his fucking life, he didn't do something ridiculous like Naniwa and dropped out midgame. He just didn't prepare as well as he could have, an example of thousands every year in every sport. And he didn't even do it out of lazyness, he didn't waste his time with party escapes or whoring around. Every greater football club in Europe has to choose how to prioritize their player and training resources between European leagues, national leagues and cups. Every olympic winter games the NHL and their players are forced to make the decision between the biggest event for national teams, or the biggest league in the world. And I'm sorry, but the players, teams and leagues often don't decide in favor of the most prestigeous event possible, but rather the ones they have responsibilities towards or the ones that they feel more capable of managing. Same here, Lilbow chose the LotV DH that he actually has a chance in over getting crushed by Life or INnoVation one way or another anyways. By the way, we see the same thing happening over and over again with proleague in Starcraft anyways. Players dropping out of international events on short notice or coming underprepared to them. The only difference is Lilbow's stupid twitter posts instead of a well-constructed PR declaration with some apology towards his fans for not playing better. How is it even relevant though if he chose it or not? It simply isn't. The fact is that he was the only foreigner and a lot of people were very excited about him playing at blizzcon. I am sure he knew it and what it means. He simply chose not to care, which might be the better decision for him personally (i actually doubt it very much, but hey let's just pretend it is), but for fans who cheered for him, stayed awake till late hours to watch him play? Yeah that had to be a slap in the face. It was fucking Blizzcon and not some random online cup, this changes a lot. Yeah, but how is this shitstorm justified? That people are pissed is their right. But saying things like he embarasses the whole foreign scene and shit like that is just way out of proportion. Sometimes in life people disappoint you with their sometimes selfish decisions. That's bad enough, but you learn to move on. Or you create a stupid shitstorm and put yourself on the same level or even below. He DID embarrass the whole foreign scene, like it or not he was the only foreign player to make the top 16, a place a lot of people feel he only got (myself included) thanks to Blizzard and WCS stacking the deck with the region lock, this was a chance to show he deserved a spot, that Blizzard and WCS were justified, but he didn't even TRY, he didn't even care and worse he went on social media immediately after and made the posting equivalent of "LOL thank u for free money". What do you think KeSPA is going to say? I'm willing to wager something along the lines of "Why should our players be left out of top 16 by foreign players who aren't going to bother?" and you know what? they'd be JUSTIFIED in that based on this performance All Lilbow did yesterday was prove what the region locks critics have said all along, it's a fucking joke. Euh don't base your opinion about regional lock on lilbows performance, these two things aren't connected all that much. Region lock IS NEEDED to actually get people who care. A region locked wcs simply shouldn't give as much wcs points, foreigners really don't deserve a blizzcon spot atm, they deserve an own league though. Hmm, not sure about that. Polt and Hydra did fine and Lilbow was able to be a match for them in WCS. Besides, the foreign scene needs the incentive to be able to qualify for the "World Championships". It's just so disappointing to me that he didn't really try. His choice of course but hard for me to understand. His clumsy (his own words) excuses are just really dumb on top of that.
No it needs the incentive for progaming to be viable for newcomers. WCS with koreans doesn't do the trick.
If the foreign scene as a whole gets to the level of koreigners (which you can see at weekend tournaments) you can change the wcs points to reflect the strength of the region. But right now the foreign scene is way too bad and it is a farce that you can qualify through wcs alone.
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On November 03 2015 08:25 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 08:22 Wuster wrote:On November 03 2015 08:21 [PkF] Wire wrote:Lilbow's Facebook
I knew i could beat life, i tried and i practiced a bit, lotv is coming soon and i want to be good at this game.
God I had missed that one. Someone should really steal his keyboard. It was buried as a reply to someone saying he should have just forfeit if he didn't think he could beat Life / wasn't going to practice. He's just all over the place trying to soothe his own ego and backtracking when people call him out on his stupid responses. On November 03 2015 08:22 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2015 08:18 Wuster wrote:On November 03 2015 08:12 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2015 08:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:
("hey i could have beat Life np if i cared, lol") Yeah no basically the exact opposite of what he said Actually Lilbow's Facebook
I knew i could beat life, i tried and i practiced a bit, lotv is coming soon and i want to be good at this game.
Tried a practiced a bit later clarified to be two games in one month. It's more or less what Cascade said, he's just trying to protect his own ego with the 'Can't fail if you don't try' mental fallacy'. Of course it backfired and he's not getting any community support so he's trolling back on Twitter or w/e. That's weird, in the pregame video he said the opposite of this. Are you sure he didn't mean "couldn't" and mistyped? Otherwise I don't see how that makes sense. I copied and pasted his message: here's a link now that I figured out how to link replies: https://www.facebook.com/LilbowSC/posts/791932830929232?comment_id=791937984262050&reply_comment_id=791938797595302&total_comments=9&comment_tracking={"tn":"R9"} Next sentence starts with "however", and isn't contradictory to the first sentence. I really think he meant to write "couldn't" here.
I agree the sentence is strange. The fact he has a broken english like me and every French guy doesn't help his cause 
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On November 03 2015 08:20 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 08:07 showstealer1829 wrote:On November 03 2015 07:54 Big J wrote:On November 03 2015 07:49 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 03 2015 07:02 Big J wrote:On November 03 2015 06:33 Charoisaur wrote:
People still defending lilbow don't understand what's going on.
He was the sole foreign representive at the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP he basically represented the foreign scene.
Many people were criticizing the WCS system because it enabled a foreigner to be at blizzcon and so fans of foreign sc2 hoped lilbow proved that foreigners deserve to be at blizzcon
So lilbow not only disappointed his fans but embarassed the entire foreign scene, made the WCS system look like a joke and took a spot that other players like hyun would have deserved 1000 times more. Also he disrespected his opponent, the tournament organizers and got a paid trip to the USA for nothing.
So yes he deserves every inche of hate he gets. This is exactly the stupidity behind a lot of posts. Lilbow wasn't sent by some "united foreigner community" as their representative. He didn't choose to be the only foreigner there. It's his fucking life, he didn't do something ridiculous like Naniwa and dropped out midgame. He just didn't prepare as well as he could have, an example of thousands every year in every sport. And he didn't even do it out of lazyness, he didn't waste his time with party escapes or whoring around. Every greater football club in Europe has to choose how to prioritize their player and training resources between European leagues, national leagues and cups. Every olympic winter games the NHL and their players are forced to make the decision between the biggest event for national teams, or the biggest league in the world. And I'm sorry, but the players, teams and leagues often don't decide in favor of the most prestigeous event possible, but rather the ones they have responsibilities towards or the ones that they feel more capable of managing. Same here, Lilbow chose the LotV DH that he actually has a chance in over getting crushed by Life or INnoVation one way or another anyways. By the way, we see the same thing happening over and over again with proleague in Starcraft anyways. Players dropping out of international events on short notice or coming underprepared to them. The only difference is Lilbow's stupid twitter posts instead of a well-constructed PR declaration with some apology towards his fans for not playing better. How is it even relevant though if he chose it or not? It simply isn't. The fact is that he was the only foreigner and a lot of people were very excited about him playing at blizzcon. I am sure he knew it and what it means. He simply chose not to care, which might be the better decision for him personally (i actually doubt it very much, but hey let's just pretend it is), but for fans who cheered for him, stayed awake till late hours to watch him play? Yeah that had to be a slap in the face. It was fucking Blizzcon and not some random online cup, this changes a lot. Yeah, but how is this shitstorm justified? That people are pissed is their right. But saying things like he embarasses the whole foreign scene and shit like that is just way out of proportion. Sometimes in life people disappoint you with their sometimes selfish decisions. That's bad enough, but you learn to move on. Or you create a stupid shitstorm and put yourself on the same level or even below. He DID embarrass the whole foreign scene, like it or not he was the only foreign player to make the top 16, a place a lot of people feel he only got (myself included) thanks to Blizzard and WCS stacking the deck with the region lock, this was a chance to show he deserved a spot, that Blizzard and WCS were justified, but he didn't even TRY, he didn't even care and worse he went on social media immediately after and made the posting equivalent of "LOL thank u for free money". What do you think KeSPA is going to say? I'm willing to wager something along the lines of "Why should our players be left out of top 16 by foreign players who aren't going to bother?" and you know what? they'd be JUSTIFIED in that based on this performance All Lilbow did yesterday was prove what the region locks critics have said all along, it's a fucking joke. It's a joke to those that don't understand that blizzcon isn't supposed to be the highest quality tournament, but blizzard's covergirl to gain as much interest as possible. Just because you and others can't look past hype and advertising to understand that blizzcon plainly isn't the highest level tournament out there doesn't make it a joke.
Oh then by all means forgive me for being so silly as to believe that the tournament Blizzard and WCS spend the ENTIRE YEAR giving away points to and marketed as the WCS GLOBAL FINALS isn't the highest level tournament of the year. Clearly I must be wrong because I'm not functionally retarded
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Good to see a little variety at least. Like in the football world cup there are teams that qualify via different regions in Asia, Africa and North America when in all honesty they quite often take the place of a few European or South American countries who are superior. But saying that Flash and soO would have been potential winners at Blizzcon, where it was hard to see Lilbow or Polt winning.
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On November 03 2015 08:29 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 08:20 Big J wrote:On November 03 2015 08:07 showstealer1829 wrote:On November 03 2015 07:54 Big J wrote:On November 03 2015 07:49 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 03 2015 07:02 Big J wrote:On November 03 2015 06:33 Charoisaur wrote:
People still defending lilbow don't understand what's going on.
He was the sole foreign representive at the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP he basically represented the foreign scene.
Many people were criticizing the WCS system because it enabled a foreigner to be at blizzcon and so fans of foreign sc2 hoped lilbow proved that foreigners deserve to be at blizzcon
So lilbow not only disappointed his fans but embarassed the entire foreign scene, made the WCS system look like a joke and took a spot that other players like hyun would have deserved 1000 times more. Also he disrespected his opponent, the tournament organizers and got a paid trip to the USA for nothing.
So yes he deserves every inche of hate he gets. This is exactly the stupidity behind a lot of posts. Lilbow wasn't sent by some "united foreigner community" as their representative. He didn't choose to be the only foreigner there. It's his fucking life, he didn't do something ridiculous like Naniwa and dropped out midgame. He just didn't prepare as well as he could have, an example of thousands every year in every sport. And he didn't even do it out of lazyness, he didn't waste his time with party escapes or whoring around. Every greater football club in Europe has to choose how to prioritize their player and training resources between European leagues, national leagues and cups. Every olympic winter games the NHL and their players are forced to make the decision between the biggest event for national teams, or the biggest league in the world. And I'm sorry, but the players, teams and leagues often don't decide in favor of the most prestigeous event possible, but rather the ones they have responsibilities towards or the ones that they feel more capable of managing. Same here, Lilbow chose the LotV DH that he actually has a chance in over getting crushed by Life or INnoVation one way or another anyways. By the way, we see the same thing happening over and over again with proleague in Starcraft anyways. Players dropping out of international events on short notice or coming underprepared to them. The only difference is Lilbow's stupid twitter posts instead of a well-constructed PR declaration with some apology towards his fans for not playing better. How is it even relevant though if he chose it or not? It simply isn't. The fact is that he was the only foreigner and a lot of people were very excited about him playing at blizzcon. I am sure he knew it and what it means. He simply chose not to care, which might be the better decision for him personally (i actually doubt it very much, but hey let's just pretend it is), but for fans who cheered for him, stayed awake till late hours to watch him play? Yeah that had to be a slap in the face. It was fucking Blizzcon and not some random online cup, this changes a lot. Yeah, but how is this shitstorm justified? That people are pissed is their right. But saying things like he embarasses the whole foreign scene and shit like that is just way out of proportion. Sometimes in life people disappoint you with their sometimes selfish decisions. That's bad enough, but you learn to move on. Or you create a stupid shitstorm and put yourself on the same level or even below. He DID embarrass the whole foreign scene, like it or not he was the only foreign player to make the top 16, a place a lot of people feel he only got (myself included) thanks to Blizzard and WCS stacking the deck with the region lock, this was a chance to show he deserved a spot, that Blizzard and WCS were justified, but he didn't even TRY, he didn't even care and worse he went on social media immediately after and made the posting equivalent of "LOL thank u for free money". What do you think KeSPA is going to say? I'm willing to wager something along the lines of "Why should our players be left out of top 16 by foreign players who aren't going to bother?" and you know what? they'd be JUSTIFIED in that based on this performance All Lilbow did yesterday was prove what the region locks critics have said all along, it's a fucking joke. It's a joke to those that don't understand that blizzcon isn't supposed to be the highest quality tournament, but blizzard's covergirl to gain as much interest as possible. Just because you and others can't look past hype and advertising to understand that blizzcon plainly isn't the highest level tournament out there doesn't make it a joke. Oh then by all means forgive me for being so silly as to believe that the tournament Blizzard and WCS spend the ENTIRE YEAR giving away points to and marketed as the WCS GLOBAL FINALS isn't the highest level tournament of the year. Clearly I must be wrong because I'm not functionally retarded
Big J is a strong supporter of region locking. He probably wants half of blizzcon to be foreigners. I hope not, but he probably does.
So his argument is that blizzcon, the culmination of sc2 tournaments throughout the year that celebrates sc2, does not need to be the highest standard of play. Imagine a blizzcon final, foreigner vs korean, and the match ends in 20 minutes. But it's okay because we had a white face!
Ridiculous
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On November 03 2015 08:30 KrOeastbound wrote:
Good to see a little variety at least. Like in the football world cup there are teams that qualify via different regions in Asia, Africa and North America when in all honesty they quite often take the place of a few European or South American countries who are superior. But saying that Flash and soO would have been potential winners at Blizzcon, where it was hard to see Lilbow or Polt winning.
Did you just compare Lilbow to Flash and soO?
And suggest that Lilbow is in some any way not entirely inferior?
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I mean I know you're not coming at this from a rational standpoint but how are you arguing that a competition that awards almost 1/3 of its points to a group of players specifically because they're too weak to compete with the others is attempting to gather the best possible line-up?
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On November 03 2015 08:33 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 08:30 KrOeastbound wrote:
Good to see a little variety at least. Like in the football world cup there are teams that qualify via different regions in Asia, Africa and North America when in all honesty they quite often take the place of a few European or South American countries who are superior. But saying that Flash and soO would have been potential winners at Blizzcon, where it was hard to see Lilbow or Polt winning. Did you just compare Lilbow to Flash and soO? And suggest that Lilbow is in some any way not entirely inferior?
No, I didn't say that at all :/
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On November 03 2015 08:28 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 08:25 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2015 08:22 Wuster wrote:On November 03 2015 08:21 [PkF] Wire wrote:Lilbow's Facebook
I knew i could beat life, i tried and i practiced a bit, lotv is coming soon and i want to be good at this game.
God I had missed that one. Someone should really steal his keyboard. It was buried as a reply to someone saying he should have just forfeit if he didn't think he could beat Life / wasn't going to practice. He's just all over the place trying to soothe his own ego and backtracking when people call him out on his stupid responses. On November 03 2015 08:22 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2015 08:18 Wuster wrote:On November 03 2015 08:12 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2015 08:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:
("hey i could have beat Life np if i cared, lol") Yeah no basically the exact opposite of what he said Actually Lilbow's Facebook
I knew i could beat life, i tried and i practiced a bit, lotv is coming soon and i want to be good at this game.
Tried a practiced a bit later clarified to be two games in one month. It's more or less what Cascade said, he's just trying to protect his own ego with the 'Can't fail if you don't try' mental fallacy'. Of course it backfired and he's not getting any community support so he's trolling back on Twitter or w/e. That's weird, in the pregame video he said the opposite of this. Are you sure he didn't mean "couldn't" and mistyped? Otherwise I don't see how that makes sense. I copied and pasted his message: here's a link now that I figured out how to link replies: https://www.facebook.com/LilbowSC/posts/791932830929232?comment_id=791937984262050&reply_comment_id=791938797595302&total_comments=9&comment_tracking={"tn":"R9"} Next sentence starts with "however", and isn't contradictory to the first sentence. I really think he meant to write "couldn't" here. I agree the sentence is strange. The fact he has a broken english like me and every French guy doesn't help his cause
I sometimes miss the "n't" in "couldn't", "didn't" and so on when I type quickly. No idea why, as it often makes a huge difference to the meaning of the sentence... I've had to send a few emarassing follow-up emails due to that... So yeah, for me it's perfectly plausible that he just missed the "n't".
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On November 03 2015 08:30 KrOeastbound wrote:
Good to see a little variety at least. Like in the football world cup there are teams that qualify via different regions in Asia, Africa and North America when in all honesty they quite often take the place of a few European or South American countries who are superior. But saying that Flash and soO would have been potential winners at Blizzcon, where it was hard to see Lilbow or Polt winning.
Agree. It's not that the top Koreans aren't very well represented.
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On November 03 2015 08:35 KrOeastbound wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 08:33 pure.Wasted wrote:On November 03 2015 08:30 KrOeastbound wrote:
Good to see a little variety at least. Like in the football world cup there are teams that qualify via different regions in Asia, Africa and North America when in all honesty they quite often take the place of a few European or South American countries who are superior. But saying that Flash and soO would have been potential winners at Blizzcon, where it was hard to see Lilbow or Polt winning. Did you just compare Lilbow to Flash and soO? And suggest that Lilbow is in some any way not entirely inferior? No, I didn't say that at all :/
Ohhh I get it, your sentence structure threw me a little. Cheers.
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On November 03 2015 08:35 Nebuchad wrote:
I mean I know you're not coming at this from a rational standpoint but how are you arguing that a competition that awards almost 1/3 of its points to a group of players specifically because they're too weak to compete with the others is attempting to gather the best possible line-up?
Wait a second. It is undeniable that the core design of the system is made to get the best players for blizzcon.
It literally awards players who do well all year long in every competition. It is not in blizzard's power to send kespa players to weekend tournaments, which is why korea now has two starleagues.
In a perfect world where every single player competetes in their wcs region AND at every single weekend tournament (well in most of them) we would have the 16 best (most consistent) players at blizzcon.
This year we are somewhat close already tbh.
The details aren't perfect, but the system as a whole is pretty good tbh
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BlizzCon is just like World Cup or Olympics.
It certainly won't always be the most competitive and high-level tournament of the game/sport, but it is still the most prestigious tournament by far.
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On November 03 2015 08:32 Deathstar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 08:29 showstealer1829 wrote:On November 03 2015 08:20 Big J wrote:On November 03 2015 08:07 showstealer1829 wrote:On November 03 2015 07:54 Big J wrote:On November 03 2015 07:49 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 03 2015 07:02 Big J wrote:On November 03 2015 06:33 Charoisaur wrote:
People still defending lilbow don't understand what's going on.
He was the sole foreign representive at the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP he basically represented the foreign scene.
Many people were criticizing the WCS system because it enabled a foreigner to be at blizzcon and so fans of foreign sc2 hoped lilbow proved that foreigners deserve to be at blizzcon
So lilbow not only disappointed his fans but embarassed the entire foreign scene, made the WCS system look like a joke and took a spot that other players like hyun would have deserved 1000 times more. Also he disrespected his opponent, the tournament organizers and got a paid trip to the USA for nothing.
So yes he deserves every inche of hate he gets. This is exactly the stupidity behind a lot of posts. Lilbow wasn't sent by some "united foreigner community" as their representative. He didn't choose to be the only foreigner there. It's his fucking life, he didn't do something ridiculous like Naniwa and dropped out midgame. He just didn't prepare as well as he could have, an example of thousands every year in every sport. And he didn't even do it out of lazyness, he didn't waste his time with party escapes or whoring around. Every greater football club in Europe has to choose how to prioritize their player and training resources between European leagues, national leagues and cups. Every olympic winter games the NHL and their players are forced to make the decision between the biggest event for national teams, or the biggest league in the world. And I'm sorry, but the players, teams and leagues often don't decide in favor of the most prestigeous event possible, but rather the ones they have responsibilities towards or the ones that they feel more capable of managing. Same here, Lilbow chose the LotV DH that he actually has a chance in over getting crushed by Life or INnoVation one way or another anyways. By the way, we see the same thing happening over and over again with proleague in Starcraft anyways. Players dropping out of international events on short notice or coming underprepared to them. The only difference is Lilbow's stupid twitter posts instead of a well-constructed PR declaration with some apology towards his fans for not playing better. How is it even relevant though if he chose it or not? It simply isn't. The fact is that he was the only foreigner and a lot of people were very excited about him playing at blizzcon. I am sure he knew it and what it means. He simply chose not to care, which might be the better decision for him personally (i actually doubt it very much, but hey let's just pretend it is), but for fans who cheered for him, stayed awake till late hours to watch him play? Yeah that had to be a slap in the face. It was fucking Blizzcon and not some random online cup, this changes a lot. Yeah, but how is this shitstorm justified? That people are pissed is their right. But saying things like he embarasses the whole foreign scene and shit like that is just way out of proportion. Sometimes in life people disappoint you with their sometimes selfish decisions. That's bad enough, but you learn to move on. Or you create a stupid shitstorm and put yourself on the same level or even below. He DID embarrass the whole foreign scene, like it or not he was the only foreign player to make the top 16, a place a lot of people feel he only got (myself included) thanks to Blizzard and WCS stacking the deck with the region lock, this was a chance to show he deserved a spot, that Blizzard and WCS were justified, but he didn't even TRY, he didn't even care and worse he went on social media immediately after and made the posting equivalent of "LOL thank u for free money". What do you think KeSPA is going to say? I'm willing to wager something along the lines of "Why should our players be left out of top 16 by foreign players who aren't going to bother?" and you know what? they'd be JUSTIFIED in that based on this performance All Lilbow did yesterday was prove what the region locks critics have said all along, it's a fucking joke. It's a joke to those that don't understand that blizzcon isn't supposed to be the highest quality tournament, but blizzard's covergirl to gain as much interest as possible. Just because you and others can't look past hype and advertising to understand that blizzcon plainly isn't the highest level tournament out there doesn't make it a joke. Oh then by all means forgive me for being so silly as to believe that the tournament Blizzard and WCS spend the ENTIRE YEAR giving away points to and marketed as the WCS GLOBAL FINALS isn't the highest level tournament of the year. Clearly I must be wrong because I'm not functionally retarded Big J is a strong supporter of region locking. He probably wants half of blizzcon to be foreigners. I hope not, but he probably does. So his argument is that blizzcon, the culmination of sc2 tournaments throughout the year that celebrates sc2, does not need to be the highest standard of play. Imagine a blizzcon final, foreigner vs korean, and the match ends in 20 minutes. But it's okay because we had a white face! Ridiculous
If that wasn't the goal they wouldn't have created the WCS system to begin with? They could have just invited the top 16 of GSL which everyone knows are the best represention for top 16 in the world.
And yes, I would like to have a bigass mixed tournament, if it was more mixed I would be happier but for that the foreign scene would have to step it up a bit. I think the original WCS EU and AM were ridiculous because there is no reason to make a WCS EUROPE or WCS AMERICA if you are not going to enforce some ruling that actually supports the name. Just make WCS 1, WCS 2, WCS 3 then.
That blizzard decided that the mixed tournament should be blizzcon and advertize it as the event of the year is not my fault.
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On November 03 2015 08:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 08:35 Nebuchad wrote:
I mean I know you're not coming at this from a rational standpoint but how are you arguing that a competition that awards almost 1/3 of its points to a group of players specifically because they're too weak to compete with the others is attempting to gather the best possible line-up? Wait a second. It is undeniable that the core design of the system is made to get the best players for blizzcon. It literally awards players who do well all year long in every competition. It is not in blizzard's power to send kespa players to weekend tournaments, which is why korea now has two starleagues. In a perfect world where every single player competetes in their wcs region AND at every single weekend tournament (well in most of them) we would have the 16 best (most consistent) players at blizzcon. This year we are somewhat close already tbh. The details aren't perfect, but the system as a whole is pretty good tbh
Exactly. The system rewards the people who win things during the year, not the best players. If you're in a system where everyone participates in every tournament, the two are the same. But we aren't.
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On November 03 2015 08:42 r_gg wrote:
BlizzCon is just like World Cup or Olympics.
It certainly won't always be the most competitive and high-level tournament of the game/sport, but it is still the most prestigious tournament by far.
the situation has been similar for ages in handball for instance. Every top team is european (OK Qatar reached a WC finals recently, but this whole team is an utter joke) so that winning an European championship is far tougher than winning a World Championship or the Olympics. Still, the tournament that gets the most exposure is by FAR the Olympics, which is ridiculously easy compared to the others once you're in.
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On November 03 2015 08:30 KrOeastbound wrote:
Good to see a little variety at least. Like in the football world cup there are teams that qualify via different regions in Asia, Africa and North America when in all honesty they quite often take the place of a few European or South American countries who are superior. But saying that Flash and soO would have been potential winners at Blizzcon, where it was hard to see Lilbow or Polt winning.
Yup.
World Chess Champion Garry Kasparov once referred to a few "lesser" grandmasters at a tournament as "Chess Tourists" who travel the world to play in all kinds of tournaments, but never stand a chance of winning a top-level event.
That expression always comes to mind when I see "players" like Lilbow. In this specific instance, I don't mind that he lost, but he took the place away from someone who would have tried harder.
Putting up a fight against Life in front of 40,000 viewers/sponsors/commentators etc. on Twitch is a chance he won't get again any time soon.
I don't think he'll ever win a WCS again. And looking at his attitude, he doesn't deserve it either.
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Well, If he wins the next dreamhack, it's going to be such a great story! One spin would be: "he proved the haters wrong, now everyone apologise to the master strategist, Napoleon incarnated" and the other one: "if he is so good, he should've prepared for blizzcon. It's 10000000 times more important than dreamhack. Let's hate him more". A controversial figure is exactly what starcraft community needs. Not more machines, who didn't practise much, because they slept (or powered down) for a few hours. And even if Lilbow doesn't win at dreamhack, he will still generate a lot of negative following for himself and serve us as the next Idra/Naniwa. So yeah - short of winning Blizzcon, Lilbow got us the best case scenario. Losing to Life in a normal fashion 0-3 or 1-3 would have been so underwhelming. But now we have a great story, just waiting to unfold.
Go Lilbow! You have to get the first place at dreamhack!
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On November 03 2015 08:50 rfv14 wrote:
Well, If he wins the next dreamhack, it's going to be such a great story! One spin would be: "he proved the haters wrong, now everyone apologise to the master strategist, Napoleon incarnated" and the other one: "if he is so good, he should've prepared for blizzcon. It's 10000000 times more important than dreamhack. Let's hate him more". A controversial figure is exactly what starcraft community needs. Not more machines, who didn't practise much, because they slept (or powered down) for a few hours. And even if Lilbow doesn't win at dreamhack, he will still generate a lot of negative following for himself and serve us as the next Idra/Naniwa. So yeah - short of winning Blizzcon, Lilbow got us the best case scenario. Losing to Life in a normal fashion 0-3 or 1-3 would have been so underwhelming. But now we have a great story, just waiting to unfold.
Go Lilbow! You have to get the first place at dreamhack!
Lilbow can't be the next bad boy of StarCraft. He's a nice guy who made the mistake of clumsily making excuses for a bad showing because he didn't practice enough. Disappointing, but not seduced to the dark side (unfortunately  ).
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On November 03 2015 08:50 rfv14 wrote:
Well, If he wins the next dreamhack, it's going to be such a great story! One spin would be: "he proved the haters wrong, now everyone apologise to the master strategist, Napoleon incarnated" and the other one: "if he is so good, he should've prepared for blizzcon. It's 10000000 times more important than dreamhack. Let's hate him more". A controversial figure is exactly what starcraft community needs. Not more machines, who didn't practise much, because they slept (or powered down) for a few hours. And even if Lilbow doesn't win at dreamhack, he will still generate a lot of negative following for himself and serve us as the next Idra/Naniwa. So yeah - short of winning Blizzcon, Lilbow got us the best case scenario. Losing to Life in a normal fashion 0-3 or 1-3 would have been so underwhelming. But now we have a great story, just waiting to unfold.
Go Lilbow! You have to get the first place at dreamhack!
There's a reason I tune in to StarCraft streams instead of big brother streams. :/
Maybe we should have the pro gamers vote each other out of blizzcon, and winning a game grants you immunity. would it increase stream numbers??
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