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On November 03 2015 12:39 DCStarcraftGall wrote:
People hated Life so much for his plays until lilbow came out and tweeted for whatever braindead thoughts he was having.
Now, Lilbow is just another whining foreigner.
Not for the first time, I agree with almost everything you say... but I was confused by this statement.
Are you talking about something in the past, or do you mean that Korean viewers didn't like the way Life disrespected Lilbow? Because from what I saw in the LR thread, most people on TL agreed right away that Lilbow brought that disrespect on himself by being unable to cope with elementary aggressive openings.
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On November 03 2015 12:17 Larkin wrote:
More disappointed in Life for cheesing him. He had just as much responsibility as Lilbow did to put on an entertaining show.
Game 1 was legit Life style Zerg. I am unsure even if lilbow knew it was coming(which, if he ever watched Life play, should have known it would have come sometime) would have been able to deflect it. Of course, lilbow didn't because he didn't practice anything.
Game 2 was the only cheese I could call a cheese in the game. I think Life found lilbow's lack of scouting kinda easy to abuse. Again, this is natural progamer mindset, wouldn't call Life out for this.
Game 3 was Life going "Please defend this Lilbow, you are the sole foreign hope and if you just made- Oh nvm"
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Good write and nice to read, totally agree... Foreign Hope, fuck man
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On November 03 2015 12:52 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 12:39 DCStarcraftGall wrote:
People hated Life so much for his plays until lilbow came out and tweeted for whatever braindead thoughts he was having.
Now, Lilbow is just another whining foreigner. Not for the first time, I agree with almost everything you say... but I was confused by this statement. Are you talking about something in the past, or do you mean that Korean viewers didn't like the way Life disrespected Lilbow? Because from what I saw in the LR thread, most people on TL agreed right away that Lilbow brought that disrespect on himself by being unable to cope with elementary aggressive openings.
This is a summary of the opinions that was going on at SGall at the time. Although I might agree with the sentiments, this has none of my opinion included.
Me included, SGall was of the opinion Life was going a bit overboard with his ling pushes after the first game. Did he really have to eliminate the foreign hope that quickly? He doesn't know entertainment.
Then, Lilbow busted out his tweets and everyone began to be disappointed(in the worst way imaginable)
If you want my opinions, the ID RCCar is my TL account.
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2 games?? uh if he only really practiced 2 games of HOTS for this (the biggest event of the year)... whoa...
most casuals play more than that every day...
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
life vs protoss, lilbow vs zerg
did people really expect to be entertained??
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On November 03 2015 12:59 lichter wrote:
life vs protoss, lilbow vs zerg
did people really expect to be entertained??
Lilbow could have done 2gate 3 times in a row and went up to Ro8 and I know for sakes I would have been entertained
He could have pulled a 7 probe rush and so long as it works by golly I don't know any Toss OP
Just for the fact that lilbow was the sole foreigner, he would have gotten away with so much.
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On November 03 2015 12:54 RCCar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 12:17 Larkin wrote:
More disappointed in Life for cheesing him. He had just as much responsibility as Lilbow did to put on an entertaining show. Game 1 was legit Life style Zerg. I am unsure even if lilbow knew it was coming(which, if he ever watched Life play, should have known it would have come sometime) would have been able to deflect it. Of course, lilbow didn't because he didn't practice anything. Game 2 was the only cheese I could call a cheese in the game. I think Life found lilbow's lack of scouting kinda easy to abuse. Again, this is natural progamer mindset, wouldn't call Life out for this. Game 3 was Life going "Please defend this Lilbow, you are the sole foreign hope and if you just made- Oh nvm"
Game 1 and 2, I agree. But game 3 was life abusing what he knew about the previous 2 games: Lilbow always puts his gateway at the nat rather than his main ramp. Also, Life clearly disrespected Lilbow as he didn't even shake his hand or acknowledge his presence after the series. He just got up and left like he was taking break from laddering on his smurf account. I've heard plenty of koreans voice disagreement with Lilbow being in the top 16 because they don't think he deserved it. It wouldn't surprise me if the korean pro gamers felt the same and life's actions in the series give off that vibe.
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I was very entertained.
I would have been much less entertained by 3 macro openings from Life into 3 failed all ins by Lilbow.
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Mute City2363 Posts
To flip this around, consider the fact that there are currently four protosses remaining in the bracket, one of whom Life is guaranteed to play should he beat INnoVation. Why the hell would he reveal anything that he doesn't need to?
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On November 03 2015 13:03 RCCar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 12:59 lichter wrote:
life vs protoss, lilbow vs zerg
did people really expect to be entertained?? Lilbow could have done 2gate 3 times in a row and went up to Ro8 and I know for sakes I would have been entertained He could have pulled a 7 probe rush and so long as it works by golly I don't know any Toss OP Just for the fact that lilbow was the sole foreigner, he would have gotten away with so much.
i actually find cheesy games way more entertaining than +2blink sentry or life's often uninspired (however effective) zvp
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CatZ just disappointed me so much with his post on reddit.
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On November 03 2015 13:04 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
To flip this around, consider the fact that there are currently four protosses remaining in the bracket, one of whom Life is guaranteed to play should he beat INnoVation. Why the hell would he reveal anything that he doesn't need to?
exactly,
if he can't hit your fastball then you never throw any other pitch.
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On November 03 2015 13:03 StasisField wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 12:54 RCCar wrote:On November 03 2015 12:17 Larkin wrote:
More disappointed in Life for cheesing him. He had just as much responsibility as Lilbow did to put on an entertaining show. Game 1 was legit Life style Zerg. I am unsure even if lilbow knew it was coming(which, if he ever watched Life play, should have known it would have come sometime) would have been able to deflect it. Of course, lilbow didn't because he didn't practice anything. Game 2 was the only cheese I could call a cheese in the game. I think Life found lilbow's lack of scouting kinda easy to abuse. Again, this is natural progamer mindset, wouldn't call Life out for this. Game 3 was Life going "Please defend this Lilbow, you are the sole foreign hope and if you just made- Oh nvm" Game 1 and 2, I agree. But game 3 was life abusing what he knew about the previous 2 games: Lilbow always puts his gateway at the nat rather than his main ramp. Also, Life clearly disrespected Lilbow as he didn't even shake his hand or acknowledge his presence after the series. He just got up and left like he was taking break from laddering on his smurf account. I've heard plenty of koreans voice disagreement with Lilbow being in the top 16 because they don't think he deserved it. It wouldn't surprise me if the korean pro gamers felt the same and life's actions in the series give off that vibe.
If I was Life, I would also not shake hands with a guy I just knocked out in about 20 mins, especially when he speaks a language I am not familiar with.
If I was lilbow, I would have switched up my play and would have played way more safer. Made a fast MSC. Forge first. Goes to show he didn't practice.
A pro not playing his hardest against another pro... Now that's real disrespect.
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On November 03 2015 13:14 RCCar wrote:
CatZ just disappointed me so much with his post on reddit.
Why? It seemed to me like he understood at least in part why Lilbow did what he did. I mean, sure, he committed social media suicide by his comments, and he definitely disappointed a lot of people through his actions, but let's be honest, he was almost guaranteed to lose vs anyone except maybe hydra. So what do you do? Spend two months so that you MAYBE pull a game or two off of life, or do you put that time towards LotV in the hopes that you can get a jump on the other koreans?
You can't look at it from just the spectator's perspective; you have to also see it from his perspective.
EDIT: I'm not denying that his actions were "dishonourable," and they definitely should not be praised, but it is still a career for him, and SC 2 does not reward for playing "honourably." It rewards for winning, regardless of whether we liked seeing it or not.
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If Life didn't know who Lilbow was before Blizzcon, he laughs at who he knows he is now.
What a pathetic excuse for a player, honestly.
Any bottom tier Korean player would KILL for the chance to play in Lilbow's spot for even the slightest chance of glory in front of the fans, and this kid throws it away because he's more concerned with a vague future than any sense of integrity for the game or the community.
It takes a lot to fucking disgust me, but this honestly takes the fucking cake.
Lilbow is honestly just as a bad as someone who matchfixed to me now.
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Remember when Stephano used to not practice and show up basically drunk to events and wreck face? I miss those days.
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On November 03 2015 13:47 FrkFrJss wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 13:14 RCCar wrote:
CatZ just disappointed me so much with his post on reddit. Why? It seemed to me like he understood at least in part why Lilbow did what he did. I mean, sure, he committed social media suicide by his comments, and he definitely disappointed a lot of people through his actions, but let's be honest, he was almost guaranteed to lose vs anyone except maybe hydra. So what do you do? Spend two months so that you MAYBE pull a game or two off of life, or do you put that time towards LotV in the hopes that you can get a jump on the other koreans? You can't look at it from just the spectator's perspective; you have to also see it from his perspective. EDIT: I'm not denying that his actions were "dishonourable," and they definitely should not be praised, but it is still a career for him, and SC 2 does not reward for playing "honourably." It rewards for winning, regardless of whether we liked seeing it or not.
And lilbow definitely is playing to win amright?
Hope a month of playing a beta game gets him some big bucks in Dreamhack.
Loved him playing LoL at Blizzcon as well hahaha
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On November 03 2015 13:03 StasisField wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 12:54 RCCar wrote:On November 03 2015 12:17 Larkin wrote:
More disappointed in Life for cheesing him. He had just as much responsibility as Lilbow did to put on an entertaining show. Game 1 was legit Life style Zerg. I am unsure even if lilbow knew it was coming(which, if he ever watched Life play, should have known it would have come sometime) would have been able to deflect it. Of course, lilbow didn't because he didn't practice anything. Game 2 was the only cheese I could call a cheese in the game. I think Life found lilbow's lack of scouting kinda easy to abuse. Again, this is natural progamer mindset, wouldn't call Life out for this. Game 3 was Life going "Please defend this Lilbow, you are the sole foreign hope and if you just made- Oh nvm" Game 1 and 2, I agree. But game 3 was life abusing what he knew about the previous 2 games: Lilbow always puts his gateway at the nat rather than his main ramp. Also, Life clearly disrespected Lilbow as he didn't even shake his hand or acknowledge his presence after the series. He just got up and left like he was taking break from laddering on his smurf account. I've heard plenty of koreans voice disagreement with Lilbow being in the top 16 because they don't think he deserved it. It wouldn't surprise me if the korean pro gamers felt the same and life's actions in the series give off that vibe.
I don't think you can call that part disrespect. Most of the games I saw the winner didn't acknowledge the loser, even Rogue and Maru.
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This is just a really sad situation, and illustrates well the problem of having a scene composed largely of young men driven by social media. Just a big, mean, ugly circle of compounding nastiness.
I am disappointed in Lilbow for deciding to do as he did, and for reacting the way he has.
But I'm more saddened by the very strong possibly that his career and possibly his mental and emotional health as well is about to be destroyed by stupid internet comments and community rage.
At this point, I just pray everyone involved can get past this with minimum damage taken. There's no glory here.
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