EPTLilbow and his Approach to WCS Finals 2015 - Page 18
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BreAKerTV
Taiwan1658 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On November 03 2015 17:59 BreAKerTV wrote: I'm interested in hearing what the Korean fans are saying in regards to what Lilbow has said. On November 03 2015 12:39 DCStarcraftGall wrote: The funny thing about lilbow is, that he had generated an incredible amount of positive comment in Korean Communities as well. As I might have explained in a past topic (WCS Region Lock), many people believed that the foreign community can flourish when left alone, and Lilbow was the best example everyone could give. I am sure with this kind of sentiment back in Korea, the foreign sentiment for Lilbow wouldn't even compare. Just know, whoever is defending him at this point, that you are agreeing to be completely fine with him taking every foreigner's dream, every foreigner's hope, and spitting into it, crumpling it up into a little tiny ball, and throwing it in the trash can. I have read some facebook comments stating that the Koreans would have leaked lilbow's builds if he had chosen to practice with them. Korean progamers have more honour than that. Before they question us on ours, I would like them to think about how Lilbow threw away his honor as a professional gamer. Lilbow first says he practiced 2 HOTS games. Then he declares he lost only because Life cheesed. Then, he declares he lost because nobody would practice with him in HOTS. And finally, he blocks TLO. People hated Life so much for his plays until lilbow came out and tweeted for whatever braindead thoughts he was having. Now, Lilbow is just another whining foreigner. Compare him to FanTaSy, who, amidst all odds that herO would dominate 3-0, actually took an insane first game and lost others but making it look so close. Compare him to Polt and Hydra, (who, by the way, beat Dream who beat Life who beat Lilbow) who clearly came prepared with clear builds in their mind, knew how their opponent would play, and crushed them in the end. Remind me to say that Lilbow beat Hydra back in WCS. Guess who went up to Ro8 and who didn't? Lilbow now keeps resorting to 'Life cheesed me', after building not a single forge nor mothership core. If Lilbow sincerely thought he would have a chance vs Life based on some mid game build orders that he wrote down after 2 games of HOTS, he just disrespected the entire SC2 scene. Maybe, Lilbow should stop playing LoL and get practicing. Really hope he comes through in Dreamhack and proves us wrong that foreigners have no professionalism in ESports. Or maybe I should cheer on Snute, Mana, TLO, or Bunny. They would have played their hearts out. I wonder what HyuN was thinking, and Dark, and every other progamer who was following this entire scene. Go look at PartinG's tweet after he lost. We're not your fans anymore Lilbow. Private comment: The tweet that made sd_andeh sick? I was the one who asked him that. It made me sick too and I quit tweeting him after that. I wanted something that would restore my faith in him, that 2 games of HOTS was a really bad comment because he was angry and he actually played 2000 or something. Really wanted him to get through, but I don't think he deserves anything anymore. Pretty sure DCSG said this is him translating from a Korean forum. | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
Lilbow is not the disgrace here. We are. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12132 Posts
On November 03 2015 18:13 Otolia wrote: When people wonder, yet another time, why nobody cares about SC2 anymore, I will link to this thread. I will link to this moment where the collective mind of spectators decided it was more important to talk about a player that got crushed instead of talking about the last event of HotS. Lilbow is not the disgrace here. We are. You are getting it wrong. As was stated many times before - this is not about Lilbow not winning. This is about Lilbow not caring and showing it. He handled it wrongly, he made a mistake and this would happen to every other professional sportsman(or sport team) out there. | ||
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rotta
5625 Posts
On November 03 2015 18:13 Otolia wrote: When people wonder, yet another time, why nobody cares about SC2 anymore, I will link to this thread. I will link to this moment where the collective mind of spectators decided it was more important to talk about a player that got crushed instead of talking about the last event of HotS. Lilbow is not the disgrace here. We are. I'm pretty sure it was Lilbow who decided that the last event of HotS is not important. This is still not about him getting crushed, but I guess your fanboy glasses are too thick to see that.  | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
he owes it to noone but himself. instead of caring for something he cares about, he neglected it and took the easier pathway. there's nothing stopping you from practicing for both games at once, not even the idea of having only ladder heroes to play against and not even the idea of strictly studying VODs. as the combination of everything goes, the most you'll get out of him is a standard apology. i'm sorry,i made the wrong judgment and acted out of non-discipline. whether or not he will feel the words of his apology in more than writing is quite irrelevant imo. if he doesn't straddle the pressure and perform more than every opponent (of whom you can be sure will do homework and practice hard to defeat him) at the beginning of the new xpac, his career is essentially over. nobody rebounds from that. | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
On November 03 2015 18:17 deacon.frost wrote: You are getting it wrong. As was stated many times before - this is not about Lilbow not winning. This is about Lilbow not caring and showing it. He handled it wrongly, he made a mistake and this would happen to every other professional sportsman(or sport team) out there. I'm not getting it wrong. The SC2 scene is weak and pathetic and people like you are the reason why. That was the message of my post. I couldn't care less about Lilbow's actions, I didn't even watch the game. I didn't watch SC2 since last WCS and I'm not even following the results beyond consulting LP from time to time. But I guess, like Lilbow, you prefer excuses and diversions to accepting the nefarious impact your actions have. Because no matter what Lilbow do or did, he is but one person whose reach is limited. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12132 Posts
On November 03 2015 18:45 Otolia wrote: I'm not getting it wrong. The SC2 scene is weak and pathetic and people like you are the reason why. That was the message of my post. I couldn't care less about Lilbow's actions, I didn't even watch the game. I didn't watch SC2 since last WCS and I'm not even following the results beyond consulting LP from time to time. But I guess, like Lilbow, you prefer excuses and diversions to accepting the nefarious impact your actions have. Because no matter what Lilbow do or did, he is but one person whose reach is limited. I prefer professionalism before amateurism when we are talking about professional player. That's all. Edit> Also, "couldn't care less" means you actually care a little  | ||
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TurboMaN
Germany925 Posts
On November 03 2015 01:12 sd_andeh wrote: I also want to add that this may very well be the single biggest stage Lilbow will ever play in. Think about that for a minute and then tell me he did the right thing in playing 2 hots games the last 3 months. Don't want to join the hate train here, but it doesn't make sense to me. HotS is the game where foreigners really have a chance to beat Koreans. LotV will be technically way more demanding so the Korean skill gap will be even further away. | ||
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Elentos
55587 Posts
On November 03 2015 18:54 deacon.frost wrote: I prefer professionalism before amateurism when we are talking about professional player. That's all. Edit> Also, "couldn't care less" means you actually care a little "Could care less" means you care. | ||
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xyzz
567 Posts
On November 03 2015 18:54 deacon.frost wrote: I prefer professionalism before amateurism when we are talking about professional player. That's all. Edit> Also, "couldn't care less" means you actually care a little You got it wrong. "couldn't care less" means he absolutely could not care any less, meaning his level of caring is already zero. The common typo that people say is "I could care less" and then your remark would apply, but not here. | ||
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rotta
5625 Posts
On November 03 2015 18:45 Otolia wrote: I couldn't care less about Lilbow's actions, I didn't even watch the game. I didn't watch SC2 since last WCS and I'm not even following the results beyond consulting LP from time to time. Awesome, many thanks for your invaluable insight! | ||
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FromtheAbysS
32 Posts
On November 03 2015 05:25 DSK wrote: Ultimately it was disappointing, but I found it entertaining nonetheless, hearing Life shit talk Lilbow before seeing him walk all over Lilbow. Agree. That was so hilarious how Life showed a lack of respect for Lilbow It was entertaining. People want to see a show, trash talks, direspect. But behind, they are true professionals, Life knew very well Lilbow even if he said "Lilbow who ?" in pre game interview. For the serie between Lilbow and Life, I don't know. I think Lilbow knew Life has gone to cheese him all serie long, especially after game 1 so he might have done better opening or more scoot. His behaviour, or his lack of motivation can diserve him but I can't blame him. ATM maybe he is the best foreigner, but he has to secure his status. I think this blizzcon came to quick for him. He didn't show enough to play seriously with the others 15 best players in the world, so I understand his choice to play LOTV. Furthermore I think the others 15 guys already start to play LOTV as I saw Polt streamed on it few weeks ago, but as they play all day long, they can play on LOTV and HOTS. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12132 Posts
On November 03 2015 19:01 xyzz wrote: You got it wrong. "couldn't care less" means he absolutely could not care any less, meaning his level of caring is already zero. The common typo that people say is "I could care less" and then your remark would apply, but not here. Then there's an error in my translation, never mind. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
lilbow was the one who qualified, he was allowed to make the decisions, I very much doubt he gives a shit if casters or retired pro gamers question his choices. lilbow has the talent. he will come back strong and be a force in LOTV if that is what he chooses to do. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12132 Posts
On November 03 2015 19:13 KelsierSC wrote: If I had to play against life in the first round i'd probably just hide in the bathroom crying. lilbow was the one who qualified, he was allowed to make the decisions, I very much doubt he gives a shit if casters or retired pro gamers question his choices. lilbow has the talent. he will come back strong and be a force in LOTV if that is what he chooses to do. Actually that is and isn't right at the same time. The true professional can prepare for the next game and just ignore Blizzcon, that's true. But the true professional is NOT vocal about it! That's the difference. His wording of his attitude is wrong, not what he's done | ||
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ybjoony
Korea (South)15 Posts
Lilbow made a very bad mistake in PR, and it is within everybody's rights to speak their mind about their disappointment and that will potential impact that rash action will have foreign scene and region lock. However, I do hope that he learns something about professionalism and respect from this, or at least, common sense to not say something like this aloud. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On November 03 2015 19:18 ybjoony wrote: I don't think people here are being too aggressive or trying to crucify him, as somebody mentioned. Lilbow made a very bad mistake in PR, and it is within everybody's rights to speak their mind about their disappointment and that will potential impact that rash action will have foreign scene and region lock. However, I do hope that he learns something about professionalism and respect from this, or at least, common sense to not say something like this aloud. If he starts winning again it doesn't really matter what "PR mistakes" he makes. | ||
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JayuSC2
Austria32 Posts
I agree that he shouldn't have talked about not practicing, he said so to protect his ego, and it's admittedly childish, but people should try to understand him before jumping on the bandwagon and bashing him. What if he had trained hard and spent hours of practicing for this, and then he would've been crushed either way. He saved himself a lot of disappointment and time by not even trying something, which to him, the chances of winning, seemed not worth the effort. It's easy to call it a "loser mentality", but from what he has achieved so far, he is pretty far from having a "loser mentality". | ||
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Penev
28535 Posts
On November 03 2015 11:34 Plexa wrote: I dont think he was afraid, but your analysis is right. Giving 100% effort he could get a 30-40% chance vs life at best. So why not focus on LotV, get really good at that, and crush the tournaments after that. The payoff there is far greater since his chance of winning R1 was so low. It's a disappointing stance from the spectator point of view, but understandable from his point of view. Is it really that hard to do both though? He had a lot of time to practice. I can understand his decision but I have a hard time agreeing with it. For his own sake that is. He tweeted before the match that he was nervous. This reminds me of being nervous for a test I didn't practice for back at school. It feels so much better to be prepared for such a thing and if you fail; Not to have even tried felt/ feels way worse (to me) than just failing. Sure, Life was the favorite and the practice circumstances weren't ideal but maybe he should have tried harder. Anyway, I hope he bounces back from this. | ||
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