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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
October 20 2015 14:43 GMT
#81
On October 20 2015 17:36 Holybouseman wrote:
Zeratul is responsible for Kerrigan becoming Queen of Blades once again - after all, he's the one who told Kerrigan about Zerus. This fact alone is way more than enough to have the other Protoss hate Zeratul and see him as a traitor. Let's be honest here, if any of you had an extremely powerful enemy that suddenly lost a great deal of her power and then one of the people you considered to be a friend went and helped that enemy regain all of the lost power or maybe even become more powerful than she was before, you'd see this as a treason too.

If it is so, some of the Protoss might look at all Zeratul has done differently and for example question whether he really didn't know killing Zasz would reveal Aiur's location to the Overmind or whether he wasn't in league with Kerrigan when it came to killing Raszagal (after which he suddenly disappeared). After all, if one believes Zeratul is a traitor, he has every right to wonder how deep does his treachery go and whether some of his actions weren't a part of an evil plot.

As for why Talis and Karass didn't act hostile towards Zeratul - well, Zeratul met Karass before he helped Kerrigan, so the High Templar didn't have any reason to be mad at Zeratul and Talis... One logical explanation is that the Protoss knew about Zeratul helping Kerrigan because they've had some observers on Zerus... and, either Talis was too far away from Shakuras to hear the news or Artanis decided to keep this knowledge a secret to avoid pissing off the Dark Templar by accusing one of their heroes of treason just before the invasion.

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It can all be explained one way or another, but... If they come back to this a bit later and explain why and how the Protoss hate Zeratul - I'm fine with that little mystery being there, but if they just leave it as it is, that's just poor writing.

It's worth pointing out that 'high'-protoss are likely to mistrust Dark Templar because 'high'-protoss share all their thoughts via the Khala (collective conscious and all that) while the Dark Templar no longer have a connection to the Khala so their intentions are never truly known.

But let's be real, Zeratul was instrumental in bringing down the Overmind, saving the Aiur refugees, defending Shakuras and generally putting in work to uncover the mysteries of the universe. Moreover note that Artanis is implied to be the player during the SC1 (not BW) campaign so he fucking knows all of this. Artanis man, you dun goofed on this one.
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Nightshade.i
Profile Joined October 2015
2 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-21 12:04:12
October 21 2015 12:03 GMT
#82
Now... For what I have seen it was just Selendis to call Zeratul a traitor. This could be due to different things:

1) He is one of the reasons why the Overmind reached Aiur.
2) Zeratul abandoned the other Protoss after Broodwar instead of taking the lead of the Dark Templars.
3) He remade the Queen of Blades by assisting Kerrigan in reaching Zerus.
4) He boarded a capital ship as a stowaway, appeared within firing range of the leader of the Protoss and wanted him to stop reclaiming the Protoss homeworld.
5) Something else?

Looking at the points in order:
1) it is plausible that Selendis resents Zeratul for that. She knows the events of the first war and even if Zeratul was instrumental in the fall of the original Overmind, she might still be angered by that;
2) this can be seen as treachery, but the missions in WoL show that other protoss (both Nerazim and Khalai) do not care about this;
3) many state that the Protoss do not know about the Queen of Blades rebirth, but even if Kerrigan killed every protoss escapin Kaldir, the attack of the Zerg to the Dominion probably didn't go unnoticed, so it is possible that the Protoss know about her rebirth and her "disappearance" after the toppling of the Dominion (unless the events of LotV are contemporary to the events of HotS).
4) this along the first one is the most plausible (or at least I think).
5) I hope not.

Or may be I'm utterly wrong.
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
October 21 2015 12:24 GMT
#83
Where are goddamn dragoons? WoL = no dragoons, HotS = no dragoons, Whispers of Oblivion - pre-order = no dragoons, 1st mission of LotV = no goons.
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Nightshade.i
Profile Joined October 2015
2 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-21 13:03:54
October 21 2015 13:03 GMT
#84
On October 21 2015 21:24 outscar wrote:
Where are goddamn dragoons? WoL = no dragoons, HotS = no dragoons, Whispers of Oblivion - pre-order = no dragoons, 1st mission of LotV = no goons.

Technology to produce new Dragoons was lost with Aiur (in the lore) so... Probably you will get them after the first mission. Either it is stored in the Spear of Adun or is salvaged from Aiur + Show Spoiler +
before they escape again.
blackwolf
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark157 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-21 16:45:56
October 21 2015 16:45 GMT
#85
The way I understood it Zeratul being seen as a traitor, is simply because he disappears after Brood War without giving anyone a clue to what he is doing.

This at a time in which the protoss people surely needed him. He was after all one of the great leaders of the protoss, a war hero, and Raszagal even mentions that she wanted him to lead the dark templars after she died, iirc. To have such a person simply vanish might make the majority of the protoss feel betrayed.

It is important to remember that the other protoss knew nothing of his research into Amon. To them he simply vanished.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-21 17:16:20
October 21 2015 17:14 GMT
#86
Eh, Selendis literally said to Zeratul that "his interference brought ruin to Aiur." I can't see this referencing anything other than Zeratul accidentally mind-linking with the Overmind and giving away Aiur's location. Everything else, from killing Raszagal to re-infesting Kerrigan, doesn't seem related to that initial Aiur problem, though they're still reasonable reasons for them to get mad at.

I'm just baffled at why they're just now bringing up Aiur's downfall as a reason to get this mad at Zeratul. There are plenty of other more recent reasons to brand him as a traitor, but I dunno why they specifically brought up Aiur when he's easily gotten plenty of help and support since then. Maybe they just recently found out about the accidental mind link? Otherwise, I think it's just sloppy writing.
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Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
October 24 2015 01:36 GMT
#87
On October 20 2015 23:35 Swift118 wrote:
I am not expecting greatness from a story in an RTS, but at least give me something cool and present it in a decent fashion ffs. In the HotS trailer I knew what was in store when we had the very imaginative quote from Kerrigan "Vengeance shall be mine, for I am the Queen of blades." Like really that is some serious catering to the balloon heads. Could almost be WoW dialogue. It was like D3. I knew that game was fucked when I got to the first proper boss the Skeleton King and his attempt of intimidation was: "You will never defeat me, yayahhahahahaaha." Really offensive dogshit writing right there, and it got worse as I progressed further into the game.

On a positive side I hope the LotV missions themselves give me as much fun as the WoL campaign which I actually really liked a lot. HotS, not so much.


Actually no, you didn't really listen to the Skeleton King. Play the game again, listen to all his sound bytes throughout the game, listen to him talk to prisoners and even his own wife in cut scenes in the dungeon, and then (after all the context of who he was before he become the skeleton king) listen to how much of him is gone, how more like a puppet or drone he is, his language in tatters, barely able to make more than a few phrases. His eloquence gone, his heart absent, just a pile of bones corrupted by the prime evils.

The rest of the acts were shit--but you used the one good piece of writing in D3 as your pariah. You were mistaken.
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