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Charoisaur
Germany16086 Posts
On June 18 2015 04:27 Superouman wrote: What should be noted is that the entire map pool is entirely made of community maps. We can't bash blizz maps anymore  But we can bash blizzard for choosing the terrible community maps. | ||
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Thax
Belgium1060 Posts
Blizzard uses mostly community designed maps -> People complain about the maps. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16086 Posts
On June 18 2015 04:41 Thax wrote: Blizzard only uses Blizzard designed maps -> People complain about the maps and demand community maps. Blizzard uses mostly community designed maps -> People complain about the maps. maybe that's their strategy. choose the worst community maps possible so people want blizzard maps again instead of community maps. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24239 Posts
On June 18 2015 04:41 Thax wrote: Blizzard only uses Blizzard designed maps -> People complain about the maps and demand community maps. Blizzard uses mostly community designed maps -> People complain about the maps. TLMC yielded horrible maps this season, with backdoors and gimmicks everywhere. We're bashing the fact that Blizzard isn't able to choose the good community maps, and even worse removes an outstanding community one after one season. WTF ???? It's Foxtrot Labs all over again. Why do they hate you so much oh poor Uvantak ? On June 18 2015 04:42 Charoisaur wrote: maybe that's their strategy. choose the worst community maps possible so people want blizzard maps again instead of community maps. You know what ? Not that unlikely. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16086 Posts
On June 18 2015 04:39 [PkF] Wire wrote: Tell me you wouldn't prefer any HotS Blizzard map (Daedalus Point 1.0 not considered a map) to Moonlight Madness. secret spring, inferno pools, alterzim, klontas mire | ||
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
Vaani and Expedition lost were wacky and wierd but had plenty of excellent unusual pro games played on it, but the new map pool also has wierd and wacky maps  Overall not the map pool we need but definetly the map pool we deserve, we're the ones who made it after all | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24239 Posts
OK I take back what I said, Blizzard made dreadful maps too. Moonlight Madness is still unplayable though , trying to compare Moonlight Madness and Secret Spring is a bit like trying to tell what tastes better between shit and vomit.What saddens me beyond words is how many good maps there are and how accurate Blizzard are to always pick the worst. Well, in that case, I don't know who chose the finalists in TLMC6, but that guy really messed up and will bear the burden of that map pool forever. On June 18 2015 04:46 Gwavajuice wrote: I'll drink champagne to celebrate the removal of Echo, the most boring and ugliest map ever made. You cannot be serious ? I can understand the boring part, it's definitely very standard... But ugly ? Have you played Dash and Terminal ? | ||
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Elentos
55591 Posts
On June 18 2015 04:46 [PkF] Wire wrote: OK I take back what I said, Blizzard made dreadful maps too. Moonlight Madness is still unplayable though , trying to compare Moonlight Madness and Secret Spring is a bit like trying to tell what tastes better between shit and vomit.What saddens me beyond words is how many good maps there are and how accurate Blizzard are to always pick the worst. Well, in that case, I don't know who chose the finalists in TLMC6, but that guy really messed up and will bear the burden of that map pool forever. You don't understand, they've recreated the dream pool without using any of the maps from the original. | ||
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Magnifico
1958 Posts
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Elentos
55591 Posts
On June 18 2015 04:54 Tiaraju9 wrote: I'm crazy or there are three different entrances to my natural in Dash and Terminal LE? That map is certainly something special. | ||
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SidianTheBard
United States2475 Posts
On June 18 2015 04:46 [PkF] Wire wrote: OK I take back what I said, Blizzard made dreadful maps too. Moonlight Madness is still unplayable though , trying to compare Moonlight Madness and Secret Spring is a bit like trying to tell what tastes better between shit and vomit.Why do you hate Moonlight so much? I'd generally like to know as I am the creator of it. You keep saying how awful and unplayable it is but give no context what so ever. I got enough hate feedback from Habitation Station so feel free to speak your mind, I can take it, I'd love to hear the thoughts! | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24239 Posts
On June 18 2015 04:58 SidianTheBard wrote: Why do you hate Moonlight so much? I'd generally like to know as I am the creator of it. You keep saying how awful and unplayable it is but give no context what so ever. I got enough hate feedback from Habitation Station so feel free to speak your mind, I can take it, I'd love to hear the thoughts! I'm no mapmaking specialist and while I can see you tried to achieve something interesting and different here, I see absolutely zero way for Protoss to deal with the entrances to the third in early game and with the layout (open access to third and natural via ways that are really far apart). A competent T or Z player will always tear a P that tries to play a normal game apart ; even worse with a T since you can't wall a T on the natural. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how I see it, a 10 times more difficult version of Expedition Lost that was already tricky. I'll know quick since I'll probably keep Coda/Terraform/Bridgehead and your map since Dash & Terminal is so awful my eyes can't bear it. If you've seen the map played in PvT/PvZ and think P can do well on the map while not playing only 2 base, I'm interested. | ||
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SidianTheBard
United States2475 Posts
 It has changed quite a bit, between initial release into blizzard community spotlight into tlmc, so I'm hoping the constant changes help protoss out, but who really knows, only time can tell! | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
I'm excited to see BW terrain textures in action. | ||
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Finnz
United Kingdom260 Posts
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TronJovolta
United States323 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16086 Posts
We also saw the backdoor rocks abused in allins vs terran which is massively imbalanced because terran relies on bunkers to defend them and with backdoor rocks you have to make twice the amount of bunkers with scvs pulled on both entrances. I remember the game flash vs trap on expo lost from IEM katowice where trap just faked an immortal allin and flash had to make multiple bunkers on both entrances with scvs pulled. He realized relatively quickly that trap had only faked the allin but he already had so much invested in bunkers and lost so much mining time that he was massively behind. How blizzard can't see such obvious imbalance that promotes abusive and gimmicky strategies is beyond me, we already saw it sometimes that series get decided by map imbalance and this season it will probably be even worse. | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3529 Posts
The ones they kept of the old map are boring though, Expeditions Lost and Echo LE were really good maps. | ||
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Ingvar
Russian Federation421 Posts
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-NegativeZero-
United States2142 Posts
i'm especially interested to see how the small 2nd nat entrance on dash and terminal works, if it's balanced it could allow for some very interesting 3rd base placements. | ||
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