For the "why aren't they releasing the replay"-chanters. What would be the use of it? There is almost no way to prove via replay the guiltiness of a matchfixer. He'd have to click on the spine or stay with his screen on the creep for a few seconds to be considered guilty by high probability. Problem is it's quite unlikely that a match fixing pro would do that kind of stuff because even the dumbest pros would be aware of the suspiciousness in doing that. So everything we could learn from the replay would be, what we already know: Marineking played either suspicious or very bad. The next step would be to check his personal contact data which had been done obviously by kespa. So nothing would be gained by releasing the replay apart from more pitchforking.
I personally think, MK is innocent while his game vs Byul is definitely suspicious. Reason is his typical "ranting to myself in the booth"-reaction as he loses the game. He wouldn't have a reason to be that upset, if he played bad intentionally and neither I think he's such a good actor, nor that he would come to the idea of faking this part of his way of losing, too.
joke statement. they have zero interest in cleaning up their own house, and instead are interested in playing whack-a-mole with domestic illegal betting sites. kill one? new one comes up. kill one? new one comes up. or people bet peer to peer. or on sites like pinnacle that are perfectly legal in their jurisdiction.
On June 11 2015 20:02 sixfour wrote: joke statement. they have zero interest in cleaning up their own house, and instead are interested in playing whack-a-mole with domestic illegal betting sites. kill one? new one comes up. kill one? new one comes up. or people bet peer to peer. or on sites like pinnacle that are perfectly legal in their jurisdiction.
Ye, totally. Better they do nothing at all and let everything sink.
why can't they just answer the most important questions... WHERE was he looking when the spine and the creep entered his base for A MINUTE WHY did he go triple CC WHY did he leave the reapers at home
'oh our super experts know that he is 100% innocent, we even checked his fb messages'
On June 11 2015 22:12 SharkStarcraft wrote: why can't they just answer the most important questions... WHERE was he looking when the spine and the creep entered his base for A MINUTE WHY did he go triple CC WHY did he leave the reapers at home
'oh our super experts know that he is 100% innocent, we even checked his fb messages'
This is the best you will get as an answer to those questions, though you probably won't believe his version.
On June 11 2015 18:57 oGoZenob wrote: Excellent questions, but the answer where just random PR sentences that can be used by any company in any circonstances. You can switch answers between the different questions without losing any bit of information. I'm hugely disappointed. This is not an interview, this is a press release
I agree, nothing new, they just said: We check his computer, his phone and the replay, but more important: MK told us he is inoccent so everything is ok, the gambling sites are the evil, but our players dont rig matches, even when the match looks like 99.9% rigged.
On June 11 2015 12:10 plasmidghost wrote: I wish there were similar punishments in Dota 2 for matchfixing, I don't like that a player that threw a game is allowed to play at the biggest tournament in the game's history. I don't care if it was one time or if the game didn't matter, he should not be allowed to play in premier tournaments anymore.
This annoys the hell out of me in Dota too, but for some reason fans just don't give a fuck in that game. Every time someone fixes as match everyone goes well everyone makes mistakes let him back in he's paid the price after a few months, it's insane.
I don't think that DotA's ever had a match fixing scandal to the same degree that BW did, but I've only really followed DotA since TI3.
"That was one of the matches we believed was suspicious and we thoroughly investigated Marineking. We cannot reveal everything to the community, however what we can answer is that members of our match fixing committee reviewed the replays and concluded that the game was suspicious enough to open an investigation. We concluded that even though the match was suspicious there was no evidence that points to Marineking purposely throwing the match."
The last announcement was that they had PROVED it wasn't matchfixing. If this isn't enough to convince everyone that this is some corrupt bs, then nothing ever will.
On June 11 2015 23:38 Mozdk wrote: Hah. They just shot themselves in the foot.
"That was one of the matches we believed was suspicious and we thoroughly investigated Marineking. We cannot reveal everything to the community, however what we can answer is that members of our match fixing committee reviewed the replays and concluded that the game was suspicious enough to open an investigation. We concluded that even though the match was suspicious there was no evidence that points to Marineking purposely throwing the match."
The last announcement was that they had PROVED it wasn't matchfixing. If this isn't enough to convince everyone that this is some corrupt bs, then nothing ever will.
There was no previous announcement by KeSPA so that logic doesn't work.
Any time you have an internal investigation of an organization by the organization itself, it is a ridiculous situation and should be viewed as comedy as it is not serious. Anyone who understands what the term "conflict of interests" laughs at this situation.
Spot on. As someone who (and on hindsight probably incorrectly) defended San after his questionable outing, I had no doubt that the MK game was a complete farce. His overwhelming body language (a man who felt sick with himself for the choices he'd made) during the key moments alone was a dead giveaway. Wolf's observation that he'd never seen him look this shaken before. The absurd betting lines. And most of all, his play. I've seen many epic MK meltdowns/failures the last few seasons in PL. This wasn't one of them. I'd like to think that there were strong outside factors mostly beyond MK's control, and my main concern was that he would be okay going forward. For anyone that believes KeSPA here, I'm envious of your bliss.
Some of the questions are a bit too generic and didnt even need Kespa's answer.
If there is a member in the community that can specialist on this matter [analyze the replays of games suspected of match fixing] we are more than welcome to have them contact us.
Is it possible ? How to proove match fixing ? /troll mode ON Because it's ez to be innocent by default.
Is KeSPA willing to allow a small, independent panel of players and community members to analyze the replays (which will not be shared) of games suspected of match fixing? Why or why not?
If there is a member in the community that can specialist on this matter we are more than welcome to have them contact us.
So I'm not sure if this has been brought up in the thread yet. Do we have candidates?
Thanks TL, good questions generally. Although, and I said this before, concerning the MK match, it's not just the spinecrawler that makes it suspicious. He claims to expect a speedling all-in from what he scouted but that makes no sense at all.
Also, of course, the suspicious betting patterns deserve a KeSPA rsponse but
In addition to the previous questions, TeamLiquid inquired about the role (if any) Pinnacle is playing in any investigations. KeSPA declined to comment on questions relating to this.
shows they're unwilling to answer questions related to that.
As a side note I want to point out that it scares me to see some people post KeSPA = cool style responses. Not that KeSPA necessarily is in the wrong here but seriously people, a little more critical thinking pls, don't just bow to the authorities.
Is KeSPA willing to allow a small, independent panel of players and community members to analyze the replays (which will not be shared) of games suspected of match fixing? Why or why not?
If there is a member in the community that can specialist on this matter we are more than welcome to have them contact us.
So I'm not sure if this has been brought up in the thread yet. Do we have candidates?
You misread the answer. It said "No matter who will speak up, we'll instantly dismiss them as incompetent and be done with it."
Snarkiness aside, there is little chance Kespa is going to trust outsiders on this.
Is KeSPA willing to allow a small, independent panel of players and community members to analyze the replays (which will not be shared) of games suspected of match fixing? Why or why not?
If there is a member in the community that can specialist on this matter we are more than welcome to have them contact us.
So I'm not sure if this has been brought up in the thread yet. Do we have candidates?
I am a specialist.
The first question I am surprised hasn't already been asked is, "Did anyone bother to interview Marineking's hands?"
Marineking was there, BUT both his HANDS were causing the actions! I propose we split both his HANDS up in two separate boxes with recorders and a list of questions to answer. Let them tell both their stories and then put them in the same room together to keep a close EYE out for any inconsistencies.
Imagine what we could glean about mouse and keyboard input. Was the keyboard hand even aware of the mouse hand and the cursor relationship to a spine crawler?
On June 11 2015 23:38 Mozdk wrote: Hah. They just shot themselves in the foot.
"That was one of the matches we believed was suspicious and we thoroughly investigated Marineking. We cannot reveal everything to the community, however what we can answer is that members of our match fixing committee reviewed the replays and concluded that the game was suspicious enough to open an investigation. We concluded that even though the match was suspicious there was no evidence that points to Marineking purposely throwing the match."
The last announcement was that they had PROVED it wasn't matchfixing. If this isn't enough to convince everyone that this is some corrupt bs, then nothing ever will.
There was no previous announcement by KeSPA so that logic doesn't work.
On June 11 2015 23:38 Mozdk wrote: Hah. They just shot themselves in the foot.
"That was one of the matches we believed was suspicious and we thoroughly investigated Marineking. We cannot reveal everything to the community, however what we can answer is that members of our match fixing committee reviewed the replays and concluded that the game was suspicious enough to open an investigation. We concluded that even though the match was suspicious there was no evidence that points to Marineking purposely throwing the match."
The last announcement was that they had PROVED it wasn't matchfixing. If this isn't enough to convince everyone that this is some corrupt bs, then nothing ever will.
There was no previous announcement by KeSPA so that logic doesn't work.
Pay attention, or don't claim shit like that.
Show me a previous announcement from KeSPA itself and I'll take it back. The only one I've seen was from Team MVP.
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