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TL Interviews KeSPA Concerning Matchfixing

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TL.net ESPORTS
Profile Joined July 2011
4 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-11 02:32:19
June 11 2015 02:15 GMT
#1

KeSPA on Matchfixing


TeamLiquid was fortunate to secure an interview with KeSPA concerning the recent concerns over match fixing within Starcraft 2. During the most recent episode of "The Late Game", Wolf gave some insight as to how thorough of an investigation was conducted into the suspicious MarineKing game. The investigation included searching MarineKing's phone and computer for any evidence for conspiring to match fix. The investigation did not turn up any evidence to suggest that MarineKing was involved in any match fixing.


The questions chosen were decided by TeamLiquid staff and members of the community particularly involved in the match fixing discussions on TeamLiquid. Man Soo Cho, Secretary General of KeSPA, answered our questions on behalf of the organization. Special thanks to Chuddinater for facilitating the interview.


Man Soo Cho


There are many rumors of match fixing and illegal betting in Korea for multiple games. There are people who even believe that it is an open secret, especially since there is a precedent for it (the saviOr match fixing scandal). How long has KeSPA been aware of these illegal activities, and what has KeSPA been doing about it?

We are aware that there will always be individual that are interested in fixing matches in all sports. We continuously monitor sites and have created a clean e-Sports campaign to help combat illegal betting in Korea. We have set up a site for community members to give us information regarding illegal betting sites, as well as created a reward system for community members that give KeSPA information that leads to closer of an illegal betting site. You can find more information or send information to us at KeSPA’s official site http://e-sports.or.kr/clean/clean_intro.php.


Several community members have come out, claiming that they've received offers to fix matches. MMA and Solar both received offers to fix matches in the past, which they refused. Olivia Wong (Axiom Manager) and Mal (translator and tournament organizer) were contacted by sponsors that may be involved. Have other players or teams approached KeSPA regarding these offers? What has KeSPA been doing about these reports?

We are aware that players have been approached by match fixers and are working with teams to monitor contact between players and unknown individuals over social media and other outlets. Also, Olivia Wong’s statement about certain tournament sponsors being involved in online betting is a major reason KeSPA is very cautious in allowing players to participate in online tournaments. We need to make sure online tournaments have transparent sponsors that we can trust as well as make sure only an official observer, that has no affiliation with sponsors or betting sites, can watch the matches without stream delays. People may believe KeSPA is too strict with what online tournaments we will allow our players to participate in, however there are many risks that we want to protect our players and teams from when participating in unaffiliated online tournaments.


The most scrutinized game so far is MarineKing vs ByuL due to the voided bets and the nature of the game. Team MVP has made a statement claiming that the loss was not a thrown game. However, the VOD alone has given the community a reason to doubt that conclusion. MarineKing clearly saw a dot on his mini map. Did he go there using his POV? What was MarineKing doing during the time the creep/spinecrawler was visible on the mini map? Is there any reason for MarineKing not to check his mini map? Did MarineKing do anything out of the ordinary during the rush? Please walk us through your analysis of the replay.


That was one of the matches we believed was suspicious and we thoroughly investigated Marineking. We cannot reveal everything to the community, however what we can answer is that members of our match fixing committee reviewed the replays and concluded that the game was suspicious enough to open an investigation. We concluded that even though the match was suspicious there was no evidence that points to Marineking purposely throwing the match.


Do you have a panel of judges or referees that analyzes the games suspected of match fixing? What details do they specifically look for? What is their process for identifying suspicious actions in-game? What type of evidence do they look for? Did all the suspected matches receive this treatment?


KeSPA has a match fixing committee that is comprised of experts in the field and KeSPA representatives that review matches that are under suspicion. We do not want to release exactly what our committee looks for when reviewing cases as we do not want to let match fixers know what to avoid.


Is KeSPA willing to allow a small, independent panel of players and community members to analyze the replays (which will not be shared) of games suspected of match fixing? Why or why not?


If there is a member in the community that can specialist on this matter we are more than welcome to have them contact us.


What punishment would KeSPA issue if a player were found to be match fixing? Short of a direct confession, what kind of proof would be required to condemn a player? Have you taken steps towards monitoring that evidence?


If a player is found guilty of match fixing there are two punishments that we will hand down to the player. First we will ban that player and insure that the player will never be able to play professionally ever again. Second, we will work with the police and prosecutors to punish the player and all parties involved to the fullest extent of the law.


It took KeSPA a really long time before they agreed to release a statement regarding this issue. Some in the community believed that KeSPA had adopted an "ignorance is bliss" attitude because of the delay. Why did it take so long for KeSPA to make a statement, and does KeSPA plan on making more transparent statements in the future?


KeSPA does not respond to rumors and only will release facts. We took our time to collect evidence and look at every angle of the situation so we would be able to give a more knowledgeable statement. As the governing agency of e-Sports in Korea we do not make knee jerk reactions in response and needed time to make sure we had all the facts before we could proceed.


The community is very worried regarding the state of esports in Korea due to illegal gambling. Do you have any last words regarding this issue?


Match fixing is an ongoing issue in all professional sports and as more money is involved more people will be interested in fixing matches. We are actively finding ways to prevent match fixing and educating players on the issue. We continue to monitor the situation and welcome the community to give us their input. We thank you all for having such a large interest in Korean StarCraft II and hope you will continue to support our teams and tournaments.

In addition to the previous questions, TeamLiquid inquired about the role (if any) Pinnacle is playing in any investigations. KeSPA declined to comment on questions relating to this.


Interviewer: TeamLiquid
Interviewee: Man Soo Cho
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MirGHeaT
Profile Joined May 2014
17 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-11 02:26:31
June 11 2015 02:25 GMT
#2
basically, no match fixing or else you go to kespa jail

nice work by kespa nontheless :D
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 11 2015 02:26 GMT
#3
Oh snap. Well played KeSPA.
Thaniri
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1264 Posts
June 11 2015 02:27 GMT
#4
KeSPA means business. The more I learn about how they run SC2 the more impressed I am.
Chuddinater
Profile Joined July 2013
Korea (South)169 Posts
June 11 2015 02:31 GMT
#5
On June 11 2015 11:25 MirGHeaT wrote:
basically, no match fixing or else you go to kespa jail

nice work by kespa nontheless :D


KeSPA jail has been confirmed.
jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-11 02:34:50
June 11 2015 02:33 GMT
#6
Well, it's good to know they know & care about all this

I think there was more concrete information in Wolf's 15sec remarks than in this interview, though. Of course I understand the need to be professional and to keep specific information about countermeasures secret, it was just a little disappointing
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claybones
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States244 Posts
June 11 2015 02:36 GMT
#7
Very enlightening. I'm actually quite impressed with how they've handled this, it seems they've learned much over the years.
AWalker9
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United Kingdom7229 Posts
June 11 2015 02:43 GMT
#8
It's nice to see KeSPA's response to this thanks to Chuddinator and TL for setting this up
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
June 11 2015 02:44 GMT
#9
Good interview imo. Gave some much needed answers even though they couldn't give everything lol.
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
June 11 2015 02:47 GMT
#10
KeSPA is doing some good work, glad to see it.
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Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10092 Posts
June 11 2015 02:50 GMT
#11
On June 11 2015 11:31 Chuddinater wrote:
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On June 11 2015 11:25 MirGHeaT wrote:
basically, no match fixing or else you go to kespa jail

nice work by kespa nontheless :D


KeSPA jail has been confirmed.

ByuN still too good for kespa police
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CometNine
Profile Joined March 2012
New Zealand87 Posts
June 11 2015 02:50 GMT
#12
With this interview, I hope all the nay-sayers are put to rest.

It's a relief, though, to finally have KeSPA say something and at the same time, show their very professional approach to investigating matters like this.
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
June 11 2015 03:05 GMT
#13
Damn, I don't know what to think about MarineKing anymore. On the one hand, Kespa sounds serious about this, on the other hand the MarineKing match looks too suspicious for me to dismiss it just based on their word . And believe me, I'm just waiting to be convinced, basically.
sc2chronic
Profile Joined May 2012
United States777 Posts
June 11 2015 03:06 GMT
#14
TL stepping up the research on important stuff.
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plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
June 11 2015 03:10 GMT
#15
I wish there were similar punishments in Dota 2 for matchfixing, I don't like that a player that threw a game is allowed to play at the biggest tournament in the game's history. I don't care if it was one time or if the game didn't matter, he should not be allowed to play in premier tournaments anymore.
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paxconsciente
Profile Joined January 2015
Belgium91 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-11 03:15:36
June 11 2015 03:15 GMT
#16
Jesus, if MarineKing really wasn't match fixing his confidence must be completely ruined. He's playing so terribly that people are actually suspecting him of throwing games. Awful

That's what happens when you play games (LoL) and try to come back to an actual esport, Sorry LoL fans.

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Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
June 11 2015 03:21 GMT
#17
I like the good and direct questions. Thanks TL and Chuddinater for setting this up!
AxiomBlurr
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
786 Posts
June 11 2015 03:24 GMT
#18
yeah this is really great! Hats off to TL and KESPA. This interview goes a great way to restoring (only mildly tarnished in my opinion) the integrity of SC2 in Korea.

Thank you very much TL and KESPA.

Love and PACE!
TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
June 11 2015 03:26 GMT
#19
Nice questions. Obviously they can't disclose too much about their methods if they want to catch match fixers. The penalties seem pretty incredible. You would think ending the players career would be enough, but no, they want blood. Prosecute them criminally too, apparently. :D
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Hong Kong4685 Posts
June 11 2015 03:31 GMT
#20
They talk tough, but why not give us some evidence that MarineKing is innocent. After watching that game, he's guilty until proven innocent in my mind.
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