EPT[WCS] Premier Ro16 Groups Drawn - Page 2
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32761 Posts
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ossavi09
Germany441 Posts
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On June 01 2015 08:13 DeG3n wrote: Yes, I understood that, but it doesn't really make sense to me, I mean, there were four other players that could go into group A. Why not also draw from them? I think they actually draw them in a way that has people that were in the same Ro32 group on "opposite sides" of the bracket (E.g. TLO in C so Polt has to be in A or B) but that becomes completely pointless when you realise that the Ro8 has Group A vs Group C and Group B vs Group D so they could even play each other in the Ro8 depending on how the groups go. Or for short, I have no idea what they're doing and why. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On June 01 2015 08:13 DeG3n wrote: Yes, I understood that, but it doesn't really make sense to me, I mean, there were four other players that could go into group A. Why not also draw from them? Edit: Same ofc for all other groups. It gets messier and more complicated I guess. Since you would have to add and remove balls between each round, and you would have to be careful with the last 4 not to mess up and leave one of the last two in a group he can't be in. They just did it that way to make sure they don't mess up. Since you don't know which of the first place finishers will end up in which groups, it is a perfectly fair approach after all, so might as well go for simplicity. | ||
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SharkStarcraft
Austria2276 Posts
On June 01 2015 08:16 Shellshock wrote: I wish they could somehow do like a group skype call group selection or something like that i wish they could somehow recognize bunny is the foreign hope and put him in another group so he can go to blizzcon :D | ||
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Musicus
Germany23580 Posts
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
Group B is the group of death. Any two of those players could make it through. Group C is almost as tough to call, but I think Lilbow and IAsonu may take it. Group D should be Dong and SD, since they'll both be playing their best matchups. | ||
Jer99
Canada8160 Posts
On June 01 2015 09:19 Larkin wrote: I don't think Group A is group of death. Hydra and ForGG are pretty clear favourites to me. Bunny may take games, but he won't make it. Group B is the group of death. Any two of those players could make it through. Group C is almost as tough to call, but I think Lilbow and IAsonu may take it. Group D should be Dong and SD, since they'll both be playing their best matchups. i think you are confusing group of death, with closest group | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On June 01 2015 09:21 Jer99 wrote: i think you are confusing group of death, with closest group What is the definition of a group of death anyways? I've always taken it to be the answer to the question "Which group will result in the best players getting eliminated?", which in practice usually ends up being "Which group has the best third player?" | ||
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Jer99
Canada8160 Posts
On June 01 2015 09:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote: What is the definition of a group of death anyways? I've always taken it to be the answer to the question "Which group will result in the best players getting eliminated?", which in practice usually ends up being "Which group has the best third player?" i've always looked at it as "which group has the highest sum of skill" | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
On June 01 2015 09:21 Jer99 wrote: i think you are confusing group of death, with closest group On June 01 2015 09:56 Jer99 wrote: i've always looked at it as "which group has the highest sum of skill" Nah, to me, group of death = group where any player in it could make it through or be eliminated. Hence 'death'. Cause it's deadly. Group of skill = group A, sure. | ||
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nick00bot
326 Posts
[quote]Nah, to me, group of death = group where any player in it could make it through or be eliminated. Hence 'death'. Cause it's deadly. Group of skill = group A, sure./quote] Everyone uses group of death to mean hardest though, you gotta use phrases the same way everyone else does to communicate, though your rationalization is solid. I think of the hardest group as the group of death because its the most stacked and therefore even great players, who would make it far in other groups, will get eliminated | ||
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
On June 01 2015 10:13 nick00bot wrote: Everyone uses group of death to mean hardest though, you gotta use phrases the same way everyone else does to communicate, though your rationalization is solid. I think of the hardest group as the group of death because its the most stacked and therefore even great players, who would make it far in other groups, will get eliminated Yes, I think the 'hardest' group is Group B because every player in there could easily lose their matches to everyone else. Whereas in Group A, I think ForGG and Hydra will have an easier time of it than Bunny or Gungfu. | ||
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
GG Blizz GG Korea | ||
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Chrobas
Chile18 Posts
Bunny is going to have a hard time. I believe in him though  | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On June 01 2015 11:07 showstealer1829 wrote: Welp this drawing simply confirms 5 Koreans in the Ro8 of the WCS World tournament designed to lock out Koreans GG Blizz GG Korea Oh shut up. You guys have enough to enjoy. | ||
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Torrefy
41 Posts
On June 01 2015 10:21 Larkin wrote: Yes, I think the 'hardest' group is Group B because every player in there could easily lose their matches to everyone else. Whereas in Group A, I think ForGG and Hydra will have an easier time of it than Bunny or Gungfu. A good way to explain the 'group of death' is this. Let's say hypothetically there was a 17th player, and he got to choose what group he was put into. This is a completely generic player who has no preferred matchups and no history with any of the other 16 players. Whichever group he would least want to be put into is the potential group of death. Whichever group would give that player the worst chance of advancing. A true group of death, if there is one, should really be significantly scarier than the other groups. As in, the player might say "Whoa, I don't want to go in that group, that's the group of death!" So yes, the group with the highest total skill level among it's players is the one that might be a group of death. It's not about which group is the hardest to predict or most evenly matched, it's about which group if you stuck a player in it would give that player the lowest chance of advancing. I guarantee if you switched any of the players from Group A with a player from any of the other groups the Group A player's chances of advancing would go up (even the players who may be favorites to advance already would still see their chances increase.) That's what the group of death is. | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
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