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On June 01 2015 13:10 Torrefy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2015 10:21 Larkin wrote:On June 01 2015 10:13 nick00bot wrote:
Everyone uses group of death to mean hardest though, you gotta use phrases the same way everyone else does to communicate, though your rationalization is solid. I think of the hardest group as the group of death because its the most stacked and therefore even great players, who would make it far in other groups, will get eliminated Yes, I think the 'hardest' group is Group B because every player in there could easily lose their matches to everyone else. Whereas in Group A, I think ForGG and Hydra will have an easier time of it than Bunny or Gungfu. A good way to explain the 'group of death' is this. Let's say hypothetically there was a 17th player, and he got to choose what group he was put into. This is a completely generic player who has no preferred matchups and no history with any of the other 16 players. Whichever group he would least want to be put into is the potential group of death. Whichever group would give that player the worst chance of advancing. A true group of death, if there is one, should really be significantly scarier than the other groups. As in, the player might say "Whoa, I don't want to go in that group, that's the group of death!" So yes, the group with the highest total skill level among it's players is the one that might be a group of death. It's not about which group is the hardest to predict or most evenly matched, it's about which group if you stuck a player in it would give that player the lowest chance of advancing. I guarantee if you switched any of the players from Group A with a player from any of the other groups the Group A player's chances of advancing would go up (even the players who may be favorites to advance already would still see their chances increase.) That's what the group of death is.
Looking it up, that's not quite it. It's a group with more strong competitors than there are spots--the group with the best player(s) that will be inevitably eliminated. A group with herO, Life and two bronze leaguers would therefore not be a group of death, while your definition would consider it so.
That being said I'd still consider group A the group of death as I consider the two players eliminated from Group A to be bigger contenders in a vacuum than the two players eliminated from Group B.
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I'm liking this new system. There are lots of foreigners in the tournament now so that there are more opportunities for them to shine, while having a low number of koreans ensures that the games don't entirely devolve to "who sucks more"
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On June 01 2015 11:07 showstealer1829 wrote:
Welp this drawing simply confirms 5 Koreans in the Ro8 of the WCS World tournament designed to lock out Koreans
GG Blizz
GG Korea
I'd say 3 confirmed. Bunny can pull the unexpected...
and JD is JD 
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On June 01 2015 14:26 Deathstar wrote:
I'm liking this new system. There are lots of foreigners in the tournament now so that there are more opportunities for them to shine, while having a low number of koreans ensures that the games don't entirely devolve to "who sucks more"
Well, there are 2 more koreans here compared to last season. And no foreigner was able to beat any korean in the final stages in season 1, so I guess Ro8 will be the foreigners final round this time. I hope there won't be some other koreans next season, and I already wonder what will be the WCS rules for 2016.
Anyway, I like the effort put in drawings, so we won't see the same matches as in Ro32. And I hope Bunny will do well. And Lilbow too :-)
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OK. Lilbow should advance. And probably one more Frenchman, but not two.
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That group A Oo
I think ForGG will be eliminated
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United Kingdom10443 Posts
Group A & D are very strong.
Group C is by far the weakest, probably won't watch.
Hoping for
Group A -ForGG, Hydra
Group B - Polt,
Group C - who cares
Group D - Jaedong, Ret
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In Germany, we define the Group of Death as the group that has the highest chance of a tournament favourite (or just a very strong team/player) getting eliminated early. E.g. Group A will see one of ForGG, Hydra and Bunny eliminated for sure while skill wise all 3 of them should be top 8.
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Group A obviously group of death since it has Bunny + 2 Koreans.
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Group a - Hydra/Bunny
Group b Polt/Mlord
Group c Lilbow/TLO
Group d Stardust/Ret
also western europe carrying the west
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Why doesn't group A have 100% votes -.-
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ForGG/Hydra
#yearofharstem/Polt
IAsonu/Lilbow
Jaedong/Ret
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Germany3128 Posts
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My picks
A - ForGG, Hydra
B Polt, YearofHarstem
C - TLO, Gimli Terran
D - Jaedong, Stardust
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Damn. Tough group for Bunny.
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How is polt still a favourite after the way he stumbeld through the ro32? he will have to do a lot better to get anywere....
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On June 01 2015 20:14 Snotling wrote:
How is polt still a favourite after the way he stumbeld through the ro32? he will have to do a lot better to get anywere....
Polt always stumbles around in the group stages. If he makes it to the playoffs he enters god mode and becomes nigh-undefeatable for the players in WCS.
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On June 01 2015 08:16 Shellshock wrote:
I wish they could somehow do like a group skype call group selection or something like that
yea, but even if they could, would everyone show up?
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On June 01 2015 14:42 stefan16 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2015 11:07 showstealer1829 wrote:
Welp this drawing simply confirms 5 Koreans in the Ro8 of the WCS World tournament designed to lock out Koreans
GG Blizz
GG Korea I'd say 3 confirmed. Bunny can pull the unexpected... and JD is JD
JD still has a >90% match win rate against foreign zergs (75-6) and he gets to face 2 of them. would be shocking to me if he doesn't get out
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On June 01 2015 20:17 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2015 20:14 Snotling wrote:
How is polt still a favourite after the way he stumbeld through the ro32? he will have to do a lot better to get anywere.... Polt always stumbles around in the group stages. If he makes it to the playoffs he enters god mode and becomes nigh-undefeatable for the players in WCS.
He enters a group with three absolute top foreigners (under Bunny). He sould advance but it won't be easy in any case ! Also, he has the three match ups to prepare for While a weaker korean like stardust (nowadays) has only PvZ to practice.
Polt will definitely have to raise his level of play from what we've seen in the ro32 !
Bunny / Hydra (b/c Bunny will enter god mode)
Polt / Marinelord (b/c harstem is weaker in TvP, Marinelord if he plays at his real level go through, and b/c I don't like Firecake huhu )
Lilbow / Iaguz (b/c Lilbow is the best foreign PvZ, thus that creates a room for Iaguz if he can replicate his solid TvZ bomber-style)
Jaedong / Stardust (b/c Jaedong, and Stardust has only MU to prepare, Petrodollarus has a good shot)
my first thoughts about it, subject to change
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