TaKeTV just announced that they need 12 500 $ for HSC XI. They launched a crowdfunding page.
Here's the official announcement :
Big news! You've been asking about the next edition of HomeStoryCup for some time and now we can finally reveal our plans for HSC XI! Of course we can't wait to organize the next HSC - however, the truth is that every tournament – especially this one– costs a lot of money to provide you with a great show and awesome players and it is obvious that we cannot bring up this huge amount of money without enough sponsors. In the past we always gave our best to put all our cards on the table and that’s exactly what we’re doing now: This time the total budget provided by our sponsors MIFcom, NEEDforSEAT, Kinguin and EIZO will be covering $42,500 - which is great support but still $12,500 are missing to make HomeStory Cup XI come to life. It wasn’t an easy decision for us but instead of cancelling HSC XI and thanks to your encouragement we’re now asking you to help us make HSC XI happen from July 2 – 5 2015. Every little amount can help to get one step closer to HSC XI.
This is pretty awesome! I'd like to see some other rewards <100 though, even if its shitty like t-shirts and stuff, lots of people can't give 100 but can give more than 1.
I dont understand this, why are you raising money to pay the players accomodation, food, beverages etc.. Arent they supposed to take of this themselves? Or their teams for them?
On May 24 2015 04:35 EmSc Tv wrote: I need to talk to Take, I want to go ther and cover it live. Just give me a desk and internet connection. I will have the rest!
If you bring your own Powersource, they will, they will.
Jokes aside, I dont know they will have enough space for 2 Streams (A and B Stream), Player areas and so on with 175 m²
On May 24 2015 04:35 EmSc Tv wrote: I need to talk to Take, I want to go ther and cover it live. Just give me a desk and internet connection. I will have the rest!
I dont speak polish but i'll watch you if you are casting it^^
On May 24 2015 04:08 Veriol wrote: I dont understand this, why are you raising money to pay the players accomodation, food, beverages etc.. Arent they supposed to take of this themselves? Or their teams for them?
because it is HSC. also in the past (korean) players qualified but they or their team couldnt afford the travel cost.
On May 24 2015 04:53 SpikeStarcraft wrote: kinda weird that they lost xmg as a sponsor who has been with homestory cup from the very beginning.
I guess they dont like that TakeTV does a lot of projects with Acer.. i guess you cant advertise both.
It's also the fact that they've been sponsoring 10 HSCs, so most of the people that will watch it, already know XMG. Guess they want to reach a new audience and rather invest in something else now.
Btw they should offer more coaching imo, it should be easy for Take to get more pros, he knows everybody. And Stephano, Harstem, TLO will be gone really fast. 100 bucks for 2 hours coaching while supporting HSC is a really nice offer. Just get 20 more pros to offer it, 2000 bucks more . Or 10, each offering coaching twice. Maybe also 1 hour for 50 bucks?
Anyway, I will support this and I can't wait to watch it!
On May 24 2015 04:59 GumBa wrote: I wonder if a player actually bought it for himself or something or someone has a super rich fan. Or just full yolo goes and plays himself.
I think it's Broski, a TakeTV Ultra. And since he is German, I'm pretty sure he will show up himself, play HSC and enjoy the party afterwards.
He could always sell it to Taeja for profit though .
On May 24 2015 05:39 FiWiFaKi wrote: Bad crowdfunding setup...
Could have easily charged more for the coaching, and provide $10-$50 dollar prizes.
Since now most of the things are purchased, and thus, unless someone else wishes to become a sponsor, the rate of increase will quickly drop off.
They are working on a lot of stuff; perks from the last fundraisers are being delivered, new location gets build up, LOTUS is being played, etc. Maybe they currently just don't have the time to also work on a lot of 20/50 dollar perks.
On May 24 2015 05:54 Makro wrote: hope it's gonna success
Considering they've hit over 5k in a few hours, I can't imagine they won't get the 12.5k. Still, everyone should give a little, we should really try to hit some of the stretch goals. Basetrade hit 20k, why can't Take?
On May 24 2015 04:59 GumBa wrote: I wonder if a player actually bought it for himself or something or someone has a super rich fan. Or just full yolo goes and plays himself.
somewhere puma scrapped his eg money together, preparing his return while revolutionizing the game via the introducation of 2-2-2
About time that we heard about HSC. It'll be cool to see this Ultra hanging around, and presumably being bought his weight in beer by everyone else if he takes a map off anyone.
Personally, I'll be even more excited for HSC XII, when all of the external issues Take and co. are plagued with are resolved.
PayPal only? I'm sorry than. I contributed last time, with a Visa, so I don't get why it's PayPal only. Indiegogo takes a bigger cut if both options are available?
They really need to add some $20 and $50 levels to this. Not sure what they will offer for that, but once the bigger levels are all gone, the contributions are going to tail off hard.
If they actually added some of those, and maybe some Basetrade related stuff... Like $500 for allowing someone to cast games on the Basetrade stream or something (get creative guys) then they will easy hit that $20k even.
Good call to crowdfund the rest of the costs. HSC is 'the peoples tournament' anways, so to say. I really hope it won't give out any WCS points though - letting people buy a spot in a tournament with WCS points is really questionable in my opinion (yes, even if there is only some amateur taking the spot).
Campaign is looking good though, I hope they'll get to the BaseTradeTV perk. =)
On May 24 2015 18:25 nanaoei wrote: it would be kind of difficult to fund further without smaller donation amounts. is it really restricted to $1 only?
You can donate any amount you want. I donated 10 dollars.
On May 24 2015 18:25 nanaoei wrote: it would be kind of difficult to fund further without smaller donation amounts. is it really restricted to $1 only?
You can donate any amount you want. I donated 10 dollars.
yep but its badly presented, some people are not familiar with crowdfunding platform. it should be made more clear that you can give anything.
On May 24 2015 19:38 Clonester wrote: You did not buy enough XMG Notebooks, so XMG is not there. I hope someone buys the 5k perk and gets some fine Brazzers logo on it.
Honestly what is 5000 dollars ? Nothing. Pretty sure if you email brazzer about the project and explain it in number they would not say no.
On May 24 2015 18:25 nanaoei wrote: it would be kind of difficult to fund further without smaller donation amounts. is it really restricted to $1 only?
You can donate any amount you want. I donated 10 dollars.
yep but its badly presented, some people are not familiar with crowdfunding platform. it should be made more clear that you can give anything.
thats why we cant have additional deck slots in hearthstone...
On May 24 2015 15:17 Heyoka wrote: A lot of things have to be Paypal only because there is an incredible amount of fraud done via credit card for stuff like this.
Looks like it's taking off well, gl to take! Should be a fun event.
That's funny i dont use paypal for the same reasons and ofc the fees^^
On May 24 2015 18:25 nanaoei wrote: it would be kind of difficult to fund further without smaller donation amounts. is it really restricted to $1 only?
You can donate any amount you want. I donated 10 dollars.
yep but its badly presented, some people are not familiar with crowdfunding platform. it should be made more clear that you can give anything.
On May 24 2015 19:38 Clonester wrote: You did not buy enough XMG Notebooks, so XMG is not there. I hope someone buys the 5k perk and gets some fine Brazzers logo on it.
Honestly what is 5000 dollars ? Nothing. Pretty sure if you email brazzer about the project and explain it in number they would not say no.
Brazzers can't sponsor a WCS tournament because of a rule in the handbook.
On May 24 2015 18:25 nanaoei wrote: it would be kind of difficult to fund further without smaller donation amounts. is it really restricted to $1 only?
You can donate any amount you want. I donated 10 dollars.
yep but its badly presented, some people are not familiar with crowdfunding platform. it should be made more clear that you can give anything.
On May 24 2015 19:38 Clonester wrote: You did not buy enough XMG Notebooks, so XMG is not there. I hope someone buys the 5k perk and gets some fine Brazzers logo on it.
Honestly what is 5000 dollars ? Nothing. Pretty sure if you email brazzer about the project and explain it in number they would not say no.
Brazzers can't sponsor a WCS tournament because of a rule in the handbook.
Are we sure that HSC is a WCS event? That would be quite a bad call in my opinion (being able to buy a spot in a tournament should disqualify it from being WCS).
On May 24 2015 23:26 skatblast wrote: And the start of starcraft having to be crowdfunded to even happen, r.i.p.
yup, pretty sad....
Why is it sad? Crowdfunding brought insane amounts of prize money to Dota 2 which in turn got everyone and their mother to try to organize a popular tournament. The real question is "does Blizzard want to help crowdfunding".
The International was crowdfunded (to an extent but still), the Chinese iLeague is entirely crowdfunded. It happened to other esports before why it can't happen to Starcraft?
On May 25 2015 01:10 digmouse wrote: The International was crowdfunded (to an extent but still), the Chinese iLeague is entirely crowdfunded. It happened to other esports before why it can't happen to Starcraft?
On May 24 2015 18:25 nanaoei wrote: it would be kind of difficult to fund further without smaller donation amounts. is it really restricted to $1 only?
You can donate any amount you want. I donated 10 dollars.
yep but its badly presented, some people are not familiar with crowdfunding platform. it should be made more clear that you can give anything.
On May 24 2015 19:38 Clonester wrote: You did not buy enough XMG Notebooks, so XMG is not there. I hope someone buys the 5k perk and gets some fine Brazzers logo on it.
Honestly what is 5000 dollars ? Nothing. Pretty sure if you email brazzer about the project and explain it in number they would not say no.
Brazzers can't sponsor a WCS tournament because of a rule in the handbook.
Are we sure that HSC is a WCS event? That would be quite a bad call in my opinion (being able to buy a spot in a tournament should disqualify it from being WCS).
Well, you sir are a smart guy. I'll ask someone from Blizzard.
On May 24 2015 18:25 nanaoei wrote: it would be kind of difficult to fund further without smaller donation amounts. is it really restricted to $1 only?
You can donate any amount you want. I donated 10 dollars.
yep but its badly presented, some people are not familiar with crowdfunding platform. it should be made more clear that you can give anything.
On May 24 2015 19:38 Clonester wrote: You did not buy enough XMG Notebooks, so XMG is not there. I hope someone buys the 5k perk and gets some fine Brazzers logo on it.
Honestly what is 5000 dollars ? Nothing. Pretty sure if you email brazzer about the project and explain it in number they would not say no.
Brazzers can't sponsor a WCS tournament because of a rule in the handbook.
Are we sure that HSC is a WCS event? That would be quite a bad call in my opinion (being able to buy a spot in a tournament should disqualify it from being WCS).
Well, you sir are a smart guy. I'll ask someone from Blizzard.
On May 24 2015 18:25 nanaoei wrote: it would be kind of difficult to fund further without smaller donation amounts. is it really restricted to $1 only?
You can donate any amount you want. I donated 10 dollars.
yep but its badly presented, some people are not familiar with crowdfunding platform. it should be made more clear that you can give anything.
On May 24 2015 19:38 Clonester wrote: You did not buy enough XMG Notebooks, so XMG is not there. I hope someone buys the 5k perk and gets some fine Brazzers logo on it.
Honestly what is 5000 dollars ? Nothing. Pretty sure if you email brazzer about the project and explain it in number they would not say no.
Brazzers can't sponsor a WCS tournament because of a rule in the handbook.
Are we sure that HSC is a WCS event? That would be quite a bad call in my opinion (being able to buy a spot in a tournament should disqualify it from being WCS).
Well, you sir are a smart guy. I'll ask someone from Blizzard.
Its no WCS event
Thanks for the clarification! Good luck with the campaign! =)
On May 25 2015 01:10 digmouse wrote: The International was crowdfunded (to an extent but still), the Chinese iLeague is entirely crowdfunded. It happened to other esports before why it can't happen to Starcraft?
Because this is seemingly out of necessity.
Hopefully it shows people that this game is still alive and has passionate fans. My $50 hopefully helps towards that goal. Plus now I can guiltlessly buy that nice HSC seat without feeling that they have abandoned us for Hearthstone.
On May 25 2015 09:11 Canucklehead wrote: Damn. Pretty impressed this is going to be crowdfunded pretty easily. Almost there after only a day.
To be fair basetradeTV's event got funded way faster. Or am I wrong?
Of course its going to be harder to raise money weeks after the community funded a tournament for a significant amount, wallets are not endlessly deep for most fans.
On May 25 2015 09:11 Canucklehead wrote: Damn. Pretty impressed this is going to be crowdfunded pretty easily. Almost there after only a day.
To be fair basetradeTV's event got funded way faster. Or am I wrong?
Did basetrade tv also have such a big jump from $1 to $100? This is a big mistake imo. There will be lots of ppl who are not willing to pay $100 for such a tourney.
On May 25 2015 09:11 Canucklehead wrote: Damn. Pretty impressed this is going to be crowdfunded pretty easily. Almost there after only a day.
To be fair basetradeTV's event got funded way faster. Or am I wrong?
Did basetrade tv also have such a big jump from $1 to $100? This is a big mistake imo. There will be lots of ppl who are not willing to pay $100 for such a tourney.
You can fund any amount you want. Don't confuse funding with perks
Edit: I wonder whether it's a good or bad idea to make the hotel reservations now already, though i'm guessing when the target is met the tourney is on in any case.
On May 25 2015 09:11 Canucklehead wrote: Damn. Pretty impressed this is going to be crowdfunded pretty easily. Almost there after only a day.
To be fair basetradeTV's event got funded way faster. Or am I wrong?
Did basetrade tv also have such a big jump from $1 to $100? This is a big mistake imo. There will be lots of ppl who are not willing to pay $100 for such a tourney.
Yeah there should be some perk at like $20 and $50. Something small obviously but something. Like at $50 they have a big whiteboard behind the couch with the names of all the people who donated $50+.
On May 27 2015 01:16 GumBa wrote: If the lineup is anything like the last HSC I will srsly consider getting tickets and a cheap hostel or hotel for the weekend
You dont need tickets: You just go in the pub unter TaKes place and enjoy.
On May 27 2015 01:16 GumBa wrote: If the lineup is anything like the last HSC I will srsly consider getting tickets and a cheap hostel or hotel for the weekend
Tickets were there last time, because of the Königsburg, HSC XI should not have tickets afaik. Also I can recommend the good old Ibis Budget Hotel near Krefeld main station. It's part of the HSC feeling.
On May 27 2015 01:16 GumBa wrote: If the lineup is anything like the last HSC I will srsly consider getting tickets and a cheap hostel or hotel for the weekend
Tickets were there last time, because of the Königsburg, HSC XI should not have tickets afaik. Also I can recommend the good old Ibis Budget Hotel near Krefeld main station. It's part of the HSC feeling.
Or just rent a "Wohnmobil" and park directly infront of the church/pub like we did! (and keep (drunken) Sase from pissing between the mobilehome and the church wall ...)
On May 25 2015 09:11 Canucklehead wrote: Damn. Pretty impressed this is going to be crowdfunded pretty easily. Almost there after only a day.
To be fair basetradeTV's event got funded way faster. Or am I wrong?
Did basetrade tv also have such a big jump from $1 to $100? This is a big mistake imo. There will be lots of ppl who are not willing to pay $100 for such a tourney.
Yeah there should be some perk at like $20 and $50. Something small obviously but something. Like at $50 they have a big whiteboard behind the couch with the names of all the people who donated $50+.
Yes, maybe like this: $[5-40] - Voice impression: A caster will (try to)do a player intro using the voice of a person or character of your choosing
On May 27 2015 05:14 zehlulz_sc2 wrote: u know sc2 is dying when u need crowdfunding for events sad but true, wheres the sponsors now? gone to another fotm game i guess
Crowdfunding events is nothing new or unique to Starcraft.
If TakeTV adds sth in the 5-20 dollar range, I will buy it.
edit: Just in idea that crossed my mind: They should partner up with Liquid and add a donation goal for like 50 dollars that gives you a forum icon or sth. I bet that would work wonders. Probably totally unrealistic, since Liquid has no incentive to offer sth like that but hey, it was just an idea...
On May 27 2015 05:17 JazVM wrote: If TakeTV adds sth in the 5-20 dollar range, I will buy it.
You can support with any amount of $. TaKe said on stream today that they included less perks since there are extra work (they are still working on those for pimpthehouse^^).
On May 27 2015 05:14 zehlulz_sc2 wrote: u know sc2 is dying when u need crowdfunding for events sad but true, wheres the sponsors now? gone to another fotm game i guess
Crowdfunding events is nothing new or unique to Starcraft.
Not new or unique to Starcraft in general but quite new/unique for a tournament like the HSC.
On May 27 2015 05:14 zehlulz_sc2 wrote: u know sc2 is dying when u need crowdfunding for events sad but true, wheres the sponsors now? gone to another fotm game i guess
Crowdfunding events is nothing new or unique to Starcraft.
Indeed but in this case take is clearly explaining that they lack some sponsor money, which is not a great news. Well i guess its normal tho, HOTS is dying, if i was a sponsor company myself i would wait until LOTV to sponsor new things.
On May 27 2015 05:17 JazVM wrote: If TakeTV adds sth in the 5-20 dollar range, I will buy it.
edit: Just in idea that crossed my mind: They should partner up with Liquid and add a donation goal for like 50 dollars that gives you a forum icon or sth. I bet that would work wonders. Probably totally unrealistic, since Liquid has no incentive to offer sth like that but hey, it was just an idea...
Well, if the tournament happens, TaeJa will win it, so they would have at least that benefit :D
i guess Take misscalculated big... last year getting into an totally oversized new location, also expanding to stream and comment a whole lot of other games from cs:go and heroes, and now dont got money left over for hsc... well i try to get him some dollars but actually he should get a better accountancy...
Wtf is up with the rewards? I can either only pay $1 or $100? why not put stuff in between?!?!? Fix it PLEASE or i cant donate i dont want to donate $1 10 times thats stupid as f***
On May 27 2015 17:46 Kingsky wrote: Wtf is up with the rewards? I can either only pay $1 or $100? why not put stuff in between?!?!? Fix it PLEASE or i cant donate i dont want to donate $1 10 times thats stupid as f***
You can donate any amount you want, not just the ones at the side.
On May 27 2015 17:46 Kingsky wrote: Wtf is up with the rewards? I can either only pay $1 or $100? why not put stuff in between?!?!? Fix it PLEASE or i cant donate i dont want to donate $1 10 times thats stupid as f***
You can donate any amount you want, not just the ones at the side.
Problem is, some people really don´t know that and don´t try out. Can´t even blame them. Would have been way more awesome to do stuff like 20$ and 50$ and you get something small for 50$ idk.
I'm the only one who thinks that selling player spot is against the competitive nature of any form of competition? Well, I think the same can be said about invites.
So great they almost reached the goal already, it is a great tournament. I wish I had the money to donate, unfortunately I need every penny I have right now. I will spread the word however!!
On May 27 2015 22:25 Tiaraju9 wrote: I'm the only one who thinks that selling player spot is against the competitive nature of any form of competition? Well, I think the same can be said about invites.
A tournament without WCS points here, you can do whatever you want and HSC is rather a fun tournament than anything else.
I hate to say this, but this is a very bad sign about the state of SC2 right now.... Even if HSC gets twice the money it asked for, the fact that crowdfunding was necessary in the first place is worrisome
On May 28 2015 23:33 RenZ wrote: Get Apollo instead of basetradetv?
Get the WCS premier caster for the B stream, hue.
On May 28 2015 23:34 Shinespark wrote: I hate to say this, but this is a very bad sign about the state of SC2 right now.... Even if HSC gets twice the money it asked for, the fact that crowdfunding was necessary in the first place is worrisome
As some have pointed out previously, crowdfunding is not new or unique to SC2. It sucks they lost a sponsor, but the doom and gloom can be reduced a little.
On May 28 2015 23:34 Shinespark wrote: I hate to say this, but this is a very bad sign about the state of SC2 right now.... Even if HSC gets twice the money it asked for, the fact that crowdfunding was necessary in the first place is worrisome
As some have pointed out previously, crowdfunding is not new or unique to SC2. It sucks they lost a sponsor, but the doom and gloom can be reduced a little.
I dont think TakeTV lost XMG and Intel, rather that both dont want support this time (doesnt mean hsc or other tournament but this summer/year or whatever). So far I know Intel supports TakeTV in other esports games.
On May 28 2015 23:34 Shinespark wrote: I hate to say this, but this is a very bad sign about the state of SC2 right now.... Even if HSC gets twice the money it asked for, the fact that crowdfunding was necessary in the first place is worrisome
This is not exactly a breaking development in SC2. The scene is supported by the rich and generous.
On May 28 2015 23:34 Shinespark wrote: I hate to say this, but this is a very bad sign about the state of SC2 right now.... Even if HSC gets twice the money it asked for, the fact that crowdfunding was necessary in the first place is worrisome
This is not exactly a breaking development in SC2. The scene is supported by the rich and generous.
Could you please give me some other examples of this in SC2? I only follow the GSL and sometimes proleague, and as far as I know, they're funded entirely by sponsors and suscription sales and the like.
On May 28 2015 23:34 Shinespark wrote: I hate to say this, but this is a very bad sign about the state of SC2 right now.... Even if HSC gets twice the money it asked for, the fact that crowdfunding was necessary in the first place is worrisome
This is not exactly a breaking development in SC2. The scene is supported by the rich and generous.
Could you please give me some other examples of this in SC2? I only follow the GSL and sometimes proleague, and as far as I know, they're funded entirely by sponsors and suscription sales and the like.
Didn't Destiny have a tournament where people donated towards the prize pool? Also, general grassroots tournaments don't always need to have sponsors, or else no one would ever take initiative without a huge contributor. This isn't abnormal.
On May 28 2015 23:34 Shinespark wrote: I hate to say this, but this is a very bad sign about the state of SC2 right now.... Even if HSC gets twice the money it asked for, the fact that crowdfunding was necessary in the first place is worrisome
This is not exactly a breaking development in SC2. The scene is supported by the rich and generous.
Could you please give me some other examples of this in SC2? I only follow the GSL and sometimes proleague, and as far as I know, they're funded entirely by sponsors and suscription sales and the like.
Didn't Destiny have a tournament where people donated towards the prize pool? Also, general grassroots tournaments don't always need to have sponsors, or else no one would ever take initiative without a huge contributor. This isn't abnormal.
Now that I think about it, maybe Lone Star Clash was like this kind of thing. I'm not saying crowdfunding is bad, but I do worry that sponsors are leaving. Besides, living on crowdfunding may not be sustainable, I don't know. I do know sponsors are a tried and true business model.
On May 28 2015 23:34 Shinespark wrote: I hate to say this, but this is a very bad sign about the state of SC2 right now.... Even if HSC gets twice the money it asked for, the fact that crowdfunding was necessary in the first place is worrisome
This is not exactly a breaking development in SC2. The scene is supported by the rich and generous.
Could you please give me some other examples of this in SC2? I only follow the GSL and sometimes proleague, and as far as I know, they're funded entirely by sponsors and suscription sales and the like.
Didn't Destiny have a tournament where people donated towards the prize pool? Also, general grassroots tournaments don't always need to have sponsors, or else no one would ever take initiative without a huge contributor. This isn't abnormal.
Now that I think about it, maybe Lone Star Clash was like this kind of thing. I'm not saying crowdfunding is bad, but I do worry that sponsors are leaving. Besides, living on crowdfunding may not be sustainable, I don't know. I do know sponsors are a tried and true business model.
Sure, but it's not like there's a HSC every month Plus, I think that LotV's release will inject new enthusiasm from the community and sponsors. I wouldn't worry too much
On May 28 2015 23:34 Shinespark wrote: I hate to say this, but this is a very bad sign about the state of SC2 right now.... Even if HSC gets twice the money it asked for, the fact that crowdfunding was necessary in the first place is worrisome
This is not exactly a breaking development in SC2. The scene is supported by the rich and generous.
Could you please give me some other examples of this in SC2? I only follow the GSL and sometimes proleague, and as far as I know, they're funded entirely by sponsors and suscription sales and the like.
Didn't Destiny have a tournament where people donated towards the prize pool? Also, general grassroots tournaments don't always need to have sponsors, or else no one would ever take initiative without a huge contributor. This isn't abnormal.
Now that I think about it, maybe Lone Star Clash was like this kind of thing. I'm not saying crowdfunding is bad, but I do worry that sponsors are leaving. Besides, living on crowdfunding may not be sustainable, I don't know. I do know sponsors are a tried and true business model.
Sure, but it's not like there's a HSC every month Plus, I think that LotV's release will inject new enthusiasm from the community and sponsors. I wouldn't worry too much
We thought the same about HOTS and now look... sponsors leaving, people retiring left and right, teams disbanded, the GSL hasn't had a finals outside the studio in like 5 seasons now, smaller prizes, etc.
On May 28 2015 23:34 Shinespark wrote: I hate to say this, but this is a very bad sign about the state of SC2 right now.... Even if HSC gets twice the money it asked for, the fact that crowdfunding was necessary in the first place is worrisome
This is not exactly a breaking development in SC2. The scene is supported by the rich and generous.
Could you please give me some other examples of this in SC2? I only follow the GSL and sometimes proleague, and as far as I know, they're funded entirely by sponsors and suscription sales and the like.
Didn't Destiny have a tournament where people donated towards the prize pool? Also, general grassroots tournaments don't always need to have sponsors, or else no one would ever take initiative without a huge contributor. This isn't abnormal.
Now that I think about it, maybe Lone Star Clash was like this kind of thing. I'm not saying crowdfunding is bad, but I do worry that sponsors are leaving. Besides, living on crowdfunding may not be sustainable, I don't know. I do know sponsors are a tried and true business model.
Sure, but it's not like there's a HSC every month Plus, I think that LotV's release will inject new enthusiasm from the community and sponsors. I wouldn't worry too much
We thought the same about HOTS and now look... sponsors leaving, people retiring left and right, teams disbanded, the GSL hasn't had a finals outside the studio in like 5 seasons now, smaller prizes, etc.
I rather think WCS is the main reason for that, not HotS. Sponsors want their own thing but they cant since WCS points are more relevant than anything else( even weekend tournament itself!) . I also complained about this dependence few years ago. WCS points/tier relevance hurts weekend tournaments.
On May 28 2015 23:34 Shinespark wrote: I hate to say this, but this is a very bad sign about the state of SC2 right now.... Even if HSC gets twice the money it asked for, the fact that crowdfunding was necessary in the first place is worrisome
This is not exactly a breaking development in SC2. The scene is supported by the rich and generous.
Could you please give me some other examples of this in SC2? I only follow the GSL and sometimes proleague, and as far as I know, they're funded entirely by sponsors and suscription sales and the like.
Basically a lot of tournaments other than GSL and Proleague. Although, it's likely that Blizzard has been propping up GSL and contributing to its prizepool since the very beginning of SC2. Streamers also depend on subscribers now.
On May 28 2015 23:34 Shinespark wrote: I hate to say this, but this is a very bad sign about the state of SC2 right now.... Even if HSC gets twice the money it asked for, the fact that crowdfunding was necessary in the first place is worrisome
This is not exactly a breaking development in SC2. The scene is supported by the rich and generous.
Could you please give me some other examples of this in SC2? I only follow the GSL and sometimes proleague, and as far as I know, they're funded entirely by sponsors and suscription sales and the like.
Didn't Destiny have a tournament where people donated towards the prize pool? Also, general grassroots tournaments don't always need to have sponsors, or else no one would ever take initiative without a huge contributor. This isn't abnormal.
Now that I think about it, maybe Lone Star Clash was like this kind of thing. I'm not saying crowdfunding is bad, but I do worry that sponsors are leaving. Besides, living on crowdfunding may not be sustainable, I don't know. I do know sponsors are a tried and true business model.
Sure, but it's not like there's a HSC every month Plus, I think that LotV's release will inject new enthusiasm from the community and sponsors. I wouldn't worry too much
We thought the same about HOTS and now look... sponsors leaving, people retiring left and right, teams disbanded, the GSL hasn't had a finals outside the studio in like 5 seasons now, smaller prizes, etc.
Didn't they do a crowd funding to move into a massive studio like a year ago?
I mean, I am glad they are getting funding, as HSC is arguably the most entertaining SC tournament, but seems like they don't manage their assets correctly and the community is being punished for it and not the organization.
On May 29 2015 06:18 UberNuB wrote: Didn't they do a crowd funding to move into a massive studio like a year ago?
I mean, I am glad they are getting funding, as HSC is arguably the most entertaining SC tournament, but seems like they don't manage their assets correctly and the community is being punished for it and not the organization.
Why is the community getting punished? You can manage your assets as good as you want. If suddenly your main sponsor drops who is absolutely needed for your tournament you will have a problem.
I'm sorry if I misunderstood your sentence... my English isn't that good
I was wondering whether to donate or not, but when I read funding was for partying, drinks and what not, then I gave up. I rarely watch SC2 anyway. I'll be happy to donate a bit for a more honourable cause though.
On May 29 2015 06:18 UberNuB wrote: Didn't they do a crowd funding to move into a massive studio like a year ago?
I mean, I am glad they are getting funding, as HSC is arguably the most entertaining SC tournament, but seems like they don't manage their assets correctly and the community is being punished for it and not the organization.
I´m pretty they said that the crowdfunding for the studio was just for people willing to help them und to add bonus stuff. They would have moved anyway. For the HSC thing I doubt you can really blame them. I mean if they don´t get enough sponsors there is nothing you can do. And it´s not like they already spend money they don´t have.
On May 29 2015 06:18 UberNuB wrote: Didn't they do a crowd funding to move into a massive studio like a year ago?
I mean, I am glad they are getting funding, as HSC is arguably the most entertaining SC tournament, but seems like they don't manage their assets correctly and the community is being punished for it and not the organization.
Thats the beauty of crowdfunding - you don't actually have to pay if you don't want to.
On May 29 2015 09:31 Brutaxilos wrote: Is there an official roster yet? I'd be pretty willing to pay for Naniwa or Kespa players like herO or Bomber.
Confirmed players so far are Jaedong, Targa, Harstem, Huk, Showtime, and all of Team Liquid besides HerO with Taeja as a maybe, at least according to reddit
On May 29 2015 06:18 UberNuB wrote: Didn't they do a crowd funding to move into a massive studio like a year ago?
I mean, I am glad they are getting funding, as HSC is arguably the most entertaining SC tournament, but seems like they don't manage their assets correctly and the community is being punished for it and not the organization.
Thats the beauty of crowdfunding - you don't actually have to pay if you don't want to.
I didn't mean it in a sense that people shouldn't support HSC, more just in a sense that even at the smaller scale the tournament was one of the best in all of SC. It seemed unnecessary (and counter to the point) for HSC to become such a large scale event.
There's obviously a decent amount of costs just in flights/hotels/food for 32 players (even if most are already in EU), but it'd be nice to see HSC keep it's small feel and continue to have tournaments every couple of months instead of go the way of NASL/IPL, etc.
On May 29 2015 06:18 UberNuB wrote: Didn't they do a crowd funding to move into a massive studio like a year ago?
I mean, I am glad they are getting funding, as HSC is arguably the most entertaining SC tournament, but seems like they don't manage their assets correctly and the community is being punished for it and not the organization.
Thats the beauty of crowdfunding - you don't actually have to pay if you don't want to.
I didn't mean it in a sense that people shouldn't support HSC, more just in a sense that even at the smaller scale the tournament was one of the best in all of SC. It seemed unnecessary (and counter to the point) for HSC to become such a large scale event.
There's obviously a decent amount of costs just in flights/hotels/food for 32 players (even if most are already in EU), but it'd be nice to see HSC keep it's small feel and continue to have tournaments every couple of months instead of go the way of NASL/IPL, etc.
You also have to consider that TakeTV is a company with employees, and when you're not profitable anymore you can't just continue doing what you're doing. They cover CS:GO as well as DotA2, Hearthstone etc as well. What they are doing is not "just a HSC thing" but a lot more than that.
I know this sounds cynical but I'm willing to bet that without crowdfunding HSC wouldn't be that feasible for them.
On May 29 2015 06:18 UberNuB wrote: Didn't they do a crowd funding to move into a massive studio like a year ago?
I mean, I am glad they are getting funding, as HSC is arguably the most entertaining SC tournament, but seems like they don't manage their assets correctly and the community is being punished for it and not the organization.
Thats the beauty of crowdfunding - you don't actually have to pay if you don't want to.
I didn't mean it in a sense that people shouldn't support HSC, more just in a sense that even at the smaller scale the tournament was one of the best in all of SC. It seemed unnecessary (and counter to the point) for HSC to become such a large scale event.
There's obviously a decent amount of costs just in flights/hotels/food for 32 players (even if most are already in EU), but it'd be nice to see HSC keep it's small feel and continue to have tournaments every couple of months instead of go the way of NASL/IPL, etc.
I am not shure what you mean: HSC still will only be twice a year (or less if not enough money is there). usally in june and november, this year one month later due to the financing. The HSC will be in TaKes Flat (last tournament in TaKes flat!!) and the HSC X in the club was there to celebrate the 10th episode of it.
HSC XI has the same scale then VI or more, same price pool, same place, almost same people.
On May 29 2015 06:18 UberNuB wrote: Didn't they do a crowd funding to move into a massive studio like a year ago?
I mean, I am glad they are getting funding, as HSC is arguably the most entertaining SC tournament, but seems like they don't manage their assets correctly and the community is being punished for it and not the organization.
TakeTV didnt want another crowdfunding (for HSC XI) few months ago, reddit went "shitstorm" about it. You can find a few new videos about his new studio on his yt channel. It has absolutely nothing to do wit wrong financial management. The one was for the new studio, other one for HSC XI.
On May 29 2015 06:37 TheNewEra wrote: Take also said on Reddit that they will add further perks, but that they need to discuss what they want to do first
shouldnt they do that before launching a crowdfunding, not during ?
On May 29 2015 06:37 TheNewEra wrote: Take also said on Reddit that they will add further perks, but that they need to discuss what they want to do first
shouldnt they do that before launching a crowdfunding, not during ?
Take always said that he wouldn't feel good to organise another kickstarter because they did one not long ago and that there probably wouldn't be a HSC XI. But his fans said that no one cares about this and everybody wants another HSC so he eventually agreed (atleast that's what I got from the TakeTv stream, maybe I mixed something up) As a result, this crowdfunding was pretty spontaneous because the time ran out to organise the event. Well, that is my guess why they would do this during the crowdfunding and not before.
On May 30 2015 19:18 shin ken wrote: Congratulations for completing the funding :D
With that many days to go, I bet we'll see quite some completed stretchgoals as well!
I am not sure of that - now the minimum has been reached the donations seemed to have tailed off dramatically. I reckon the 15K goal is reachable. Besides, now we have to also donate to the starcrafts indiego campaign.
On May 29 2015 06:18 UberNuB wrote: Didn't they do a crowd funding to move into a massive studio like a year ago?
I mean, I am glad they are getting funding, as HSC is arguably the most entertaining SC tournament, but seems like they don't manage their assets correctly and the community is being punished for it and not the organization.
Thats the beauty of crowdfunding - you don't actually have to pay if you don't want to.
I didn't mean it in a sense that people shouldn't support HSC, more just in a sense that even at the smaller scale the tournament was one of the best in all of SC. It seemed unnecessary (and counter to the point) for HSC to become such a large scale event.
There's obviously a decent amount of costs just in flights/hotels/food for 32 players (even if most are already in EU), but it'd be nice to see HSC keep it's small feel and continue to have tournaments every couple of months instead of go the way of NASL/IPL, etc.
I am not shure what you mean: HSC still will only be twice a year (or less if not enough money is there). usally in june and november, this year one month later due to the financing. The HSC will be in TaKes Flat (last tournament in TaKes flat!!) and the HSC X in the club was there to celebrate the 10th episode of it.
HSC XI has the same scale then VI or more, same price pool, same place, almost same people.
I think he's referring to the earlier HSCs. I happen to agree that it's become too similar to other tournaments. I miss 8-16 players just having a crazy weekend and wondering how they were going to manage day 2 hungover. Even if your favorite players were eliminated day 1 there was still a good chance of seeing them cast a few series. You never knew what crazy pairings you'd get and how they'd go. It was that interaction on the couch that really made the event. Now the couch is there, but it's following the tournament - not driving the show.
On May 29 2015 06:18 UberNuB wrote: Didn't they do a crowd funding to move into a massive studio like a year ago?
I mean, I am glad they are getting funding, as HSC is arguably the most entertaining SC tournament, but seems like they don't manage their assets correctly and the community is being punished for it and not the organization.
Thats the beauty of crowdfunding - you don't actually have to pay if you don't want to.
I didn't mean it in a sense that people shouldn't support HSC, more just in a sense that even at the smaller scale the tournament was one of the best in all of SC. It seemed unnecessary (and counter to the point) for HSC to become such a large scale event.
There's obviously a decent amount of costs just in flights/hotels/food for 32 players (even if most are already in EU), but it'd be nice to see HSC keep it's small feel and continue to have tournaments every couple of months instead of go the way of NASL/IPL, etc.
I am not shure what you mean: HSC still will only be twice a year (or less if not enough money is there). usally in june and november, this year one month later due to the financing. The HSC will be in TaKes Flat (last tournament in TaKes flat!!) and the HSC X in the club was there to celebrate the 10th episode of it.
HSC XI has the same scale then VI or more, same price pool, same place, almost same people.
I think he's referring to the earlier HSCs. I happen to agree that it's become too similar to other tournaments. I miss 8-16 players just having a crazy weekend and wondering how they were going to manage day 2 hungover. Even if your favorite players were eliminated day 1 there was still a good chance of seeing them cast a few series. You never knew what crazy pairings you'd get and how they'd go. It was that interaction on the couch that really made the event. Now the couch is there, but it's following the tournament - not driving the show.
Without wcs points now, they can act like they did in HSC I - HSC IV (I think). The rules to be a WCS- tournament really killed HSC atmosphere.
Looking forward to this edition, and i'll be attending, but i'm somewhat worried that there's not been an official update yet even though the funding is secure.
This will be so sick, can't wait . I am very happy with the amount of money we raised. I rather have pros on the b-stream thatn BTTV honestly and while I'd like to see Scarlett, I don't think she is a great host . Of course there is still a lot of time left!
With under a week left: Take has reached 15 thousand dollars and change. So HomeStory Cup XI will be happening, and they will invite Scarlett to be a host. So far, no BaseTrade, no Poker, no behind-the-scenes, no BW/Legacy, and interestingly, no Archon donor showmatches - nobody ponied up $100 for a spot to play with Hasu or Socke.
On May 25 2015 01:10 digmouse wrote: The International was crowdfunded (to an extent but still), the Chinese iLeague is entirely crowdfunded. It happened to other esports before why it can't happen to Starcraft?
Here is the problem with Starcraft crowd funding... it is happening as a result of the decline of sponsorship for SC2 as a E-Sport, not because it is up and coming and no know about it.
It isn't like Starcraft is this great up and coming game that is a mod of another game, it has had big time sponsors and a professional leagues in Korea for over a decade.
And the HSC has been hosted many times without any crowd funding necessary. So crowdfunding in this case isn't a way to spread the game, in this case it means the game is on life support as a viable E-Sport.
I'm convinced that if Blizzard wasn't bank rolling the whole scene with WCS, we'd have no scene left.
And then we have all those people arguing how great Blizzard is doing with SC2 and LOTV, how Blizzard is making the game people want, and that those people just don't visit this forum.
On May 25 2015 01:10 digmouse wrote: The International was crowdfunded (to an extent but still), the Chinese iLeague is entirely crowdfunded. It happened to other esports before why it can't happen to Starcraft?
Here is the problem with Starcraft crowd funding... it is happening as a result of the decline of sponsorship for SC2 as a E-Sport, not because it is up and coming and no know about it.
It isn't like Starcraft is this great up and coming game that is a mod of another game, it has had big time sponsors and a professional leagues in Korea for over a decade.
And the HSC has been hosted many times without any crowd funding necessary. So crowdfunding in this case isn't a way to spread the game, in this case it means the game is on life support as a viable E-Sport.
I'm convinced that if Blizzard wasn't bank rolling the whole scene with WCS, we'd have no scene left.
And then we have all those people arguing how great Blizzard is doing with SC2 and LOTV, how Blizzard is making the game people want, and that those people just don't visit this forum.
How ignorant can we be.
You're saying SC2 is on life support because the HSC tournament costs are not completely covered by sponsors?
Sponsors are moving on to newer games, because they get a lot more bang for their invested buck in fast growing communities. They will always do that, because that's how the marketing business works: reach a growing crowd with as little investment as possible. We have enjoyed that luxury for years, and now it's starting to wane. This does not mean that SC2 is "on life support". It means that as a community, we have stabilized too much for investors to remain interested. It means that after years of free content, the viewers now need to pay a small amount to get their content. But that's not a bad deal: apparently there is a solid fanbase, otherwise the sponsor plug would have been pulled long ago. So it's an opportunity for SC2 tournaments to show whether they are a commercially viable product. It they are not, so be it.
What *would* put SC2 on life support is if people who enjoyed the content for years, refuse to pay now that it matters. You can't expect all that content to be funded out of thin air.
On June 17 2015 15:39 _fool wrote: What *would* put SC2 on life support is if people who enjoyed the content for years, refuse to pay now that it matters. You can't expect all that content to be funded out of thin air.
I have a one word response to the bolded content: Google. No one is refusing to pay, it is that advertisers know the scene isn't growing like it should be, so they don't want to advertise here. Anyway, life support was too harsh of a term to use, SC2 isn't on life support at the moment, the scene is still quite alive.
But, my point stands. Let's pretend this isn't an E-Sport, let's pretend it is a business that a friend started.
You might expect him to be asking family and friends for cash to borrow if he was just getting started and couldn't get a loan, but his business made sense and was showing real positive progress right? And you'd be willing let him borrow some cash, especially since you know it is very likely he will pay you back with interest.
Now let's think about another example...pretend your friend had a really successful business, then it started to fail due to some questionable design decisions and suddenly he needed cash and came to you because the banks wouldn't give him a loan... you'd probably be less willing to let him borrow cash, because clearly he went from being able to support himself to money problems, and you'd be far less confident than you'd get paid back with interest.
Starcraft in general fits the second example, and that is the problem. And even the stock market likes to fund and take chances on up and comers, not businesses about to fail. Starcraft shouldn't need crowd funding. It just needs better design.
Crowdfunding is step backwards from where we were.
If we manage to reach the milestone of 17,500$, we will invite the guys from BasetradeTV and they'll provide the English B-stream for HSC XI on location!
On June 23 2015 19:37 MChrome wrote: Official announcement coming in the next few days i guess? Funding ended yesterday...
Official announcement? It takes place July 2nd to 5th. HSC XI has already been confirmed to happen when the initial goal was reached. A few qualifiers were already played.
Roster confirmation should also be coming these days. They said yesterday that they still have 2 slots open (apart from the qualifier slots) and would like to fill it with Terrans. The problem is that all the good Terrans are either already coming or can't participate.
I am somewhat confused.... I'm trying to find out what the news channel is for HSC, but taketv.net has nothing except stream announcements and a link to the indiegogo campaign, homestorycup.net still has hsc x info on it.....
Am i missing something? Is there a forum or something for this?
Yeah that's what I was looking for, thanks. I couldn't find the link on liquipedia, looks like only now the page is updated with the global qualifiers.
On June 24 2015 22:40 KingAlphard wrote: Yeah that's what I was looking for, thanks. I couldn't find the link on liquipedia, looks like only now the page is updated with the global qualifiers.
Were the qualifiers announced just 20 hours before the first qualifier starts? On top of that, the main event is starting next week. I know they just got the funding in place, but I bet a lot of players from abroad will not even think about traveling in a weeks notice (if they qualify).
On June 24 2015 22:51 Azhrak wrote: Were the qualifiers announced just 20 hours before the first qualifier starts? On top of that, the main event is starting next week. I know they just got the funding in place, but I bet a lot of players from abroad will not even think about traveling in a weeks notice (if they qualify).
yeah you're right it's really on a short notice but I guess we will see who plays today and tomorrow... I think pros who have a realistic chance of winning the spot will only try to qualify if they actually can make it to the event. Atleast I hope so.
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