EPTGreatest Players of All Time: The Finale - Page 19
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ShambhalaWar
United States930 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On May 03 2015 09:46 ShambhalaWar wrote: No fruit dealer anywhere? Nope. Shouldn't even be in the top 30 tbh  Fruitdealer's best results after becoming a champ was a single ro8+ run in the gsl and 2nd at a very easy IEM NY. | ||
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checo
Mexico1364 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On May 03 2015 09:46 ShambhalaWar wrote: No fruit dealer anywhere? Fruit dealer did not have longevity or lasting innovation. | ||
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igay
Australia1178 Posts
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LimitSEA
Australia9580 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On May 04 2015 22:01 LimitSEA wrote: Life will overtake Mvp as best at some point. And its when I think of that that I most lament his injury. Just think of what he could have achieved with wrists that worked. An unbelievable talent and a genius. His GSL victory over Squirtle is still the greatest SC2 memory I have, watching it at a Barcraft in Sydney. Never been so hyped in my life. Its hard to ever outdo MVP not because of total achievements, but because of how he achieved them. When Flash was winning everything, or when Michael Jordan was redefining basketball, there was no doubt in anyone's minds who was on top of the heap. But with MVP, he was literally at the bottom of the heap, everytime. We always thought "now this is when MVP is out" and everytime we thought that, everytime we were sure that he has gotten too injured, too old, too slow, too inconsequential--he suddenly rattles off a series of wins in long BoX series to win the game. All of them? No. But when he absolutely had to? For glory? For honor? For family? MVP was dominating AFTER he stopped being relevant, after we were certain it was over. That's the legacy he left. Its not that he was above everyone else (although he was early in his career) but that he continued to be so after everyone, including himself, thought so too. Through sheer force of fucking-pitch a blue card-pay 1 life- will. | ||
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oufanforever
United States51 Posts
On May 05 2015 00:30 Thieving Magpie wrote: Its hard to ever outdo MVP not because of total achievements, but because of how he achieved them. When Flash was winning everything, or when Michael Jordan was redefining basketball, there was no doubt in anyone's minds who was on top of the heap. But with MVP, he was literally at the bottom of the heap, everytime. We always thought "now this is when MVP is out" and everytime we thought that, everytime we were sure that he has gotten too injured, too old, too slow, too inconsequential--he suddenly rattles off a series of wins in long BoX series to win the game. All of them? No. But when he absolutely had to? For glory? For honor? For family? MVP was dominating AFTER he stopped being relevant, after we were certain it was over. That's the legacy he left. Its not that he was above everyone else (although he was early in his career) but that he continued to be so after everyone, including himself, thought so too. Through sheer force of fucking-pitch a blue card-pay 1 life- will. I love the Magic the Gathering reference at the end there  | ||
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zenkicker
257 Posts
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Champi
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shizznit
23 Posts
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levelping
Singapore759 Posts
On May 05 2015 00:40 oufanforever wrote: I love the Magic the Gathering reference at the end there Haha not very surprising from a person called Theiving Magpie =). | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7798 Posts
On May 03 2015 14:43 Thieving Magpie wrote: Fruit dealer did not have longevity or lasting innovation. True. I feel like FruitDealer no matter what will have a place in Top 25 or so, though. He was the very first GSL Champion, a feat that can never be done again. He will never, ever be forgotten and he will live on for years to come. As far as legacy goes he's a decently high player on the list for sure. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On May 07 2015 00:03 RPR_Tempest wrote: True. I feel like FruitDealer no matter what will have a place in Top 25 or so, though. He was the very first GSL Champion, a feat that can never be done again. He will never, ever be forgotten and he will live on for years to come. As far as legacy goes he's a decently high player on the list for sure. What I mostly feel about legacy is not as much about people remembering your name, but defining something core in how we play the game. MKP, for example, though not the first to split, definitely solidified the nature of marine splits as core to terran. Kyrix (doesn't get enough love) was the same in his initial use of both gasless expands (spanishiwa eventually solidified this) and heavy use of banelings for midgame combat in ZvT (DRG eventually solidified this as well). | ||
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NasusAndDraven
359 Posts
On May 07 2015 00:03 RPR_Tempest wrote: True. I feel like FruitDealer no matter what will have a place in Top 25 or so, though. He was the very first GSL Champion, a feat that can never be done again. He will never, ever be forgotten and he will live on for years to come. As far as legacy goes he's a decently high player on the list for sure. FruitDealer was also most likely the best player for at least the last 2 months of WoL beta, no matter what idra says. Also he won the GSL when zerg was widely considered to be extreamly underpowered. Even thou many considered him to be the best player of the tournament since the start, most did not believe a zerg could do good because unbalance. How often do you see blizzard give huge buffs to a race right after it won a GSL? But anyway I dont know would he be placed even on top 40 because i remember stuchiu saying something like "early tournaments dont matter because everyone played bad lol". | ||
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Sprouter
United States1724 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On May 07 2015 09:22 Sprouter wrote: LOTV is still in beta. Did MVP even play at all during HOTS? I agree that MVP is one of the GOAT but making him #1 when he was unstoppable for just 1/3 of SC2's competitive lifespan is really strange to me. Mvp won his WCS EU season during HotS, and being unstoppable for 1/3 of all of SC2's lifespan is a lot. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On May 07 2015 09:36 Cele wrote: I think MVP's highest accomplishment is taking a map of Flash in 2010 Hana Daetoo MSL. Looks like Mvp beat Flash 1-0, then Flash wouldn't take any of that and went undefeated for the rest of the tournament. Basically, Flash only won because of Mvp. | ||
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