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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On May 07 2015 09:37 The_Templar wrote: Looks like Mvp beat Flash 1-0, then Flash wouldn't take any of that and went undefeated for the rest of the tournament. Basically, Flash only won because of Mvp. for the curious: this was MVP's best phase in Broodwar, he retired not so long afterwards and then came back for Wol. | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
On May 07 2015 09:43 Cele wrote: for the curious: this was MVP's best phase in Broodwar, he retired not so long afterwards and then came back for Wol. yeah looking at it, seems that he beat Stork, Best, and TY to reach Flash. Not bad. | ||
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ClaudeSc2
United States73 Posts
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ClaudeSc2
United States73 Posts
On May 02 2015 20:26 lichter wrote: More tournaments also means more chances to break your streak of dominance. There are pros and cons to both. What ifs are bad arguments. I could similarly say that Life's on and off form through his career suggests he would not have won more titles in a more frequent tournament circuit. Or he could have in equal measur. Again, a bad argument to make. If you are the BEST player in the world for 3 months, and unbeatable during them, in toll you win 3 GSL's, in 2014-2015 you win 1. That's why more GSL's benefit you bud, not a bad argument. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On May 07 2015 11:12 ClaudeSc2 wrote: If you are the BEST player in the world for 3 months, and unbeatable during them, in toll you win 3 GSL's, in 2014-2015 you win 1. That's why more GSL's benefit you bud, not a bad argument. And you play 3x as many tournaments and opponents, giving people more opportunity to knock you down. Winning one tournament has a higher probability than winning three. Lose one tournament and your time at the top gets cut short. With fewer tournaments, the length of time at the top stretches longer between seasons. With more tournaments, your number of potential wins increases. Like I said, pros and cons. | ||
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Highcounsel
United States132 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10700 Posts
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NasusAndDraven
359 Posts
On May 07 2015 09:36 Cele wrote: I think MVP's highest accomplishment is taking a map of Flash in 2010 Hana Daetoo MSL. Yeah I think its safe to say that MVP was easily the best BW player in the SC2 scene for almost 2years (before kespa switched to SC2). Sure there were players who were much more successful in their time that already switched (nada, boxer, july) but they played when BW was not as developed so if MVP had a time machine he would have rekt all of them in their prime. | ||
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Eliezar
United States481 Posts
On May 07 2015 23:40 NasusAndDraven wrote: Yeah I think its safe to say that MVP was easily the best BW player in the SC2 scene for almost 2years (before kespa switched to SC2). Sure there were players who were much more successful in their time that already switched (nada, boxer, july) but they played when BW was not as developed so if MVP had a time machine he would have rekt all of them in their prime. Boxer in his prime would have beaten MVP 99-0 in a best of 7 in Broodwar. Boxer took the current Broodwar meta and innovated with amazing control and harass that was unbelievable. Of course Boxer in his prime vs Boxer that played SC2 would have beaten the SC2 version just as bad at BW. Boxer still had some of the game sense, but wasn't near the player that he was in BW much like Nada...neither had near the ability left at their age once SC2 came around and neither focused like they did during BW. | ||
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JulDraGoN
Sweden370 Posts
On May 07 2015 11:12 ClaudeSc2 wrote: If you are the BEST player in the world for 3 months, and unbeatable during them, in toll you win 3 GSL's, in 2014-2015 you win 1. That's why more GSL's benefit you bud, not a bad argument. To be fair, this isn't about the best player of all time. It is about the greatest player of all time which has to do with more than just results. So regardless if they played 9 GSLs back then and 3 now, the criteria is based on a lot more than just wins. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16057 Posts
Also the major thing I disagree with in the criteria is that it only considers the opponents the player has beaten during their runs and not the overall difficulty of the tournament. For example in the WCS 2012 world finals there played many strong players like herO, HerO, Rain, Curious, Roro, stephano but they all got eliminated before they could face parting. Is it partings fault that the "good" players got eliminated by other players? It's like saying germany can't be considered to be the best football team in the world because they didn't face spain at the world cup and so they had an easy path. | ||
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Adastrom
Canada219 Posts
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MCMarine
Hungary11 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/akHMLBp.jpg) I made this I hope it's not that bad. All hail the king! | ||
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tokinho
United States792 Posts
On May 21 2015 02:40 MCMarine wrote: I made this I hope it's not that bad. All hail the king! Wow that marineKing flipping off MVP not cool | ||
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GL999et1000
France229 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
Mvp forgives his insolence ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/MGJHF.jpg) | ||
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Deathstar
9150 Posts
M-M-Mvp senpai~... | ||
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tyrless
United States485 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
With Life losing early this season I guess Mvp holds for now | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On May 08 2015 06:01 Eliezar wrote: Boxer in his prime would have beaten MVP 99-0 in a best of 7 in Broodwar. Boxer took the current Broodwar meta and innovated with amazing control and harass that was unbelievable. Of course Boxer in his prime vs Boxer that played SC2 would have beaten the SC2 version just as bad at BW. Boxer still had some of the game sense, but wasn't near the player that he was in BW much like Nada...neither had near the ability left at their age once SC2 came around and neither focused like they did during BW. Without the power of replays perhaps those innovative players would have lasted a little bit longer. | ||
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