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Greatest Players of All Time: The Finale - Page 21

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Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
June 07 2015 16:06 GMT
#401
The whole list was a great read. Really loved the section on MVP. Thanks for the writeup and contribution. Really brough back some great nostalgia even though I don't follow the scene much today.
radscorpion9
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada2252 Posts
June 07 2015 17:54 GMT
#402
I feel the same way. I don't follow the scene at all lately, but its great to remember the good old days with nestea and MVP, and also the loveable MKP. Nice memories
SohcranA
Profile Joined November 2010
United States36 Posts
June 07 2015 18:27 GMT
#403
Fun series. No Stephano on the list kind of hurts though. When he hit the scene, no one could touch him, including the Koreans! Except maybe MVP. Maybe...
Rain.100
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany946 Posts
June 07 2015 20:52 GMT
#404
On June 08 2015 03:27 SohcranA wrote:
Fun series. No Stephano on the list kind of hurts though. When he hit the scene, no one could touch him, including the Koreans! Except maybe MVP. Maybe...

lol calm down there
I have to return some videotapes. Maru and MarineLorD <3
decaf
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria1797 Posts
July 13 2015 12:19 GMT
#405
On June 08 2015 02:54 radscorpion9 wrote:
I feel the same way. I don't follow the scene at all lately, but its great to remember the good old days with nestea and MVP, and also the loveable MKP. Nice memories

This. I stopped playing because all my favorite players quit and the games the play these days seem boring as hell. Gotta love IMMvp.
xxx30
Profile Joined June 2015
Hong Kong2 Posts
July 15 2015 06:51 GMT
#406
I think non-Korean players like TLO, Jinro, Huk, Sen, Jim, Macsed and Idra should be remembered, coz they made us watch the Korean tournaments with some different expectations...

Hope is good shit, isn't it?

Naniwa, maybe too.
All in the game.
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
October 08 2015 07:24 GMT
#407
Any oldschool true fan willing to make BW version of this?
sunbeams are never made like me...
Cam Connor
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada786 Posts
October 08 2015 08:57 GMT
#408
that would be a good read
#memories
post to be
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Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
October 08 2015 09:23 GMT
#409
On June 08 2015 05:52 Rain.100 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 03:27 SohcranA wrote:
Fun series. No Stephano on the list kind of hurts though. When he hit the scene, no one could touch him, including the Koreans! Except maybe MVP. Maybe...

lol calm down there

first year is true, only mvp and nestea was on his level or better. Sadly they didnt meet often. Stephano's 2nd year was a joke (still good enough to be (one of the) best foreigner).
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
Naikonz
Profile Joined October 2014
Romania65 Posts
October 08 2015 11:08 GMT
#410
sOs not on this list is really bullshit. One of the greatest innovators of the protoss race not included among the all-time greats? Pathetic.
WaylanderSC2_
Profile Joined September 2015
24 Posts
October 08 2015 13:12 GMT
#411
Saying MVP is the best player of all time is like saying Johnny Unitas is the best QB of all time..

Johnny played in an exclusively White league that is now almost entirely black.

MVP played in an exclusively eSF league that is now almost entirely KeSPA.

In terms of skill, Innovation is the best player of all time. In terms of accomplishments, I'd still say players like Innovation and Life are ahead of MVP-- most of the players MVP played against in those early GSL days are retired now..
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3548 Posts
October 08 2015 13:21 GMT
#412
In LotV we need showmatches to settle this.
2 Players will play:
Bo3 in WoL
Bo3 in HotS
and then if it's tied, a Bo3 in LotV to decide.
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
Magnifico
Profile Joined March 2013
1958 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-08 13:53:24
October 08 2015 13:51 GMT
#413
On October 08 2015 22:12 WaylanderSC2_ wrote:
Saying MVP is the best player of all time is like saying Johnny Unitas is the best QB of all time..

Johnny played in an exclusively White league that is now almost entirely black.

MVP played in an exclusively eSF league that is now almost entirely KeSPA.

In terms of skill, Innovation is the best player of all time. In terms of accomplishments, I'd still say players like Innovation and Life are ahead of MVP-- most of the players MVP played against in those early GSL days are retired now..


That's tricky. Do you know Pele? When he played there were not goalkeeper trainers. How can we judge him the best football/soccer player of all times if he played against shitty goalkeepers?

WaylanderSC2_
Profile Joined September 2015
24 Posts
October 08 2015 14:14 GMT
#414
On October 08 2015 22:51 Tiaraju9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2015 22:12 WaylanderSC2_ wrote:
Saying MVP is the best player of all time is like saying Johnny Unitas is the best QB of all time..

Johnny played in an exclusively White league that is now almost entirely black.

MVP played in an exclusively eSF league that is now almost entirely KeSPA.

In terms of skill, Innovation is the best player of all time. In terms of accomplishments, I'd still say players like Innovation and Life are ahead of MVP-- most of the players MVP played against in those early GSL days are retired now..


That's tricky. Do you know Pele? When he played there were not goalkeeper trainers. How can we judge him the best football/soccer player of all times if he played against shitty goalkeepers?



I think it's stupid to compare different eras together.

Babe Ruth played when there were hardly any trainers, no black or Latino players in the league, and weight training was almost non existent.


Saying he is the best player of all time, compared to players like Barry Bonds or Albert Puljos is just stupid. If Babe played in the league now he'd get his ass whooped, same as if MVP in his prime played at the moment.

Imagine if NFL switched to a different league, and then the good NFL players stayed in the NFL and the bad ones joined "GFL." A player pretty good in the NFL(MVP) decided to switch to the GFL, in which he dominates. Eventually, the rest of the NFL players join the GFL, almost immediately replacing all GFL players and forcing MVP to retire.

MVPs results realistically don't mean much when he was playing against such weak competition.
chiasmus
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States134 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-08 15:01:56
October 08 2015 14:57 GMT
#415
I agree that Mvp falls into this "Babe Ruth vs. Barry Bonds" problem, and it's kind of an impossible issue to resolve.

It comes down to what you think it means to be the greatest of all time. Greatest relative to the people you played against, or greatest relative to everyone who ever played the game?

Neither one feels quite right. It's almost certainly true that Ruth would get destroyed in modern-day baseball, and that Mvp could never have competed with today's elite players. But their accomplishments in their own era are what we can actually observe, whereas the grand tournament of every player in history is just an impossible counterfactual.

I guess the point is, all-time rankings are inherently really subjective and kind of silly.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
October 08 2015 15:28 GMT
#416
I seem to remember a bruised Mvp taking INnoVation to game 5 in WCS season 1 finals. Of course Mvp is probably not as mechanically gifted as INno. But I strongly disagree he was an obviously weaker player... even though INnoVation is a beast.
shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
October 08 2015 15:31 GMT
#417
Imo you always have to look at it through the eyes of history. Half-life was great, Nokia 3210 was great and MVP was great, even though none of them holds up today. I even doubt that Elvis or The Beatles would ever get a contract today. But in their time, they made an impact, and that impact can kinda be rated, although subjectively. If this were more quantifiable sports, you could statistically see how much better one person was than the rest of the field, but not sure if thats possible in SC2.
Jaedong, Gumibear, Leenock, Byun
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
October 08 2015 15:32 GMT
#418
Maru should be higher. T_T
maru lover forever
Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
October 08 2015 15:44 GMT
#419
It's also worth noting that players like Inno had all the work Mvp had already done to build on. If Mvp was starting out in his prime with all the same stuff that they had, he'd likely still have been dominant for as long; they had a massive handicap by the fact that he'd already done so much of the work for them.
LRSL 2014 Finalist! PartinG | Mvp | Bomber | Creator | NaNiwa | herO
Sakat
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
Croatia1599 Posts
January 06 2016 09:58 GMT
#420
Does Lifes Blizzcon (2015) run count as a miracle run too?
My boy Ptak defeated two GSL champions!
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