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Tauscond
Profile Joined December 2011
United States181 Posts
May 02 2015 06:19 GMT
#341
The question everyone wanna ask is where is Mvp now. He will have to join the army soon so I guess he's not coming back, at least in the next few years. But we need an official statement!!!
Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, MMA, MKP
Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-02 06:45:55
May 02 2015 06:39 GMT
#342
I personally like that Mvp is #1, no doubt about that, but no matter where he wouldve ended up in the top3 (not lower! XD) it was the only article i read paying full attention and it was excellent, huge respect to Stuchiu and helpers for creating this series!

edit: seeing the salt about life not #1... well if life is your 1# isnt that the most important part? at least your favorite player still plays QQ
sibs
Profile Joined July 2012
635 Posts
May 02 2015 09:04 GMT
#343
These comparisons between basketball players, newton & einstein, are utterly ridiculous, the game is 5 years old, not 50.

Pre-kespa switch it was much easier to dominate, easier yet if you played Terran during the gomTvT era.
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
May 02 2015 09:50 GMT
#344
On May 02 2015 18:04 sibs wrote:
These comparisons between basketball players, newton & einstein, are utterly ridiculous, the game is 5 years old, not 50.

Pre-kespa switch it was much easier to dominate, easier yet if you played Terran during the gomTvT era.


The greatness from Mvp doesn't just come from his dominance during the early era, but from his perseverance during the following. The guy couldn't feel his wrists and still could have (and should have) beaten life using the same strat seven times. Came back against Innovation and made life generally very difficult against anyone. Life is amazing, which is why he is second in all time greatness, but you couldn't write 8900 words on him.
Rocket-Bear
Profile Joined July 2014
3070 Posts
May 02 2015 10:06 GMT
#345
If the competition wasn't as strong back then is irrelevant.

The only kind of unfairness is that there was 9 GSL seasons in 2011. NINE. Now there are 3. If you had a dominanting period you had way more chances of getting some valueable championships.

But nothing we can do about it so it's whatever. Life will surpass Mvp in like a few months anyway
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rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5601 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-02 11:04:00
May 02 2015 11:03 GMT
#346
Was there a list of Star1 goats in 2003?
don't wall off against random
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
May 02 2015 11:26 GMT
#347
On May 02 2015 19:06 Rocket-Bear wrote:
If the competition wasn't as strong back then is irrelevant.

The only kind of unfairness is that there was 9 GSL seasons in 2011. NINE. Now there are 3. If you had a dominanting period you had way more chances of getting some valueable championships.

But nothing we can do about it so it's whatever. Life will surpass Mvp in like a few months anyway


More tournaments also means more chances to break your streak of dominance. There are pros and cons to both. What ifs are bad arguments. I could similarly say that Life's on and off form through his career suggests he would not have won more titles in a more frequent tournament circuit. Or he could have in equal measur. Again, a bad argument to make.
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sibs
Profile Joined July 2012
635 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-02 12:24:50
May 02 2015 12:23 GMT
#348
On May 02 2015 20:26 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2015 19:06 Rocket-Bear wrote:
If the competition wasn't as strong back then is irrelevant.

The only kind of unfairness is that there was 9 GSL seasons in 2011. NINE. Now there are 3. If you had a dominanting period you had way more chances of getting some valueable championships.

But nothing we can do about it so it's whatever. Life will surpass Mvp in like a few months anyway


More tournaments also means more chances to break your streak of dominance. There are pros and cons to both. What ifs are bad arguments. I could similarly say that Life's on and off form through his career suggests he would not have won more titles in a more frequent tournament circuit. Or he could have in equal measur. Again, a bad argument to make.


It'd be a bad argument if bad performances counted against you, Stuchiu is mostly just listing achivements, so its fine.

Right now in korea we have a lot of tournaments so we'll get to see what happens with Life's consistency, he's also a bit older right, he was in middle school when he won GSL(LOL), again the field is much denser than when Mvp won anything.
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3753 Posts
May 02 2015 15:02 GMT
#349
On May 02 2015 19:06 Rocket-Bear wrote:
If the competition wasn't as strong back then is irrelevant.

The only kind of unfairness is that there was 9 GSL seasons in 2011. NINE. Now there are 3. If you had a dominanting period you had way more chances of getting some valueable championships.

But nothing we can do about it so it's whatever. Life will surpass Mvp in like a few months anyway

There are now also 3 SSLs which are more or less equally relevant.
DomeGetta
Profile Joined February 2012
480 Posts
May 02 2015 17:16 GMT
#350
I'm so confused at how Maru didn't make the top 10?
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5601 Posts
May 02 2015 17:25 GMT
#351
On May 03 2015 02:16 DomeGetta wrote:
I'm so confused at how Maru didn't make the top 10?

He hasn't won any DH/HSC/IEM/MLG?
don't wall off against random
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
May 02 2015 17:27 GMT
#352
On May 03 2015 02:16 DomeGetta wrote:
I'm so confused at how Maru didn't make the top 10?


All talent, no results.

Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-02 17:30:05
May 02 2015 17:29 GMT
#353
On May 03 2015 02:16 DomeGetta wrote:
I'm so confused at how Maru didn't make the top 10?

He has won a grand total of 2 Premier Tournaments in a nearly 5 year long career. He has not significantly defined the Terran meta (since his style is his own). He can still become the greatest, being the youngest player on this list, but putting him ahead of any of the top 10 wouldn't be adequate.
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Giding_man
Profile Joined February 2013
10 Posts
May 02 2015 17:30 GMT
#354
Well written all in all and I'm glad they didn't put Nestea at #2. Still doesn't save it from being the nostalgic circlejerk scam article that it is. Such a waste of time.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
May 02 2015 17:38 GMT
#355
On May 03 2015 02:30 Giding_man wrote:
Well written all in all and I'm glad they didn't put Nestea at #2. Still doesn't save it from being the nostalgic circlejerk scam article that it is. Such a waste of time.


You're more than welcome to offer detailed criticism instead of unspecific bashing
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Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3813 Posts
May 02 2015 18:38 GMT
#356
Mvp number one, all is well.
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DSK
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
England1110 Posts
May 02 2015 19:23 GMT
#357
On May 01 2015 15:49 lichter wrote:
we're considering releasing mini-write ups for the players who are close to breaking into the top 15 (and maybe what they have to do to get in and where they'd land) if there is enough interest for it


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Wampa_181st
Profile Joined April 2015
2 Posts
May 02 2015 21:13 GMT
#358
2011 blizzcon 1st place is listed twice under mvp teir 1 accomplishments. anyway nice job on the list i enjoyed reading them
shizznit
Profile Joined May 2015
23 Posts
May 02 2015 23:56 GMT
#359
only mvp could mvp
thirtyapm
Profile Joined January 2012
521 Posts
May 03 2015 00:21 GMT
#360
fantastic write up on mvp
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