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On May 01 2015 07:34 Skynx wrote: Just for reference, Mvp v Inno comeback < Mvp v Tefel comeback innovation is a robot that wins GSLs, tefel is a robot that uses a random number generator to create either roaches or hydralisks at any given moment and amove them into the opponent's main
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On April 30 2015 05:54 stuchiu wrote: I know most of you just read the order but #1 is 8900 words long, that is 1/4th the entire article for all 15 players combined. I read all 8900 word.
MVP deserves to have an article about his career be that long or longer. Well done!
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I haven't been moved this much reading about a pro-gamer since the Maestro piece....
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On May 01 2015 02:12 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 09:40 forsooth wrote: Glad to see the King getting his due, there's never been another like him and there probably never will be again. SC2 just isn't nearly as interesting without him around. It's hard for me to put it into words, honestly the new players should just go back and watch the god damn games, I'm sure they are enough testimony to Mvp's greatness. He showed time and time again sheer brilliance(intelligence?) in his game and sometimes it wentbeyond that, some of his games were inexplicable, it sounds silly but I feel like he sometimes transcended the game when it seemed as if every single move that happened were fitting their part in his grand plan.I've played DotA for almost 10 years, sc2 for at least 3, watched countless games and yet I can safely say that Mvp was the only player/team of any game to provide so much excitement through his play. It's what you get when you have a player who is at the same time intelligent, tenacious, and incredibly adaptive. Watching Mvp stomp everyone with pure knowledge and mechanics in 2011 was amazing, but even more amazing was watching him hang on to his status as a top player for almost another year when his body failed him and forced him to rely entirely on preparation and creativity. Life is a great player and it's likely he'll pass Mvp in time, but over the course of his career Mvp demonstrated a unique brilliance that nobody can match. Nothing would be better than to see him return from obscurity with his health restored and go back to making everyone else look dumb again.
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LOVED THE ENTIRE SERIES
2 complaints one of which i already voiced and the second relates to the first.
1st It felt as you went closer and closer to number 1 the prestige of tournament became more weighed by the run of the champion (NOT THE PLAYERS INVOLVED) and while it has been argued that "bracket luck" has been a factor for players to winning tournaments, BUT they A) still had to win the games to get the finals and then win said finals and B) Someone has to win.
2nd which i already voiced is that to be top 3 or better than mc (take your pick) you should have needed to have won at least 1 preparation style tournament and at least one weekend style tournament i dont care if mc (i'll look it up later and edit this is just an hypothetical metaphor) but 3 prep tournaments and 4-5 weekend tournaments vs teagas like 11-13 weekend tournaments and 0 prep tournaments top 3 of the greatest of the greats and you cant win the type of tournament that started many peoples love for starcraft around the world simply feels wrong i dont care if teaga goes on to win another 10 weekend tournaments and mc 0 for as long as teaga lacks a perp tournament win hes locked into 4th place of the greatest of all time until then.
Also sorry for elaborate complaints and criticism vs the praise. It needs to be said that making this list regardless of the rubric and how much you do or don't stick to it, regardless of the order for most part, some people are going to be happy and some aren't and throughout the list there are a lot close calls that im sure given how you line up certain details of run against run etc etc there might be a switch in player ranking or there might not. BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT YOU TOOK THE BALLS TO MAKE A LIST THAT TRIES ITS GOD DAM HARDEST TO BE MORE ABOUT THE FACTS THEN ABOUT FAN FAVOURITES OR PERSONAL PREFERENCE AND THAT IS A TASK THAT BASICALLY STARTS OFF ASKING FOR FAILURE AND WHEN YOU START A TASK THAT IS ALMOST A GUARANTEED F AND TO SCORE AROUND A B+ I GOTTA SAY WELL DONE AND CONGRATULATIONS.
ps i do think you even though they included several koreans, koreans that also regularly attended them i do feel you weighed foreign tournaments to high. while you went into detail as to why you did it still felt in some small cases a little high.
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There's too many if's, and's, or but's involved to truly classify who is #1 and so on. This was stuchiu's personal opinion, research, and view on the history of SC2. Of course it's going to be subjective, prone to bias, and have flaws. But, stuchiu wrote an incredibly well thought out and argumentative novel.
People have their arguments, own bias, and thoughts of who should be on the list, who shouldn't be, and why they should or shouldn't be. Mvp's place as the "greatest of all time" at #1 is deserving. There's no doubt that Life is very close to the title of "greatest of all time."
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Great write-up and it really captured the moments of MVP's greatness for the people who weren't lucky enough to have experienced and followed it. Life is AMAZING, but what MVP has accomplished and his story from the SC2 scene, when it was more competitive; is what I remember most about the game. He is definitely the best player to have ever graced it. MVP, the one true king!
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we're considering releasing mini-write ups for the players who are close to breaking into the top 15 (and maybe what they have to do to get in and where they'd land) if there is enough interest for it
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there is a lot of interest
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I am also of the inclination that Life should have been #1. But MVP was at very least a close second, and arguably #1. But really, it's not that black and white IMO. The sodium content of this thread is quite unbelievable and I am quite enjoying poking back in here and reading it!
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On May 01 2015 15:49 lichter wrote: we're considering releasing mini-write ups for the players who are close to breaking into the top 15 (and maybe what they have to do to get in and where they'd land) if there is enough interest for it
Someway include idra, naniwa, stephano, thorzain, jinro, tester, rainbow, fruit dealer and losira. But i doupt that anyone exept stephano comes close T_T
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This was the best SC2-related article I've ever read. Truly captures the magnificence that was Mvp in his prime - but also when he wasn't in his prime, but managed to win anyway. Almost brought me to tears.
It was a glorious time, watching Mvp beat the very best players against all the odds stacked against him and against everyone's expectations. To me, Mvp is the greatest player of all time. Almost without a doubt Life will win more championships than Mvp (maybe even more GSLs) and reach a higher level of skill. But I don't think we will ever see a player perform so well considering the circumstances, with physical pain and difficult metas. Mvp is nothing but unique. Such a player!
It's such a terrible shame he suffered so much physically. One can only imagine what he could've achieved if he had stayed healthy. While he has surprised us so many times before, I don't think Mvp will come back to his same level. I miss his play. Watching Mvp play was the best time for me as SC2 fan. Thank you Stuchiu for this article, and so many thanks to Mvp for putting on this fantastic show.
Long live the one and only King.
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On May 01 2015 15:49 lichter wrote: we're considering releasing mini-write ups for the players who are close to breaking into the top 15 (and maybe what they have to do to get in and where they'd land) if there is enough interest for it yes please!
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The greatest nonKorean's of all time would be nice too.
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On May 01 2015 14:20 bulletbill wrote: LOVED THE ENTIRE SERIES
2 complaints one of which i already voiced and the second relates to the first.
1st It felt as you went closer and closer to number 1 the prestige of tournament became more weighed by the run of the champion (NOT THE PLAYERS INVOLVED) and while it has been argued that "bracket luck" has been a factor for players to winning tournaments, BUT they A) still had to win the games to get the finals and then win said finals and B) Someone has to win.
2nd which i already voiced is that to be top 3 or better than mc (take your pick) you should have needed to have won at least 1 preparation style tournament and at least one weekend style tournament i dont care if mc (i'll look it up later and edit this is just an hypothetical metaphor) but 3 prep tournaments and 4-5 weekend tournaments vs teagas like 11-13 weekend tournaments and 0 prep tournaments top 3 of the greatest of the greats and you cant win the type of tournament that started many peoples love for starcraft around the world simply feels wrong i dont care if teaga goes on to win another 10 weekend tournaments and mc 0 for as long as teaga lacks a perp tournament win hes locked into 4th place of the greatest of all time until then.
Also sorry for elaborate complaints and criticism vs the praise. It needs to be said that making this list regardless of the rubric and how much you do or don't stick to it, regardless of the order for most part, some people are going to be happy and some aren't and throughout the list there are a lot close calls that im sure given how you line up certain details of run against run etc etc there might be a switch in player ranking or there might not. BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT YOU TOOK THE BALLS TO MAKE A LIST THAT TRIES ITS GOD DAM HARDEST TO BE MORE ABOUT THE FACTS THEN ABOUT FAN FAVOURITES OR PERSONAL PREFERENCE AND THAT IS A TASK THAT BASICALLY STARTS OFF ASKING FOR FAILURE AND WHEN YOU START A TASK THAT IS ALMOST A GUARANTEED F AND TO SCORE AROUND A B+ I GOTTA SAY WELL DONE AND CONGRATULATIONS.
ps i do think you even though they included several koreans, koreans that also regularly attended them i do feel you weighed foreign tournaments to high. while you went into detail as to why you did it still felt in some small cases a little high.
I don't remember which run but Mvp had the hardest GSL run ever. He literally had to beat every GSL champion on the way to the finals (with the exception of Fruitdealer).
But I do agree with you about MC, althought Taeja and MC is debatable because of that streak Taeja had where he was literally unstoppable. MC has always been really good and a top and consistent player but he's never really had a dominant era like Nestea, Bomber, Mvp, Taeja or Life where it literally felt like nobody could stop them.
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Any list where MvP isn't #1 would be suspect.
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Will read the write up in a bit, but glad MVP is No 1.
I'll even forgive you for the MC/Taeja thing
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Excellent article, takes alot of passion to do this entire write up.
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On May 01 2015 18:46 Eliezar wrote: The greatest nonKorean's of all time would be nice too. 4. Snute 3. Jinro 2. Naniwa 1. Stephano
Who else is there?
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