• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:47
CEST 14:47
KST 21:47
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested0RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 202611Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28)10[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June4Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0
StarCraft 2
General
RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 2026 TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners High level ptr replays? where can I find them?
Tourneys
Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) GSL Code S Season 2 (2026)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 530 One For All The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed Mutation # 528 Infection Detected
Brood War
General
Where is EffOrt? BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ vespene.gg — BW replays in browser Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Grand Finals [BSL22] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CEST Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Relatively freeroll strategies Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total War: Warhammer 40K ZeroSpace Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
UK Politics Mega-thread [H]Internet/Gaming Cafe Tips and Tricks US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Does Workplace Frustration D…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 10513 users

Greatest Players of All Time: The Finale - Page 16

Forum Index > SC2 General
421 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 14 15 16 17 18 22 Next All
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
May 01 2015 01:30 GMT
#301
On May 01 2015 07:34 Skynx wrote:
Just for reference, Mvp v Inno comeback < Mvp v Tefel comeback

innovation is a robot that wins GSLs, tefel is a robot that uses a random number generator to create either roaches or hydralisks at any given moment and amove them into the opponent's main
TL+ Member
Orcasgt24
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3238 Posts
May 01 2015 03:10 GMT
#302
On April 30 2015 05:54 stuchiu wrote:
I know most of you just read the order but #1 is 8900 words long, that is 1/4th the entire article for all 15 players combined.

I read all 8900 word.

MVP deserves to have an article about his career be that long or longer. Well done!
In Hearthstone we pray to RNGesus. When Yogg-Saron hits the field, RNGod gets to work
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
May 01 2015 03:58 GMT
#303
I haven't been moved this much reading about a pro-gamer since the Maestro piece....
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
May 01 2015 04:10 GMT
#304
On May 01 2015 02:12 IshinShishi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2015 09:40 forsooth wrote:
Glad to see the King getting his due, there's never been another like him and there probably never will be again. SC2 just isn't nearly as interesting without him around.

It's hard for me to put it into words, honestly the new players should just go back and watch the god damn games, I'm sure they are enough testimony to Mvp's greatness. He showed time and time again sheer brilliance(intelligence?) in his game and sometimes it wentbeyond that, some of his games were inexplicable, it sounds silly but I feel like he sometimes transcended the game when it seemed as if every single move that happened were fitting their part in his grand plan.I've played DotA for almost 10 years, sc2 for at least 3, watched countless games and yet I can safely say that Mvp was the only player/team of any game to provide so much excitement through his play.

It's what you get when you have a player who is at the same time intelligent, tenacious, and incredibly adaptive. Watching Mvp stomp everyone with pure knowledge and mechanics in 2011 was amazing, but even more amazing was watching him hang on to his status as a top player for almost another year when his body failed him and forced him to rely entirely on preparation and creativity. Life is a great player and it's likely he'll pass Mvp in time, but over the course of his career Mvp demonstrated a unique brilliance that nobody can match. Nothing would be better than to see him return from obscurity with his health restored and go back to making everyone else look dumb again.
bulletbill
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada33 Posts
May 01 2015 05:20 GMT
#305
LOVED THE ENTIRE SERIES

2 complaints one of which i already voiced and the second relates to the first.

1st It felt as you went closer and closer to number 1 the prestige of tournament became more weighed by the run of the champion (NOT THE PLAYERS INVOLVED) and while it has been argued that "bracket luck" has been a factor for players to winning tournaments, BUT they A) still had to win the games to get the finals and then win said finals and B) Someone has to win.

2nd which i already voiced is that to be top 3 or better than mc (take your pick) you should have needed to have won at least 1 preparation style tournament and at least one weekend style tournament i dont care if mc (i'll look it up later and edit this is just an hypothetical metaphor) but 3 prep tournaments and 4-5 weekend tournaments vs teagas like 11-13 weekend tournaments and 0 prep tournaments top 3 of the greatest of the greats and you cant win the type of tournament that started many peoples love for starcraft around the world simply feels wrong i dont care if teaga goes on to win another 10 weekend tournaments and mc 0 for as long as teaga lacks a perp tournament win hes locked into 4th place of the greatest of all time until then.

Also sorry for elaborate complaints and criticism vs the praise. It needs to be said that making this list regardless of the rubric and how much you do or don't stick to it, regardless of the order for most part, some people are going to be happy and some aren't and throughout the list there are a lot close calls that im sure given how you line up certain details of run against run etc etc there might be a switch in player ranking or there might not. BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT YOU TOOK THE BALLS TO MAKE A LIST THAT TRIES ITS GOD DAM HARDEST TO BE MORE ABOUT THE FACTS THEN ABOUT FAN FAVOURITES OR PERSONAL PREFERENCE AND THAT IS A TASK THAT BASICALLY STARTS OFF ASKING FOR FAILURE AND WHEN YOU START A TASK THAT IS ALMOST A GUARANTEED F AND TO SCORE AROUND A B+ I GOTTA SAY WELL DONE AND CONGRATULATIONS.

ps i do think you even though they included several koreans, koreans that also regularly attended them i do feel you weighed foreign tournaments to high. while you went into detail as to why you did it still felt in some small cases a little high.
Ja.Y.
Profile Joined February 2015
United States253 Posts
May 01 2015 06:03 GMT
#306
There's too many if's, and's, or but's involved to truly classify who is #1 and so on. This was stuchiu's personal opinion, research, and view on the history of SC2. Of course it's going to be subjective, prone to bias, and have flaws. But, stuchiu wrote an incredibly well thought out and argumentative novel.

People have their arguments, own bias, and thoughts of who should be on the list, who shouldn't be, and why they should or shouldn't be. Mvp's place as the "greatest of all time" at #1 is deserving. There's no doubt that Life is very close to the title of "greatest of all time."

MMA will reign supreme once again // MaSa is gawd
kckkryptonite
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
1126 Posts
May 01 2015 06:13 GMT
#307
Great write-up and it really captured the moments of MVP's greatness for the people who weren't lucky enough to have experienced and followed it. Life is AMAZING, but what MVP has accomplished and his story from the SC2 scene, when it was more competitive; is what I remember most about the game. He is definitely the best player to have ever graced it. MVP, the one true king!
RIP avilo, qxc keyboard 2013, RIP Nathanis keyboard 2014
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
May 01 2015 06:49 GMT
#308
we're considering releasing mini-write ups for the players who are close to breaking into the top 15 (and maybe what they have to do to get in and where they'd land) if there is enough interest for it
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
Cam Connor
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada786 Posts
May 01 2015 06:52 GMT
#309
there is interest
post to be
TL+ Member
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12738 Posts
May 01 2015 07:03 GMT
#310
there is a lot of interest
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
May 01 2015 07:04 GMT
#311
I am also of the inclination that Life should have been #1. But MVP was at very least a close second, and arguably #1. But really, it's not that black and white IMO. The sodium content of this thread is quite unbelievable and I am quite enjoying poking back in here and reading it!
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
NasusAndDraven
Profile Joined April 2015
359 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-01 07:11:14
May 01 2015 07:10 GMT
#312
On May 01 2015 15:49 lichter wrote:
we're considering releasing mini-write ups for the players who are close to breaking into the top 15 (and maybe what they have to do to get in and where they'd land) if there is enough interest for it


Someway include idra, naniwa, stephano, thorzain, jinro, tester, rainbow, fruit dealer and losira. But i doupt that anyone exept stephano comes close T_T
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
May 01 2015 08:13 GMT
#313
This was the best SC2-related article I've ever read. Truly captures the magnificence that was Mvp in his prime - but also when he wasn't in his prime, but managed to win anyway. Almost brought me to tears.

It was a glorious time, watching Mvp beat the very best players against all the odds stacked against him and against everyone's expectations. To me, Mvp is the greatest player of all time. Almost without a doubt Life will win more championships than Mvp (maybe even more GSLs) and reach a higher level of skill. But I don't think we will ever see a player perform so well considering the circumstances, with physical pain and difficult metas. Mvp is nothing but unique. Such a player!

It's such a terrible shame he suffered so much physically. One can only imagine what he could've achieved if he had stayed healthy. While he has surprised us so many times before, I don't think Mvp will come back to his same level. I miss his play. Watching Mvp play was the best time for me as SC2 fan. Thank you Stuchiu for this article, and so many thanks to Mvp for putting on this fantastic show.

Long live the one and only King.
Flash | Mvp
Fuell
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands3111 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-01 08:48:35
May 01 2015 08:38 GMT
#314
On May 01 2015 15:49 lichter wrote:
we're considering releasing mini-write ups for the players who are close to breaking into the top 15 (and maybe what they have to do to get in and where they'd land) if there is enough interest for it

yes please!
fOu/Zenith/NEX/WeRRa/SlayerS
Eliezar
Profile Joined May 2004
United States481 Posts
May 01 2015 09:46 GMT
#315
The greatest nonKorean's of all time would be nice too.
Berry_CruncH
Profile Joined April 2015
5 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-01 10:01:37
May 01 2015 09:57 GMT
#316
On May 01 2015 14:20 bulletbill wrote:
LOVED THE ENTIRE SERIES

2 complaints one of which i already voiced and the second relates to the first.

1st It felt as you went closer and closer to number 1 the prestige of tournament became more weighed by the run of the champion (NOT THE PLAYERS INVOLVED) and while it has been argued that "bracket luck" has been a factor for players to winning tournaments, BUT they A) still had to win the games to get the finals and then win said finals and B) Someone has to win.

2nd which i already voiced is that to be top 3 or better than mc (take your pick) you should have needed to have won at least 1 preparation style tournament and at least one weekend style tournament i dont care if mc (i'll look it up later and edit this is just an hypothetical metaphor) but 3 prep tournaments and 4-5 weekend tournaments vs teagas like 11-13 weekend tournaments and 0 prep tournaments top 3 of the greatest of the greats and you cant win the type of tournament that started many peoples love for starcraft around the world simply feels wrong i dont care if teaga goes on to win another 10 weekend tournaments and mc 0 for as long as teaga lacks a perp tournament win hes locked into 4th place of the greatest of all time until then.

Also sorry for elaborate complaints and criticism vs the praise. It needs to be said that making this list regardless of the rubric and how much you do or don't stick to it, regardless of the order for most part, some people are going to be happy and some aren't and throughout the list there are a lot close calls that im sure given how you line up certain details of run against run etc etc there might be a switch in player ranking or there might not. BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT YOU TOOK THE BALLS TO MAKE A LIST THAT TRIES ITS GOD DAM HARDEST TO BE MORE ABOUT THE FACTS THEN ABOUT FAN FAVOURITES OR PERSONAL PREFERENCE AND THAT IS A TASK THAT BASICALLY STARTS OFF ASKING FOR FAILURE AND WHEN YOU START A TASK THAT IS ALMOST A GUARANTEED F AND TO SCORE AROUND A B+ I GOTTA SAY WELL DONE AND CONGRATULATIONS.

ps i do think you even though they included several koreans, koreans that also regularly attended them i do feel you weighed foreign tournaments to high. while you went into detail as to why you did it still felt in some small cases a little high.


I don't remember which run but Mvp had the hardest GSL run ever. He literally had to beat every GSL champion on the way to the finals (with the exception of Fruitdealer).

But I do agree with you about MC, althought Taeja and MC is debatable because of that streak Taeja had where he was literally unstoppable. MC has always been really good and a top and consistent player but he's never really had a dominant era like Nestea, Bomber, Mvp, Taeja or Life where it literally felt like nobody could stop them.
machinus
Profile Joined January 2010
United States292 Posts
May 01 2015 10:00 GMT
#317
Any list where MvP isn't #1 would be suspect.
Mallidon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Scotland557 Posts
May 01 2015 10:15 GMT
#318
Will read the write up in a bit, but glad MVP is No 1.

I'll even forgive you for the MC/Taeja thing
Bleh.
Shortizz
Profile Joined July 2011
Singapore129 Posts
May 01 2015 10:36 GMT
#319
Excellent article, takes alot of passion to do this entire write up.
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5624 Posts
May 01 2015 11:58 GMT
#320
On May 01 2015 18:46 Eliezar wrote:
The greatest nonKorean's of all time would be nice too.

4. Snute
3. Jinro
2. Naniwa
1. Stephano

Who else is there?
don't wall off against random
Prev 1 14 15 16 17 18 22 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Spring Champion…
11:00
Group Stage 2
WardiTV755
TaKeTV 301
Ryung 187
Rex158
TKL 136
IndyStarCraft 79
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Ryung 187
Rex 158
TKL 136
IndyStarCraft 79
BRAT_OK 64
LamboSC2 55
Railgan 53
SHIN 27
trigger 20
MindelVK 10
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 38445
Sea 3007
Soulkey 1479
Shuttle 1351
Mini 1318
EffOrt 973
Soma 512
firebathero 486
Light 369
Snow 206
[ Show more ]
Zeus 179
Movie 175
ggaemo 174
Rush 155
hero 128
Pusan 128
Backho 120
Mong 107
Hyun 99
Free 94
scan(afreeca) 69
Liquid`Ret 57
Sharp 53
Sea.KH 46
JYJ 43
[sc1f]eonzerg 37
sorry 23
Barracks 20
yabsab 19
GoRush 18
Shine 17
IntoTheRainbow 16
Noble 15
Sacsri 15
Bale 15
zelot 14
soO 11
Terrorterran 9
Icarus 6
Dota 2
Dendi1445
qojqva349
XcaliburYe244
League of Legends
JimRising 266
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1697
zeus171
edward149
markeloff72
kRYSTAL_18
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King116
Heroes of the Storm
Trikslyr47
Other Games
Liquid`RaSZi970
Lowko718
B2W.Neo678
hiko396
Happy234
DeMusliM166
XaKoH 108
Fuzer 57
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream3062
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 54
• iHatsuTV 3
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos2067
• TFBlade554
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
11h 13m
Replay Cast
20h 13m
The PondCast
1d 21h
OSC
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
GSL
3 days
Maru vs ShoWTimE
Classic vs Reynor
herO vs Lambo
Solar vs Clem
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
4 days
XuanXuan vs Jaystar
Mihu vs Messiah
eOnzErG vs Dewalt
Bonyth vs Jaystar
TerrOr vs Messiah
XuanXuan vs Mihu
eOnzErG vs Jaystar
Replay Cast
4 days
GSL
4 days
Patches Events
5 days
[ Show More ]
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
5 days
Dewalt vs Messiah
Bonyth vs Mihu
TerrOr vs XuanXuan
eOnzErG vs Messiah
Jaystar vs Mihu
Dewalt vs XuanXuan
Bonyth vs TerrOr
Replay Cast
5 days
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-06-15
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
SCTL 2026 Spring
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
Murky Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #2
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1

Upcoming

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Douyu Cup 2026
BCC 2026
Heroes Pulsing #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.