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gondolin
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
France332 Posts
April 30 2015 13:40 GMT
#261
Beautiful, beautiful article, and I agree with the placement and that the only one who can ever hope to surpass Mvp is Life himself.
Mpv at his peak was a scary beast, on the level of the old sc1 bonjwa: perfect micro+macro+strategy. The only one who can rival him in this point is Life. Even then Mvp was the most innovative for his race (something that Life is behind to Nestea and Stephano). I would dare to say that Mvp defined not only how Terran would play, but all the other races.
But as you so eleqently write in your article, the true legacy of Mvp came after his peak, during his adversities. Winning or almost winning against the prime P/Z/T at the time in a meta that was the most favorable for them and the most diffavorable for Mvp is what made his games enter the legend and transcended Mvp itself.

There is no doubt in my mind that if you were to take any one of this list at their prime against another player and said that it would be the last bo7 series they would ever play, Mvp would win.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
April 30 2015 13:58 GMT
#262
On April 30 2015 22:40 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2015 19:19 Zealously wrote:
On April 30 2015 19:18 sAsImre wrote:
On April 30 2015 18:52 Inzan1ty wrote:
Mvp = King of Wings
Life = Emperor of Swarm

Its all tied, let LotV be the deciding "map" :D

Much respect for what Mvp has build and accomplished, but Life belongs the future.


There is no doubt Life will overcome Mvp in the future. The main question is when.


Just over a month ago, in fact


So not robbed after all


Btw congratz for the articles, only the pieces about the players would've been marvellous then the PR add the level of saltiness to make this epic (and interest people)
Zest fanboy.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
April 30 2015 14:11 GMT
#263
On April 30 2015 22:20 Apoteosis wrote:
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On April 30 2015 17:36 TheDwf wrote:

On April 30 2015 14:36 Apoteosis wrote:
And as per the finals vs Life, he did not make the same build all the finals: he switched between helion banshee and 2fact BFH. Why did he do that? Both were extremely difficult to discern with overlord scouting. So, Mvp switched between a macro build and a cheesy one. That's why Life opted throughout the series by making 2base muta.

That's some epic rewriting of history if I ever saw it.


Yea sure, look at the VODs...

At that time, overlord scout for zerg should hit at 6:30. By that time you can only see a factory and a tech-lab. Mvp exploited that fact and switched between 2fact BFH and 1-1-1 hellion banshee. G1 was 2fact BFH. G3 was Hellion Banshee.

Why 2fact BFH is considered cheese? Because if you don't do enough damage with the BFH (and by damage, I mean 15+ drone kills), you get so behind that is nearly impossible to come back. Watch the VODs and you will see what I'm pointing at. In the games that Mvp went fot 2fact BFH and didn't do enough damage, his follow-up 3 base mech push (which, by the way, was Mvp build of choice in the late game throughout all the series) was easily thwarted by Life.

And by the way, throughout all the series, Life actively made the effort to deny Mvp's map control. Look at the VOD's. Hellions and banshees give map control for Terran until mutas came. What did Life to counter that? His trademark backstabs and run-bys. They barely made damage to Mvp's economy, but if you look closely, Life was active with his zerglings all the early and midgame, in order to always being aware of where were the hellions of Mvp. So, while Life was making a runby at the third fo Mvp, he sent another pack of lings to surround and kill the hellions, thus denying Mvp's map control.

Mvp vs Life was a great series. All these details, all that mindgames, it was a beautiful series, worthy of the two best SC2 players of all-time.

Sorry, I should have been more clear. The epic rewriting is about “Both were extremely difficult to discern with overlord scouting”. Overlord sacrifices were precisely impossible to deny on every map except Cloud Kingdom.
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
April 30 2015 14:12 GMT
#264
Hail to the King baby. I hope MVP resurrects himself in LOTV somehow.
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
April 30 2015 14:15 GMT
#265
That article about Mvp brought me to tears. Long live the King !
neteX
Profile Joined April 2015
Sweden285 Posts
April 30 2015 14:31 GMT
#266
On April 30 2015 23:15 [PkF] Wire wrote:
That article about Mvp brought me to tears. Long live the King !


i have to agree... that article was lé epic
http://www.twitter.com/neteXLoL flw pls
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
April 30 2015 14:46 GMT
#267
On April 30 2015 23:31 neteX wrote:
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On April 30 2015 23:15 [PkF] Wire wrote:
That article about Mvp brought me to tears. Long live the King !


i have to agree... that article was lé epic

Is it a typo or did you try to French?
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
April 30 2015 15:05 GMT
#268
Bunker rushing Squirtle... I'm still ambivalent with hate and love about that one
maru G5L pls
SigmaoctanusIV
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States3313 Posts
April 30 2015 15:12 GMT
#269
The Write up was good but not putting MC third is a crime against nature. Still GG!
I am Godzilla You are Japan
LemonyTang
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom428 Posts
April 30 2015 15:23 GMT
#270
just posting again to confirm that i LOVE this article ALMOST as much as i LOVE mvp
Mvp #1
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-30 15:26:09
April 30 2015 15:24 GMT
#271
On April 30 2015 17:36 TheDwf wrote:
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On April 30 2015 11:00 sitromit wrote:
On April 30 2015 10:46 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
On April 30 2015 08:49 sitromit wrote:
After that is Mvp’s 1st in GSL Season 2 Code S 2012. There he beat a Top 5 P, Top 10 T, Top 3 Z, Top 5 P, Top 2 P, and the best protoss. In comparison to that I equated this to Life’s Blizzcon and IEM NY runs. At Blizzcon he beat a Top 1 P (though jet lagged), Top 10 P, Top 2 T and a Top 5 T. The format again was better for Mvp and so was the player list. Yes there was prestige for Life, but the era in which Mvp was playing was worse for terran against protoss than it was for zerg during Blizzcon.

In that era which according to you was so bad for Terran, there were 3 T in the top 8 of GSL. How many Zergs were at the top 8 of Life's Blizzcon? That's right, only 1. In fact, Zerg was not just the least represented race at that Blizzcon, it had been the least successful race in all WCS events in HotS up until that point.


soO's 4 silvers tilts that quite a bit

The fact that Stuchiu considers him the best Zerg in 2014 by far and he still couldn't win anything, losing multiple finals to different players should tell you something.

Yeah, it tells you that Stuchiu knows his business.

Shocker that you would chime in...

Best Zerg can't win anything, every year in HotS Zerg is the least represented race in Blizzcon, the tournament which represents the sum of an entire year's worth of tournament results, but yeah poor Mvp was playing in a hostile meta in GomTvT while Life won Blizzcon easymode with Zerg.
Draconicfire
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2562 Posts
April 30 2015 15:25 GMT
#272
Wonderful writeup on MVP. Haven't seen his games in a long time but the writeup brought back all of those feels of him just pulling through when there was seemingly no chance.

Really liked this series. Hope to see more of these types of articles in the future.
@Drayxs | Drayxs.221 | Drayxs#1802
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
April 30 2015 15:26 GMT
#273
On May 01 2015 00:24 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2015 17:36 TheDwf wrote:
On April 30 2015 11:00 sitromit wrote:
On April 30 2015 10:46 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
On April 30 2015 08:49 sitromit wrote:
After that is Mvp’s 1st in GSL Season 2 Code S 2012. There he beat a Top 5 P, Top 10 T, Top 3 Z, Top 5 P, Top 2 P, and the best protoss. In comparison to that I equated this to Life’s Blizzcon and IEM NY runs. At Blizzcon he beat a Top 1 P (though jet lagged), Top 10 P, Top 2 T and a Top 5 T. The format again was better for Mvp and so was the player list. Yes there was prestige for Life, but the era in which Mvp was playing was worse for terran against protoss than it was for zerg during Blizzcon.

In that era which according to you was so bad for Terran, there were 3 T in the top 8 of GSL. How many Zergs were at the top 8 of Life's Blizzcon? That's right, only 1. In fact, Zerg was not just the least represented race at that Blizzcon, it had been the least successful race in all WCS events in HotS up until that point.


soO's 4 silvers tilts that quite a bit

The fact that Stuchiu considers him the best Zerg in 2014 by far and he still couldn't win anything, losing multiple finals to different players should tell you something.

Yeah, it tells you that Stuchiu knows his business.

Shocker that you would chime in...

Best Zerg can't win anything, every year in HotS Zerg is the least represented race in Blizzcon, the tournament which represents the sum of an entire year's worth of tournament results, but yeah poor Mvp was playing in a hostile meta in GomTvT while Life won Blizzcon easymode with Zerg.

LOL...

How I crave for your bicolor world. It must be such a bliss.
3point14
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany890 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-30 15:33:50
April 30 2015 15:31 GMT
#274
I think Life's second place in TSL (team liquid starleague) is missing in achivements.

btw, does Life now also have 4 GSL wins to his name? cause I dont know which Blizzcon title counts towards it and such


edit: I also strongly approve of the list . thats what valuable community content looks like!
joshie0808
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1024 Posts
April 30 2015 15:35 GMT
#275
Wow what a great write up. I could feel the hype and the nostalgia from the article about MVP. Thanks!!
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
April 30 2015 15:39 GMT
#276
On May 01 2015 00:05 neptunusfisk wrote:
Bunker rushing Squirtle... I'm still ambivalent with hate and love about that one

Pretty characteristic of genius ^^
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
April 30 2015 15:55 GMT
#277
glad to see you got number 1 correct
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Cam Connor
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada786 Posts
April 30 2015 15:56 GMT
#278
kind of cool that a terran was best at the terran game and a zerg was best at the zerg game
post to be
TL+ Member
necrosexy
Profile Joined March 2011
451 Posts
April 30 2015 15:57 GMT
#279
clearly a nostalgic and sentimental pick for no 1.
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
April 30 2015 16:31 GMT
#280
Amazing work stuchiu, literally brought tears to my eyes as I remembered vividly every one of those amazing moments.

Hail to the king.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
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