Greatest Players of All Time: The Finale - Page 12

On April 30 2015 14:31 swag_bro wrote:


Obvious troll is obvious. Enjoy your ban kid.



Okay this analogy makes absolutely zero sense at all, in comparison to my comparisons at least.

Basketball has no metagame that changes consistently or any balance patches because certain shoes are too imba. It's just a few tall guys running around and throwing a ball into a basket.

StarCraft II, on the other hand, is evolving every day. Players find new ways to play and there are balance patches that can change everything. Also, players play different race so that also changes things. Basketball is just who is faster and more accurate. That is all.

On April 30 2015 14:36 Apoteosis wrote:
Oh come on...

I think stuchiu is exaggerating when it comes to Mvp's changes to the Terran race.
Hellion Banshee existed since the very first GSL. The first Terran to play macro in a solid way was Jinro. The most extended build order for TvT (1-1-1) was around since WoL beta. And Nada played far better bio-mech style than Mvp.

About TvZ, I can credit Mvp for being one of the first players to use mech in the matchup effectively. But come on, mech play was always a hipster option. Mvp's repertoire of builds during BL/Festor era were pure cheese, save for that hellion banshee into 3 base mech. And as per the finals vs Life, he did not make the same build all the finals: he switched between helion banshee and 2fact BFH. Why did he do that? Both were extremely difficult to discern with overlord scouting. So, Mvp switched between a macro build and a cheesy one. That's why Life opted throughout the series by making 2base muta.

As per TvP, granted, he invented the SCV pulls. But nothing more. He grinded that GSL trophy in 2012 relying on pure cheese. I mean, Has will be proud of him.

So, overall, Mvp's contributions to the game that lasted to this day were: mech play and SCV pulls. If that is the case, hell, even MKP was far more innovative. Even to this day Terrans do the marine split and stutter step micro, go for 3 base builds against zerg and go for pure bio play in TvT. And Life contributions? Still no Zerg can play like him. Why is that? Because of his timings. His timings are beautiful. And by the way, he was the first one to play aggro in the BL/Festor era. His contributions are not as important as Nestea's or Stephano's, but consider this: Life playstyle is unmatched, impossible to imitate because his playstyle lies upon another conception of the very basic principles of the Zerg race. No Zerg can master the art of making units and drones at the same time. No Zerg can cycle up the drone/Army mechanic like he does: he drones at the most unexpected timings, he attacks when no other Zerg will do such thing.

And finally, if it is for miraculous runs, Fruitdealer's run was far more impressive and with a more powerful emotional background.


Anyways, Mvp could be the N° 1 because of nostalgia, but please, say it plainly, instead of hiding in "objective" and "rational" arguments. We all know that your list is a subjective one. Nobody would have complained if you out Mvp in N° 1 place because of nostalgia: I, for one, am not complaining. I am just pointing that there is no real objective argument to put Mvp above Life. Only time will tell if there is such argument. Or maybe not and Mvp will be our first bonjwa and Life our next one: none is above the other one, because both belong to another scale.

On April 30 2015 16:23 Gwavajuice wrote:
To stuchiu (or any other writer that will do such an article in the future) :

Next time, change title to "My Greatest Players of all times", you'll recieve less negative comments and people will focus more on the quality of the writting. Suggesting > forcing, every day...

On April 30 2015 14:54 OtherWorld wrote:

Period.
Even after reading the articles (Mvp's one is particularly nice btw) I fail to see how Mvp being #1 isn't the product of mainly nostalgia and glorification of the first years of SC2.

On April 30 2015 10:48 baabaa101 wrote:
I'll accept this, since the amount of gushing about MVP made it quite clear what race the author prefers. Note how he bent over backwards to make excuses for why MVP ONLY cheesed Squirtle in game 7. MVP should be denied rank #1 for PRECISELY this game. the whole 11/11 meta is a big reason for there being something wrong with the game all this time yet people just "accept" that terrans ought to be allowed to play strategies and win like this, and even if it doesn't work they can usually recover anyway. The fact that any terran, including and especially MVP could get that far and win a GSL by cheesing so much demonstrated the broken early game in favour of terran (that HOTS made even worse) Note also how the author blames MVP's loss to Life in the GSL finals on the Broodlord infestor meta: according to him, when terran wins, it's the godlike skill of the player. when zerg wins, it's the imba race. Next time, get someone to do this who doesn't have that obvious bias. If you want to blame Life's win over MVP on broodlord infestor, then blame MVP's win over Squirtle on the broken 11/11. I watched that series, and it was a great series until game 7 completely ruined it. Can't blame MVP though, he wants to win and he knows terrans can cheese to win and does it. that this kind of play gets glorified as exciting when all it is is taking advantage of a poor early game balance level to steal easy wins is just embarrassing to the game. I suppose if there is one thing that is positive about LoTV is that hopefully this stuff won't continue. Which race can buy cloaked-early game production-auto-attack-air attack-splash damage-non-suicide-counters zerg detection-widow mines for a measly 25 gas...the only unit in the game of any race that comes close to that level of silliness is .. cyclones.... zerg use swarmhosts in order to not die to terran turtle max mech and in order to not die to protoss turtle max colossus air. the swarm host nerf is as ridiculous a move by blizzard as terrans would think removing air attack from widow mines and making them attack only once every 2 minutes would be, or making forcefields cost 100 energy instead of 50. but hey, what do I know, I only watch reaper widow mine hellbat constantly decimating the TvZ meta all over the GSL and the F button making even armies of P and Z turn into a cakewalk for protoss hardly losing any units while all the zerg units die. what do I know.... just what I actually see happen.

User was temp banned for this post. Not this post alone, but continuous balance whine

On April 30 2015 11:00 sitromit wrote:

The fact that Stuchiu considers him the best Zerg in 2014 by far and he still couldn't win anything, losing multiple finals to different players should tell you something.

On April 30 2015 14:36 Apoteosis wrote:
And as per the finals vs Life, he did not make the same build all the finals: he switched between helion banshee and 2fact BFH. Why did he do that? Both were extremely difficult to discern with overlord scouting. So, Mvp switched between a macro build and a cheesy one. That's why Life opted throughout the series by making 2base muta.

On April 30 2015 18:11 Holloworb wrote:
I must admit i watched alot more WoL than I've done HotS so Im biased towards Mvp, but I really think he deserves this, he was such a force in SC2. Reading the last parts about him here brought back some memories and gave me chills.

Personally I appreciate Mvp's accomplishments alot more now than when he was in his prime, a true Starcraft legend.