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Greatest Players of All Time: Part 1 - Page 8

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Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2633 Posts
April 11 2015 20:15 GMT
#141
LOL at people who have Rain on their top 10. The guy is good, but he's only won 3 tournaments. None of which were serious, long term events. (First ever OSL with half BW players who don't know how to play the game, WCS Asia Finals with literally Bo3 the entire tournament, Hot6ix Cup may have been the only notable win).

My top 10 in no particular order
Mvp
Life
Taeja
Innovation
Parting
sOs
Polt
Nestea
MC
Zest
Jangbi favorite player. Forever~ CJ herO the King of IEM. BOMBERRRRRRRR. Sexy Boy Rogue. soO #1! Oliveira China Represent!
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1415 Posts
April 11 2015 20:15 GMT
#142
On April 12 2015 05:14 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2015 05:13 Tanzklaue wrote:
my favourite part was that marineking's article basically was "he sucks, he is dumb, wasted potential", then "he totes better than soo tho".

i kinda feel a discrepancy there. not that i disagree with the sentiment, but maybe he would've deserved to be palced lower.


Just because he could have achieved far more doesn't deduct from the results he had

i would stilla rgue that his achievements were way worse than what soo, maru and maybe even DRG accomplished.
Dragoonstorm7
Profile Joined December 2012
United States599 Posts
April 11 2015 20:16 GMT
#143
On April 12 2015 05:15 Brutaxilos wrote:
LOL at people who have Rain on their top 10. The guy is good, but he's only won 3 tournaments. None of which were serious, long term events. (First ever OSL with half BW players who don't know how to play the game, WCS Asia Finals with literally Bo3 the entire tournament, Hot6ix Cup may have been the only notable win).

My top 10 in no particular order
Mvp
Life
Taeja
Innovation
Parting
sOs
Polt
Nestea
MC
Zest

sOs already stated to be #16 in Leenocks article.
oblivion awaits- dark archon (aka best unit ever)
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
April 11 2015 20:17 GMT
#144
On April 12 2015 05:15 Brutaxilos wrote:
LOL at people who have Rain on their top 10. The guy is good, but he's only won 3 tournaments. None of which were serious, long term events. (First ever OSL with half BW players who don't know how to play the game, WCS Asia Finals with literally Bo3 the entire tournament, Hot6ix Cup may have been the only notable win).

My top 10 in no particular order
Mvp
Life
Taeja
Innovation
Parting
sOs
Polt
Nestea
MC
Zest

MMA outside the top 10? Wowzers
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
Apoteosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile820 Posts
April 11 2015 20:17 GMT
#145
On April 12 2015 05:04 Tanzklaue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2015 05:00 Apoteosis wrote:
On April 12 2015 04:56 Tanzklaue wrote:
On April 12 2015 04:55 Apoteosis wrote:
No FruitDealer ?

Come on !!!

fruitdealer won 1 tournament, and did nothing else. yes, it was the first big tournament win ever, but still he did nothing impressive afterwards.


The very first GSL was impressive in his own right.
And if you don't (or can't) remember, Zergs were underperforming back in the day. FD play at the very first GSL marked the concept of how Zerg should macro, even to this day. Expand, drone, expand, attack. Every Zerg play by that norm when they play macro.

and again, he won 1 tournament, then did jackshit after that. he never had another deep run. by that logic we shpould put seed in there, who won GSL after no protoss had won it for years. also the seocnd winner was nestea, another zerg. i dunno, but purely based on tournament wins we might have overestimated imbalances. the next 2 winners of the tournament were terran and protoss. terran dominance only started after the infancy phase of sc2.


It was the VERY FIRST GSL, when the meta was just pure cheese and the maps were so against Zerg that even BitByBit and Trickster made deep tournament runs. There, and the macro legacy, made FD a creditor for a space on this list.

And by the way, Nestea was the only good Zerg around that time after FD. And that's because Blizzard buffed the roach and a bunch of other adjustments that made Zerg more viable to play at high-levels.
Life won like 200k and didn't hire a proper criminal lawyer.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45254 Posts
April 11 2015 20:18 GMT
#146
On April 12 2015 05:14 opisska wrote:
I am dying of curiosity to know what are the 10 players that are greater of all times then Maru!


Surely you could easily guess at least 5 of them?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-11 20:22:00
April 11 2015 20:18 GMT
#147
On April 12 2015 05:15 Brutaxilos wrote:
LOL at people who have Rain on their top 10. The guy is good, but he's only won 3 tournaments. None of which were serious, long term events. (First ever OSL with half BW players who don't know how to play the game, WCS Asia Finals with literally Bo3 the entire tournament, Hot6ix Cup may have been the only notable win).

My top 10 in no particular order
Mvp
Life
Taeja
Innovation
Parting
sOs
Polt
Nestea
MC
Zest

Rain did define the Protoss meta game like few others, particulary in PvP. So despite him not being the winningest player, he has something going for him.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2633 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-11 20:19:08
April 11 2015 20:18 GMT
#148
On April 12 2015 05:16 Dragoonstorm7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2015 05:15 Brutaxilos wrote:
LOL at people who have Rain on their top 10. The guy is good, but he's only won 3 tournaments. None of which were serious, long term events. (First ever OSL with half BW players who don't know how to play the game, WCS Asia Finals with literally Bo3 the entire tournament, Hot6ix Cup may have been the only notable win).

My top 10 in no particular order
Mvp
Life
Taeja
Innovation
Parting
sOs
Polt
Nestea
MC
Zest

sOs already stated to be #16 in Leenocks article.

Replace him with MMA. I forgot about that.
Jangbi favorite player. Forever~ CJ herO the King of IEM. BOMBERRRRRRRR. Sexy Boy Rogue. soO #1! Oliveira China Represent!
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
April 11 2015 20:20 GMT
#149
Parting MMA Polt Zest Innovation Nestea MC Taeja Life Mvp there's your top 10 in no particular order. Mine and Stuchiu's order are probably similar but not the same
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1415 Posts
April 11 2015 20:22 GMT
#150
On April 12 2015 05:17 Apoteosis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2015 05:04 Tanzklaue wrote:
On April 12 2015 05:00 Apoteosis wrote:
On April 12 2015 04:56 Tanzklaue wrote:
On April 12 2015 04:55 Apoteosis wrote:
No FruitDealer ?

Come on !!!

fruitdealer won 1 tournament, and did nothing else. yes, it was the first big tournament win ever, but still he did nothing impressive afterwards.


The very first GSL was impressive in his own right.
And if you don't (or can't) remember, Zergs were underperforming back in the day. FD play at the very first GSL marked the concept of how Zerg should macro, even to this day. Expand, drone, expand, attack. Every Zerg play by that norm when they play macro.

and again, he won 1 tournament, then did jackshit after that. he never had another deep run. by that logic we shpould put seed in there, who won GSL after no protoss had won it for years. also the seocnd winner was nestea, another zerg. i dunno, but purely based on tournament wins we might have overestimated imbalances. the next 2 winners of the tournament were terran and protoss. terran dominance only started after the infancy phase of sc2.


It was the VERY FIRST GSL, when the meta was just pure cheese and the maps were so against Zerg that even BitByBit and Trickster made deep tournament runs. There, and the macro legacy, made FD a creditor for a space on this list.

And by the way, Nestea was the only good Zerg around that time after FD. And that's because Blizzard buffed the roach and a bunch of other adjustments that made Zerg more viable to play at high-levels.

there, you said it yourself. literally anyone could make deep tournament runs. even fruitdealer, a nobody of not too remarkable skill. the people of that time that actually made multiple deep runs during that time and after that time, like marinekind, mvp, nestea and mc, are featured on the list or are certain to be listed.
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
April 11 2015 20:22 GMT
#151
You know what would be fun? Taeja best of all time

xD but in all seriousness, i think best of all time must be Mvp.

After that, give it to Life, MC, MMA, or even Polt, for consistency during all these years.
WriterTeamLiquid Staff writer since 2014 @Mortal_Phantom
Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2633 Posts
April 11 2015 20:22 GMT
#152
On April 12 2015 05:18 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2015 05:15 Brutaxilos wrote:
LOL at people who have Rain on their top 10. The guy is good, but he's only won 3 tournaments. None of which were serious, long term events. (First ever OSL with half BW players who don't know how to play the game, WCS Asia Finals with literally Bo3 the entire tournament, Hot6ix Cup may have been the only notable win).

My top 10 in no particular order
Mvp
Life
Taeja
Innovation
Parting
sOs
Polt
Nestea
MC
Zest

Rain did define the Protoss meta game like few others, particulary in PvP. So despite him not being the winningest player, he has something going for him.

Couldn't you argue that Destiny defined the Zerg meta game in WoL with his infestor play? I'm not saying Rain is bad, he's just overrated in my opinion.
Jangbi favorite player. Forever~ CJ herO the King of IEM. BOMBERRRRRRRR. Sexy Boy Rogue. soO #1! Oliveira China Represent!
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3471 Posts
April 11 2015 20:23 GMT
#153
On April 12 2015 05:17 Apoteosis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2015 05:04 Tanzklaue wrote:
On April 12 2015 05:00 Apoteosis wrote:
On April 12 2015 04:56 Tanzklaue wrote:
On April 12 2015 04:55 Apoteosis wrote:
No FruitDealer ?

Come on !!!

fruitdealer won 1 tournament, and did nothing else. yes, it was the first big tournament win ever, but still he did nothing impressive afterwards.


The very first GSL was impressive in his own right.
And if you don't (or can't) remember, Zergs were underperforming back in the day. FD play at the very first GSL marked the concept of how Zerg should macro, even to this day. Expand, drone, expand, attack. Every Zerg play by that norm when they play macro.

and again, he won 1 tournament, then did jackshit after that. he never had another deep run. by that logic we shpould put seed in there, who won GSL after no protoss had won it for years. also the seocnd winner was nestea, another zerg. i dunno, but purely based on tournament wins we might have overestimated imbalances. the next 2 winners of the tournament were terran and protoss. terran dominance only started after the infancy phase of sc2.


It was the VERY FIRST GSL, when the meta was just pure cheese and the maps were so against Zerg that even BitByBit and Trickster made deep tournament runs. There, and the macro legacy, made FD a creditor for a space on this list.

And by the way, Nestea was the only good Zerg around that time after FD. And that's because Blizzard buffed the roach and a bunch of other adjustments that made Zerg more viable to play at high-levels.

Hey! Trickster/Tester is a total boss. He was my first Protoss crush.
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
Dragoonstorm7
Profile Joined December 2012
United States599 Posts
April 11 2015 20:24 GMT
#154
On April 12 2015 05:22 Tanzklaue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2015 05:17 Apoteosis wrote:
On April 12 2015 05:04 Tanzklaue wrote:
On April 12 2015 05:00 Apoteosis wrote:
On April 12 2015 04:56 Tanzklaue wrote:
On April 12 2015 04:55 Apoteosis wrote:
No FruitDealer ?

Come on !!!

fruitdealer won 1 tournament, and did nothing else. yes, it was the first big tournament win ever, but still he did nothing impressive afterwards.


The very first GSL was impressive in his own right.
And if you don't (or can't) remember, Zergs were underperforming back in the day. FD play at the very first GSL marked the concept of how Zerg should macro, even to this day. Expand, drone, expand, attack. Every Zerg play by that norm when they play macro.

and again, he won 1 tournament, then did jackshit after that. he never had another deep run. by that logic we shpould put seed in there, who won GSL after no protoss had won it for years. also the seocnd winner was nestea, another zerg. i dunno, but purely based on tournament wins we might have overestimated imbalances. the next 2 winners of the tournament were terran and protoss. terran dominance only started after the infancy phase of sc2.


It was the VERY FIRST GSL, when the meta was just pure cheese and the maps were so against Zerg that even BitByBit and Trickster made deep tournament runs. There, and the macro legacy, made FD a creditor for a space on this list.

And by the way, Nestea was the only good Zerg around that time after FD. And that's because Blizzard buffed the roach and a bunch of other adjustments that made Zerg more viable to play at high-levels.

there, you said it yourself. literally anyone could make deep tournament runs. even fruitdealer, a nobody of not too remarkable skill. the people of that time that actually made multiple deep runs during that time and after that time, like marinekind, mvp, nestea and mc, are featured on the list or are certain to be listed.

Also looking at the criteria of how they judge tournament in paragraph 2 of the forward, the very first GSL is probably considered the very weakest , hence the least significant.
oblivion awaits- dark archon (aka best unit ever)
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1415 Posts
April 11 2015 20:25 GMT
#155
On April 12 2015 05:22 [Phantom] wrote:
You know what would be fun? Taeja best of all time

xD but in all seriousness, i think best of all time must be Mvp.

After that, give it to Life, MC, MMA, or even Polt, for consistency during all these years.

because winning 11 premiers over 3 years isn't consistent.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
April 11 2015 20:28 GMT
#156
On April 12 2015 04:57 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2015 04:57 geokilla wrote:
Maru only 13?! I'm not so sure about that. Why is he only 13th?


It says so in his section, you know


What is reading?
Moderator
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
April 11 2015 20:30 GMT
#157
On April 12 2015 05:28 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2015 04:57 Zealously wrote:
On April 12 2015 04:57 geokilla wrote:
Maru only 13?! I'm not so sure about that. Why is he only 13th?


It says so in his section, you know


What is reading?

I just look at the name, the number, and the pretty pictures
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-11 20:30:19
April 11 2015 20:30 GMT
#158
On April 12 2015 05:28 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2015 04:57 Zealously wrote:
On April 12 2015 04:57 geokilla wrote:
Maru only 13?! I'm not so sure about that. Why is he only 13th?


It says so in his section, you know


What is reading?

What is love?


It's a 10-pool.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
April 11 2015 20:33 GMT
#159
Just got around to reading the whole thing. I love the fact that you give justification for each ranking and why they're better than the last guy, it makes it feel a lot more definitive and thought out.
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
April 11 2015 20:36 GMT
#160
I'll edit my list:

#10: Zest
#9: Nestea
#8: MMA
#7: Polt
#6: Parting
#5: MC
#4: Innovation
#3: Taeja
#2: Mvp
#1: Life

will edit with commenting later on.
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