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KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
On March 25 2015 04:47 c0ldfusion wrote: Damn that actually makes a lot of sense. It was pretty planned and MKP had to decide whether to continue with the plan after accidentally scouting the proxy. So you're arguing that ByuL was matchfixing too? | ||
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shockaslim
United States1104 Posts
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Zeweig
Sweden189 Posts
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Bacillus
Finland1881 Posts
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KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
But if he didn't know it, then you can't say that "he scouted the proxy by mistake". | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On March 25 2015 04:39 Hider wrote: He didn't scout it intentionally though. When the CC got started, the Reaper was pushed down so it scouted the Spine. Unlucky for Marineking as that probably destroyed his career. And I do agree that if he was smart, he probably would still have reacted and send his Reapers down to attack it (because you can't really fake it), but I think most will agree that Marineking has never been the most logical player, and to be fair to him, he had to make this decision pretty quickly. He moves his reaper intentionally though, you can see the blue dot of the move command. edit : I'll also link my post on this game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/481231-spl-cj-vs-mvp-round-2-2015?page=17#339 | ||
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Hider
Denmark9342 Posts
On March 25 2015 04:55 OtherWorld wrote: He moves his reaper intentionally though, you can see the blue dot of the move command. Yeh I rewatched it, and wasn't sure if it was intentional or not. Guess he moved it to make space for the CC, but then immediately repositioned them once he realized they were in vision range of the Spine. | ||
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KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
On March 25 2015 04:52 Bacillus wrote: Just curious, is the replay first person view precise enough that you can conclude whether he visually camera checked the dot on the minimap? The chances are he actually instinctively checked the crawler in his 1st person camera before deciding to ignore it. Yeah I agree with this. If ByuL isn't involved (which most people here believe) then he didn't know about the proxy before he saw the spine crawler building under the ramp. In that case, I think it's even unlikely that he didn't instinctively check with the camera what was building. | ||
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Jono7272
United Kingdom6330 Posts
On March 25 2015 04:55 OtherWorld wrote: He moves his reaper intentionally though, you can see the blue dot of the move command. That move command could be the scv, and the reaper moves due to the building. Edit: never mind, def moving the reaper. He definitely moves it away as soon as he scouts it though. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On March 25 2015 04:57 KingAlphard wrote: Yeah I agree with this. If ByuL isn't involved (which most people here believe) then he didn't know about the proxy before he saw the spine crawler building under the ramp. In that case, I think it's even unlikely that he didn't instinctively check with the camera what was building. I don't see how ByuL can even be involved. If both players were to be involved MK, knowing ByuL's cheese, would have just CC first'd and died. | ||
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KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
On March 25 2015 04:59 OtherWorld wrote: I don't see how ByuL can even be involved. If both players were to be involved MK, knowing ByuL's cheese, would have just CC first'd and died. I know. Marineking wouldn't have scv scouted in the first place. I was just keeping all the hypothesis in consideration. My sentence could be reworded as: because we can assume that ByuL isn't involved, then it is likely that the replay contains evidence against MarineKing if he's guilty. | ||
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Andre
Slovenia3515 Posts
It happens to pros too. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On March 25 2015 05:01 Andre wrote: Just being devil's advocate here, but anyone remember that match in BW when Jaedong had like 100units stuck on his ramp? He could see it on the minimap, I assume he moved his camera over it multiple times as it was near his expo. Yet he still had like 100 units stuck for 1-3 minutes or something. Biggest newbie mistake ever. It happens to pros too. We can point tons of games, probably in both BW and SC2, where pro players make really bad mistakes. This one gets particular exposure because of the cancelled bets (I mean no one yelled match fixing just after the game happened). | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24578 Posts
One, if anyone can fuck up enough to miss a spine on the minimap it's MK. Two, if he was throwing vs proxy hatch, why didn't he go cc first? It's a sure way to lose. I just think it's too dumb to be cheating | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On March 25 2015 05:03 Heartland wrote: Two things: One, if anyone can fuck up enough to miss a spine on the minimap it's MK. Two, if he was throwing vs proxy hatch, why didn't he go cc first? It's a sure way to lose. I just think it's too dumb to be cheating He'd have to know that it was proxy hatch to go CC first. | ||
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ArtanisSC2
Germany14 Posts
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Jono7272
United Kingdom6330 Posts
On March 25 2015 05:03 Heartland wrote: Two things: One, if anyone can fuck up enough to miss a spine on the minimap it's MK. Two, if he was throwing vs proxy hatch, why didn't he go cc first? It's a sure way to lose. I just think it's too dumb to be cheating Say he is purposefully throwing, he doesn't necessarily need to know what Byul is doing beforehand. So doesn't need to CC first to be throwing. I'm not sure it's possible to react that badly to scouting 1 base gas pool for that experienced a Terran playing at that level. The pressure of being paid / pressured into throwing could have got to him, causing such a fucking retarded way of throwing the game. Panicking when accidentally scouting the incoming all in etc. Either that or it's just MKP doing what he does sometimes and playing fucking stupid, genuinely not checking what the dot on the minimap is and keeping his eyes/view on his CC / SCVs etc so he didn't see the creep or spine til it was too late.. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On March 25 2015 05:03 Heartland wrote: Two things: One, if anyone can fuck up enough to miss a spine on the minimap it's MK. Two, if he was throwing vs proxy hatch, why didn't he go cc first? It's a sure way to lose. I just think it's too dumb to be cheating This argument is ridiculous. "it is too dumb to be cheating" So if it looks like it could be fixed we now use this as proof that it wasn't fixed? How exactly does this logic work? | ||
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Zidane
United States1684 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15868 Posts
On March 25 2015 05:05 OtherWorld wrote: He'd have to know that it was proxy hatch to go CC first. Still; if you want to intentionally throw a game, will you do the safe build or the risky one? just do the greediest build possible and hope your opponent punishes it. in marinekings case it wouldn't have been suspicious at all | ||
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