On March 10 2015 00:48 Circumstance wrote: I think I said that this when the GOM stream quality thing first became a topic of discussion, but it's worth repeating now: Every time the SC2 community loses some small convenience, they go out of their way, practically bend over backwards, to demonstrate why they didn't deserve it. And between attacking DH for daring to experiment with their lineup while not decreasing its support of SC2 in any way and bashing completely separate games because of its perceived (and ONLY perceived) threat posed to SC2's involvement, the community has proven that statement right once again. (And that's on the more level-headed website. I can only imagine what Reddit's saying at this point.)
You think other communities would react any other way in the situation sc2 is in ? It's not the SC2 community, it's human people. Just look at social politics or anything in life, if you take away something they had before, people will complain.
On March 10 2015 00:48 Circumstance wrote: I think I said that this when the GOM stream quality thing first became a topic of discussion, but it's worth repeating now: Every time the SC2 community loses some small convenience, they go out of their way, practically bend over backwards, to demonstrate why they didn't deserve it. And between attacking DH for daring to experiment with their lineup while not decreasing its support of SC2 in any way and bashing completely separate games because of its perceived (and ONLY perceived) threat posed to SC2's involvement, the community has proven that statement right once again. (And that's on the more level-headed website. I can only imagine what Reddit's saying at this point.)
You think other communities would react any other way in the situation sc2 is in ? It's not the SC2 community, it's human people. Just look at social politics or anything in life, if you take away something they had before, people will complain.
Well even if it's human nature it's not a reason to react stupidly without thinking. DH is not taking anything away from us, or more precisely they are, but gave something to balance it out.
On March 10 2015 00:50 trada wrote: well, if I was a dreamhack executive and had to choose between holding a tourney for a game that gives me lets say $5000 profit or a game that gives me $20000 profit I would choose the $20000 everytime. its probably a pure business decision that in some way relates to money. cant blame them really
The smarter business man figures out how to get both working and make $25000 though
On March 10 2015 00:48 Circumstance wrote: I think I said that this when the GOM stream quality thing first became a topic of discussion, but it's worth repeating now: Every time the SC2 community loses some small convenience, they go out of their way, practically bend over backwards, to demonstrate why they didn't deserve it. And between attacking DH for daring to experiment with their lineup while not decreasing its support of SC2 in any way and bashing completely separate games because of its perceived (and ONLY perceived) threat posed to SC2's involvement, the community has proven that statement right once again. (And that's on the more level-headed website. I can only imagine what Reddit's saying at this point.)
You think other communities would react any other way in the situation sc2 is in ? It's not the SC2 community, it's human people. Just look at social politics or anything in life, if you take away something they had before, people will complain.
actually if you give stuff to other people, some are going to complain too.
There is still more sc2 going on than I can watch, so I'm not too sad. I still hope we'll see sc2 at other DHs. Although DH did not improve anything in years and has fallen behind IEM, I still enjoy the events a lot.
SC2 staff is killing the game for a long time. The last exemple relies on the latest ladder changes that were made and affected nothing, made by Mr. Psione and his staff.
Blizzard will have to make their best not to kill SC2 with the releasing of Legacy of the Void. Reschedule the releasing date but don't kill the game as HOTS already is.
Incompetence by the game staff led to it. It just didnt die yet because of the great progamers and because of the passionate community that is watching over the game. Also the casters are awesome.
I think Day(9), as always, got to see what we are going through today with his crystal ball and left by the front door last year. He must be laughing now about how Blizzard let this happen. Will didnt they replace David Kim by Day(9)?
On March 10 2015 00:48 Circumstance wrote: I think I said that this when the GOM stream quality thing first became a topic of discussion, but it's worth repeating now: Every time the SC2 community loses some small convenience, they go out of their way, practically bend over backwards, to demonstrate why they didn't deserve it. And between attacking DH for daring to experiment with their lineup while not decreasing its support of SC2 in any way and bashing completely separate games because of its perceived (and ONLY perceived) threat posed to SC2's involvement, the community has proven that statement right once again. (And that's on the more level-headed website. I can only imagine what Reddit's saying at this point.)
You think other communities would react any other way in the situation sc2 is in ? It's not the SC2 community, it's human people. Just look at social politics or anything in life, if you take away something they had before, people will complain.
Well even if it's human nature it's not a reason to react stupidly without thinking. DH is not taking anything away from us, or more precisely they are, but gave something to balance it out.
Doesn't matter for public opinion. People overreact, they get scared, that's what they do. I think most people understand that in the end, it's not a big deal, but you're gonna see venting and rage at least the first few days. One thing you can say is that the SC2 community is not confident enough in the state of their game to support them forward. Other esport games communities sure don't or have a lot less concerns about that.
I feel bad, the Romanian scene is pretty big and it must have been sweet for those guys to have the Dreamhack show hitting town with all the Korean and foreign scene talent that came with it.
I hope this isn't a trend that continues. Live events are important, grass roots are also important and they all feed into the scene at the top level.
I don't feel personally affronted by this, I just won't watch. I don't care about other eSport titles or follow them at all so I'll just do something else/watch many of the other SC content out there. However long term we're kidding ourselves if we think that the scene can grow at all with fewer and fewer live events that fans and players alike can attend.
On March 10 2015 00:48 Circumstance wrote: I think I said that this when the GOM stream quality thing first became a topic of discussion, but it's worth repeating now: Every time the SC2 community loses some small convenience, they go out of their way, practically bend over backwards, to demonstrate why they didn't deserve it. And between attacking DH for daring to experiment with their lineup while not decreasing its support of SC2 in any way and bashing completely separate games because of its perceived (and ONLY perceived) threat posed to SC2's involvement, the community has proven that statement right once again. (And that's on the more level-headed website. I can only imagine what Reddit's saying at this point.)
You think other communities would react any other way in the situation sc2 is in ? It's not the SC2 community, it's human people. Just look at social politics or anything in life, if you take away something they had before, people will complain.
Well even if it's human nature it's not a reason to react stupidly without thinking. DH is not taking anything away from us, or more precisely they are, but gave something to balance it out.
Doesn't matter for public opinion. People overreact, they get scared, that's what they do. I think most people understand that in the end, it's not a big deal, but you're gonna see venting and rage at least the first few days. One thing you can say is that the SC2 community is not confident enough in the state of their game to support them forward. Other esport games communities sure don't or have a lot less concerns about that.
Ah yes, for sure this kind of reactions has to be expected. I thought you were saying that complaining about it was somehow the "good" reaction
I'd be interested in how they are going to make Minecraft a competitive spectacle - if it will be competitive. If it was speed building a working ALU or something it'd be awesome (it won't be that, of course). Chances are it'll be the console version and not the PC one - I wonder if it has a competitive PvP mod now.
Really sad to see a lack of Starcraft, but perhaps (or surely) they'll be hosting LotV tourneys in the future?
On March 10 2015 00:50 trada wrote: well, if I was a dreamhack executive and had to choose between holding a tourney for a game that gives me lets say $5000 profit or a game that gives me $20000 profit I would choose the $20000 everytime. its probably a pure business decision that in some way relates to money. cant blame them really
The smarter business man figures out how to get both working and make $25000 though
That's assuming the cost of operating is fixed and unchanged after adding an additional game. The additional employees / overhead costs probably had a lot of influence.
Adebisi talked about this on Unfiltered ages ago. DH are focusing their events based on local game support. More CS and Dota in the east, more LoL and SC2 in the west (iirc).
On March 10 2015 00:48 Circumstance wrote: I think I said that this when the GOM stream quality thing first became a topic of discussion, but it's worth repeating now: Every time the SC2 community loses some small convenience, they go out of their way, practically bend over backwards, to demonstrate why they didn't deserve it. And between attacking DH for daring to experiment with their lineup while not decreasing its support of SC2 in any way and bashing completely separate games because of its perceived (and ONLY perceived) threat posed to SC2's involvement, the community has proven that statement right once again. (And that's on the more level-headed website. I can only imagine what Reddit's saying at this point.)
"while not decreasing its support of SC2" Sc2 was at Bucharest last year. I remember, one of my favorite players won. It is no longer there now. That's a decrease yeah?
On March 10 2015 00:48 Circumstance wrote: I think I said that this when the GOM stream quality thing first became a topic of discussion, but it's worth repeating now: Every time the SC2 community loses some small convenience, they go out of their way, practically bend over backwards, to demonstrate why they didn't deserve it. And between attacking DH for daring to experiment with their lineup while not decreasing its support of SC2 in any way and bashing completely separate games because of its perceived (and ONLY perceived) threat posed to SC2's involvement, the community has proven that statement right once again. (And that's on the more level-headed website. I can only imagine what Reddit's saying at this point.)
"while not decreasing its support of SC2" Sc2 was at Bucharest last year. I remember, one of my favorite players won. It is no longer there now. That's a decrease yeah?
But they added DH:France this year. +1 - 1 = 0, back to the original state, that is, not decreasing the support to SC2.
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