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Table of Contents

This is R2

House of Cards

The Dynamic Duo

Here We Go Again



It's funny how accustomed we grow to watching Proleague every week. In the two-and-spare week break between the Round 1 Finals and this article, Starcraft has certain seemed a little emptier. Fortunately, our craving for top-level team league games will soon be sated, as Proleague returns for its second 7-week round of the season.

The break between rounds has been eventful and brought about a fair number of changes. A shortlist:
  • In one of the biggest transfers ever in Starcraft 2, Former Startale-yoe Flash Wolves ace (Z)Life has joined KT Rolster. Bolstering the traditionally weak Zerg lineup of last season's winning team, Life wants to carry KT to their second consecutive Proleague championship.
  • Overshadowed by the arrival of Life, (P)First has also joined KT Rolster. With the arrival of the aforementioned two champions giving KT's bench a lot of additional depth, (T)Miso and (P)Believe have left KT Rolster.
  • (T)Reality (of extreme late-game fame) has re-joined Samsung Galaxy after a short stint as a free agent.
  • Ragnarok, who joined CJ Entus in late January, will be eligible for play in Round 2.
  • (T)KeeN has joined Prime while (P)Daisy has joined Startale.
  • Parting is still barred from competing in Proleague. At this point, it seems unlikely that the restriction will be cut short, which leaves ST-yoe without a reliable ace.
  • KTV Foxtrot Labs has been replaced by Vaani Research Station, while Catallena has been replaced by Expedition Lost. Somewhat surprisingly, Overgrowth remains in the map pool.


+ Show Spoiler [Week 1] +
[center](Wiki)2015 Proleague/Round 2/Round Robin
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Monday, Mar 02 9:30am GMT (GMT+00:00)

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MVP
vs StarTale-yoe [image loading]

(T)MarineKing < King Sejong Station LE > (Z)Leenock
(Z)Losira < Merry Go Round LE > (T)aLive
(P)HerO < Vaani Research Station > (Z)Curious
(P)YongHwa < Deadwing LE > (P)San

Ace:
Overgrowth LE

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Jin Air Green Wings
vs Samsung Galaxy KHAN
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(P)Trap < Merry Go Round LE > (P)Hurricane
(T)Maru < King Sejong Station LE > (P)Dear
(P)sOs < Overgrowth LE > (Z)Solar
(Z)Rogue < Expedition Lost > (Z)Shine

Ace:
Vaani Research Station

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Tuesday, Mar 03 9:30am GMT (GMT+00:00)

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SK Telecom T1
vs Prime
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(T)INnoVation < Deadwing LE > (P)Creator
(Z)Dark < Expedition Lost > (P)MyuNgSiK
(Z)soO < King Sejong Station LE > (T)YoDa
(T)Dream < Overgrowth LE > (T)KeeN

Ace:
Merry Go Round LE

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KT Rolster
vs CJ Entus
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(P)Zest < King Sejong Station LE > (P)herO
(T)Flash < Merry Go Round LE > (Z)ByuL
(Z)Life < Vaani Research Station > (T)Bbyong
(P)Stats < Deadwing LE > (P)Sora

Ace:
Overgrowth LE

Source: KeSPA
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+ Show Spoiler [Full Rosters] +
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KT Rolster

Head Coach : Kang Do-gyeong
Coach : Ryu Won, Kim Yun-hwan
(P)Stats
(P)First (New)
(P)Zest (Captain)
(T)Flash
(T)TY
(Z)Action
(Z)Sleep
(Z)Life (New)
(Z)PenguiN (New)

Samsung Galaxy KHAN
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Player Coach : SonG Byeong-gu
Coach : Kim Dong-geon
(P)Stork
(P)eMotion
(P)Hurricane
(P)Dear
(T)Reality (New)
(T)BrAvO
(T)Guilty
(T)Journey
(Z)Shine (Captain)
(Z)Solar
(Z)Armani

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SK Telecom T1
Head Coach : Choi Yeon-seong
Coach : Park Dae-gyeong
(P)Classic
(P)Billowy
(T)INnoVation
(T)Sorry
(T)Dream
(T)DynaMite (New)
(Z)Dark
(Z)soO

CJ Entus
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Head Coach : Park Yong-un
Coach : Kwon Suhyeon
(P)herO[jOin]
(P)Sora
(P)Hush
(P)Trust
(T)sKyHigh (Captain)
(T)Bbyong
(T)Bunny
(Z)ByuL
(Z)RagnaroK (New)

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Jin Air Green Wings

Head Coach : Cha Ji-hun
Coach : Ha Taejun
(P)Terminator (Captain)
(P)sOs
(P)Pigbaby
(P)Trap
(T)Cure
(T)Maru
(Z)Symbol
(Z)Rogue
(Z)Adios


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MVP

Head Coach : Lee Hyeong-seop
(P)YongHwa
(P)Seed
(P)HerO
(P)Panic
(T)MarineKing (Captain)
(T)Center
(T)SalvatioN
(T)Aphrodite
(T)TaeJa
(Z)Horror (New)
(Z)DeParture
(Z)Losira

Prime
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Head Coach : Park Oe-sik
Coach : Kim Jeonghwan
(P)Creator
(P)MyuNgSiK
(P)Zoun
(T)YoDa
(T)TANGTANG
(T)KeeN (New)
(Z)TerrOr
(Z)BBoongBBoong (Captain)

StarTale-yoe [image loading]
Head Coach : Lee Seon-jong
Player Coach : Choi Ji-seong
Coach : Chang Yu, Hu Yu Chiang
(P)San
(P)Daisy (New)
(P)Has
(T)Hack
(T)Bomber
(T)aLive
(T)Vanilla
(Z)Curious (Captain)
(Z)Pet
(Z)Ssemi
(Z)Leenock
(Z)Ian
(Z)Slam


Monday, Mar 02 9:30am GMT (GMT+00:00)

House of Cards


by banjoetheredskin

Round 1 featured enough aces to build a house of cards. With 13 ace matches in seven weeks of play, Proleague saw an average of almost two per week, with each team averaging over three ace matches played in the entire round. Whether it was due to a nice spectrum of experimentation on some teams (Samsung on that end) and stubbornness on others (Jin Air on that end), an anomalous quantity of upsets, overall parity between teams' top players, or most probably, a deal between KeSPA and Team Liquid to earn everyone more FPL points, we saw an inordinate number of situations arise that caused fans to pull their hair out in anticipation.

It would be unfair not to at least mention the fact that every team bar SKT suffered from consistency issues that seemed, to varying extents, inexplicable. CJ may have beaten SKT into the ground with the full strength of their three-man core, but they also got down to the wire with Samsung and Prime -- teams that, if we're being completely honest, showed an alarming inability to close out series in Round 1. Startale-yoe may have won two matches almost solely on the back of Life's double victories, but they also fell completely flat against both SKT and CJ when Life couldn't secure a win.

Depending on how one wishes to look at it, it could either be argued that most teams are approaching an equilibrium where they are all capable of beating each other, or that the format does not present enough opportunity for teams to rise above the competition through depth. If one argues the former, Prime makes a good example: despite going 0-4 in the first four weeks, they landed a surprising one-two punch in Week 5 and Week 6, defeating both KT and Jin Air (before losing to MVP in Week 7). When arguing the latter, Startale-yoe's final 5-2 record best exemplifies this. If all matches were Best of 7, it is unlikely that they would have beaten Jin Air or KT.

This isn't to take anything away from the teams that thrive in the Bo5 format. The 2nd and 3rd place teams, respectively, CJ Entus and ST-yoe exhibited perfection in the final set, both finishing 3-0. Coincidentally, they both received contributions from two different players: Bbyong and ByuL for CJ, and Life and San for ST-yoe. Life's two appearances were also probably the two most one-sided ace matches in recent memory, as he reacted perfectly to Cure's aggression and Seed's sly triple stargate phoenix play. Bbyong's game against Solar was entertaining, but his thrashing of MarineKing could only either have been painful or glorious, and nowhere in between.

Among other bops was Dark's over Maru, of all players. The SKT Zerg received his first of two ace selections against Jin Air and went on to slaughter 38 SCVs with one brilliant attack, and the rest was a foregone conclusion. However, he faltered miserably against Zest's immortal allin. More surprisingly, Zest's only other ace win in four appearances was against the drowning Solar. The KT Protoss fell twice in his most acclaimed matchup, PvP: once to YongHwa's 3gate pressure and once outplayed by Creator (while doing the same build against him for the second time that night). To diminish his success even more, a win over Solar proved to mean absolutely nothing. The Zerg, originally the de facto ace for Samsung, managed to lose all six of his matches in Round 1, including three in the ace. To make matters worse, he was even called on to play in the final set twice after not being sent out in the first four matches, further squandering his chance to redeem some confidence. Stork may have shuffled Samsung's deck thoroughly throughout the round, but he always managed to draw the wrong ace as they lost all four that went to the final set.

Per the relatively recent format changes to Proleague, the tension and building hype can be rather cramped (or extinguished altogether) by a shorter, best-of-five series. Yet 2015 is already on course to thwart that conjecture with a prolific offering of ace matches and unexpected performances.

Here is a list of the top 5 aces (based on various criteria, including but not limited to story, quality of game, and clutch factor) from Round 1:

1. (Z)Dark (T)Maru VoD

2. (P)Zest (P)Creator VoD

3. (P)YongHwa (P)Zest VoD

4. (Z)Solar (T)Bbyong VoD

5. (T)Cure (Z)Life VoD

The Dynamic Duo and Their Challengers


by destructicon

Round 1 of Proleague was full of surprises and upsets, and while we have come to expect such things in the first weeks of a new season, some results were so extreme that they fell well outside the bell curve.

First (and perhaps foremost) we have the underperformance of the ace players. Apart from INnoVation, who went on an absolute tear last round, most of the star players on each team dropped the ball in one way or another, whether it was through losses in key ace matches or all-around average performances in regular games. However, none of them were as extreme as the joint meltdown of Flash and Solar. A fairly recent IEM champion, Flash has been a regular fixture on KT since forever, and despite mainly middling results in individual leagues he has always been dependable in Proleague. Solar was a young rising star, winner of a Dreamhack and the face of Samsung's new generation. Therefore, seeing them go a combined 1-12 was mind blowing. I'll give it a moment and let that sink in. 1-12. One and twelve! A win rate in games just below 8%. With his 6 losses (3 of them in ace matches), Solar became the first player ever to score negatively in FPL after a full round's worth of play. A stark and embarrassing contrast to his performance last season.

Their losses can't be attributed to racial weakness, either. Both players they managed to lose against all races, and it can't be attributed to an unusually high level of competition since they both had games where they put themselves in positions from which they could and should have won. While it's great for Solar that he had a great GSL performance, holding the dubious honor of being the only player in Proleague history to be worth negative points at the end of a round must sting in almost equal measure. Flash's situation might be been worse as he failed to make it in both GSL and NSSL, only slightly offset by his one win against BboongBboong.

However, this round wasn't all doom and gloom, and pleasant surprises sprung up from the most unlikely of places. This round we saw no few than a combined 10 rookies deployed by the 8 teams across a total of 17 games, of which 7 of them won at least a game. Now given that in general these 1 or 2 point B teamers merely serve as fillers or, more likely than not, cannon fodder for the better players, their performance was well above average. And apart from Salvation's kill of TerrOr, there weren't any free wins. We had Pet kill HerO, Sorry defeat BravO and saw Journey defeat MarineKing. The most impressive and noteworthy wins were, from TerrOr, who finally broke his incredible streak of losses by defeating ByuL and Guilty, who played a marvelous TvT against TY by defeating him at his own game.

While we may attribute Solar and Flash's meltdowns and the rise of the rookies to many factors, perhaps the most natural of them that we should look to is just the natural passing of the torch. All players, no matter how good, eventually decline and fade away, eventually replaced by the next generation of players. With the notorious difficulty of making a name for yourself in individual leagues, Proleague has become a breath of fresh air and the stepping stone for the next generation. Whether or not Solar and Flash will bounce back may not be much of a question -- they are still far too good not to -- but will they withstand the natural order?

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Writers: Zealously, banjoetheredskin, destructicon
Graphics: shiroiusagi
Photo Credit: Thedailydot
Editor(s): Zealously
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SetGuitarsToKill
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Canada28396 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-01 20:45:52
March 01 2015 20:42 GMT
#2
Great job guys!
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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
March 01 2015 20:53 GMT
#3
Yay so glad PL is back!
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
tjtombo
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States295 Posts
March 01 2015 20:55 GMT
#4
Round 2 hype!!! Go Jin Air!
Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
March 01 2015 20:56 GMT
#5
Time for SKT to dominate. 7-0.
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Liliputin
Profile Joined January 2012
Czech Republic458 Posts
March 01 2015 20:57 GMT
#6
Prime will make it to this round playoffs, mark my words!
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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
March 01 2015 20:57 GMT
#7
On March 02 2015 05:56 The_Templar wrote:
Time for SKT to dominate. 7-0.

While I agree, who are you and what have you done with Templar?
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
March 01 2015 20:58 GMT
#8
On March 02 2015 05:57 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 05:56 The_Templar wrote:
Time for SKT to dominate. 7-0.

While I agree, who are you and what have you done with Templar?

I like to cheer for completely contrasting results sometimes so I'm always satisfied with what happens.
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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
March 01 2015 21:03 GMT
#9
On March 02 2015 05:58 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 05:57 GumBa wrote:
On March 02 2015 05:56 The_Templar wrote:
Time for SKT to dominate. 7-0.

While I agree, who are you and what have you done with Templar?

I like to cheer for completely contrasting results sometimes so I'm always satisfied with what happens.

You are an Enigma to me sometimes Temp
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
March 01 2015 21:09 GMT
#10
Why no PartinG ?
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
March 01 2015 21:10 GMT
#11
On March 02 2015 05:56 The_Templar wrote:
Time for SKT to dominate. 7-0.

That could only happen without the S.
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Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
March 01 2015 21:14 GMT
#12
On March 02 2015 06:10 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 05:56 The_Templar wrote:
Time for SKT to dominate. 7-0.

That could only happen without the S.

KT will also do pretty well with Life playing, I agree with that. Should be a 3 horse race since Jin Air is pretty strong as well.
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banjoetheredskin
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States744 Posts
March 01 2015 21:14 GMT
#13
On March 02 2015 06:09 Serimek wrote:
Why no PartinG ?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/471157-parting-unable-to-play-in-2015-proleague
Writer#1 CJ fan | http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/508947-wcs-dreamhack-austin-interviews
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
March 01 2015 21:17 GMT
#14
On March 02 2015 06:14 banjoetheredskin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 06:09 Serimek wrote:
Why no PartinG ?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/471157-parting-unable-to-play-in-2015-proleague


Thank you very much, I wasn't aware at all about this 5-years rule.
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Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
March 01 2015 21:20 GMT
#15
StarTale and Jin Air gogo !
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
March 01 2015 21:20 GMT
#16
Samsung back this round
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
March 01 2015 21:21 GMT
#17
No match of the week preview? I'm on it.

KT vs CJ

gon b gud
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
March 01 2015 21:23 GMT
#18
On March 02 2015 06:14 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 06:10 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 02 2015 05:56 The_Templar wrote:
Time for SKT to dominate. 7-0.

That could only happen without the S.

KT will also do pretty well with Life playing, I agree with that. Should be a 3 horse race since Jin Air is pretty strong as well.

CJ being forgotten )':
CJ wrecks any of the top team anytime. ByuL recovered his ZvZ and herO his PvP. Now we only need Bbyong to show better TvT and we're ready for CJ vs KT grand finals.
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
March 01 2015 21:24 GMT
#19
On March 02 2015 06:23 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 06:14 The_Templar wrote:
On March 02 2015 06:10 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 02 2015 05:56 The_Templar wrote:
Time for SKT to dominate. 7-0.

That could only happen without the S.

KT will also do pretty well with Life playing, I agree with that. Should be a 3 horse race since Jin Air is pretty strong as well.

CJ being forgotten )':
CJ wrecks any of the top team anytime. ByuL recovered his ZvZ and herO his PvP. Now we only need Bbyong to show better TvT and we're ready for CJ vs KT grand finals.

I can't really explain why but CJ seems really fragile this round. I think they will underperform and rotate a lot, similarly to Samsung last round.
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WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3414 Posts
March 01 2015 21:28 GMT
#20
On March 02 2015 06:24 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 06:23 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 02 2015 06:14 The_Templar wrote:
On March 02 2015 06:10 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 02 2015 05:56 The_Templar wrote:
Time for SKT to dominate. 7-0.

That could only happen without the S.

KT will also do pretty well with Life playing, I agree with that. Should be a 3 horse race since Jin Air is pretty strong as well.

CJ being forgotten )':
CJ wrecks any of the top team anytime. ByuL recovered his ZvZ and herO his PvP. Now we only need Bbyong to show better TvT and we're ready for CJ vs KT grand finals.

I can't really explain why but CJ seems really fragile this round. I think they will underperform and rotate a lot, similarly to Samsung last round.


blasphemy! CJ will play well as Sora returns in week 1 for his trademark PvP! Perhaps Coach Park told him it s WCG again!

Seriously though, I think CJ will make it to the play-offs but beyond that it s hard to tell although I will cheer for them regardless as always.
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
March 01 2015 21:38 GMT
#21
On March 02 2015 06:24 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 06:23 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 02 2015 06:14 The_Templar wrote:
On March 02 2015 06:10 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 02 2015 05:56 The_Templar wrote:
Time for SKT to dominate. 7-0.

That could only happen without the S.

KT will also do pretty well with Life playing, I agree with that. Should be a 3 horse race since Jin Air is pretty strong as well.

CJ being forgotten )':
CJ wrecks any of the top team anytime. ByuL recovered his ZvZ and herO his PvP. Now we only need Bbyong to show better TvT and we're ready for CJ vs KT grand finals.

I can't really explain why but CJ seems really fragile this round. I think they will underperform and rotate a lot, similarly to Samsung last round.


I don't think it's CJ. It's just that KT got significant boost that bumps CJ down to #4.

CJ is still competitive with the top 3 and firmly ahead of the bottom 4.
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
March 01 2015 21:39 GMT
#22
On March 02 2015 06:17 Serimek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 06:14 banjoetheredskin wrote:
On March 02 2015 06:09 Serimek wrote:
Why no PartinG ?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/471157-parting-unable-to-play-in-2015-proleague


Thank you very much, I wasn't aware at all about this 5-years rule.


Neither was anyone else before it was brought up in order to bar Parting from competing in Proleague. It's a peculiar rule to say the least, although I understand the purpose it's supposed to serve.
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DSK
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
England1110 Posts
March 01 2015 21:55 GMT
#23
Good read, looking forward to the next couple of SPL streams.
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Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-01 22:59:07
March 01 2015 22:08 GMT
#24
Good read!

I'm really interested in seeing how SKT does this round. Dream and soO look great, and Innovation and Dark already looked great. I feel like this TTZZ lineup will be the most common, with Classic hopping in every so often. Also, I think it's safe to say that KT will be performing better this round. So the top 3 look pretty even to me, with JAGW slightly below the other two.
hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-02 03:06:22
March 01 2015 23:33 GMT
#25
It's okay, my fellow CJ Brothers OtherWorld and WGT-Baal.

Let these nay-sayers be.

In the end, our faith in our Hero, which is Coach Park, will smite these goddamn fools!

Never forget our victory against SKT, when everyone thought SKT was going to demolish CJ!

Never forget how we once struggled last year but came back as strong contenders for the playoffs!

Never forget that Coach Park only needs a handful of faithful believers to fuel his miracle powers!

Believe, my friends! BELIEVE!!!

EDIT: Replaced Savior with Hero because yeah....
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banjoetheredskin
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States744 Posts
March 01 2015 23:58 GMT
#26
On March 02 2015 08:33 hansonslee wrote:
It's okay, my fellow CJ Brothers OtherWorld and WGT-Baal.

Let these nay-sayers be.

In the end, our faith in our Savior, which is Coach Park, will smite these goddamn fools!

be careful about using Savior and CJ in the post :/
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AWalker9
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United Kingdom7229 Posts
March 02 2015 00:08 GMT
#27
On March 02 2015 08:58 banjoetheredskin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 08:33 hansonslee wrote:
It's okay, my fellow CJ Brothers OtherWorld and WGT-Baal.

Let these nay-sayers be.

In the end, our faith in our Savior, which is Coach Park, will smite these goddamn fools!

be careful about using Savior and CJ in the post :/

Using herO might have been a better choice of words
soOjwa has returned to smite all that stand in his way
banjoetheredskin
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States744 Posts
March 02 2015 00:11 GMT
#28
On March 02 2015 09:08 AWalker9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 08:58 banjoetheredskin wrote:
On March 02 2015 08:33 hansonslee wrote:
It's okay, my fellow CJ Brothers OtherWorld and WGT-Baal.

Let these nay-sayers be.

In the end, our faith in our Savior, which is Coach Park, will smite these goddamn fools!

be careful about using Savior and CJ in the post :/

Using herO might have been a better choice of words

herO is always a better choice
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AWalker9
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United Kingdom7229 Posts
March 02 2015 00:12 GMT
#29
On March 02 2015 09:11 banjoetheredskin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 09:08 AWalker9 wrote:
On March 02 2015 08:58 banjoetheredskin wrote:
On March 02 2015 08:33 hansonslee wrote:
It's okay, my fellow CJ Brothers OtherWorld and WGT-Baal.

Let these nay-sayers be.

In the end, our faith in our Savior, which is Coach Park, will smite these goddamn fools!

be careful about using Savior and CJ in the post :/

Using herO might have been a better choice of words

herO is always a better choice

There can be truly no better choice than herO though
soOjwa has returned to smite all that stand in his way
hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
March 02 2015 03:03 GMT
#30
On March 02 2015 09:11 banjoetheredskin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 09:08 AWalker9 wrote:
On March 02 2015 08:58 banjoetheredskin wrote:
On March 02 2015 08:33 hansonslee wrote:
It's okay, my fellow CJ Brothers OtherWorld and WGT-Baal.

Let these nay-sayers be.

In the end, our faith in our Savior, which is Coach Park, will smite these goddamn fools!

be careful about using Savior and CJ in the post :/

Using herO might have been a better choice of words

herO is always a better choice


Touche, brother.

Usually, religious texts capitalize words such as Lord and Savior, so it was completely unintentional...
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 02 2015 03:09 GMT
#31
Hype for Startale last place!
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
March 02 2015 03:30 GMT
#32
On March 02 2015 12:09 Shellshock wrote:
Hype for Startale last place!

Indeed, hype. Prime will get 4th place and everyone will be stunned except Lorning.
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munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
March 02 2015 03:37 GMT
#33
On March 02 2015 12:30 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 12:09 Shellshock wrote:
Hype for Startale last place!

Indeed, hype. Prime will get 4th place and everyone will be stunned except Lorning.


Lorning will be stunned they didn't get 1st
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
March 02 2015 03:38 GMT
#34
On March 02 2015 12:37 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 12:30 The_Templar wrote:
On March 02 2015 12:09 Shellshock wrote:
Hype for Startale last place!

Indeed, hype. Prime will get 4th place and everyone will be stunned except Lorning.


Lorning will be stunned they didn't get 1st

Even Lorning's more realistic than that. They'll fight their way into the playoffs and narrowly defeat everyone to win the round though.
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SnowStormer
Profile Joined July 2012
Norway275 Posts
March 02 2015 04:16 GMT
#35
On March 02 2015 06:28 WGT-Baal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 06:24 The_Templar wrote:
On March 02 2015 06:23 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 02 2015 06:14 The_Templar wrote:
On March 02 2015 06:10 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 02 2015 05:56 The_Templar wrote:
Time for SKT to dominate. 7-0.

That could only happen without the S.

KT will also do pretty well with Life playing, I agree with that. Should be a 3 horse race since Jin Air is pretty strong as well.

CJ being forgotten )':
CJ wrecks any of the top team anytime. ByuL recovered his ZvZ and herO his PvP. Now we only need Bbyong to show better TvT and we're ready for CJ vs KT grand finals.

I can't really explain why but CJ seems really fragile this round. I think they will underperform and rotate a lot, similarly to Samsung last round.


blasphemy! CJ will play well as Sora returns in week 1 for his trademark PvP! Perhaps Coach Park told him it s WCG again!

Seriously though, I think CJ will make it to the play-offs but beyond that it s hard to tell although I will cheer for them regardless as always.


CJ Entus hasn't been in top 3 position at the end of the round robins since Round 1 proleague 2014. The only team that has been equally consistent is JAGW, which has always made the play offs.

Compare that to the telecom teams and furthermore to the general hype/expections on the forums it becomes pretty clear that the telecom teams aren't as good as everyone makes them out to be.
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Adept
Profile Joined December 2009
United States472 Posts
March 02 2015 04:37 GMT
#36
Proleague hype! :D Can't wait to see how the games go this time around, should be interesting to see Life playing with KT too.
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Kovaz
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada233 Posts
March 02 2015 06:20 GMT
#37
Can someone explain the difference between PartinG's transfer from SKT to ST-yoe, and Life's transfer from ST-yoe to KT? Why is Life allowed to switch teams and keep playing but PartinG isn't?
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5596 Posts
March 02 2015 06:25 GMT
#38
On March 02 2015 15:20 Kovaz wrote:
Can someone explain the difference between PartinG's transfer from SKT to ST-yoe, and Life's transfer from ST-yoe to KT? Why is Life allowed to switch teams and keep playing but PartinG isn't?

Life's contract expired, Parting's did not.
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Kovaz
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada233 Posts
March 02 2015 06:26 GMT
#39
On March 02 2015 15:25 rotta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 15:20 Kovaz wrote:
Can someone explain the difference between PartinG's transfer from SKT to ST-yoe, and Life's transfer from ST-yoe to KT? Why is Life allowed to switch teams and keep playing but PartinG isn't?

Life's contract expired, Parting's did not.


Ah, so does PartinG just have to wait for when his contract would have expired then?
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5596 Posts
March 02 2015 06:27 GMT
#40
On March 02 2015 15:26 Kovaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 15:25 rotta wrote:
On March 02 2015 15:20 Kovaz wrote:
Can someone explain the difference between PartinG's transfer from SKT to ST-yoe, and Life's transfer from ST-yoe to KT? Why is Life allowed to switch teams and keep playing but PartinG isn't?

Life's contract expired, Parting's did not.


Ah, so does PartinG just have to wait for when his contract would have expired then?

Either that or SKT decides to free him...
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
March 02 2015 06:52 GMT
#41
On March 02 2015 15:25 rotta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 15:20 Kovaz wrote:
Can someone explain the difference between PartinG's transfer from SKT to ST-yoe, and Life's transfer from ST-yoe to KT? Why is Life allowed to switch teams and keep playing but PartinG isn't?

Life's contract expired, Parting's did not.

That's the commonly accepted answer, but afaik even if he had broke his contract, StarTale isn't a KeSPA team and thus the rule wouldn't have applied?
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rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5596 Posts
March 02 2015 07:13 GMT
#42
On March 02 2015 15:52 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 15:25 rotta wrote:
On March 02 2015 15:20 Kovaz wrote:
Can someone explain the difference between PartinG's transfer from SKT to ST-yoe, and Life's transfer from ST-yoe to KT? Why is Life allowed to switch teams and keep playing but PartinG isn't?

Life's contract expired, Parting's did not.

That's the commonly accepted answer, but afaik even if he had broke his contract, StarTale isn't a KeSPA team and thus the rule wouldn't have applied?

Does it really matter if ST is Kespa or not, if Parting can only play for SKT in SPL?
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
March 02 2015 07:16 GMT
#43
I really hope someone makes a thread for tonight. I'm going to bed and want to see one in the morning.
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
March 02 2015 07:17 GMT
#44
On March 02 2015 16:13 rotta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 15:52 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 02 2015 15:25 rotta wrote:
On March 02 2015 15:20 Kovaz wrote:
Can someone explain the difference between PartinG's transfer from SKT to ST-yoe, and Life's transfer from ST-yoe to KT? Why is Life allowed to switch teams and keep playing but PartinG isn't?

Life's contract expired, Parting's did not.

That's the commonly accepted answer, but afaik even if he had broke his contract, StarTale isn't a KeSPA team and thus the rule wouldn't have applied?

Does it really matter if ST is Kespa or not, if Parting can only play for SKT in SPL?

Hmm true.
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Twine
Profile Joined June 2012
France246 Posts
March 02 2015 07:25 GMT
#45
With Life, KT seems pretty unstoppable now.
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SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5450 Posts
March 02 2015 07:56 GMT
#46
On March 02 2015 16:13 rotta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 15:52 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 02 2015 15:25 rotta wrote:
On March 02 2015 15:20 Kovaz wrote:
Can someone explain the difference between PartinG's transfer from SKT to ST-yoe, and Life's transfer from ST-yoe to KT? Why is Life allowed to switch teams and keep playing but PartinG isn't?

Life's contract expired, Parting's did not.

That's the commonly accepted answer, but afaik even if he had broke his contract, StarTale isn't a KeSPA team and thus the rule wouldn't have applied?

Does it really matter if ST is Kespa or not, if Parting can only play for SKT in SPL?


Life's rights were transferred from ST to KT, "legally", probably for a good chunk of money.

Parting left SKT and joined another team who then joined proleague. If Yoe played a transfer fee to SKT I'm sure they could buy his rights and he could play for them.
Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2216 Posts
March 02 2015 08:24 GMT
#47
PL best competition!
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grogburg
Profile Blog Joined December 2014
United States329 Posts
March 02 2015 14:35 GMT
#48
How much IS this transfer fee, anyhow? Is it on the order of something a #FreeParting Kickstarter (or whatever) could tackle? Or is the bail for KeSPA jail set so high as to prevent any escape?
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
March 02 2015 15:17 GMT
#49
On March 02 2015 16:56 SoleSteeler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 16:13 rotta wrote:
On March 02 2015 15:52 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 02 2015 15:25 rotta wrote:
On March 02 2015 15:20 Kovaz wrote:
Can someone explain the difference between PartinG's transfer from SKT to ST-yoe, and Life's transfer from ST-yoe to KT? Why is Life allowed to switch teams and keep playing but PartinG isn't?

Life's contract expired, Parting's did not.

That's the commonly accepted answer, but afaik even if he had broke his contract, StarTale isn't a KeSPA team and thus the rule wouldn't have applied?

Does it really matter if ST is Kespa or not, if Parting can only play for SKT in SPL?


Life's rights were transferred from ST to KT, "legally", probably for a good chunk of money.

Parting left SKT and joined another team who then joined proleague. If Yoe played a transfer fee to SKT I'm sure they could buy his rights and he could play for them.


Are you sure? I was under the impression his contract with StarTale simply expired and that he moved on to signing a contract with KT, no strings attached.
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Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
March 02 2015 17:52 GMT
#50
Awesome games today :D
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fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
March 02 2015 22:00 GMT
#51
On March 02 2015 06:14 banjoetheredskin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 06:09 Serimek wrote:
Why no PartinG ?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/471157-parting-unable-to-play-in-2015-proleague

Thanks.

This is so stupid, by the way
fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
March 02 2015 22:19 GMT
#52
Just watched Dark vs Maru VOD, that's quite a hell of a match.

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I was so sure that this game would be how Maru overcame his deficit, because at my diamond level, I would have been broken if I had to try to break Maru's 4th with all his pre split bio. It's great to see some BL action
Yakikorosu
Profile Joined March 2013
1203 Posts
March 03 2015 07:18 GMT
#53
Maybe this is already discussed elsewhere, but based on the jerseys they were wearing in the match against MVP, StarTale not only lost Life but also their primary sponsor (Red Bull)? If so I am guessing StarTale doesn't last beyond this season of SPL. Curious, aLive, Hack, Pet and Daisy is just not a team that's going to attract any big sponsors.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
March 03 2015 07:22 GMT
#54
On March 03 2015 16:18 Yakikorosu wrote:
Maybe this is already discussed elsewhere, but based on the jerseys they were wearing in the match against MVP, StarTale not only lost Life but also their primary sponsor (Red Bull)? If so I am guessing StarTale doesn't last beyond this season of SPL. Curious, aLive, Hack, Pet and Daisy is just not a team that's going to attract any big sponsors.

More importantly it looks like they lost FileKuki, which was their primary sponsor?
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Yakikorosu
Profile Joined March 2013
1203 Posts
March 03 2015 07:27 GMT
#55
On March 03 2015 16:22 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2015 16:18 Yakikorosu wrote:
Maybe this is already discussed elsewhere, but based on the jerseys they were wearing in the match against MVP, StarTale not only lost Life but also their primary sponsor (Red Bull)? If so I am guessing StarTale doesn't last beyond this season of SPL. Curious, aLive, Hack, Pet and Daisy is just not a team that's going to attract any big sponsors.

More importantly it looks like they lost FileKuki, which was their primary sponsor?


Oh yeah, those. I'm used to thinking of Red Bull as StarTale's main sponsor. Well whoever their sponsor was, their jerseys make it very plain they no longer have one!
hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
March 03 2015 18:04 GMT
#56
On March 03 2015 16:27 Yakikorosu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2015 16:22 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 03 2015 16:18 Yakikorosu wrote:
Maybe this is already discussed elsewhere, but based on the jerseys they were wearing in the match against MVP, StarTale not only lost Life but also their primary sponsor (Red Bull)? If so I am guessing StarTale doesn't last beyond this season of SPL. Curious, aLive, Hack, Pet and Daisy is just not a team that's going to attract any big sponsors.

More importantly it looks like they lost FileKuki, which was their primary sponsor?


Oh yeah, those. I'm used to thinking of Red Bull as StarTale's main sponsor. Well whoever their sponsor was, their jerseys make it very plain they no longer have one!


Afaik, Red Bull primarily sponsored Bomber and Life. Since both of them are no longer part of the team, I don't think RB sees the point of sponsoring a team without their original clients
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