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East Gorteau22261 Posts
We are happy to announce that the finals of the first season of WCS 2015 will take place in Potiers, France, during the 2015 Gamers Assembly.
The WCS will have its own standalone stage at the expo, providing a great platform for the top 16 StarCraft II players in the world to show off their skills. The three-day event will start one day ahead of the Gamers Assembly opening day with the round of 16 group stages on April the 3rd and 4th followed by a single elimination bracket featuring the best eight StarCraft 2 players and its grand finals on Sunday the 5th of April.
By attending the Gamers Assembly 2015 in April, you will receive free admission to the finals of the WCS Season 1. The standard day passes to the expo itself can be purchased at the venue for €2, while premium three day passes are available online as "Entrée visiteur - Pass 3 jours" for €10. We are already looking forward to April and hope to see you in the crowd in Poitiers when the stage is set for the WCS Season 1 finals!
Source: http://www.eslgaming.com/news/gamers-assembly-host-2015-wcs-season-1-finals
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China6329 Posts
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#JeSuisAeromi
Also, why are all events in France not in Paris ? So unpractical.
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your Country52797 Posts
This makes me wish I could go 
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On February 28 2015 02:53 LoneYoShi wrote:
#JeSuisAeromi
Also, why are all events in France not in Paris ? So unpractical.
maybe because paris is ridiculously expensive?
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>the top 16 StarCraft II players in the world to show off their skills.
WCS Premier... Top 16 in the world... Ya okay
Other than that HYPE
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Something something Aeromi.
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Did they chose France because they wanted aeromi to be happy?
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Korea is pretty small you know. Just do it like in BW add "excluding Korea" to everything 
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Charging people only 2 Euro for something in western europe will bring you net loss because of logistics, no?  It's really nice to see that the finals will be at a big event. With good location, essentially free attendance and seemingly infinite capacity (the website lists the supply of tickets as unlimited), this has a potential to be pretty huge.
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On February 28 2015 02:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
>the top 16 StarCraft II players in the world to show off their skills.
WCS Premier... Top 16 in the world... Ya okay
Other than that HYPE
Yeah, there are two regions, Korea and World.
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Inb4 all french people complain that it's not in Paris and that Poitiers is a random city in the countryside.
Nah seriously pretty cool stuff. And Aeromi can party a bit now d:
Edit : wow they'll play the entire playoff bracket in one day? That's gonna be tight.
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the gamer assembly is the last thing i expected
that's nice from ESL to bring some events here
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Germany913 Posts
Aeromi will finally rest!
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how big was the bribe, Aeromi?
probably the best place to hold the finals
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troubles a'brewin already
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Already multiple conflicts for players. This is even worse for fans. Blizzard really screwed this season. They had better be wayyyy more on top of it for season 2 or WCS is just a joke
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On February 28 2015 02:56 StarGalaxy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 02:53 LoneYoShi wrote:
#JeSuisAeromi
Also, why are all events in France not in Paris ? So unpractical. maybe because paris is ridiculously expensive?
Yes that's probably the reason. And it's a good reason. But Paris is still more practical ^^
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If Kane forfeits they should give up his spot to Naniwa. huehuehue
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On February 28 2015 02:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
>the top 16 StarCraft II players in the world to show off their skills.
WCS Premier... Top 16 in the world... Ya okay
Other than that HYPE
Yeah, top 16 GSL easily has 90 % better players than premier top 16
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French SC crowds are typically pretty sick. ie iron Squid
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well if you are a professional you gotta do stuff you know like not booking this trip. i understand his position but it's also not esl's task to please him
anyway great news that they found a cool venue! would be of course sad if kane had to forfeit
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On February 28 2015 02:56 StarGalaxy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 02:53 LoneYoShi wrote:
#JeSuisAeromi
Also, why are all events in France not in Paris ? So unpractical. maybe because paris is ridiculously expensive?
This.
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If the crowd is half as good as the one at Iron Squid, it might be one of the best WCS final period.
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Meh conflicts happen all the time. It's up to you to decide what's more important in your life at the time. Don't understand why people act so entitled about it. Reminds me of that med student who had to choose between playing and school. Grow up and deal with it.
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On February 28 2015 03:15 Dumbledore wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 02:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
>the top 16 StarCraft II players in the world to show off their skills.
WCS Premier... Top 16 in the world... Ya okay
Other than that HYPE
Yeah, top 16 GSL easily has 90 % better players than premier top 16
I mean, Premier players cannot even be considered good.
+ Show Spoiler +Am I doing this right? Seriously, I'm new to this kind of stuff.
On February 28 2015 03:07 Yorkie wrote:
Already multiple conflicts for players. This is even worse for fans. Blizzard really screwed this season. They had better be wayyyy more on top of it for season 2 or WCS is just a joke
What other conflicts are there? Only seen Kane so far
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Canada8157 Posts
Wowwww so cheap compared to fanexpo
About damn time though
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On February 28 2015 03:20 Undead1993 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +well if you are a professional you gotta do stuff you know like not booking this trip. i understand his position but it's also not esl's task to please him anyway great news that they found a cool venue! would be of course sad if kane had to forfeit
I agree. If you consider this your "job" then man up and treat it like your job. People have to make arrangements for work all of the time.
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On February 28 2015 03:20 Undead1993 wrote:well if you are professional you gotta do stuff you know like not booking this trip. i understand his position but it's also not esl's task to please him
I agree, it's not as if it's 1 week in advance.
At any regular company, as long as you take your days off +-3 weeks in advance, it's oke. (ofcourse this differs per function).
You should be aware that the S1 finals wil be around that time, so IMHO it's not that weird to schedule 4 weeks in advance.
In this particular case, whether it would be in Australia, France, Zimbabwe or Tokio, Kane would've complained about this.
I suggest you calm down and just reschedule the 'family stuff' or stop being a pro-gamer / anything with the word professional in it at all.
Grow up.
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At alot of functions, if shit hits the fan, your boss can even call you back from your holiday.
He's living in Switzerland for free, getting paid by MYI, getting travel paid by MYI, has a job where 100's, maybe 1000's people dream off.. and yet, it seems as he doesn't appreciate any of it.
There's only 3 big tournaments a YEAR. Stop whining
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On February 28 2015 03:26 pNRG wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 03:20 Undead1993 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +well if you are a professional you gotta do stuff you know like not booking this trip. i understand his position but it's also not esl's task to please him anyway great news that they found a cool venue! would be of course sad if kane had to forfeit I agree. If you consider this your "job" then man up and treat it like your job. People have to make arrangements for work all of the time.
For a global event, 1 month is still incredibly short notice. Kane has a point, the could've at least released the schedule in advance or the planned timespan. Anything to help out with scheduling.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
I shed a tear of joy for Aeromi
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On February 28 2015 03:26 pNRG wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 03:20 Undead1993 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +well if you are a professional you gotta do stuff you know like not booking this trip. i understand his position but it's also not esl's task to please him anyway great news that they found a cool venue! would be of course sad if kane had to forfeit I agree. If you consider this your "job" then man up and treat it like your job. People have to make arrangements for work all of the time.
It is sad that Blizzard is not able to announce more than 4 weeks before, but pNRG is 100 % right.
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Instead of using ESL's regular studio in Cologne and having fuck all scheduling problems...
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Do you think some of the WCS players gonna play Assembly ? I mean the losers of ro16 for instance.
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On February 28 2015 03:26 pNRG wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 03:20 Undead1993 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +well if you are a professional you gotta do stuff you know like not booking this trip. i understand his position but it's also not esl's task to please him anyway great news that they found a cool venue! would be of course sad if kane had to forfeit I agree. If you consider this your "job" then man up and treat it like your job. People have to make arrangements for work all of the time.
Go to hell wit this attitude already. This is pissing me off to no limits. So you think the players need to take it as a job, but not the WCS organisers? I don't know what kind of slavery are you subject too, but in civilized parts Europe it is considered normal that people clear their holidays with their boss months in advance and book them (almost anything is cheaper that way) and that their employers do not mess with them because of their incompetence.
Criticising players for not being "professional enough" while pardoning the absolute incompetence of ESL/Blizzard to schedule the whole thing for the whole year ahead of time is virtuosity in hypocrisy.
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On February 28 2015 03:12 Aeromi wrote:
Lol
I expected a more... elaborate reaction from you d:
Edit : and honestly some people are seriously pissing me off. Wake up, it's the foreign SC2 scene we're talking about, not some big firm employees that win 10K$/month. You can't ask from players to schedule nothing around an unknown date, because that's absurd. You can't ask from players, who for the most part receive a small salary, to be professional as in "sacrifice everything, family, friends, etc in order to play the game" (as if progamers weren't isolated enough already lmao), while not giving shit to Blizz for not releasing a fixed schedule, because THAT is unprofessional.
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On February 28 2015 03:27 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 03:26 pNRG wrote:On February 28 2015 03:20 Undead1993 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +well if you are a professional you gotta do stuff you know like not booking this trip. i understand his position but it's also not esl's task to please him anyway great news that they found a cool venue! would be of course sad if kane had to forfeit I agree. If you consider this your "job" then man up and treat it like your job. People have to make arrangements for work all of the time. For a global event, 1 month is still incredibly short notice. Kane has a point, the could've at least released the schedule in advance or the planned timespan. Anything to help out with scheduling.
Or, don't plan months in advance if your job requires you to be flexible.
f you can't be flexible, don't take such job. It's quite easy. Sounds a bit harsh, but it's true nonetheless....
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On February 28 2015 03:32 WonnaPlay wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 03:27 KeksX wrote:On February 28 2015 03:26 pNRG wrote:On February 28 2015 03:20 Undead1993 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +well if you are a professional you gotta do stuff you know like not booking this trip. i understand his position but it's also not esl's task to please him anyway great news that they found a cool venue! would be of course sad if kane had to forfeit I agree. If you consider this your "job" then man up and treat it like your job. People have to make arrangements for work all of the time. For a global event, 1 month is still incredibly short notice. Kane has a point, the could've at least released the schedule in advance or the planned timespan. Anything to help out with scheduling. Or, don't plan months in advance if your job requires you to be flexible. f you can't be flexible, don't take such job. It's quite easy. Sounds a bit harsh, but it's true nonetheless....
Uh, usually major tournaments have their schedules announced months in advance, not a month. There isn't that much flexibility involved in a pro gamer's schedule really.
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Is it me or does it seem kinda crazy to go Ro8 to Finals in one day?
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It's like somebody said, players should know that there will be a big tourney around this time of year. It's his fucking job. What a whiner.
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On February 28 2015 03:36 asongdotnet wrote:
Is it me or does it seem kinda crazy to go Ro8 to Finals in one day?
I dunno, WCS Finals is turning into a poor man's Blizzcon right now.
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Also, what the fuck is with this "job" thing anyway. Nobody is paying the players any salary. Yes, they get money for winning but that's not even remotely sustainable and even if you get to Ro16 every time and stop there, you get a measly $9000 per year (which honestly is about as much as I get paid for a real job, but I live in an incredibly cheap country for European standards and in many places you won't even rent a room for that).
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On February 28 2015 03:32 WonnaPlay wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 03:27 KeksX wrote:On February 28 2015 03:26 pNRG wrote:On February 28 2015 03:20 Undead1993 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +well if you are a professional you gotta do stuff you know like not booking this trip. i understand his position but it's also not esl's task to please him anyway great news that they found a cool venue! would be of course sad if kane had to forfeit I agree. If you consider this your "job" then man up and treat it like your job. People have to make arrangements for work all of the time. For a global event, 1 month is still incredibly short notice. Kane has a point, the could've at least released the schedule in advance or the planned timespan. Anything to help out with scheduling. Or, don't plan months in advance if your job requires you to be flexible. f you can't be flexible, don't take such job. It's quite easy. Sounds a bit harsh, but it's true nonetheless....
Sure it is, but there's still the fact that blizzards handling of the entire first season has been really bad, and players have been begging for any details for months already. If you're gonna hold Kane to that standard you sure as hell have to hold WCS organisers to that standard as well, even more so
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On February 28 2015 03:35 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 03:32 WonnaPlay wrote:On February 28 2015 03:27 KeksX wrote:On February 28 2015 03:26 pNRG wrote:On February 28 2015 03:20 Undead1993 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +well if you are a professional you gotta do stuff you know like not booking this trip. i understand his position but it's also not esl's task to please him anyway great news that they found a cool venue! would be of course sad if kane had to forfeit I agree. If you consider this your "job" then man up and treat it like your job. People have to make arrangements for work all of the time. For a global event, 1 month is still incredibly short notice. Kane has a point, the could've at least released the schedule in advance or the planned timespan. Anything to help out with scheduling. Or, don't plan months in advance if your job requires you to be flexible. f you can't be flexible, don't take such job. It's quite easy. Sounds a bit harsh, but it's true nonetheless.... Uh, usually major tournaments have their schedules announced months in advance, not a month. There isn't that much flexibility involved in a pro gamer's schedule really.
Heh, I know....
So this makes the "problem" even less of a big thing... Ofcourse, it is annoying that the schedule got released, and yeah it sucks that it eventually falls into the same period he had planned something. But it is not something to get so whiny about.
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On February 28 2015 03:38 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 03:36 asongdotnet wrote:
Is it me or does it seem kinda crazy to go Ro8 to Finals in one day? I dunno, WCS Finals is turning into a poor man's Blizzcon right now.
Since this year and only one WCS vs. SSL and GSL, Blizzard admitted without saying that WCS is more for the entertainement than the level of play, so at least a one day event with a good crowd might do the trick...
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On February 28 2015 03:41 WonnaPlay wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 03:35 Elentos wrote:On February 28 2015 03:32 WonnaPlay wrote:On February 28 2015 03:27 KeksX wrote:On February 28 2015 03:26 pNRG wrote:On February 28 2015 03:20 Undead1993 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +well if you are a professional you gotta do stuff you know like not booking this trip. i understand his position but it's also not esl's task to please him anyway great news that they found a cool venue! would be of course sad if kane had to forfeit I agree. If you consider this your "job" then man up and treat it like your job. People have to make arrangements for work all of the time. For a global event, 1 month is still incredibly short notice. Kane has a point, the could've at least released the schedule in advance or the planned timespan. Anything to help out with scheduling. Or, don't plan months in advance if your job requires you to be flexible. f you can't be flexible, don't take such job. It's quite easy. Sounds a bit harsh, but it's true nonetheless.... Uh, usually major tournaments have their schedules announced months in advance, not a month. There isn't that much flexibility involved in a pro gamer's schedule really. Heh, I know.... So this makes the "problem" even less of a big thing... Ofcourse, it is annoying that the schedule got released, and yeah it sucks that it eventually falls into the same period he had planned something. But it is not something to get so whiny about.
He has as much of a right to be "whiny" about this as any other employee that's ever been forced to cancel their vacation for more work. Seriously, it's a normal ass reaction, why do people get so offended?
On February 28 2015 03:43 Serimek wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 03:38 Elentos wrote:On February 28 2015 03:36 asongdotnet wrote:
Is it me or does it seem kinda crazy to go Ro8 to Finals in one day? I dunno, WCS Finals is turning into a poor man's Blizzcon right now. Since this year and only one WCS vs. SSL and GSL, Blizzard admitted without saying that WCS is more for the entertainement than the level of play, so at least a one day event with a good crowd might do the trick...
Maybe, but I'm not hyped about this at all tbh. GSL and SSL are both played in studios. Why wouldn't WCS be? Not to mention using a studio would have meant no scheduling issues and the dates could have been announced like last year.
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i love the high school students in this thread, who think they know anything about a real job, commenting about this situation. ESL is at this point doing worse than the MLG WCS that was season one. How the hell do you not decide on finals location until the month before? What in the flying heck have the organizers been doing for the last few months...it should have been decided well before the season even started.
BlizzCon was awful from a twitch perspective, let alone the poor souls who paid to travel to it and experienced the constant interruptions...hopefully this doesn't top it. ESL europe dropping the ball again.
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I hope they don't have to leave the expo at a certain time, as we learned group stages can take 7 hours each it might be some interesting days...
So weird that the continuous competition of WCS last year now has a >month break with nothing happening.
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On February 28 2015 03:40 Aocowns wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 03:32 WonnaPlay wrote:On February 28 2015 03:27 KeksX wrote:On February 28 2015 03:26 pNRG wrote:On February 28 2015 03:20 Undead1993 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +well if you are a professional you gotta do stuff you know like not booking this trip. i understand his position but it's also not esl's task to please him anyway great news that they found a cool venue! would be of course sad if kane had to forfeit I agree. If you consider this your "job" then man up and treat it like your job. People have to make arrangements for work all of the time. For a global event, 1 month is still incredibly short notice. Kane has a point, the could've at least released the schedule in advance or the planned timespan. Anything to help out with scheduling. Or, don't plan months in advance if your job requires you to be flexible. f you can't be flexible, don't take such job. It's quite easy. Sounds a bit harsh, but it's true nonetheless.... Sure it is, but there's still the fact that blizzards handling of the entire first season has been really bad, and players have been begging for any details for months already. If you're gonna hold Kane to that standard you sure as hell have to hold WCS organisers to that standard as well, even more so
I Agree with the fact that it's been horrible, Aeromi is at day 134 or something?
I think it is really unprofessional of Blizzard to do this so late.
However Kane is one of the "lucky few" who has a chance to freely roam the world with even earning money and doing gaming as his job. So he shouldn't be whining, yet accepting the fact that it's a possibility.
Take Rotterdam for example; If he has to travel suddenly to zimbabwe 2 days in advance to cast some sc2 between a goat and a sheep, he would do it without complaining. Same would go for most of ESL's employees.. Why? Because their job requires to be flexible and they know it.
I don't have anything Kane, but he should realize the position he's in.
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On February 28 2015 03:46 WonnaPlay wrote:
Take Rotterdam for example; If he has to travel suddenly to zimbabwe 2 days in advance to cast some sc2 between a goat and a sheep,
Please someone make that happen
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On February 28 2015 03:46 WonnaPlay wrote:
I Agree with the fact that it's been horrible, Aeromi is at day 134 or something?
I think it is really unprofessional of Blizzard to do this so late.
However Kane is one of the "lucky few" who has a chance to freely roam the world with even earning money and doing gaming as his job. So he shouldn't be whining, yet accepting the fact that it's a possibility.
Take Rotterdam for example; If he has to travel suddenly to zimbabwe 2 days in advance to cast some sc2 between a goat and a sheep, he would do it without complaining. Same would go for most of ESL's employees.. Why? Because their job requires to be flexible and they know it.
I don't have anything Kane, but he should realize the position he's in.
Today would have been Day 134
Also I would LOVE to see Rotterdam cast some goat vs sheep sc2 action. Let's get that funded please
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On February 28 2015 03:43 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 03:41 WonnaPlay wrote:On February 28 2015 03:35 Elentos wrote:On February 28 2015 03:32 WonnaPlay wrote:On February 28 2015 03:27 KeksX wrote:On February 28 2015 03:26 pNRG wrote:On February 28 2015 03:20 Undead1993 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +well if you are a professional you gotta do stuff you know like not booking this trip. i understand his position but it's also not esl's task to please him anyway great news that they found a cool venue! would be of course sad if kane had to forfeit I agree. If you consider this your "job" then man up and treat it like your job. People have to make arrangements for work all of the time. For a global event, 1 month is still incredibly short notice. Kane has a point, the could've at least released the schedule in advance or the planned timespan. Anything to help out with scheduling. Or, don't plan months in advance if your job requires you to be flexible. f you can't be flexible, don't take such job. It's quite easy. Sounds a bit harsh, but it's true nonetheless.... Uh, usually major tournaments have their schedules announced months in advance, not a month. There isn't that much flexibility involved in a pro gamer's schedule really. Heh, I know.... So this makes the "problem" even less of a big thing... Ofcourse, it is annoying that the schedule got released, and yeah it sucks that it eventually falls into the same period he had planned something. But it is not something to get so whiny about. He has as much of a right to be "whiny" about this as any other employee that's ever been forced to cancel their vacation for more work. Seriously, it's a normal ass reaction, why do people get so offended? Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 03:43 Serimek wrote:On February 28 2015 03:38 Elentos wrote:On February 28 2015 03:36 asongdotnet wrote:
Is it me or does it seem kinda crazy to go Ro8 to Finals in one day? I dunno, WCS Finals is turning into a poor man's Blizzcon right now. Since this year and only one WCS vs. SSL and GSL, Blizzard admitted without saying that WCS is more for the entertainement than the level of play, so at least a one day event with a good crowd might do the trick... Maybe, but I'm not hyped about this at all tbh. GSL and SSL are both played in studios. Why wouldn't WCS be? Not to mention using a studio would have meant no scheduling issues and the dates could have been announced like last year.
Yes, but you don't see any other employee publicly bashing his/her company for it. I don't think you will work there for long..
Blizzard even pays all his costs in full AND he gets atleast $2000 for it ?
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On February 28 2015 03:46 WonnaPlay wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 03:40 Aocowns wrote:On February 28 2015 03:32 WonnaPlay wrote:On February 28 2015 03:27 KeksX wrote:On February 28 2015 03:26 pNRG wrote:On February 28 2015 03:20 Undead1993 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +well if you are a professional you gotta do stuff you know like not booking this trip. i understand his position but it's also not esl's task to please him anyway great news that they found a cool venue! would be of course sad if kane had to forfeit I agree. If you consider this your "job" then man up and treat it like your job. People have to make arrangements for work all of the time. For a global event, 1 month is still incredibly short notice. Kane has a point, the could've at least released the schedule in advance or the planned timespan. Anything to help out with scheduling. Or, don't plan months in advance if your job requires you to be flexible. f you can't be flexible, don't take such job. It's quite easy. Sounds a bit harsh, but it's true nonetheless.... Sure it is, but there's still the fact that blizzards handling of the entire first season has been really bad, and players have been begging for any details for months already. If you're gonna hold Kane to that standard you sure as hell have to hold WCS organisers to that standard as well, even more so I Agree with the fact that it's been horrible, Aeromi is at day 134 or something? I think it is really unprofessional of Blizzard to do this so late. However Kane is one of the "lucky few" who has a chance to freely roam the world with even earning money and doing gaming as his job. So he shouldn't be whining, yet accepting the fact that it's a possibility. Take Rotterdam for example; If he has to travel suddenly to zimbabwe 2 days in advance to cast some sc2 between a goat and a sheep, he would do it without complaining. Same would go for most of ESL's employees.. Why? Because their job requires to be flexible and they know it. I don't have anything Kane, but he should realize the position he's in.
What position? He can forfeit his spot in the tournament at any time and show the organisers what a bunch of shit this was. ESL employees wouldn't have a choice.
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BTW what would happen if someone was to forfeit? Would the 3rd place from their group advance or the 3rd placed player with the best map score?
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On February 28 2015 03:20 Undead1993 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +well if you are a professional you gotta do stuff you know like not booking this trip. i understand his position but it's also not esl's task to please him
^ This
I dont know why it took so long maybe this place was their backup incase they couldnt get the stage they wanted etc.
Does anyone know why?
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The fact that they scheduled the WCS Premier Ro16 Group Stage to be after IEM Katowice, SSL and GSL finish is bewildering to me. If they did the groups in March and Kane dropped out he wouldn't even have complain about this <.<
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On February 28 2015 03:50 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 03:46 WonnaPlay wrote:On February 28 2015 03:40 Aocowns wrote:On February 28 2015 03:32 WonnaPlay wrote:On February 28 2015 03:27 KeksX wrote:On February 28 2015 03:26 pNRG wrote:On February 28 2015 03:20 Undead1993 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +well if you are a professional you gotta do stuff you know like not booking this trip. i understand his position but it's also not esl's task to please him anyway great news that they found a cool venue! would be of course sad if kane had to forfeit I agree. If you consider this your "job" then man up and treat it like your job. People have to make arrangements for work all of the time. For a global event, 1 month is still incredibly short notice. Kane has a point, the could've at least released the schedule in advance or the planned timespan. Anything to help out with scheduling. Or, don't plan months in advance if your job requires you to be flexible. f you can't be flexible, don't take such job. It's quite easy. Sounds a bit harsh, but it's true nonetheless.... Sure it is, but there's still the fact that blizzards handling of the entire first season has been really bad, and players have been begging for any details for months already. If you're gonna hold Kane to that standard you sure as hell have to hold WCS organisers to that standard as well, even more so I Agree with the fact that it's been horrible, Aeromi is at day 134 or something? I think it is really unprofessional of Blizzard to do this so late. However Kane is one of the "lucky few" who has a chance to freely roam the world with even earning money and doing gaming as his job. So he shouldn't be whining, yet accepting the fact that it's a possibility. Take Rotterdam for example; If he has to travel suddenly to zimbabwe 2 days in advance to cast some sc2 between a goat and a sheep, he would do it without complaining. Same would go for most of ESL's employees.. Why? Because their job requires to be flexible and they know it. I don't have anything Kane, but he should realize the position he's in. What position? He can forfeit his spot in the tournament at any time and show the organisers what a bunch of shit this was. ESL employees wouldn't have a choice.
They can do litterally anything. It is Blizzard their tournament.
Sanctioning, Banning, Restricting, they can do everything (I haven't read the full WCS handbook, but I assume there's a clause for Blizzard to change anything whenever).
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From a PR standpoint, 2015 WCS has been for the most part negative on Blizzard/ESL. People saying that players need to be flexible need to realize that planning a huge event like this, especially one tht only spans 2-3 days, should most definitely NOT be announced a month in advance. Scheduling things in advance allow people to be more flexible and make the sacrifices, but forcing people to make gambles and then get screwed out of money because of unprofessional planning is not fair.
WCS needs to improve on this going foward. It is terrible for all parties involved.
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On February 28 2015 04:03 vult wrote:
From a PR standpoint, 2015 WCS has been for the most part negative on Blizzard/ESL. People saying that players need to be flexible need to realize that planning a huge event like this, especially one tht only spans 2-3 days, should most definitely NOT be announced a month in advance. Scheduling things in advance allow people to be more flexible and make the sacrifices, but forcing people to make gambles and then get screwed out of money because of unprofessional planning is not fair.
WCS needs to improve on this going foward. It is terrible for all parties involved.
As I said, they should have scheduled the Ro16 groups to be in March and then done the 3 day event in April in a studio instead of trying to glorify this event so they could actually get a schedule out in a timely fashion.
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On February 28 2015 03:45 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I hope they don't have to leave the expo at a certain time, as we learned group stages can take 7 hours each it might be some interesting days...
So weird that the continuous competition of WCS last year now has a >month break with nothing happening.
With all the SH users we could very well see more 8-9 hr days. What worries me more is the last day when they'll have 7 matches, 6 of which will be best of 5s and a grand final best of 7. You're looking at potentially a 11-13 hour day. The last time a SC2 event went that long was IPL 4/5 and as someone who attended both I was near comatose at the end
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On February 28 2015 04:07 asongdotnet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 03:45 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I hope they don't have to leave the expo at a certain time, as we learned group stages can take 7 hours each it might be some interesting days...
So weird that the continuous competition of WCS last year now has a >month break with nothing happening. With all the SH users we could very well see more 8-9 hr days. What worries me more is the last day when they'll have 7 matches, 6 of which will be best of 5s and a grand final best of 7. You're looking at potentially a 11-13 hour day. The last time a SC2 event went that long was IPL 4/5 and as someone who attended both I was near comatose at the end
Oh. Lovely.
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On February 28 2015 04:08 SayTT wrote:stop crying
esl/blizzard stop screwing around?
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On February 28 2015 04:10 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:esl/blizzard stop screwing around?
^this
I know things like "You are a progamer u have to consider this type of things!11!!11!!".
But hotels, planes and booking don't care about ESL/Blizzard mistakes
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After I heard from RedEye "WCS happens in my living room", I was somewhat hoping that was a reference to TakeTV new House.
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On February 28 2015 04:13 SuperHofmann wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 04:10 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On February 28 2015 04:08 SayTT wrote:stop crying esl/blizzard stop screwing around? ^this I know things like "You are a progamer u have to consider this type of things!11!!11!!". But hotels, planes and booking don't care about ESL/Blizzard mistakes
Word.
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On February 28 2015 04:13 SuperHofmann wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 04:10 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On February 28 2015 04:08 SayTT wrote:stop crying esl/blizzard stop screwing around? ^this I know things like "You are a progamer u have to consider this type of things!11!!11!!". But hotels, planes and booking don't care about ESL/Blizzard mistakes
Isn't it Blizzard job to provide hotels & planes ?
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On February 28 2015 04:24 Serimek wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 04:13 SuperHofmann wrote:On February 28 2015 04:10 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On February 28 2015 04:08 SayTT wrote:stop crying esl/blizzard stop screwing around? ^this I know things like "You are a progamer u have to consider this type of things!11!!11!!". But hotels, planes and booking don't care about ESL/Blizzard mistakes Isn't it Blizzard job to provide hotels & planes ?
Considering how things are going, the right answer is
"who knows?"
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On February 28 2015 04:24 Serimek wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 04:13 SuperHofmann wrote:On February 28 2015 04:10 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On February 28 2015 04:08 SayTT wrote:stop crying esl/blizzard stop screwing around? ^this I know things like "You are a progamer u have to consider this type of things!11!!11!!". But hotels, planes and booking don't care about ESL/Blizzard mistakes Isn't it Blizzard job to provide hotels & planes ?
I think he's talking about Kane's family plans that have already been booked
edit - guess not
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On February 28 2015 04:13 SuperHofmann wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 04:10 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On February 28 2015 04:08 SayTT wrote:stop crying esl/blizzard stop screwing around? ^this I know things like "You are a progamer u have to consider this type of things!11!!11!!". But hotels, planes and booking don't care about ESL/Blizzard mistakes
Blizzard pays for the hotels and planes, so it should be in their own interest to lower those costs. Booking is still easily possible within a month's notice.
But yeah.... Blizzard should really stop screwing around, it's horrendous.
All parties are screwed. The players for once have the opportunity to be the professional ones, take the chance and use it in the future, don't lower yourselves to the unprofessional behavior of Blizzard.
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Kane is such a whiny bitch.
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If this would involve a player you all hated, this thread would be sooooo different. All comments would be like "his own fault he is a progamer making a living out of playing video games" etc etc.
But now when its Kane, holy hell do people act different. Playing SC2 is Kane's job no matter how you look at it, he is making a living playing this game. Now does it sucks that he has a family trip a week before WCS finals is, i bet it does. But its not Blizzard/ESL's job to plan events according to when all players can or can not play.
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On February 28 2015 04:30 Apoteosis wrote:Kane is such a whiny bitch.
I wouldn't say that. I'd be furious too.
On February 28 2015 04:34 [Svall]Granis wrote:
If this would involve a player you all hated, this thread would be sooooo different. All comments would be like "his own fault he is a progamer making a living out of playing video games" etc etc.
But now when its Kane, holy hell do people act different. Playing SC2 is Kane's job no matter how you look at it, he is making a living playing this game. Now does it sucks that he has a family trip a week before WCS finals is, i bet it does. But its not Blizzard/ESL's job to plan events according to when all players can or can not play.
If anything, I'd say the opposite... Kane is FAR from a fan favorite, I'd go as far as to say he's pretty widely disliked by the community. If it was someone like TLO there would be outrage.
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On February 28 2015 04:42 Aeromi wrote:
lol^2
i expected better
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On February 28 2015 04:35 Pokebunny wrote: I wouldn't say that. I'd be furious too.
Come on, you have 1 month to book up the flight which, by the way, Blizzard will pay.
Did Kane have an important job, or a family that he should attend to? No, he is a child with no responsibilities and a full-time progamer. So, what's with the complains? The answer is that Kane is a whiny, spoiled child that can't endure things that escape his little sphere of control. Proof of this is the episode with Naniwa: like the folk say, Kane threw the stone and then he hid the hand.
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On February 28 2015 04:42 Apoteosis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 04:35 Pokebunny wrote:On February 28 2015 04:30 Apoteosis wrote:Kane is such a whiny bitch. I wouldn't say that. I'd be furious too. Come on, you have 1 month to book up the flight which, by the way, Blizzard will pay. Did Kane have an important job, or a family that he should attend to? No, he is a child with no responsibilities and a full-time progamer. So, what's with the complains? The answer is that Kane is a whiny, spoiled child that can't endure things that escape his little sphere of control. Proof of this is the episode with Naniwa: like the folk say, Kane threw the stone and then he hid the hand.
wtf
sources?
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ITT: People whine about Kane being "too whiny"
Also, progamer personal lives don't real and they are obligated to do whatever Blizzard asks (because progamers are Blizzard's employees, that's how it works, right?)
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They thought they could fix everything by putting it in Paris to appease Aeromi, instead they screw over players like Kane
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On February 28 2015 04:35 Pokebunny wrote: I wouldn't say that. I'd be furious too. Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 04:34 [Svall]Granis wrote:
If this would involve a player you all hated, this thread would be sooooo different. All comments would be like "his own fault he is a progamer making a living out of playing video games" etc etc.
But now when its Kane, holy hell do people act different. Playing SC2 is Kane's job no matter how you look at it, he is making a living playing this game. Now does it sucks that he has a family trip a week before WCS finals is, i bet it does. But its not Blizzard/ESL's job to plan events according to when all players can or can not play.
If anything, I'd say the opposite... Kane is FAR from a fan favorite, I'd go as far as to say he's pretty widely disliked by the community. If it was someone like TLO there would be outrage.
TLO acts like a professional. Maybe TLO did also have plans he made 5 years ago, yet will cancel them, be bummed about it, talk crap about Blizzard to friends. He will not however, act out publicly at Blizzard, when all the sponsors might be watching. People lose their jobs for stuff like this..
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people lose their jobs for saying they have a vacation planned? What kind of industry do you work in?
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On February 28 2015 04:52 WonnaPlay wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 04:35 Pokebunny wrote:On February 28 2015 04:30 Apoteosis wrote:Kane is such a whiny bitch. I wouldn't say that. I'd be furious too. On February 28 2015 04:34 [Svall]Granis wrote:
If this would involve a player you all hated, this thread would be sooooo different. All comments would be like "his own fault he is a progamer making a living out of playing video games" etc etc.
But now when its Kane, holy hell do people act different. Playing SC2 is Kane's job no matter how you look at it, he is making a living playing this game. Now does it sucks that he has a family trip a week before WCS finals is, i bet it does. But its not Blizzard/ESL's job to plan events according to when all players can or can not play.
If anything, I'd say the opposite... Kane is FAR from a fan favorite, I'd go as far as to say he's pretty widely disliked by the community. If it was someone like TLO there would be outrage. TLO acts like a professional. Maybe TLO did also have plans he made 5 years ago, yet will cancel them, be bummed about it, talk crap about Blizzard to friends. He will not however, act out publicly at Blizzard, when all the sponsors might be watching. People lose their jobs for stuff like this..
didnt he lash out at them in a interview recently where he said he was ashamed of not being able to tell the reporters where the finals for the season were being held?
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On February 28 2015 04:42 Aeromi wrote:
lol^2
That's hardly a more elaborate reaction in my book >.>
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On February 28 2015 04:54 90ti wrote:
people lose their jobs for saying they have a vacation planned? What kind of industry do you work in?
my guess is none.
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On February 28 2015 04:56 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 04:54 90ti wrote:
people lose their jobs for saying they have a vacation planned? What kind of industry do you work in? my guess is none.
well met
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On February 28 2015 04:54 90ti wrote:
people lose their jobs for saying they have a vacation planned? What kind of industry do you work in?
hehe no, but IF he cancels his tournament a.k.a. most important tournament of his life, it might be.
Getting a deadline a month in advance for the most important task of your career and then saying you won't be able to make it, because you've had a trip planned for 3 months, is in many industries a career killer.
edit; lol at these 2 ^, if you really want to know that badly, it's not that hard to find me...
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On February 28 2015 04:42 Apoteosis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 04:35 Pokebunny wrote:On February 28 2015 04:30 Apoteosis wrote:Kane is such a whiny bitch. I wouldn't say that. I'd be furious too. Come on, you have 1 month to book up the flight which, by the way, Blizzard will pay. Did Kane have an important job, or a family that he should attend to? No, he is a child with no responsibilities and a full-time progamer. So, what's with the complains? The answer is that Kane is a whiny, spoiled child that can't endure things that escape his little sphere of control. Proof of this is the episode with Naniwa: like the folk say, Kane threw the stone and then he hid the hand.
Wowowow, easy there. As far as I know you don't have any qualification that makes you legitimate for saying such things, and at least he's in the position of whining about Blizz by virtue of his skills while you are just being a random internet jerk, so please show some respect.
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It's not just the players. I wanted to attend the finals, but I've already made plans for the Easter weekend. Also plane tickets are quite expensive now. If I knew where it would be one month ago, things could have been different. I really hope we get to learn the venue for season two at least two months in advance, so I can arrange the trip properly. Anyway not a big deal.
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Holy shit people are being unfair to Kane. Why are we expecting him to accurately predict the date of the WCS finals and schedule family shit around it when we should expect Blizzard/ESL to have these kinds of things announced way further in advance so players actually can take a vacation and have lives outside of waiting for dates to be released a month in advance
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welcome IRL Kane :S
I am not suprised by this situation.
Dont you remember all the trouble with forgg and puck ?
family or job ? i hope kane'll make the right choice and i'll happily cheer for him in season 1 AND 2 
On February 28 2015 05:08 Inex wrote:
It's not just the players. I wanted to attend the finals, but I've already made plans for the Easter weekend. Also plane tickets are quite expensive now. If I knew where it would be one month ago, things could have been different. I really hope we get to learn the venue for season two at least two months in advance, so I can arrange the trip properly. Anyway not a big deal.
dont worry next season will be more easy for every one.
These're the first bumps on a new road.
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On February 28 2015 04:59 WonnaPlay wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 04:54 90ti wrote:
people lose their jobs for saying they have a vacation planned? What kind of industry do you work in? hehe no, but IF he cancels his tournament a.k.a. most important tournament of his life, it might be. Getting a deadline a month in advance for the most important task of your career and then saying you won't be able to make it, because you've had a trip planned for 3 months, is in many industries a career killer. edit; lol at these 2 ^, if you really want to know that badly, it's not that hard to find me...
haha just having just some fun, though that chile and sweden guy earlier seem to be spitting at their monitors.
Using your analogy, if its a deadline, he can still work hard and finish the project in time. He can't practice or work his way out of a set venue time.
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On February 28 2015 03:23 dazed25 wrote:Meh conflicts happen all the time. It's up to you to decide what's more important in your life at the time. Don't understand why people act so entitled about it. Reminds me of that med student who had to choose between playing and school. Grow up and deal with it.
Yeah, the irresponsibility is definitely at the hands of Kane who has to make a decision between a long time commitment or a last minute decision.
Stupid Kane making commitments when you know your job is full of surprise announcements. You should know that a happy life outside of eSports is not possible while your pursuing your DREAMS.
On a serious note though, would be nice if Blizzard would plan these things ahead of time instead of saying that WCS ends "2015". I have hotels booked for 2 trips this year because I'm smart and make plans and enjoy myself. Life is busy and full of shit to do, so requesting off of work and finishing school work ahead of time and doing responsible adult shit is necessary. I can't imagine if my workplace just said "oh by the way, now that you've made your plans and booked your tickets, we've come up with a special assignment for you and you can't go".
That's the kind of job you quit due to the lack of respect/responsiblity shown by the employer (unless they pay you a fuck ton of money and it's worth it).
eSports is also a job, be it part time or full time, for a ton of people. Half assing or accidentally doing a poor job on your duties is deserving of criticism.
From a fan's perspective, looking forward to this event in April! Woooo!
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On February 28 2015 04:52 WonnaPlay wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 04:35 Pokebunny wrote:On February 28 2015 04:30 Apoteosis wrote:Kane is such a whiny bitch. I wouldn't say that. I'd be furious too. On February 28 2015 04:34 [Svall]Granis wrote:
If this would involve a player you all hated, this thread would be sooooo different. All comments would be like "his own fault he is a progamer making a living out of playing video games" etc etc.
But now when its Kane, holy hell do people act different. Playing SC2 is Kane's job no matter how you look at it, he is making a living playing this game. Now does it sucks that he has a family trip a week before WCS finals is, i bet it does. But its not Blizzard/ESL's job to plan events according to when all players can or can not play.
If anything, I'd say the opposite... Kane is FAR from a fan favorite, I'd go as far as to say he's pretty widely disliked by the community. If it was someone like TLO there would be outrage. TLO acts like a professional. Maybe TLO did also have plans he made 5 years ago, yet will cancel them, be bummed about it, talk crap about Blizzard to friends. He will not however, act out publicly at Blizzard, when all the sponsors might be watching. People lose their jobs for stuff like this..
O rly? He sounds less than enthused.
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Blizzard/ESL could certainly have done a better job with scheduling the finals, but that doesn't mean they owe Kane, or any of the players, anything, as someone pointed out earlier.
If I were in Kane's position, I'd be just as pissed... but that doesn't mean I would be correct or that Blizzard owed me anything beyond the opportunity to make thousands of dollars competing in a video game. I mean, the reality is that Kane has to make a shitty choice and it's not his fault; who wouldn't be frustrated? I take Kane at his word when he says the vacation is important for personal reasons, and that just makes it worse.
Unfortunately, until we live in a perfect world, things like this happen. Blizzard/ESL are people that make mistakes too.
Did Blizzard or ESL do anything wrong in my opijnion? No way. Could they have done better? Absolutely.
Hopefully all parties involved learn something from this and improve going into the future.
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On February 28 2015 05:09 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Holy shit people are being unfair to Kane. Why are we expecting him to accurately predict the date of the WCS finals and schedule family shit around it when we should expect Blizzard/ESL to have these kinds of things announced way further in advance so players actually can take a vacation and have lives outside of waiting for dates to be released a month in advance
You're not getting it at all. Progamers are supposed to be prophets and predict the date of an event that can be taking place at any date. They are also supposed to sacrifice their whole life, family and friends included, in order to participate in one tournament, because that's what makes them progamers.
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Nah I agree with you. Actually seeing that many hostile reactions to Kane makes me sad.
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On February 28 2015 05:32 Garsecg wrote:
Did Blizzard or ESL do anything wrong in my opijnion? No way.
Considering other SC2 events release this kind of schedule way in advance, including Blizzard with the global finals, I would say yes, they made a mistake. And for what? The venue? Other SC2 events will attract equal/bigger audiences I figure, the short notice really doesn't help anyone.
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On February 28 2015 04:56 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 04:54 90ti wrote:
people lose their jobs for saying they have a vacation planned? What kind of industry do you work in? my guess is none.
Yeah, seriously. I've been working for a Fortune 100 company for roughly a decade and managers are very reasonable about vacations. There are companies in Silicon Valley who don't even bother asking their employees to record their time. Some people must have McJobs or shit.
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I agree with everyone. Blizzard REALLY should announce important things like the schedule for the main tournaments of the year way more in advance. Especially since it involves people from all over the world and thus a lot of travelling and various lifestyles/holidays/whathaveyou that need to be taken into account.
I'm really loving the new WCS format, but the planning has been atrocious so far.
On the other hand: Pro-gamers are professionals. Playing in tournaments is their job. I already had to cancel one planned weekend away this year because of mine. That's the nature of things, especially if you don't have a fixed income, but are dependent on what you bring in anyway.
That and it really wasn't that hard to foresee the time frame WCS was going to play out in from the moment it was announced. Kane, I like the guy so this isn't me hating on him, has been complaining about schedule conflicts and traveling since the very start. Why did he even sign up for it at all if it is giving him such problems?
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Some player may be pissed, but that is a sacrifice blizzard/esl is willing to make.
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On February 28 2015 05:41 Thax wrote:
Kane, I like the guy so this isn't me hating on him, has been complaining about schedule conflicts and traveling since the very start. Why did he even sign up for it at all if it is giving him such problems?
Because as you said, this is how they make a living. He can't just not sign up for big events cause it might possibly have a conflict. He's screwing himself out of potential thousands of dollars then if there isn't a conflict. Players should be informed in a much more timely manner when things like this are happening.
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On February 28 2015 05:39 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 05:32 Garsecg wrote:
Did Blizzard or ESL do anything wrong in my opijnion? No way. Considering other SC2 events release this kind of schedule way in advance, including Blizzard with the global finals, I would say yes, they made a mistake. And for what? The venue? Other SC2 events will attract equal/bigger audiences I figure, the short notice really doesn't help anyone.
That's a good point, I was looking at the issue in a vacuum with regards to other tournaments being scheduled. I'm not really in a position to judge Blizzard against other event planners, I don't have any of the facts. Still, the entire thing feels like a shitty roll of the dice to me.
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On February 28 2015 04:03 vult wrote:
From a PR standpoint, 2015 WCS has been for the most part negative on Blizzard/ESL. People saying that players need to be flexible need to realize that planning a huge event like this, especially one tht only spans 2-3 days, should most definitely NOT be announced a month in advance. Scheduling things in advance allow people to be more flexible and make the sacrifices, but forcing people to make gambles and then get screwed out of money because of unprofessional planning is not fair.
WCS needs to improve on this going foward. It is terrible for all parties involved.
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Scheduling things is part of sucess.
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In France as expected. Not in the neighbourhood for anyone other then French though. Oh well
Edit: Also: Kane seems to have a talent for creating drama. Good to see. I can't wait for NaNi to get in championship shape again and meet Kane a lot in the future
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Better invite Day9 to cast, probably wont happen though
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On February 28 2015 05:53 Aeromi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 04:03 vult wrote:
From a PR standpoint, 2015 WCS has been for the most part negative on Blizzard/ESL. People saying that players need to be flexible need to realize that planning a huge event like this, especially one tht only spans 2-3 days, should most definitely NOT be announced a month in advance. Scheduling things in advance allow people to be more flexible and make the sacrifices, but forcing people to make gambles and then get screwed out of money because of unprofessional planning is not fair.
WCS needs to improve on this going foward. It is terrible for all parties involved. :> Scheduling things is part of sucess.
Could even say that it's the first part of success.
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Okay so after the last ro32 WCS group is played this weekend that means that we wont see any WCS action for an entire month? ro16 groups and playoff stage in one weekend....interesting.
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On February 28 2015 06:37 Gojira621 wrote:
Okay so after the last ro32 WCS group is played this weekend that means that we wont see any WCS action for an entire month? ro16 groups and playoff stage in one weekend....interesting.
you will have korean starcraft
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On February 28 2015 06:55 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 06:37 Gojira621 wrote:
Okay so after the last ro32 WCS group is played this weekend that means that we wont see any WCS action for an entire month? ro16 groups and playoff stage in one weekend....interesting. you will have korean starcraft
And IEM Kore.... err Katowice
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On February 28 2015 06:37 Gojira621 wrote:
Okay so after the last ro32 WCS group is played this weekend that means that we wont see any WCS action for an entire month? ro16 groups and playoff stage in one weekend....interesting.
I've given up even considering watching WCS unless it's on and nothing else is.
Watching LoL is just so much easier. Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday evenings my time every week, with streaming on Youtube so I can rewind if I want to watch from the start, and VODs uploaded near-instantly to the same Youtube channel I can watch it on.
No thinking about schedules or what's on when. Consistent week to week. Easy to watch and no risk of missing things or getting spoiled because you start watching late.
Given that ESL were doing SC2 before Riot even launched LCS, it's ridiculous.
I am using LoL not to say it's better or worse as a game, but as an example of what you can do if you actually decide to try and be sensible.
(And yes, they have screwed up by hosting some games in the UK without enough time for players to get Visas, so they aren't perfect).
Oh, and the finals will be held in "various European cities in October 2015". Notified to people at the end of Jan 2015.
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Glad that it's held in France. A very good news for the state of SC2 here. However that's ridiculous that the date and place weren't released earlier. It's not like it couldn't be known, GA is being held THE EXACT SAME WEEKEND EVERY YEAR.
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I don't get it. The title says WCS S1 Finals. What's kane complaining about? He didn't even qualified. Correct me pls.
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On February 28 2015 18:09 insitelol wrote:
I don't get it. The title says WCS S1 Finals. What's kane complaining about? He didn't even qualified. Correct me pls.
He's in the Ro16 of WCS Premier season 1, that's the event this is about.
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^actually he finished first in his group, so he indeed qualified for the Ro16. I don't know why you think that he didn't even qualify.
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On February 28 2015 18:09 insitelol wrote:
I don't get it. The title says WCS S1 Finals. What's kane complaining about? He didn't even qualified. Correct me pls.
The top16 of Premier League go there and he is among them (won Group D of the Ro32).
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Oh this is cool i might go to ... wait a minute.... WAIT A MINUTE !
MaNa, Kane, ForG, Serral, XiGua, Snute, Polt, TLO, Bunny, PiG, Has, FIRECAKE ?
Well... i'll watch some KR tournaments from home.
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On February 28 2015 18:17 Elentos wrote:
He's in the Ro16 of WCS Premier season 1, that's the event this is about.
I again repeat. The title says. WCS S1 Finals. It's the season finals including premier/korea like it was in 2013.
Where do see a word "premier" in the announcing post? And it will be held in april. Do you intend to wait for premier ro16 for 1,5 months?
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On February 28 2015 04:30 Apoteosis wrote:Kane is such a whiny bitch.
That is true, just deal with it. We don't need to know your problems kane
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On February 28 2015 18:42 insitelol wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 18:17 Elentos wrote:
He's in the Ro16 of WCS Premier season 1, that's the event this is about. I again repeat. The title says. WCS S1 Finals. It's the season finals including premier/korea like it was in 2013. Where do see a word "premier" in the announcing post? And it will be held in april. Do you intend to wait for premier ro16 for 1,5 months?
No such event has been announced. Likewise, before yesterday, no schedule for WCS Premier season 1 past Ro32 was announced. The logical conclusion is that this is indeed only for WCS Premier season 1, because if it wasn't, WCS Ro16 scheduling would be on even shorter notice than it already is. Also trust the damn players to know for what they are qualified.
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Well ok, my bad. Since blizzard announced the return of season finals in november, i guess i missunderstood this. Though, it definetely shuld be called WCS premier finals.
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On February 28 2015 18:42 insitelol wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 18:17 Elentos wrote:
He's in the Ro16 of WCS Premier season 1, that's the event this is about. I again repeat. The title says. WCS S1 Finals. It's the season finals including premier/korea like it was in 2013. Where do see a word "premier" in the announcing post? And it will be held in april. Do you intend to wait for premier ro16 for 1,5 months?
I dunno if you're subtly trolling thanks to Blizzard's incompetency but here's the thing : season finals like in 2013 don't exist anymore. GSL and NSSL, the two Korean leagues, are NOT officially ran under the WCS tag like in 2013 ; they are independant tournaments (hence why they can have their own map pool) that award the same number of points as the official WCS. Thus we have WCS finals that only includes players playing in WCS, that is, not the players playing in GSL/NSSL. And yes, it looks like we'll wait 1,5 month until the Ro16 of WCS.
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Blizzard is ridiculous when it comes to SC2 this year.
On February 28 2015 18:51 SayTT wrote:That is true, just deal with it. We don't need to know your problems kane
Yeah, keep blaming the players. That's how they'll love this scene where Blizz/ESL screw them up, and the community is happy to blame them for "whining".
Keep on if you don't like Starcraft, you're doin' it right.
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On February 28 2015 06:55 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 06:37 Gojira621 wrote:
Okay so after the last ro32 WCS group is played this weekend that means that we wont see any WCS action for an entire month? ro16 groups and playoff stage in one weekend....interesting. you will have korean starcraft
i said WCS-action, as in WCS Season 1. Not starleague, GSL, Proleague, IEM...
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Most of "It's your job!" crowd here does not realises that the event is during EASTER!
I wonder if you would be so willing to go out and do your job if the boss said you need to do it during christmas/new year/easter, when he clearly could arrange any other more suitable date. Especially the guys who need to undertake 18-24h trip to even get to Europe...
This is just a big slip up from Blizzard.
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On March 01 2015 05:45 rast wrote:
Most of "It's your job!" crowd here does not realises that the event is during EASTER!
I wonder if you would be so willing to go out and do your job if the boss said you need to do it during christmas/new year/easter, when he clearly could arrange any other more suitable date. Especially the guys who need to undertake 18-24h trip to even get to Europe...
This is just a big slip up from Blizzard.
Doesn't matter. People here have made it 100% clear that if you are a progamer you give up 100% of your life and completely dedicate yourself to being available at all times in case a tournament is announced on short notice.
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On March 01 2015 05:50 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2015 05:45 rast wrote:
Most of "It's your job!" crowd here does not realises that the event is during EASTER!
I wonder if you would be so willing to go out and do your job if the boss said you need to do it during christmas/new year/easter, when he clearly could arrange any other more suitable date. Especially the guys who need to undertake 18-24h trip to even get to Europe...
This is just a big slip up from Blizzard. Doesn't matter. People here have made it 100% clear that if you are a progamer you give up 100% of your life and completely dedicate yourself to being available at all times in case a tournament is announced on short notice.
anyone that dislikes that can stay out of the scene. is not that hard.
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I just can't shake the fact that everyone would have been happier if at least the dates were announced in advance.
IIRC both GSL and NSSL disclosed the entire S1 schedule in one announcement, then followed up with the finals venue; if that was done for WCS S1 I don't think any of the foreigner frustrations (mostly around not knowing when the next round was) would have happened..
Also whoever said Kane is a child that has "no family to attend to"... it scares me that you don't treat your parents as family. With the vacation in question, Kane is "attending to" his older family (including his parents that brought him into this world) which have just as much a right for his "family time" as his future wife and children.
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On March 01 2015 05:45 rast wrote:
Most of "It's your job!" crowd here does not realises that the event is during EASTER!
I wonder if you would be so willing to go out and do your job if the boss said you need to do it during christmas/new year/easter, when he clearly could arrange any other more suitable date. Especially the guys who need to undertake 18-24h trip to even get to Europe...
This is just a big slip up from Blizzard.
I dunno, sounds convenient that it's on Easter to me. I doubt any pro-gamer is going to be celebrating Easter holiday... Maybe they can even have Easter egg hunts at the event. Wouldn't that be cute?
While I definitely think dates should be as finalized as soon they can be, and announced asap (like most sports tournaments are), this is something he should inquire about prior to making arrangements. Kane is just going to have to make some REAL LIFE decisions. This is probably good for him.
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On March 01 2015 05:53 xuanzue wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2015 05:50 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 01 2015 05:45 rast wrote:
Most of "It's your job!" crowd here does not realises that the event is during EASTER!
I wonder if you would be so willing to go out and do your job if the boss said you need to do it during christmas/new year/easter, when he clearly could arrange any other more suitable date. Especially the guys who need to undertake 18-24h trip to even get to Europe...
This is just a big slip up from Blizzard. Doesn't matter. People here have made it 100% clear that if you are a progamer you give up 100% of your life and completely dedicate yourself to being available at all times in case a tournament is announced on short notice. anyone that dislikes that can stay out of the scene. is not that hard.
Enjoy your 10-men scene then?
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On March 01 2015 05:53 xuanzue wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2015 05:50 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 01 2015 05:45 rast wrote:
Most of "It's your job!" crowd here does not realises that the event is during EASTER!
I wonder if you would be so willing to go out and do your job if the boss said you need to do it during christmas/new year/easter, when he clearly could arrange any other more suitable date. Especially the guys who need to undertake 18-24h trip to even get to Europe...
This is just a big slip up from Blizzard. Doesn't matter. People here have made it 100% clear that if you are a progamer you give up 100% of your life and completely dedicate yourself to being available at all times in case a tournament is announced on short notice. anyone that dislikes that can stay out of the scene. is not that hard.
You should stay away from this planet, it is not that hard.
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On February 28 2015 02:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
>the top 16 StarCraft II players in the world to show off their skills.
WCS Premier... Top 16 in the world... Ya okay
Other than that HYPE
You should know better than jumping the "WCS noskill lel" train
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OH MY! Dreamhack and WCS in france this year! AWESOOOOOME :D! Best year inc!!! :D
And yeah Im hyped, even if its not all koerany. WCS RO32 was really good can't wait to participate RO16! :D
p.s: Any french ppl who live in Lyon? PM me cause I will probably take the car to go.
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On March 01 2015 17:39 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 02:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
>the top 16 StarCraft II players in the world to show off their skills.
WCS Premier... Top 16 in the world... Ya okay
Other than that HYPE
You should know better than jumping the "WCS noskill lel" train
Of course, but still I wouldn't put any WCS player in the world Top 16 by far.
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On March 01 2015 23:29 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2015 17:39 boxerfred wrote:On February 28 2015 02:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
>the top 16 StarCraft II players in the world to show off their skills.
WCS Premier... Top 16 in the world... Ya okay
Other than that HYPE
You should know better than jumping the "WCS noskill lel" train Of course, but still I wouldn't put any WCS player in the world Top 16 by far.
forgg beat Life pretty convincingly
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On March 01 2015 23:32 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2015 23:29 Ragnarork wrote:On March 01 2015 17:39 boxerfred wrote:On February 28 2015 02:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
>the top 16 StarCraft II players in the world to show off their skills.
WCS Premier... Top 16 in the world... Ya okay
Other than that HYPE
You should know better than jumping the "WCS noskill lel" train Of course, but still I wouldn't put any WCS player in the world Top 16 by far. forgg beat Life pretty convincingly
FireCake beat ForGG pretty convincingly in a macro game.
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On March 01 2015 23:37 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2015 23:32 sharkie wrote:On March 01 2015 23:29 Ragnarork wrote:On March 01 2015 17:39 boxerfred wrote:On February 28 2015 02:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
>the top 16 StarCraft II players in the world to show off their skills.
WCS Premier... Top 16 in the world... Ya okay
Other than that HYPE
You should know better than jumping the "WCS noskill lel" train Of course, but still I wouldn't put any WCS player in the world Top 16 by far. forgg beat Life pretty convincingly FireCake beat ForGG pretty convincingly in a macro game.
Winning one game =/= winning 1 Bo5 + 1 Bo7
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doesn't he have to qualify first?
Edit: ahhh my bad. baka incog
i thought that koreans would be here q_q
well besides going to cheer on forgg or snute there's not too much reason to attend this event, i guess
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On March 01 2015 23:44 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2015 23:37 OtherWorld wrote:On March 01 2015 23:32 sharkie wrote:On March 01 2015 23:29 Ragnarork wrote:On March 01 2015 17:39 boxerfred wrote:On February 28 2015 02:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
>the top 16 StarCraft II players in the world to show off their skills.
WCS Premier... Top 16 in the world... Ya okay
Other than that HYPE
You should know better than jumping the "WCS noskill lel" train Of course, but still I wouldn't put any WCS player in the world Top 16 by far. forgg beat Life pretty convincingly FireCake beat ForGG pretty convincingly in a macro game. Winning one game =/= winning 1 Bo5 + 1 Bo7
Yeah I know but winning one or two BoX is hardly more relevant than winning one game when talking about who's the better player.
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so kane gets upset about a schedule conflict (something anyone who has moved away from home has done multiple times in their lifetime) and makes posts about it on his personal twitter. then a bunch of people who watch his games for free declare him unprofessional for saying a thing on the internet...
yeah i'm not seeing it... kane was definitely a little huffy in those tweets but it's way more douchy to rant incessantly about his two tweets while frothing about some false dilemma whereby if you want to do anything that makes you any money you have to "be prepared" to be screwed out of your personal life as if thats what constitutes maturity
could he handle it "better" than those tweets show? sure. but making two posts on the internet doesnt mean "he mad" and he's sitting in his room crying all day. i'm sure he will handle his shit fine with his negative opinion which has entitled to. magnifying it into this drama over professionalism is socially awkward in the extreme
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why did aeromi want the schedule so badly though
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On March 02 2015 00:09 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2015 23:44 Boucot wrote:On March 01 2015 23:37 OtherWorld wrote:On March 01 2015 23:32 sharkie wrote:On March 01 2015 23:29 Ragnarork wrote:On March 01 2015 17:39 boxerfred wrote:On February 28 2015 02:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
>the top 16 StarCraft II players in the world to show off their skills.
WCS Premier... Top 16 in the world... Ya okay
Other than that HYPE
You should know better than jumping the "WCS noskill lel" train Of course, but still I wouldn't put any WCS player in the world Top 16 by far. forgg beat Life pretty convincingly FireCake beat ForGG pretty convincingly in a macro game. Winning one game =/= winning 1 Bo5 + 1 Bo7 Yeah I know but winning one or two BoX is hardly more relevant than winning one game when talking about who's the better player.
I never said forgg is a better player than Life.
Just saying that not considering forgg in top16 in the world (by far) is pretty ridicilous.
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On March 02 2015 00:20 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2015 00:09 OtherWorld wrote:On March 01 2015 23:44 Boucot wrote:On March 01 2015 23:37 OtherWorld wrote:On March 01 2015 23:32 sharkie wrote:On March 01 2015 23:29 Ragnarork wrote:On March 01 2015 17:39 boxerfred wrote:On February 28 2015 02:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
>the top 16 StarCraft II players in the world to show off their skills.
WCS Premier... Top 16 in the world... Ya okay
Other than that HYPE
You should know better than jumping the "WCS noskill lel" train Of course, but still I wouldn't put any WCS player in the world Top 16 by far. forgg beat Life pretty convincingly FireCake beat ForGG pretty convincingly in a macro game. Winning one game =/= winning 1 Bo5 + 1 Bo7 Yeah I know but winning one or two BoX is hardly more relevant than winning one game when talking about who's the better player. I never said forgg is a better player than Life. Just saying that not considering forgg in top16 in the world (by far) is pretty ridicilous.
Ah sorry, I thought that you were implying that. As for ForGG being top16 I dunno.
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On March 02 2015 00:18 Incognoto wrote:
why did aeromi want the schedule so badly though
Because Aeromi is one of the few people who love esports and want SC2 to succeed.
Releasing schedule before a tournament starts should be pretty much a given...
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The timing sucks for Copenhagen Games which is on April 1-4. They are supposed to have a StarCraft II tournament there with €6700 prize pool. According to their website, the signups already include players like HyuN, Patience, Ryung, True, elfi, uThermal and MorroW. I wonder are they even allowed to play* it if it clashes with WCS let alone get any viewership.
Edit: *By "they" I mean if CPH Games is allowed to organize the tournament, not if the players are allowed to play in the tournament.
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On March 02 2015 00:46 Azhrak wrote:The timing sucks for Copenhagen Games which is on April 1-4. They are supposed to have a StarCraft II tournament there with €6700 prize pool. According to their website, the signups already include players like HyuN, Patience, Ryung, True, elfi, uThermal and MorroW. I wonder are they even allowed to play it if it clashes with WCS let alone get any viewership.
Why wouldn't they be allowed to play? None of those players are still in WCS Ro16. It's also not the first time 2 tournaments are on the same day.
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On March 01 2015 05:50 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2015 05:45 rast wrote:
Most of "It's your job!" crowd here does not realises that the event is during EASTER!
I wonder if you would be so willing to go out and do your job if the boss said you need to do it during christmas/new year/easter, when he clearly could arrange any other more suitable date. Especially the guys who need to undertake 18-24h trip to even get to Europe...
This is just a big slip up from Blizzard. Doesn't matter. People here have made it 100% clear that if you are a progamer you give up 100% of your life and completely dedicate yourself to being available at all times in case a tournament is announced on short notice.
Yes, that's what's being said. You're so smart.
I won't be watching the matches live anyway. I'll be working during Easter weekend.
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On March 02 2015 06:17 Thax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2015 00:46 Azhrak wrote:The timing sucks for Copenhagen Games which is on April 1-4. They are supposed to have a StarCraft II tournament there with €6700 prize pool. According to their website, the signups already include players like HyuN, Patience, Ryung, True, elfi, uThermal and MorroW. I wonder are they even allowed to play it if it clashes with WCS let alone get any viewership. Why wouldn't they be allowed to play? None of those players are still in WCS Ro16. It's also not the first time 2 tournaments are on the same day.
I guess it would be the first time one of those two overlapping tournaments is the WCS. When Blizzard announced the WCS in 2013 they said other events should not overlap with the WCS:
Q: What about other tournaments? Does this mean there will be no leagues outside of WCS?
A: Not at all! Other tournaments will be free to carry on with their own competitions, so long as their broadcasts do not overlap with WCS events.
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On March 02 2015 06:50 Azhrak wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2015 06:17 Thax wrote:On March 02 2015 00:46 Azhrak wrote:The timing sucks for Copenhagen Games which is on April 1-4. They are supposed to have a StarCraft II tournament there with €6700 prize pool. According to their website, the signups already include players like HyuN, Patience, Ryung, True, elfi, uThermal and MorroW. I wonder are they even allowed to play it if it clashes with WCS let alone get any viewership. Why wouldn't they be allowed to play? None of those players are still in WCS Ro16. It's also not the first time 2 tournaments are on the same day. I guess it would be the first time one of those two overlapping tournaments is the WCS. When Blizzard announced the WCS in 2013 they said other events should not overlap with the WCS: Show nested quote +Q: What about other tournaments? Does this mean there will be no leagues outside of WCS?
A: Not at all! Other tournaments will be free to carry on with their own competitions, so long as their broadcasts do not overlap with WCS events.
in this case wouldnt the WCS overlap with the other tournament and not the opposite?
since they announced their dates so late ...
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On March 02 2015 07:37 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2015 06:50 Azhrak wrote:On March 02 2015 06:17 Thax wrote:On March 02 2015 00:46 Azhrak wrote:The timing sucks for Copenhagen Games which is on April 1-4. They are supposed to have a StarCraft II tournament there with €6700 prize pool. According to their website, the signups already include players like HyuN, Patience, Ryung, True, elfi, uThermal and MorroW. I wonder are they even allowed to play it if it clashes with WCS let alone get any viewership. Why wouldn't they be allowed to play? None of those players are still in WCS Ro16. It's also not the first time 2 tournaments are on the same day. I guess it would be the first time one of those two overlapping tournaments is the WCS. When Blizzard announced the WCS in 2013 they said other events should not overlap with the WCS: Q: What about other tournaments? Does this mean there will be no leagues outside of WCS?
A: Not at all! Other tournaments will be free to carry on with their own competitions, so long as their broadcasts do not overlap with WCS events.
in this case wouldnt the WCS overlap with the other tournament and not the opposite? since they announced their dates so late ...
I guess WCS kinda has priority over other tournaments in Blizzard's eyes. But I thought that the "no overlaping" rule quoted above was only for WCS-partner tournaments?
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On March 02 2015 15:56 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2015 07:37 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On March 02 2015 06:50 Azhrak wrote:On March 02 2015 06:17 Thax wrote:On March 02 2015 00:46 Azhrak wrote:The timing sucks for Copenhagen Games which is on April 1-4. They are supposed to have a StarCraft II tournament there with €6700 prize pool. According to their website, the signups already include players like HyuN, Patience, Ryung, True, elfi, uThermal and MorroW. I wonder are they even allowed to play it if it clashes with WCS let alone get any viewership. Why wouldn't they be allowed to play? None of those players are still in WCS Ro16. It's also not the first time 2 tournaments are on the same day. I guess it would be the first time one of those two overlapping tournaments is the WCS. When Blizzard announced the WCS in 2013 they said other events should not overlap with the WCS: Q: What about other tournaments? Does this mean there will be no leagues outside of WCS?
A: Not at all! Other tournaments will be free to carry on with their own competitions, so long as their broadcasts do not overlap with WCS events.
in this case wouldnt the WCS overlap with the other tournament and not the opposite? since they announced their dates so late ... I guess WCS kinda has priority over other tournaments in Blizzard's eyes. But I thought that the "no overlaping" rule quoted above was only for WCS-partner tournaments?
Regardless of if they can or not I can't imagine that people would watch it over the WCS ro16
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It is great that Gamers Assembly is getting to host WCS. Gamers Assembly has been a staple for esports in France and Europe for over 10 years now, it is the most grassroot esport event in France, a huge BYOC "a la Dreamhack".
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On March 02 2015 16:01 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2015 15:56 OtherWorld wrote:On March 02 2015 07:37 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On March 02 2015 06:50 Azhrak wrote:On March 02 2015 06:17 Thax wrote:On March 02 2015 00:46 Azhrak wrote:The timing sucks for Copenhagen Games which is on April 1-4. They are supposed to have a StarCraft II tournament there with €6700 prize pool. According to their website, the signups already include players like HyuN, Patience, Ryung, True, elfi, uThermal and MorroW. I wonder are they even allowed to play it if it clashes with WCS let alone get any viewership. Why wouldn't they be allowed to play? None of those players are still in WCS Ro16. It's also not the first time 2 tournaments are on the same day. I guess it would be the first time one of those two overlapping tournaments is the WCS. When Blizzard announced the WCS in 2013 they said other events should not overlap with the WCS: Q: What about other tournaments? Does this mean there will be no leagues outside of WCS?
A: Not at all! Other tournaments will be free to carry on with their own competitions, so long as their broadcasts do not overlap with WCS events.
in this case wouldnt the WCS overlap with the other tournament and not the opposite? since they announced their dates so late ... I guess WCS kinda has priority over other tournaments in Blizzard's eyes. But I thought that the "no overlaping" rule quoted above was only for WCS-partner tournaments? Regardless of if they can or not I can't imagine that people would watch it over the WCS ro16
Ah yes for sure, it's a shame that this happens and another consequence of Blizzard's unprofessionalism with this Season.
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