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On February 25 2015 09:12 Uvantak wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 09:07 Musicus wrote:Congrats Uvantak and Caevrane! Kinda scared as a zerg, since Uvantak uses chokes and pathways so much and I didn't like Foxtrot, but those maps still look great and I can't wait to see some on the ladder  . Well I'm zerg myself, Foxtrot was a special case in the sense that when the map was made Terran was underpowered, and Foxtrot accounted for this by buffing terran a bit on inderect ways, but terran was also buffed as the season advanced meaning that Foxtrot became less and less Zerg friendly as the season advanced, atm Zerg is a bit underpowered but not that much to highly modify a map because of it, so in general you shouldn't be having too much problems on these maps even when some areas are quite narrow. Gany will probably be better for zerg than echo tho, that's normal.
Just as a minor note, he used to be Protoss. 
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hopefully echo, emerald plaza, coda and cactus valley make it into the ladder pool.
and please, please not another blizzard map.
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I am elated.
I wrote in the TLMC voting thread that I was never happy with the results of those contests because I had bad memories of Biome or that retarded lava map. This is the first time since the legendary Ohana - Cloud Kingdom - Korhal Compound top 3 (Yeonsu - Ravager - Frost was actually pretty good too) that I'm really convinced the three maps of the top 3 have high potential and sustainibility in a competitive context.
Congrats, congrats to Uvantak, you extraordinary mapmaker. I still make nightmares of Biome taking over Foxtrot Labs and Kamala Park in that shameful TLMC4. What a sweet revenge. I had voted for Ganymede but I'm totally happy with Echo. Congrats again, and I hope you keep on making those amazing maps. I loved Foxtrot Labs and would have traded it every day for the shitty maps Blizzard forced upon us this season. That map was beginning to be figured out and deserved more time on ladder/WCS.
All those maps have what it takes to be used in a competitive map pool ; the current map pool is dreadful (the only good map is Overgrowth, and even I am beginning to get sick of it) and I would have no regret if all those maps got scrapped next season. Replace them with the top 7 of that contest ? I know I'd be perfectly OK with it.
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I don't like these maps for Zerg...not at all. If this was the new 1v1 map pool, I don't know what I'd do
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Wow, congratz Uvantak. Thought your maps would place high, but did not see that coming. Really expected Cactus and Emerald to give you a run for the money.
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KTV best KT! Congrats on the first and second place finishes, you consistently make maps that are balanced and create exciting games! Also pretty, very pretty maps! I wish Foxtrot had more tenure than the one WCS season, and that Kamala coulda made the big stage cause that was pretty and exciting!
also thanks to everybody who puts effort into making these maps, you guys are literal gods tasteless.
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Canada16217 Posts
Echo most gorgeous :D
Congrats to all the winners and honorable mentions!
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Bisutopia19400 Posts
I am so happy the map I voted on finally got first!!!! Great work man!
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On February 25 2015 09:21 Caevrane wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 09:12 Uvantak wrote:On February 25 2015 09:07 Musicus wrote:Congrats Uvantak and Caevrane! Kinda scared as a zerg, since Uvantak uses chokes and pathways so much and I didn't like Foxtrot, but those maps still look great and I can't wait to see some on the ladder . Well I'm zerg myself, Foxtrot was a special case in the sense that when the map was made Terran was underpowered, and Foxtrot accounted for this by buffing terran a bit on inderect ways, but terran was also buffed as the season advanced meaning that Foxtrot became less and less Zerg friendly as the season advanced, atm Zerg is a bit underpowered but not that much to highly modify a map because of it, so in general you shouldn't be having too much problems on these maps even when some areas are quite narrow. Gany will probably be better for zerg than echo tho, that's normal. Just as a minor note, he used to be Protoss.
Well in WoL Beta. Yeah, and I still hate Stimed Marauders and Concussive because of it!
On February 25 2015 09:56 Big J wrote:
Wow, congratz Uvantak. Thought your maps would place high, but did not see that coming. Really expected Cactus and Emerald to give you a run for the money.
Oh for sure, I have said it already, I was really expecting NEP to get 1st, and Cactus Valley to get Third, second being Echo.
/edit Also glad you guys like the maps, I hope to not disappoint on TLMC#6
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o.O Adun's Shrine would have been cool, but the balance on that map would have been off the charts. On the other hand, I'm glad Ganymede won although I'm disappointed about Cactus Valley not making it. I'm still a bit meh on Echo since it promotes so much passive play and resembles Nimbus, but only time will tell.
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On February 25 2015 10:13 Uvantak wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 09:21 Caevrane wrote:On February 25 2015 09:12 Uvantak wrote:On February 25 2015 09:07 Musicus wrote:Congrats Uvantak and Caevrane! Kinda scared as a zerg, since Uvantak uses chokes and pathways so much and I didn't like Foxtrot, but those maps still look great and I can't wait to see some on the ladder . Well I'm zerg myself, Foxtrot was a special case in the sense that when the map was made Terran was underpowered, and Foxtrot accounted for this by buffing terran a bit on inderect ways, but terran was also buffed as the season advanced meaning that Foxtrot became less and less Zerg friendly as the season advanced, atm Zerg is a bit underpowered but not that much to highly modify a map because of it, so in general you shouldn't be having too much problems on these maps even when some areas are quite narrow. Gany will probably be better for zerg than echo tho, that's normal. Just as a minor note, he used to be Protoss. Well in WoL Beta. Yeah, and I still hate Stimed Marauders and Concussive because of it!
You were Protoss untill late-WoL/early-HotS. I don' remember very well, but it was arround that.
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On February 25 2015 10:21 Caevrane wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 10:13 Uvantak wrote:On February 25 2015 09:21 Caevrane wrote:On February 25 2015 09:12 Uvantak wrote:On February 25 2015 09:07 Musicus wrote:Congrats Uvantak and Caevrane! Kinda scared as a zerg, since Uvantak uses chokes and pathways so much and I didn't like Foxtrot, but those maps still look great and I can't wait to see some on the ladder . Well I'm zerg myself, Foxtrot was a special case in the sense that when the map was made Terran was underpowered, and Foxtrot accounted for this by buffing terran a bit on inderect ways, but terran was also buffed as the season advanced meaning that Foxtrot became less and less Zerg friendly as the season advanced, atm Zerg is a bit underpowered but not that much to highly modify a map because of it, so in general you shouldn't be having too much problems on these maps even when some areas are quite narrow. Gany will probably be better for zerg than echo tho, that's normal. Just as a minor note, he used to be Protoss. Well in WoL Beta. Yeah, and I still hate Stimed Marauders and Concussive because of it! You were Protoss untill late-WoL/early-HotS.
Well that doesn't make sense Caev, because during a whole lot of WoL I wasn't playing Starcraft :p
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Nice job uva, but more importantly well done voting system and voters. Sad NEP placed so low but it's not unexpected. Nonetheless we have a good winner!
For good measure:
have a look at the Melee Maps section of TeamLiquid, you don't have to post at all, just browse around and get ideas of the maps that are being done and the ideas behind them. If you don't agree with them then leave a comment with one of your alt accounts, discuss strategy with us and tell us why you consider X thing doesn't work as well as you think
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I thought echo was one of the weakest maps overall, but congrats anyway.
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On February 25 2015 08:26 -NegativeZero- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 08:11 -NegativeZero- wrote:
if emerald plaza doesn't win i'm going to slap a baby well, now i'm really feeling sorry for a couple of unfortunate parents out there Edit: Congrats to Uvantak for both 1st and 2nd place. But serious question, no offense to Caevrane, but what do people actually like about Adun's Shrine? It's a very turtly map.
That's a good question.
Edit: This is for all the finalists: http://soundjax.com/clapping-2.html
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No surprised that the "safer" maps take the pole positions. Im a bit sad that neither of the two innovative maps makes at least top 3 though. Is it possible for Cactus Valley or NEP to enter the next pool if, say, Blizzard simply likes them and decides to adopt?
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Not happy about Cactus Valley being left out, but the biggest shock to me is that Coda was so high since it's a Zerg playground. Not sure why people are shocked about Neo Emerald Plaza when it's so hard to get a third base.
Adun's Shine and Ganymede should make great spectator maps.
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Not what I was hoping to see (sorry Uvantak!) but not unexpected either. The top two manage to walk a delicate balance between the only viable map design for the game right now -- main, nat, and big open space in between -- without falling into the trap of a boring aesthetic, as a map like Cactus Valley did with its overly-obvious big, open mid (Coda kind of falls into the same trap, though it's more in-between).
Good mixture of high/low ground to mask the inevitable restriction and a lot of solid aesthetic polish. Well done Uvantak. You could easily slap 'em on ladder and see them perform well.
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
Interesting top 3. I really like Ganymede, Echo is a fine map though it surprises me it got first, and Adun's Shrine gives me too many Daybreak vibes for me to judge it fairly.
On February 25 2015 11:07 Arceus wrote:
No surprised that the "safer" maps take the pole positions. Im a bit sad that neither of the two innovative maps makes at least top 3 though. Is it possible for Cactus Valley or NEP to enter the next map if, say, Blizzard simply likes them and decides to adopt?
Yes. Blizzard has final say (which is why we weren't cursed with Biome in the ladder).
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