EPTSome people are going around making out as if though that saying 'Mana played well today' = 'Mana is so fucking good, damn Zest better watch out', something that I really don't see much evidence of.
WCS Premier Players Cannot Be Considered Good - Page 4
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26013 Posts
Some people are going around making out as if though that saying 'Mana played well today' = 'Mana is so fucking good, damn Zest better watch out', something that I really don't see much evidence of. | ||
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Deathstar
9150 Posts
so of course the general net of players in premier, or challenger, will not be quality players, but the top of premier will def be strong. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On February 20 2015 13:30 Deathstar wrote: We'll see whether a wcs premier player is good or not compared to the koreans. I think this is natural selection to see who is our top 4 "foreign hopes," who would hopefully be on a level to be able to beat someone like zest in a series. And the ro4 players will be players such as snute and naniwa, who can put up a good fight, if not win, against top koreans like herO. so of course the general net of players in premier, or challenger, will not be quality players, but the top of premier will def be strong. yes ofc the top 4 will be strong, top 4 will be korean :D (not this season, but there still is JD and Stardust (i think) who will compete in wcs as well) | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
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LastManProductions
United States252 Posts
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Beakyboo
United States485 Posts
On February 20 2015 13:56 LongShot27 wrote: Is this a joke? Are you serious? Pretty sure everyone in this thread is getting trolled, yes. No one seems to care though. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
2015 => "WCS Premier players cannot be considered good" will be proven wrong many times again and again. | ||
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CanadianSC
Canada53 Posts
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HellHound
Bulgaria5962 Posts
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Pontius Pirate
United States1557 Posts
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Footler
United States560 Posts
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CursOr
United States6335 Posts
On February 20 2015 15:00 HellHound wrote: Doesn't that demented semantical logic leave us with only 5-10 players we can actually call good? If you haven't won the GSL in the past 2 seasons, or if you lose 2-3 games of proleague, you are a bad player. Given that there are people out there that can beat you. + Show Spoiler + Seriously though, I found the WCS group (c) today to be very entertaining and well played. Even though none of the players have ever won a GSL or beat Life 3X in a row. | ||
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SAFenix
Canada439 Posts
On February 20 2015 11:24 pure.Wasted wrote: Five years after the game came out, we're still stuck with "AMAZING STORMS!!!" Calling TLO a great player doesn't even register as a blip on the radar of "goofy and not entirely accurate things casters say all the time" by comparison. Casters wanna hype. It'd be pretty boring to watch if they were like: 'Wow TLO is playing decently well against another okay player because neither are Korean. Good for TLO. He's so average.' Also, just saying. I'd love to see you land a single storm against a player like INnoVation. When Protoss can hit a good storm on a good Terran player, it really is a good storm. | ||
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
"Borderline offensive" -- really? You are clearly knowledgeable enough to know that Koreans are better, so you can safely disregard the caster hype. I'm well aware that all of the players in WCS Global (EU+AM) are shit compared to Innovation, Life, Rain, etc. so I could care less what some caster says. And why would any caster ever belittle the players in their tournament, either? Just so that they can give some no-name B-tier Koreans some credit? If anything, it's people's obsession with foreigners that you should be mad about. I personally care very little about what nationality or country of origin a player is. I care way more about how good they are. So, as a result, I don't care much for foreign hopes and my favorite players are a bunch of Koreans. Many viewers DO care about nationality, and like the idea of foreigners being good, so it only makes sense that a tournament MADE for foreigners would hype up the foreigners........ Judging from OP's past post-history, it is not unlikely that he's just a troll. But that's okay. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Also Kaelaris/Tod doesn't help either. I fear that I will have to hear their casting, just no. | ||
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RenSC2
United States1069 Posts
On February 20 2015 12:51 Fecalfeast wrote: To add to what Cricketer is saying: Imagine a world where one year the NBA decided to cancel "playoffs" as they are currently known and instead gave out some of the spots (I don't follow basketball but I'm going to imagine playoffs are the top 8 teams here) to the top highschool and college teams. These younger teams would not only get completely owned but fans of the teams that would have made it in to playoffs would be furious that their team's spot was taken by a team with 0 chance of taking the title. Now imagine calling that same 16 year old highschool player "really good" when you know he's going to be compared to NBA players in the near future and be utterly demolished Except the WCS system isn't doing that. We aren't taking the best WCS player and putting him in the GSL final. The GSL (or the S2SL) is the best league in the world. The GSL's finals are like the NBA finals. The GSL is almost exclusive to Koreans as it would take a massive commitment just to participate as a foreigner whereas any good Korean ladder player can go down to the GSL studios during the qualifiers. If you want to watch the best of the best, watch the GSL. Blizzcon is more like the Olympics. The prestige of the Olympics is NOT that it's the best competition in the world. The prestige is that you get to put a whole variety of people from all over the world on the big stage and show who's best. In many sports, that means some actual best players in the world (top 10) get eliminated at their national qualifier and don't get to compete. Blizzcon will still be fun for what it is, just like the Olympics. And any top 10 Korean should still make it if he proves it through results. It's the guys 11-16 that may miss out. The new WCS system actually looks good. It provides an incentive to get good as a foreigner because the peak is more obtainable. It allows infrastructure to be built by giving lowly foreigners a little exposure on a big stage (where sponsors notice them). That could someday lead to foreigners having legitimate team houses centered on a studio for a real team league. In the meantime, WCS will be like Major League Soccer or a Russian Basketball League. They're good and entertaining in their own way, but they're not the absolute best. | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On February 20 2015 12:22 Circumstance wrote: If you get to contend for a place in a league considered the gold standard of the world because of where you were born and where you live, getting a chance to achieve your full potential due to that while the few full-time foreigners have to work twice as hard to make half the progress, then no, "Korean Pros Cannot Be Considered Hard-Working". What study states foreigners work twice as hard as Koreans? | ||
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virpi
Germany3599 Posts
I've had a very good time watching group C yesterday. Especially Mana's cheeky builds were really entertaining. I honestly don't give a shit about who is playing, what I want to see are good games. And NA / EU pro gamers are definitely capable of producing very entertaining material. Hell, I might have been trolled by the OP, but who cares. Long live TLO, optimizer of hotkey setups and user of questionable strategies. May he always build the nydus instead of 10 more roaches. | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
I don't follow that, hell I got into watching competitive SC2 watching Moonglade win IEM V: SEA . Was that on a level with Koreans? Probably not. Did I care? No. Some of the most fun I've had were watching the old European ShoutCraft Invitations with TB and Apollo casting, no Koreans to be seen. Does it really matter if they're not on a level with the top Koreans? Who is? | ||
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