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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
On February 22 2015 09:08 Darthsanta13 wrote: I will argue that in the same way that we aren't allowed to call anyone except life or parting good anymore, we are no longer allowed to call any threads bad while this crown jewel of threads exists hahaha you gave me a good laugh! | ||
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Tuczniak
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On February 22 2015 09:40 Tuczniak wrote: Anyone that's not top5 player in the world should be called scrub, average or loser. It wouldn't be fair otherwise. I would rather live in a world where we can call people scrub, average, or loser than pretend everyone is good forever. I rather cheer a player through a terrible slump while acknowledging that he's playing like garbage than listen to bullshit hype and bandwagoning. | ||
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
On February 22 2015 10:03 Caihead wrote: I would rather live in a world where we can call people scrub, average, or loser than pretend everyone is good forever. I rather cheer a player through a terrible slump while acknowledging that he's playing like garbage than listen to bullshit hype and bandwagoning. I think it's safe to say that a majority of viewers, and particularly the newer ones, would prefer otherwise. It's okay to be partially critical of players, but it's never a good idea to talk poorly about a player in your tournament... It's pretty much a casters role to hype up actions and players, though. So, if it really bothers you, I think the mute button would be the place to go. I know I find most of the commentary rather useless, so I often just listen to my own music instead. Sometimes I don't mind hearing what they have to say, though (usually with Protoss, as I don't understand P as well as T/Z). | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13982 Posts
On February 22 2015 10:03 Caihead wrote: I would rather live in a world where we can call people scrub, average, or loser than pretend everyone is good forever. I rather cheer a player through a terrible slump while acknowledging that he's playing like garbage than listen to bullshit hype and bandwagoning. I agree with this, but I can see how it could look bad especially to new viewers if casters said what we are saying to ourselves. Recall how annoying artosis was when soO played TaeJa, now imagine if taeja was playing bly instead and was crushing him. It wouldnt look good if casters bashed Bly etc... | ||
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midnight999
United States257 Posts
On February 20 2015 10:06 Powerfoe wrote: WCS Premier is not the same calibre as GSL or NSSL, so those players should be held in a lesser regard. Way to state the obvious, lol. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
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Jacenoob
299 Posts
Because the topic is quite relevant. With "World Championship Series - Premier" it sounds like World Class players would be playing. And that is definetely not the case - there are ForGG, Snute and Polt and even they are only Top15 if you are generous. Rest is just not World Class. | ||
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feebleFanfare
76 Posts
If this were a major issue, it would mean that large portions of the audience/community believe that foreigners are as good as Koreans. I just don't think that's the case. Whether it's long posts on TL or people saying "full foreigner lol" in Twitch chat, everyone clearly knows who the best are. We're capable of appreciating people's skill and getting excited about their matches without pretending they're the best in the world. | ||
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Cheren
United States2911 Posts
And I think that's where the debate is coming from. You don't really see baseball fans calling the team in last place "good", but they likely haven't played any baseball at a competitive level in years, if at all, and I think the same is true of any physical sport. But as a Starcraft II fan, or as a fan of any esport, you can hop on the ladder right after the game is on and completely and utterly fail to be even half as good as the worst professional player. And so you just call everyone good, because they are, compared to you. The one thing this thread mostly seems to agree on is that "good" is a relative term. | ||
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Thyrym
89 Posts
Good Best Fine | ||
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
In Champions League you will watch the highest level games. And still World Cup is awesome. I don't get the OP. You must hate the Olympic games. | ||
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
On February 20 2015 10:14 trumpet43 wrote: The problem with this argument is that in suggests that to be good one must be able to go toe to toe with the top Koreans. This is not a fair judgement at all, especially since these foreigners are amazing at the game compared to people who do not play competitively. They are even quite close competitively with Koreans at times. When we say "Wow that guy is great!" in WCS it is true that that doesn't mean they can beat top Koreans necessarily, but it does mean they are consistently dominant in WCS against their peers. That means that we absolutely can call them good, amazing, etc. . Pretty much this, if we go to a local hockey/soccer/baseball/whatever match we probably won't whine about casters calling players "good" even though they are not as good as the absolute best players in the world. Everyone is not compared to the best of the world thats just a ridiculous notion, TLO, Mana or whoever european is probably within the 100 best players of SC2 in the world period. Thinking about how many people there are in the world I think calling that great or amazing is pretty much right on the money. Players are judged depending on their environment, if they were at a small lan they would be god, in WCS they are great in korea they would be mediocre at best. | ||
Waxangel
United States33432 Posts
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OnegameClub
Philippines18 Posts
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
I mean, I am nowhere near a fan of the exodus we had here in Germany, but bitching without any more serious argument then "WCS is named WCS thats so stupid, no koreans, plox!" is just not that kind of Argument, when the everything in the WCS (also GSL and NSL) lead to the global playoffs, where, per usuall, 15 or 16 koreans will play it out. | ||
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