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LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
February 11 2015 21:10 GMT
#181
They have one of the most BM SMITE teams out there, and MC, I think they're going for notoriety
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
Detri
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom683 Posts
February 11 2015 22:35 GMT
#182
Well I hope everything is actually legit.

put the pitchforks down until they actually do something shady.
The poor are thieves, beggars and whores, the rich are politicians, solicitors and courtesans...
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-11 22:59:07
February 11 2015 22:35 GMT
#183
On February 12 2015 05:10 OtherWorld wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Ok I did some additional research without much success, most of what I find is in Swedish and Google translate indicates that it's just standard business bullshit of buying/selling/merging companies. The most interesting things I found :
-so basically the guys behind Trig, Anthony Norman (Swedish, 40 yo) and Phillip Cook (British, 60 yo), seem to buy parts of companies and then make money from it, most of the time by persuading rich people to throw money at them and then using the money for themselves (and then make sure legal issues/people complaining about not being payed fall on the rich people they persuaded to give money at them). Since it'll be important for later, notice that Norman is the CEO of Viral Angels.

-Phillip Cook lived/lives in the United Arab Emirates after crashing in the financial market in the UK. This probably explains the "we'll do some shit in Dubai" thing.

-Trig is NOT a new company. According to this, this and that and as far as I can understand this, the Trig Media Group was created in 2003 and changed its name three times, while Trig Social Media and Trig Entertainment (two brands owned by said Trig Media Group) were both created in 2009.

-Looking at the list of people involved in Norman-related companies leads to a lot of various people, ranging from total unknowns on the Internet to a Swedish count & countess.

-Concerning what exactly is Trig in terms of what they are selling, I'll link to this reddit post although I'd add that while there are big names among the shops signed up with them, some are more limited than the first look tends to give (like the "Nike" listed is in fact Nike Brazil and Nike Brazil only).

-Let's have a look (and a laugh !) at the Board of Directors : we have here Anthony Norman, Ruben Amaryan (who was "CEO and Chairman of the Board of the largest telecom company in Russia" ; and we all know CEOs of large companies in Russia usually means very, very shady business), Juan Carlos Castro Fernandez, about whom I found literally nothing interesting, and Lars Hellewig, former lawyer who is also member of the board of two companies, Aerial Drone System Scandinavia AB and E Sport Challenge ESP AB. And here you'll have a laugh : look at this and this. These are the only relevant things (allabolag.se gives underwhelming results to say the least : here and here) that come on Google when searching informations about these two companies. Notice how the website, Fortune6000 doesn't look shady at all ; it advertises ONLY brands related to Norman/Viral Angels, both posts have no date, and, best of the best, this totally-not-shady and very professional quote : "Did you know that ESports is five times bigger than soccer? There are 1,6 billion gamers worldwide. 700 million of those play online. That’s just a few of many numbers that proves how lucrative this market is. Our listed company E Sport Challenge has a unique product and service that’s not yet available on the market. Don’t miss the special limited offer coming from this company. This is an opportunity you don’t want to miss. It’s an exclusive offer to all Viral Angels members."
e : another good quote, from the Aerial Drone post this time : "You might have seen that NASA is copying our ambitions for a flight control system comparable to the commercial airspace systems."

-Obviously but I hadn't thought of that, there are no other publication about them apart from what themselves published. Like you would think that something with a potential as huge as what they describe would get some attention from public media. They don't have any jobs listing too, which is kinda surprising for a company that want to create a social network.

-The only good things that seem to go for them is that their advisors look kinda legit, but I am a complete noob in this field so it may be bullshit.

-So, yeah, now, my opinion : apparently what Trig pretends to do is to make a social network in the most classical way possible (with totally absurd self-imposed rules for a company that intends to make a lot of money), added to the TrigMoney thing, and that is supposed to earn them enough money to build arenas in Dubai and have a major eSports event here in the first half of 2015. No shit. And on top of that, they recruited eSports players while they have honestly little interest in sponsoring them since they don't sell products (but then again Bison sponsors mYi and a hockey team, so yeah). In all honesty I have no idea if Norman&friends went crazy and think they can make a lot of money in eSports or if (more likely) they'll try to make money off of this like they did with previous companies.

Now the thing I'd like to do would be to phone call Norman or at least the phone numbers associated to his companies, but I don't have the time nor the money to do that T_T

edit : oh yeah I forgot, the corporate adress of Norman indicated on Bloomberg is this : https://www.google.com/maps/place/Vikdalsgränd 10, 131 40 Nacka, Sweden/@59.31228,18.156958,3a,69.2y,37.54h,99.23t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s2JmeVsqYq25QjtqMlm-d2Q!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x465f7878bd7972d1:0x94f52bb5595e7048!6m1!1e1

edit² : added another laughable quote from Hellewig's companies


This is what Mint shows for Anthony Norman (Thailand)
This name is the same, or similar to, a risk relevant name in the LexisNexis WorldCompliance database


So he's gone for Thai nationality and he's a "risk relevant name".

Apparently Real Point Investment AB owns 69% of Trig Media Group AB which owns 74.79% of Trig Social Media, based on the Xetra listing.
Real Point Investment AB used to be called Cellpoint and has a website, www.gomobile.se
Cellpoint Connect AB was delisted on 27/1/2014 and renamed sometime around March 2014 to Real Point, which is a property investor and developer.
Cellpoint Connect was to do with phones and communications.

Mr Ramon Mazumdar is CEO of Real Point.

Trig Media Group also acquired Millioo/Zebraplace which is a "Sweden based online transaction commission collection and donations services provider".
HOLY CHECK!
Aando
Profile Joined August 2011
1304 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-11 22:56:18
February 11 2015 22:48 GMT
#184
On February 12 2015 05:10 OtherWorld wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

Ok I did some additional research without much success, most of what I find is in Swedish and Google translate indicates that it's just standard business bullshit of buying/selling/merging companies. The most interesting things I found :
-so basically the guys behind Trig, Anthony Norman (Swedish, 40 yo) and Phillip Cook (British, 60 yo), seem to buy parts of companies and then make money from it, most of the time by persuading rich people to throw money at them and then using the money for themselves (and then make sure legal issues/people complaining about not being payed fall on the rich people they persuaded to give money at them). Since it'll be important for later, notice that Norman is the CEO of Viral Angels.

-Phillip Cook lived/lives in the United Arab Emirates after crashing in the financial market in the UK. This probably explains the "we'll do some shit in Dubai" thing.

-Trig is NOT a new company. According to this, this and that and as far as I can understand this, the Trig Media Group was created in 2003 and changed its name three times, while Trig Social Media and Trig Entertainment (two brands owned by said Trig Media Group) were both created in 2009.

-Looking at the list of people involved in Norman-related companies leads to a lot of various people, ranging from total unknowns on the Internet to a Swedish count & countess.

-Concerning what exactly is Trig in terms of what they are selling, I'll link to this reddit post although I'd add that while there are big names among the shops signed up with them, some are more limited than the first look tends to give (like the "Nike" listed is in fact Nike Brazil and Nike Brazil only).

-Let's have a look (and a laugh !) at the Board of Directors : we have here Anthony Norman, Ruben Amaryan (who was "CEO and Chairman of the Board of the largest telecom company in Russia" ; and we all know CEOs of large companies in Russia usually means very, very shady business), Juan Carlos Castro Fernandez, about whom I found literally nothing interesting, and Lars Hellewig, former lawyer who is also member of the board of two companies, Aerial Drone System Scandinavia AB and E Sport Challenge ESP AB. And here you'll have a laugh : look at this and this. These are the only relevant things (allabolag.se gives underwhelming results to say the least : here and here) that come on Google when searching informations about these two companies. Notice how the website, Fortune6000 doesn't look shady at all ; it advertises ONLY brands related to Norman/Viral Angels, both posts have no date, and, best of the best, this totally-not-shady and very professional quote : "Did you know that ESports is five times bigger than soccer? There are 1,6 billion gamers worldwide. 700 million of those play online. That’s just a few of many numbers that proves how lucrative this market is. Our listed company E Sport Challenge has a unique product and service that’s not yet available on the market. Don’t miss the special limited offer coming from this company. This is an opportunity you don’t want to miss. It’s an exclusive offer to all Viral Angels members."
e : another good quote, from the Aerial Drone post this time : "You might have seen that NASA is copying our ambitions for a flight control system comparable to the commercial airspace systems."

-Obviously but I hadn't thought of that, there are no other publication about them apart from what themselves published. Like you would think that something with a potential as huge as what they describe would get some attention from public media. They don't have any jobs listing too, which is kinda surprising for a company that want to create a social network.

-The only good things that seem to go for them is that their advisors look kinda legit, but I am a complete noob in this field so it may be bullshit.

-So, yeah, now, my opinion : apparently what Trig pretends to do is to make a social network in the most classical way possible (with totally absurd self-imposed rules for a company that intends to make a lot of money), added to the TrigMoney thing, and that is supposed to earn them enough money to build arenas in Dubai and have a major eSports event here in the first half of 2015. No shit. And on top of that, they recruited eSports players while they have honestly little interest in sponsoring them since they don't sell products (but then again Bison sponsors mYi and a hockey team, so yeah). In all honesty I have no idea if Norman&friends went crazy and think they can make a lot of money in eSports or if (more likely) they'll try to make money off of this like they did with previous companies.

Now the thing I'd like to do would be to phone call Norman or at least the phone numbers associated to his companies, but I don't have the time nor the money to do that T_T

edit : oh yeah I forgot, the corporate adress of Norman indicated on Bloomberg is this : https://www.google.com/maps/place/Vikdalsgränd 10, 131 40 Nacka, Sweden/@59.31228,18.156958,3a,69.2y,37.54h,99.23t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s2JmeVsqYq25QjtqMlm-d2Q!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x465f7878bd7972d1:0x94f52bb5595e7048!6m1!1e1

edit² : added another laughable quote from Hellewig's companies

Haha, what a coincidence. A friend of mine were in prison at the same time as an attorney that now works for Redwise Advokatbyrå AB from the advisors page. He did time for... I think the English word is embezzlement (grov förskingring). I don't know any details about the case and this was maybe 8 years ago. Just a little anecdote.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10751 Posts
February 11 2015 23:05 GMT
#185
On February 12 2015 04:38 Waxangel wrote:
Unleash the TL detectives!


My thoughts exactly!
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ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
February 11 2015 23:13 GMT
#186
Hey hey, calm down guys. Just because these people are probably criminals, it doesn't mean this is bad for e-sports.
Cogito, ergo toss.
salle
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Sweden5554 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-11 23:26:38
February 11 2015 23:25 GMT
#187
So I just started to google a little bit to see who these people are.
I started with Maria Hellrådh Röhman phone number but the result it came back with was the same as I got when I searched for Phillip Cook's phone number. This gave me the company name of "Enwire" and a google search for enwire gave me quite a lot of warning flags of a very shady company.

So it all started with a service/company called Spinglo that then turned into Enwire who then were about to go public but something happened and they dropped off but wait.... Enwire's facebook page shows that they turned into Trig.

The two first links people do post about that these are scams, these are forums online though so who knows if it's true but worth looking into, especially if you plan to do business with Trig. I would say.

(oh and also some more info since the company's legal name is not Enwire AB but Social Media Investmens Nordic AB. This site gives a pretty good connection between different companies and people, for example Anthony Norman)
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turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
February 11 2015 23:28 GMT
#188
On February 12 2015 05:10 OtherWorld wrote:
another good quote, from the Aerial Drone post this time : "You might have seen that NASA is copying our ambitions for a flight control system comparable to the commercial airspace systems."



isnt this a quote from the wolf of wall street?
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
February 12 2015 00:41 GMT
#189
To me, he'll always be oGs.MC
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
February 12 2015 00:49 GMT
#190
On February 12 2015 09:41 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
To me, he'll always be oGs.MC

Yup

The name somehow seems more appropriate now than it did before they disbanded
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ukiya2004
Profile Joined March 2014
199 Posts
February 12 2015 00:52 GMT
#191
This is dumb. MC should be going into a Proleague team, like KT Rolster/Jinair Greenwings
fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
February 12 2015 01:06 GMT
#192
On February 12 2015 09:52 ukiya2004 wrote:
This is dumb. MC should be going into a Proleague team, like KT Rolster/Jinair Greenwings


I assume that MC feels his best chance for a blizzcon spot is to find a team willing to send him to all the international tournaments. Total assumption on my part.
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ukiya2004
Profile Joined March 2014
199 Posts
February 12 2015 01:19 GMT
#193
On February 12 2015 10:06 fruity. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2015 09:52 ukiya2004 wrote:
This is dumb. MC should be going into a Proleague team, like KT Rolster/Jinair Greenwings


I assume that MC feels his best chance for a blizzcon spot is to find a team willing to send him to all the international tournaments. Total assumption on my part.



I disagree. His best chance for a blizzcon spot is to improve himself back to S-tier by training with a well-established Proleague team and winning GSL/SSL/Kespa cup/Hot6ix. And the occasional overseas tournaments.

No point going to international tournaments if you are just going to get wasted in the early rounds by better players
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
February 12 2015 01:55 GMT
#194
On February 12 2015 10:19 ukiya2004 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2015 10:06 fruity. wrote:
On February 12 2015 09:52 ukiya2004 wrote:
This is dumb. MC should be going into a Proleague team, like KT Rolster/Jinair Greenwings


I assume that MC feels his best chance for a blizzcon spot is to find a team willing to send him to all the international tournaments. Total assumption on my part.



I disagree. His best chance for a blizzcon spot is to improve himself back to S-tier by training with a well-established Proleague team and winning GSL/SSL/Kespa cup/Hot6ix. And the occasional overseas tournaments.

No point going to international tournaments if you are just going to get wasted in the early rounds by better players


mmm but at the same time, he wont be able to get enough WCS points if he joins a Korean team and plays just in Korea. So on one hand you have at least a chance to get in by playing in a lot of events, while on the other you have 0 chance to get in this year.
Long term joining a Korean team is probably better but what if MC doesnt care about the long term.
ilikeredheads
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1995 Posts
February 12 2015 02:06 GMT
#195
i hope this is not just one big elaborate laundering scheme.
Time will tell, time will tell...

best of luck to MC
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
February 12 2015 02:38 GMT
#196
On February 12 2015 08:13 ClueClueClue wrote:
Hey hey, calm down guys. Just because these people are probably criminals, it doesn't mean this is bad for e-sports.


as long as MC gets his cash monay, it's all good


but that's the concern lol
rip passion
Orcasgt24
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3238 Posts
February 12 2015 04:43 GMT
#197
TL's ability to decern information on obscure companies and pull all kinds of crazy information on random people scares me.

MC, cash first. Make them earn your trust...
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itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9178 Posts
February 12 2015 04:45 GMT
#198
guys. anything is possible!
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 12 2015 04:45 GMT
#199
On February 12 2015 09:52 ukiya2004 wrote:
This is dumb. MC should be going into a Proleague team, like KT Rolster/Jinair Greenwings

That is the antithesis of what MC is. He exists to rake in that sweet sweet IEM/DH/HSC cash
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Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
February 12 2015 05:17 GMT
#200
Boss Toss, get paid.
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