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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
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Detri
United Kingdom683 Posts
put the pitchforks down until they actually do something shady. | ||
Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
On February 12 2015 05:10 OtherWorld wrote: + Show Spoiler + Ok I did some additional research without much success, most of what I find is in Swedish and Google translate indicates that it's just standard business bullshit of buying/selling/merging companies. The most interesting things I found : -so basically the guys behind Trig, Anthony Norman (Swedish, 40 yo) and Phillip Cook (British, 60 yo), seem to buy parts of companies and then make money from it, most of the time by persuading rich people to throw money at them and then using the money for themselves (and then make sure legal issues/people complaining about not being payed fall on the rich people they persuaded to give money at them). Since it'll be important for later, notice that Norman is the CEO of Viral Angels. -Phillip Cook lived/lives in the United Arab Emirates after crashing in the financial market in the UK. This probably explains the "we'll do some shit in Dubai" thing. -Trig is NOT a new company. According to this, this and that and as far as I can understand this, the Trig Media Group was created in 2003 and changed its name three times, while Trig Social Media and Trig Entertainment (two brands owned by said Trig Media Group) were both created in 2009. -Looking at the list of people involved in Norman-related companies leads to a lot of various people, ranging from total unknowns on the Internet to a Swedish count & countess. -Concerning what exactly is Trig in terms of what they are selling, I'll link to this reddit post although I'd add that while there are big names among the shops signed up with them, some are more limited than the first look tends to give (like the "Nike" listed is in fact Nike Brazil and Nike Brazil only). -Let's have a look (and a laugh !) at the Board of Directors : we have here Anthony Norman, Ruben Amaryan (who was "CEO and Chairman of the Board of the largest telecom company in Russia" ; and we all know CEOs of large companies in Russia usually means very, very shady business), Juan Carlos Castro Fernandez, about whom I found literally nothing interesting, and Lars Hellewig, former lawyer who is also member of the board of two companies, Aerial Drone System Scandinavia AB and E Sport Challenge ESP AB. And here you'll have a laugh : look at this and this. These are the only relevant things (allabolag.se gives underwhelming results to say the least : here and here) that come on Google when searching informations about these two companies. Notice how the website, Fortune6000 doesn't look shady at all ; it advertises ONLY brands related to Norman/Viral Angels, both posts have no date, and, best of the best, this totally-not-shady and very professional quote : "Did you know that ESports is five times bigger than soccer? There are 1,6 billion gamers worldwide. 700 million of those play online. That’s just a few of many numbers that proves how lucrative this market is. Our listed company E Sport Challenge has a unique product and service that’s not yet available on the market. Don’t miss the special limited offer coming from this company. This is an opportunity you don’t want to miss. It’s an exclusive offer to all Viral Angels members." e : another good quote, from the Aerial Drone post this time : "You might have seen that NASA is copying our ambitions for a flight control system comparable to the commercial airspace systems." -Obviously but I hadn't thought of that, there are no other publication about them apart from what themselves published. Like you would think that something with a potential as huge as what they describe would get some attention from public media. They don't have any jobs listing too, which is kinda surprising for a company that want to create a social network. -The only good things that seem to go for them is that their advisors look kinda legit, but I am a complete noob in this field so it may be bullshit. -So, yeah, now, my opinion : apparently what Trig pretends to do is to make a social network in the most classical way possible (with totally absurd self-imposed rules for a company that intends to make a lot of money), added to the TrigMoney thing, and that is supposed to earn them enough money to build arenas in Dubai and have a major eSports event here in the first half of 2015. No shit. And on top of that, they recruited eSports players while they have honestly little interest in sponsoring them since they don't sell products (but then again Bison sponsors mYi and a hockey team, so yeah). In all honesty I have no idea if Norman&friends went crazy and think they can make a lot of money in eSports or if (more likely) they'll try to make money off of this like they did with previous companies. Now the thing I'd like to do would be to phone call Norman or at least the phone numbers associated to his companies, but I don't have the time nor the money to do that T_T edit : oh yeah I forgot, the corporate adress of Norman indicated on Bloomberg is this : https://www.google.com/maps/place/Vikdalsgränd 10, 131 40 Nacka, Sweden/@59.31228,18.156958,3a,69.2y,37.54h,99.23t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s2JmeVsqYq25QjtqMlm-d2Q!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x465f7878bd7972d1:0x94f52bb5595e7048!6m1!1e1 edit² : added another laughable quote from Hellewig's companies This is what Mint shows for Anthony Norman (Thailand) This name is the same, or similar to, a risk relevant name in the LexisNexis WorldCompliance database So he's gone for Thai nationality and he's a "risk relevant name". Apparently Real Point Investment AB owns 69% of Trig Media Group AB which owns 74.79% of Trig Social Media, based on the Xetra listing. Real Point Investment AB used to be called Cellpoint and has a website, www.gomobile.se Cellpoint Connect AB was delisted on 27/1/2014 and renamed sometime around March 2014 to Real Point, which is a property investor and developer. Cellpoint Connect was to do with phones and communications. Mr Ramon Mazumdar is CEO of Real Point. Trig Media Group also acquired Millioo/Zebraplace which is a "Sweden based online transaction commission collection and donations services provider". | ||
Aando
1304 Posts
On February 12 2015 05:10 OtherWorld wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Ok I did some additional research without much success, most of what I find is in Swedish and Google translate indicates that it's just standard business bullshit of buying/selling/merging companies. The most interesting things I found : -so basically the guys behind Trig, Anthony Norman (Swedish, 40 yo) and Phillip Cook (British, 60 yo), seem to buy parts of companies and then make money from it, most of the time by persuading rich people to throw money at them and then using the money for themselves (and then make sure legal issues/people complaining about not being payed fall on the rich people they persuaded to give money at them). Since it'll be important for later, notice that Norman is the CEO of Viral Angels. -Phillip Cook lived/lives in the United Arab Emirates after crashing in the financial market in the UK. This probably explains the "we'll do some shit in Dubai" thing. -Trig is NOT a new company. According to this, this and that and as far as I can understand this, the Trig Media Group was created in 2003 and changed its name three times, while Trig Social Media and Trig Entertainment (two brands owned by said Trig Media Group) were both created in 2009. -Looking at the list of people involved in Norman-related companies leads to a lot of various people, ranging from total unknowns on the Internet to a Swedish count & countess. -Concerning what exactly is Trig in terms of what they are selling, I'll link to this reddit post although I'd add that while there are big names among the shops signed up with them, some are more limited than the first look tends to give (like the "Nike" listed is in fact Nike Brazil and Nike Brazil only). -Let's have a look (and a laugh !) at the Board of Directors : we have here Anthony Norman, Ruben Amaryan (who was "CEO and Chairman of the Board of the largest telecom company in Russia" ; and we all know CEOs of large companies in Russia usually means very, very shady business), Juan Carlos Castro Fernandez, about whom I found literally nothing interesting, and Lars Hellewig, former lawyer who is also member of the board of two companies, Aerial Drone System Scandinavia AB and E Sport Challenge ESP AB. And here you'll have a laugh : look at this and this. These are the only relevant things (allabolag.se gives underwhelming results to say the least : here and here) that come on Google when searching informations about these two companies. Notice how the website, Fortune6000 doesn't look shady at all ; it advertises ONLY brands related to Norman/Viral Angels, both posts have no date, and, best of the best, this totally-not-shady and very professional quote : "Did you know that ESports is five times bigger than soccer? There are 1,6 billion gamers worldwide. 700 million of those play online. That’s just a few of many numbers that proves how lucrative this market is. Our listed company E Sport Challenge has a unique product and service that’s not yet available on the market. Don’t miss the special limited offer coming from this company. This is an opportunity you don’t want to miss. It’s an exclusive offer to all Viral Angels members." e : another good quote, from the Aerial Drone post this time : "You might have seen that NASA is copying our ambitions for a flight control system comparable to the commercial airspace systems." -Obviously but I hadn't thought of that, there are no other publication about them apart from what themselves published. Like you would think that something with a potential as huge as what they describe would get some attention from public media. They don't have any jobs listing too, which is kinda surprising for a company that want to create a social network. -The only good things that seem to go for them is that their advisors look kinda legit, but I am a complete noob in this field so it may be bullshit. -So, yeah, now, my opinion : apparently what Trig pretends to do is to make a social network in the most classical way possible (with totally absurd self-imposed rules for a company that intends to make a lot of money), added to the TrigMoney thing, and that is supposed to earn them enough money to build arenas in Dubai and have a major eSports event here in the first half of 2015. No shit. And on top of that, they recruited eSports players while they have honestly little interest in sponsoring them since they don't sell products (but then again Bison sponsors mYi and a hockey team, so yeah). In all honesty I have no idea if Norman&friends went crazy and think they can make a lot of money in eSports or if (more likely) they'll try to make money off of this like they did with previous companies. Now the thing I'd like to do would be to phone call Norman or at least the phone numbers associated to his companies, but I don't have the time nor the money to do that T_T edit : oh yeah I forgot, the corporate adress of Norman indicated on Bloomberg is this : https://www.google.com/maps/place/Vikdalsgränd 10, 131 40 Nacka, Sweden/@59.31228,18.156958,3a,69.2y,37.54h,99.23t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s2JmeVsqYq25QjtqMlm-d2Q!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x465f7878bd7972d1:0x94f52bb5595e7048!6m1!1e1 edit² : added another laughable quote from Hellewig's companies Haha, what a coincidence. A friend of mine were in prison at the same time as an attorney that now works for Redwise Advokatbyrå AB from the advisors page. He did time for... I think the English word is embezzlement (grov förskingring). I don't know any details about the case and this was maybe 8 years ago. Just a little anecdote. | ||
TelecoM
United States10666 Posts
On February 12 2015 04:38 Waxangel wrote: Unleash the TL detectives! My thoughts exactly! | ||
ClueClueClue
Sweden1203 Posts
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salle
Sweden5554 Posts
I started with Maria Hellrådh Röhman phone number but the result it came back with was the same as I got when I searched for Phillip Cook's phone number. This gave me the company name of "Enwire" and a google search for enwire gave me quite a lot of warning flags of a very shady company. So it all started with a service/company called Spinglo that then turned into Enwire who then were about to go public but something happened and they dropped off but wait.... Enwire's facebook page shows that they turned into Trig. The two first links people do post about that these are scams, these are forums online though so who knows if it's true but worth looking into, especially if you plan to do business with Trig. I would say. (oh and also some more info since the company's legal name is not Enwire AB but Social Media Investmens Nordic AB. This site gives a pretty good connection between different companies and people, for example Anthony Norman) | ||
turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On February 12 2015 05:10 OtherWorld wrote: another good quote, from the Aerial Drone post this time : "You might have seen that NASA is copying our ambitions for a flight control system comparable to the commercial airspace systems." isnt this a quote from the wolf of wall street? | ||
SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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Aveng3r
United States2411 Posts
On February 12 2015 09:41 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: To me, he'll always be oGs.MC Yup The name somehow seems more appropriate now than it did before they disbanded | ||
ukiya2004
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fruity.
England1711 Posts
On February 12 2015 09:52 ukiya2004 wrote: This is dumb. MC should be going into a Proleague team, like KT Rolster/Jinair Greenwings I assume that MC feels his best chance for a blizzcon spot is to find a team willing to send him to all the international tournaments. Total assumption on my part. | ||
ukiya2004
199 Posts
On February 12 2015 10:06 fruity. wrote: I assume that MC feels his best chance for a blizzcon spot is to find a team willing to send him to all the international tournaments. Total assumption on my part. I disagree. His best chance for a blizzcon spot is to improve himself back to S-tier by training with a well-established Proleague team and winning GSL/SSL/Kespa cup/Hot6ix. And the occasional overseas tournaments. No point going to international tournaments if you are just going to get wasted in the early rounds by better players | ||
ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On February 12 2015 10:19 ukiya2004 wrote: I disagree. His best chance for a blizzcon spot is to improve himself back to S-tier by training with a well-established Proleague team and winning GSL/SSL/Kespa cup/Hot6ix. And the occasional overseas tournaments. No point going to international tournaments if you are just going to get wasted in the early rounds by better players mmm but at the same time, he wont be able to get enough WCS points if he joins a Korean team and plays just in Korea. So on one hand you have at least a chance to get in by playing in a lot of events, while on the other you have 0 chance to get in this year. Long term joining a Korean team is probably better but what if MC doesnt care about the long term. | ||
ilikeredheads
Canada1995 Posts
Time will tell, time will tell... best of luck to MC | ||
Deathstar
9150 Posts
On February 12 2015 08:13 ClueClueClue wrote: Hey hey, calm down guys. Just because these people are probably criminals, it doesn't mean this is bad for e-sports. as long as MC gets his cash monay, it's all good but that's the concern lol | ||
Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
MC, cash first. Make them earn your trust... | ||
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itsjustatank
Hong Kong9152 Posts
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On February 12 2015 09:52 ukiya2004 wrote: This is dumb. MC should be going into a Proleague team, like KT Rolster/Jinair Greenwings That is the antithesis of what MC is. He exists to rake in that sweet sweet IEM/DH/HSC cash | ||
Loophole
United States867 Posts
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