I've never heard of that team before, but I guess they pay 3k?
MC joins Trig eSports
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Alchemik
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I've never heard of that team before, but I guess they pay 3k? | ||
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Oh god, they have Trig TV... | ||
OtherWorld
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But well, good luck to them and to MC. It's pretty nice to see teams from other games invest in SC2 (: | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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+ Show Spoiler + damn wrong thread -.- | ||
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On February 11 2015 23:37 The_Templar wrote: Not expected. Hopefully they are legit but their website is... well... The only good thing is that they're sponsoring a LoL team that looks decent on paper with known names. | ||
FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
They have also one FIFA15 player and he is apparently the world champion. Might be really legit | ||
OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On February 11 2015 23:36 Aeromi wrote: Weird team. At least they're "transparent" (as in, we know what they do to gain money and who they are) : http://tsm.trig.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Trig-Social-Media-AB-Annual-report-2013-ENG.pdf http://tsm.trig.com/managing-board/ http://tsm.trig.com/trig-social-media-ab/ | ||
CamoPillbox
Czech Republic229 Posts
Madeleine “Maddelisk” Leander as consultant and expert. Rip MC he will be punished for his jokes .......Drama coming soon.... Sad for MC he was forced to take solo place in some unknown organisation for SC2 fans as their only SC2 player too still money is money i hope they will pay him well. | ||
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Musicus
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The Pro Gamer Team Esport circuit ("The PGT circuit") Trig esports has the ambition to set up an esports world tour organized similarly to the Formula one circus with monthly events in the major capitals across Europe and Asia. During 2015 Trig will obtain proof of concept by hosting three major events in Dubai. Each event will go on for four days covering major disciplines of esports. So ambitious and a ton of money to throw around, whith nobody knowing what they do. This seems familiar and likely to fail. | ||
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Alchemik
Poland7124 Posts
On February 11 2015 23:38 sAsImre wrote: The only good thing is that they're sponsoring a LoL team that looks decent on paper with known names. well, they just started sponsoring that as well seems so and have like ~100 twitter followers, so no-one knows them I guess | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On February 11 2015 23:41 xdevilx2 wrote: They also plan to build an arena. ahahaha, their site entertains me heavily I have to say, one thing better than the other | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On February 11 2015 23:40 Musicus wrote: So ambitious and a ton of money to throw around, whith nobody knowing what they do. This seems familiar and likely to fail. In before it's azubu behind it :D | ||
lestye
United States4149 Posts
On February 11 2015 23:39 CamoPillbox wrote: Trig eSports advisers: Madeleine “Maddelisk” Leander as consultant and expert. Rip MC he will be punished for his jokes .......Drama coming soon.... Sad for MC he was forced to take solo place in some unknown organisation for SC2 fans as their only SC2 player too still money is money i hope they will pay him well. There are some some huge A-list LoL pickups. I think the money at least is legit. | ||
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
that's pretty cool | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
To meet the demand from this market, Trig will start a professional esports team, produce and stream a new reality TV-series and build the worlds first dedicated esports arena in a suitable location. Trig has great ambitions and aim at taking an overall grip on the whole fragmented esport business. KeSPA reloaded? | ||
oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Lol, so it's basically Swedish social network, which is 8 years old or something. | ||
imre
France9263 Posts
KeSPA didn't start from the scratch (and didn't sponsored 97th tier footballers in India) | ||
Boucot
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
. . . Seems legit ![]() Edit: And they aim at taking an overall grip on the whole fragmented esport business. ahahaha | ||
imre
France9263 Posts
On February 11 2015 23:47 Musicus wrote: So they not only have that team now, they will produce 3 different esports TV shows, have their own Trig TV streaming platform, will build a dedicated esports arena and launch their own world tour circuit with 3 major events in Dubai. All this year. . . . Seems legit ![]() Even Clauf was less ambitious. | ||
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Musicus
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![]() I know Targa is joking and they are friends, but I don't think it's funny, it's sad. | ||
imre
France9263 Posts
On February 11 2015 23:52 Musicus wrote: Oh and guess who is involved ![]() https://twitter.com/TargA01/status/565519344063741952 I know Targa is joking, but I don't think it's funny, it's sad. that's not even funny anymore seriously. | ||
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OtherWorld
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Mr. Anthony Norman, Chairman of the Board of Directors Born 1974 Earlier career in the Swedish Army Forces specialized in army intelligence for foreign operations. Antony Norman was one of the early players within the .com arena and developed during that time a deep understanding of venture capital business and its challenges. Anthony Norman has worked as a consultant for a number of VC firms in Europe and in the US. After selling his main business to a Swedish Public Company he stayed on the management team for three years. Anthony has in the past 15 years formed and managed over forty private companies and has been on the board of a number public companies as well as the advisor for over 15 public companies on various markets in the UK, Sweden, Poland, Germany and the United States. Quick search leads to : http://behindmlm.com/companies/viral-angels-review-39-990-eur-credit-union-scheme/ Which contains OPN ultimately were only able to register themselves under a different company name on the Cyprus Stock Exchange (they were terminated and banned from listing on theBritish GXG stock exchange). Trig is certainly not a new company, so one would think if it was going to public it would have already by now. Yet all we see are vague promises about it happening sometime in the future. In the meantime the money being pumped into Viral Angels by affiliate investors is most definitely real, and most likely to fail regulatory scrutiny if the company ever does approach a reputable stock exchange for listing. The more pressing issue for Viral Angels however is what happens when the recruitment slows down and those at the bottom stop paying their monthly affiliate fees? Will we then see yet another incarnation of SpinGlo/Synkronice/Enwire/Trig/Viral Angels? Although I’m sure Anthony Norman has a barrage of excuses to explain away his involvement in the past failures of SpinGlo et al., his track record speaks for itself. This whole “we’re going to go public one day” ship was first floated around 2012, and to date the ship hasn’t left port. In the wake of Norman’s failures, all we’ve seen is missing investor funds and a series of collapses. Stay tuned for nothing different this time around I guess. As well as : https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?id=297109350404265&story_fbid=441010836014115 which contains The money coming in through DWW was now controlled by Tony, and besides that he made two smaller transfers to our banking system in September and October that was used to pay bonuses out, NOTHING came in to pay anyone. Over 130.000€ vanished! Where did it go? Tony Norman was always saying it was used for developments!? He has yet to answer that question. Oh MC MC MC, in what kind of mess did you got in... | ||
imre
France9263 Posts
On February 11 2015 23:54 OtherWorld wrote: Oh dear, oh dear Quick search leads to : http://behindmlm.com/companies/viral-angels-review-39-990-eur-credit-union-scheme/ Which contains As well as : https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?id=297109350404265&story_fbid=441010836014115 which contains Oh MC MC MC, in what kind of mess did you got in... Seriously we should put up a TV show about a bunch of guys trying to throw dirty money at esports and building bigger and bigger stuff each time. We got the plot already written. We can even offer the main role at TDL for his irl experience about this stuff. | ||
fruity.
England1711 Posts
This will turn interesting sooner or later. | ||
Rocket-Bear
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Hope MC gets treated well | ||
Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On February 11 2015 23:54 OtherWorld wrote: Oh dear, oh dear Quick search leads to : http://behindmlm.com/companies/viral-angels-review-39-990-eur-credit-union-scheme/ Which contains As well as : https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?id=297109350404265&story_fbid=441010836014115 which contains Oh MC MC MC, in what kind of mess did you got in... Seriously **** Min-Sik Ko for introducing MC to those people, this makes me really mad. It's just sad that e-sports became a place for all kinds of shady people to run their scams, launder money or whatever. Edit: Made my post a bit less accusing. | ||
boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
more like ESGN reloaded | ||
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Musicus
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Yeah, was just kidding, this is of course not like KeSPA, even if they wish they would be. KeSPA is legit. | ||
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fruity.
England1711 Posts
On February 11 2015 23:56 sAsImre wrote: Seriously we should put up a TV show about a bunch of guys trying to throw dirty money at esports and building bigger and bigger stuff each time. We got the plot already written. The crowning glory would be Simon Boudreault producing the show. | ||
oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On February 11 2015 23:58 Rocket-Bear wrote: Weird team, but might turn out good. There has been teams I've been doubting that turned out to be good, like Cloud 9. Hope MC gets treated well Cloud9 was pretty expected to go far in League community, having 2 guys who were instrumental to build TSM from nothing is never bad. This, on the other hand is eeeeeeeh. Hope for best though ofc. On February 12 2015 00:01 PhoenixVoid wrote: Looks like MC was so desperate for a team and Reis got him involved in a group which looks suspicious without doing much research. Going to wait for more evidence but so far from what OtherWorld shows the organization doesn't exactly look like a reputable one. This LoL team contains probably 2 most popular players in EU, big upcoming star and 2 other legit famous players, FIFA player is probably best in the world as well and idk about Smite squad but they advertised them okay. | ||
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On February 11 2015 23:58 Rocket-Bear wrote: Weird team, but might turn out good. There has been teams I've been doubting that turned out to be good, like Cloud 9. Hope MC gets treated well Well, C9 started as a LoL team that expanded. Yours would be similar to being suspicious that TL got into Smash Not really the same situation here | ||
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On February 12 2015 00:01 PhoenixVoid wrote: Looks like MC was so desperate for a team and Reis got him involved in a group which looks suspicious without doing much research. Going to wait for more evidence but so far from what OtherWorld shows the organization doesn't exactly look like a reputable one. I don't have time to do more research but short story is that Norman looks like the kind of guy who flies from company to company promising them to make profit and shit but instead takes all the money for himself, using immoral and unprofessional (not putting contracts on paper for example, I guess some other shady eSports orgs know that trick heh) means of doing things. Now why would he invest in eSports? Heh, I dunno. I don't think that compared to the money he makes flying/stealing from company to company, scamming players a la Quantic would be worth it. So does he plan on involving rich players like MC or xSomething in business shit to gain big money? Or does he really think that eSports is the future and that if he gains monopoly over the foreign eSports scene and manages to bring it up to soccer-level of following and exposure he will be the richest man on earth? Hmm, I dunno. | ||
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iaretehnoob
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On February 11 2015 23:40 Musicus wrote: So ambitious and a ton of money to throw around, whith nobody knowing what they do. This seems familiar and likely to fail. On February 09 2015 05:31 ClueClueClue wrote: What's next? Blizzcon 2015 held in Qatar? ![]() | ||
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Ammanas
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to clarify, same happens in real sports, just in much bigger stakes - do you think all the money Abramovich is throwing at Chelsea are 'clean' money? Didn't think so... | ||
Alchemik
Poland7124 Posts
not sure what any of that means, but do they claim they have 6.5 mil? | ||
Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On February 12 2015 00:17 Alchemik wrote: http://tsm.trig.com/basic-data/ not sure what any of that means, but do they claim they have 6.5 mil? Yes, they claim that. Edit: And they might have that and might need to launder some money. | ||
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OtherWorld
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On February 12 2015 00:18 Musicus wrote: Yes, they claim that. Edit: And they might have that and might need to launder some money. since we're at it : I can't read Swedish, what does this mean? Debts or not? http://www.allabolag.se/5567813729/Trig_Entertainment_AB http://www.allabolag.se/5566543707/Trig_Media_Group_AB | ||
Tchado
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Good luck MC ! | ||
Rocket-Bear
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On February 12 2015 00:20 OtherWorld wrote: since we're at it : https://twitter.com/stefanaxelsson/status/565529901181448192 I can't read Swedish, what does this mean? Debts or not? http://www.allabolag.se/5567813729/Trig_Entertainment_AB http://www.allabolag.se/5566543707/Trig_Media_Group_AB I can read swedish and it says they are going behind every year in networth. But not that much, idk. They are going -$200 bucks which is so weird for a company a year. They paid like 60 bucks to employees the entire year. And nothing to the CEO The amount of money involved in this company from networth etc is superlow. | ||
EJK
United States1302 Posts
On February 11 2015 23:37 The_Red_Viper wrote: Ok this is huge, they now might be a title contender for proleague + Show Spoiler + damn wrong thread -.- haahahahahaha that was perfect | ||
Boucot
France15997 Posts
On February 12 2015 00:20 OtherWorld wrote: since we're at it : https://twitter.com/stefanaxelsson/status/565529901181448192 I can't read Swedish, what does this mean? Debts or not? http://www.allabolag.se/5567813729/Trig_Entertainment_AB http://www.allabolag.se/5566543707/Trig_Media_Group_AB I can't read swedish either but usually when it's red, it's bad. :x | ||
opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On February 12 2015 00:15 Ammanas wrote: ^ he probably just wants to launder some money. Which I don't understand why anyone think is bad for esports, money is money wherever they came from. (yes I don't have problem with people throwing dirty money at eSports, fuck me). to clarify, same happens in real sports, just in much bigger stakes - do you think all the money Abramovich is throwing at Chelsea are 'clean' money? Didn't think so... I wuld like to note that if someone needs to have some money laundered and doesn't want to expose ESPORTS to such grave things, he is always welcome to throw some my way ![]() | ||
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On February 12 2015 00:15 Ammanas wrote: ^ he probably just wants to launder some money. Which I don't understand why anyone think is bad for esports, money is money wherever they came from. (yes I don't have problem with people throwing dirty money at eSports, fuck me). to clarify, same happens in real sports, just in much bigger stakes - do you think all the money Abramovich is throwing at Chelsea are 'clean' money? Didn't think so... Because we dont need video games to become just like sports with its terrible social vices and corporate bull shit? Only reason a lot of people enjoy this hobby and not sports aside from whether they are good at it is that social factor, I don't need to see people rioting about video games and dying from stampedes after confronting police in venues. Nor do I want players to get fucked over by shady corporate decisions. | ||
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Jornada
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Alchemik
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On February 12 2015 00:32 Darkdwarf wrote: If you look at http://www.allabolag.se/5566543707/Trig_Media_Group_AB (the mother company of Trig Entertainment), they have a lot of money at least, even if they burn through a lot too. this one seems to be in red as well though | ||
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On February 12 2015 00:32 Darkdwarf wrote: If you look at http://www.allabolag.se/5566543707/Trig_Media_Group_AB (the mother company of Trig Entertainment), they have a lot of money at least, even if they burn through a lot too. How is 29k SEK a lot for a year? That's like $3600 ? That's like a montly salary for a ok paid job. | ||
Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On February 12 2015 00:36 geokilla wrote: So first GEM was a scandal and now Trig is bad news. Will MC ever learn? He's going to become like Dear if he isn't careful. End up on Samsung? Poor guy. | ||
TBO
Germany1350 Posts
On February 12 2015 00:39 Rocket-Bear wrote: How is 29k SEK a lot for a year? That's like $3600 ? That's like a montly salary for a ok paid job. I am not sure but I think TKR means thousand kronor . so it would be 29.000k. Maybe someone from sweden can help us here? | ||
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On February 12 2015 00:41 TBO wrote: I am not sure but I think TKR means thousand kronor . so it would be 29.000k. Maybe someone from sweden can help us here? yeah you're right, my bad | ||
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On February 12 2015 00:32 pichoo wrote: Net income (loss) after taxes Q4 = - € 544,027 LOL so they'll go bankrupt after 3 years or so. It looks dodgy as hell. No worries that's about the amount of prizemoney MC will win so they will break even no problemo | ||
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Musicus
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Trig has begun planning for the immediate production of three different shows to be broadcasted during different phases with the first one beginning late 2014. First, the TV series “From Zero To Hero” - a global reality show where the audience follows unknown players climb from amateur to professional players. Their TV Show "From Zero to Hero" should've started airing by late 2014. I can't find it on google or trigtv.com, so sad ![]() | ||
Heartland
Sweden24579 Posts
On February 12 2015 00:54 R1CH wrote: What is it with Koreans and their attraction to the shadiest organizations around? They just don't have any other way of competing with foreigners | ||
Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On February 12 2015 00:54 R1CH wrote: What is it with Koreans and their attraction to the shadiest organizations around? I can answer that I think, it's Min-Sik Ko. | ||
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Champi
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hopefully this works out, if not I hope MC gets onto a korean team and smashes some GSL and proleague! | ||
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Madeleine “Maddelisk” Leander as consultant and expert. In 2013, she became the female world champion in Starcraft II and in addition to winning tournaments with her team “Millenium”, she was recently awarded ‘Gamer of the Year’s by the esports organization Sverok. Board of Management No more bitch please I guess | ||
vult
United States9400 Posts
Events in Dubai?? Who the hell will go?? The only people who actually live in Dubai are rich Saudis or those who got rich from the oil industry. How would that be a market for esports??? Ugh, Reis and MC are so... idk. | ||
OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On February 12 2015 01:16 vult wrote: Ugh, this makes me so mad. MC would have been so much better on a Korean team, or even a pseudo-KR team like mYi or dPix. This looks so freaking shady. Events in Dubai?? Who the hell will go?? The only people who actually live in Dubai are rich Saudis or those who got rich from the oil industry. How would that be a market for esports??? Ugh, Reis and MC are so... idk. Because you think people care for Handball and Soccer in Qatar? >.> | ||
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ZeromuS
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On February 12 2015 01:27 bluQ wrote: what the actual fuck ... either they are secretly sponsoring NiP or . what the hell ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0slsbFoH67w I think that they make money in sweden so they use these images to appeal to people in sweden? No clue. | ||
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ZackAttack
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On February 12 2015 01:26 JulDraGoN wrote: If you want to read up a little about what they do and where they expect to get their money from you can read the prospectus for their share listings. http://www.fi.se/templates/ProspektFile.aspx?guid=CA260982-E41C-4659-BDFB-668C907F7474 I was hoping this would make me feel better than their website but it made it worse. They have 15 employees and are losing hundreds of thousands of dollars a quarter. That list of risks is laughable too. Their main future source of income is a facebook clone, of which thousands have failed before. I would not infest in this company or trust my paycheck to come from them. On an unrelated note, why is Maddelisk going to keep MC from trash talking? What did I miss? | ||
vult
United States9400 Posts
On February 12 2015 01:36 Seeker wrote: Where was it revealed that GEM was a scandal? I dont think it was ever specifically revealed, but their association with ESGN, Sapinda, and their compete lack of visible support for its players led people to doubt the integrity of GEM. And since they got acquired by IMG, nobody really knows what to think. | ||
Aeromi
France14456 Posts
On February 12 2015 01:36 Seeker wrote: Where was it revealed that GEM was a scandal? Sapinda funded GEM Korea. | ||
Alucen-Will-
United States4054 Posts
On February 12 2015 01:39 vult wrote: I dont think it was ever specifically revealed, but their association with ESGN, Sapinda, and their compete lack of visible support for its players led people to doubt the integrity of GEM. And since they got acquired by IMG, nobody really knows what to think. It is a very odd situation, particularly considering IMG is one of the largest (and therefore, reputable) talent representation agencies in the world. | ||
FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On February 12 2015 00:36 geokilla wrote: So first GEM was a scandal and now Trig is bad news. Will MC ever learn? He's going to become like Dear if he isn't careful. Wait what ? GEM was a scandal ? | ||
geokilla
Canada8224 Posts
Huge one. Lots of players didn't get paid is what I read an hour ago. The community just pitch forks for one day then forgets. https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/2vjdwv/mc_joins_trig_esports/coi568t When GEM got bought by that big time agency a few weeks ago, a number of esports veterans were making tweets that badically said GEM pulled off a great scam since they never paid their clients. So I wouldn't be so quick to assume that this new organization isn't going to pay its players. Forgive my editing. I'm on mobile. Everything was from that thread on Reddit. | ||
Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
On February 11 2015 23:37 The_Red_Viper wrote: Ok this is huge, they now might be a title contender for proleague + Show Spoiler + damn wrong thread -.- Def not the wrong thread | ||
FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On February 12 2015 01:45 geokilla wrote: Huge one. Lots of players didn't get paid is what I read an hour ago. The community just pitch forks for one day then forgets. https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/2vjdwv/mc_joins_trig_esports/coi568t Forgive my editing. I'm on mobile. Everything was from that thread on Reddit. Oh ok i didn't remember that so i might have missed it. Thanks | ||
SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On February 12 2015 01:16 vult wrote: Events in Dubai?? Who the hell will go?? The only people who actually live in Dubai are rich Saudis or those who got rich from the oil industry. How would that be a market for esports??? Ugh, Reis and MC are so... idk. Just plopping in to say you are spouting massive bullshit about Dubai. Saudi's don't live in Dubai, Emirati do. Actually, they sort of hate Saudi's. Oil currently is less than 2% of Dubai GDP IIRC, whilst it was a bigger part of their income 20 years ago, it is not anymore. Dubai aims to become THE city to be in the Middle East, possibly all of earth. Their investments in infrastructure, tourism and especially their financial districts are incredible. UAE also had the biggest amount of spending on foreign aid last year. In fact, you seem completely clueless about the city. They imported 8 soccer teams last winter (Real Madrid and FC Barcelona were amongst those, IIRC). All they do is draw attention to themselves. They'll be the World Expo Host of 2020 too, by the way. So please, Dubai showing interest in SC2 is more positive to us than negative - it shows some people out there regard eSports as mainstream, or at least worth investing in. As a little sidenote, look up the book "My Vision" by Sheikh of Dubai and UAE Vice President Muhammed Bin Rashid Al Maktoum. It'll enlighten your limited view of the world. Peace out. | ||
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neptunusfisk
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On February 12 2015 00:22 Rocket-Bear wrote: I can read swedish and it says they are going behind every year in networth. But not that much, idk. They are going -$200 bucks which is so weird for a company a year. They paid like 60 bucks to employees the entire year. And nothing to the CEO The amount of money involved in this company from networth etc is superlow. TKR is short for tusen kronor (1000 SEK) so multiply by 1000 in those figures I guess | ||
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Clonester
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I tell em now: they wount. But MC doesnt need to care about, aslong as he gets his 3k$ check every month. | ||
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Aeromi
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The company behind AZUBU/ESGN. Check this thread if you want more infos : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/406145-esports-contributor-azuwho | ||
_fool
Netherlands675 Posts
Revenue Q 4: 54,052 Gross Profit Q 4: -547,366 EBITA Q 4: -546.835 Net income (loss) after taxes Q 4: -544,027 | ||
Ben1500
United Kingdom180 Posts
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FLeK0
86 Posts
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mahrgell
Germany3942 Posts
On February 12 2015 02:33 _fool wrote: I'm not into economics, but these digits are bad, right? Revenue Q 4: 54,052 Gross Profit Q 4: -547,366 EBITA Q 4: -546.835 Net income (loss) after taxes Q 4: -544,027 Nope... they are meaningless. It is pretty normal, that a newly founded company that wants to play big goes into red for a longer time in the beginning. Just look at Amazon, Facebook or Zalando. Not saying that this here will ever turn into black. They give many reasons not to believe so. But those numbers aren't part of that. | ||
Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On February 12 2015 02:41 FLeK0 wrote: "The event will take place the first half of 2015 and go on for four days covering major disciplines of eSports. with expected revenues over four days of over €10 Million." ok maybe a nigerian prince has made em a very good offer. + Show Spoiler + relatied to the historical email scam everyone should know | ||
Deathstar
9150 Posts
On February 12 2015 02:33 _fool wrote: I'm not into economics, but these digits are bad, right? Revenue Q 4: 54,052 Gross Profit Q 4: -547,366 EBITA Q 4: -546.835 Net income (loss) after taxes Q 4: -544,027 For every dollar they make, they lose 10. MC what have you done | ||
TelecoM
United States10666 Posts
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jakethesnake
Canada4948 Posts
They apparently raised 7M in new equity, but immediately blew almost all of it and have nothing left already. This just stinks of scammo. | ||
OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On February 12 2015 01:45 geokilla wrote: Huge one. Lots of players didn't get paid is what I read an hour ago. The community just pitch forks for one day then forgets. https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/2vjdwv/mc_joins_trig_esports/coi568t Forgive my editing. I'm on mobile. Everything was from that thread on Reddit. The analysis linked here, while good, doesn't give enough attention to who is behind the company. Yes the company looks brand new, but in fact it isn't since it is a new form given to the main investor's previous companies. | ||
_fool
Netherlands675 Posts
On February 12 2015 02:46 mahrgell wrote: Nope... they are meaningless. It is pretty normal, that a newly founded company that wants to play big goes into red for a longer time in the beginning. Just look at Amazon, Facebook or Zalando. Not saying that this here will ever turn into black. They give many reasons not to believe so. But those numbers aren't part of that. Hm, thanks for the insight. I never realized. Also, they do have a business plan somewhere. They make money from matching online buyers to online sellers. The sellers offer a percentage reward to the matchmaker (Trig). Trig, in turn, gives some of that back to the buyer by offering "cashback". Might be legit (if still shady). All in all it does not sound like a worthy home for the BossToss... | ||
lestye
United States4149 Posts
On February 12 2015 01:58 SC2Toastie wrote: Just plopping in to say you are spouting massive bullshit about Dubai. Saudi's don't live in Dubai, Emirati do. Actually, they sort of hate Saudi's. Oil currently is less than 2% of Dubai GDP IIRC, whilst it was a bigger part of their income 20 years ago, it is not anymore. Dubai aims to become THE city to be in the Middle East, possibly all of earth. Their investments in infrastructure, tourism and especially their financial districts are incredible. UAE also had the biggest amount of spending on foreign aid last year. In fact, you seem completely clueless about the city. They imported 8 soccer teams last winter (Real Madrid and FC Barcelona were amongst those, IIRC). All they do is draw attention to themselves. They'll be the World Expo Host of 2020 too, by the way. So please, Dubai showing interest in SC2 is more positive to us than negative - it shows some people out there regard eSports as mainstream, or at least worth investing in. As a little sidenote, look up the book "My Vision" by Sheikh of Dubai and UAE Vice President Muhammed Bin Rashid Al Maktoum. It'll enlighten your limited view of the world. Peace out. It's still a place where people are jailed for kissing, swearing is a criminal act, and they have regulations for women's clothing. I don't mind that Dubai wanting attention but im not a fan of events in Dubai. | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3340 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17611 Posts
On February 11 2015 23:42 Caihead wrote: Dubai? Arena? Might as well add the Nigerian princes and get it over with. lol too bad this isn't as good a team name as Love Your Girlfriend | ||
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Clubfan
Germany913 Posts
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Ja.Y.
United States253 Posts
They should have an MC vs. PartinG BO9 where BM to the max is allowed. Sorry for the major side track. | ||
lestye
United States4149 Posts
On February 12 2015 03:29 ejozl wrote: Kind of like when he was the only notable player on SK. He was on SK for a while, and if foreigner team leagues weren't that huge, I think an org picking up one really solid player is better than a handfull of OK ones. Similiar to how every team but Liquid has 1 really good Smash player. | ||
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Clubfan
Germany913 Posts
On February 12 2015 03:59 lestye wrote: He was on SK for a while, and if foreigner team leagues weren't that huge, I think an org picking up one really solid player is better than a handfull of OK ones. Similiar to how every team but Liquid has 1 really good Smash player. Liquid actually has 4 smash players now (and they already started with 2), but yes, I can get your point to kind of "ignore" western team leagues | ||
arew
Lithuania1861 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
Trig Social Media AB (publ) is making a serious financial commitment to the rapidly emerging esports market by creating a community-driven esports organization. It will not only host a series of major events around the world, but also set up a number professional teams in the major gaming disciplines, arranging international tournaments and adding structure to the fragmented esports world. As part of this effort, Trig has made a number of recruitments within esports. The mid-term plan also encompasses the establishment of thirteen specialized esports arenas around the world capable of hosting a minimum of 14 000 people each. Trig’s ultimate goal is to establish a new world headquarters for esports outside the East-Asia region, and thus, stake a major claim in the esports realm. This is from the news where they announce their LoL team. If only half of what they plan would become true, it would truly be a fantastic story. If only... ![]() Edit: http://trigesports.com/news.html | ||
Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On February 12 2015 03:44 Ja.Y. wrote: Eh, I'll reserve judgment until things get out of hand. But, hopefully MC joined this "team" so he could properly travel to foreign events. They should have an MC vs. PartinG BO9 where BM to the max is allowed. Sorry for the major side track. With what they are planning, I would not be surprised if MC has his own jet to travel to events. | ||
TurboMaN
Germany925 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10666 Posts
On February 12 2015 04:05 TurboMaN wrote: If this team goes down and MC won't get paid I won't feel sorry for him. Seems like a very risky decision he made. I'm sure MC as much of a boss as he is, gets paid before doing anything. | ||
mnck
Denmark1518 Posts
Create the first ever Reality Show in esports Aquire our own Pro Gamer Teams. Build the first ever dedicated esports arena in a suitable location. Create a world tour similar to F1 Championships." http://trigesports.com/index.php#why-now What? | ||
Boucot
France15997 Posts
On February 12 2015 04:04 Musicus wrote: This is from the news where they announce their LoL team. If only half of what they plan would become true, it would truly be a fantastic story. If only... ![]() Edit: http://trigesports.com/news.html YOLO | ||
Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
It's at least good to know, that someone trustworthy from the scene has met them! | ||
lestye
United States4149 Posts
On February 12 2015 04:01 Clubfan wrote: Liquid actually has 4 smash players now (and they already started with 2), but yes, I can get your point to kind of "ignore" western team leagues I mean to say everyone has 1, but Liquid who has 4. EG 1, Curse (at the time)had 1, C9 had 1, Alliance has only 1, | ||
Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
They kind of sound like supervillains to me. | ||
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Clubfan
Germany913 Posts
On February 12 2015 04:20 lestye wrote: I mean to say everyone has 1, but Liquid who has 4. EG 1, Curse (at the time)had 1, C9 had 1, Alliance has only 1, Oh sorry, I really had a brainfart. | ||
Advantageous
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
Very, very high goals which will not bring anything back till you investet large stackes of money. Some of their plans sound like ESEF. Maybe they will find enough 3rd person risk capital to become something serious, they are not just a small esport team, they want to do real big things, ESEF style and they think esport can be big enough make em big. I highly doubt that. I doubt they will find enough capital that is investet into them, because their buisness just does not sound functional, esport is not that large. If their "mid-term goals" come true, we have a buisness that is 10x times bigger then the esl. And the ESL is older than some players. Even stupid German Money or stupid Oil money will not help em. I give them 50% chance to exist in 1 year, 20% in 2 years and 5% in 3 years. It is not about that they make no profits atm, thats normal. Even if they wouldnt make profits, but at least significant Revenue in 3 years, that would be okay. But their Buisnessplan sounds like drawn by someone who has no idea of esport. Maybe he heard "twitch got sold for 1B$" and thought "esport big, i make big monez" | ||
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Waxangel
United States33203 Posts
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iNsaNe-
Finland5201 Posts
On February 12 2015 00:15 Ammanas wrote: ^ he probably just wants to launder some money. Which I don't understand why anyone think is bad for esports, money is money wherever they came from. (yes I don't have problem with people throwing dirty money at eSports, fuck me). to clarify, same happens in real sports, just in much bigger stakes - do you think all the money Abramovich is throwing at Chelsea are 'clean' money? Didn't think so... How could you possibly think that this is good for eSports? Short-term it might be good for MC, but on longer term if it is going to cause drama it will be harder to attract proper sponsoring for legit teams. And yeah Abramovich might've done his bit of shady business but his money is "legit". | ||
Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
-so basically the guys behind Trig, Anthony Norman (Swedish, 40 yo) and Phillip Cook (British, 60 yo), seem to buy parts of companies and then make money from it, most of the time by persuading rich people to throw money at them and then using the money for themselves (and then make sure legal issues/people complaining about not being payed fall on the rich people they persuaded to give money at them). Since it'll be important for later, notice that Norman is the CEO of Viral Angels. -Phillip Cook lived/lives in the United Arab Emirates after crashing in the financial market in the UK. This probably explains the "we'll do some shit in Dubai" thing. -Trig is NOT a new company. According to this, this and that and as far as I can understand this, the Trig Media Group was created in 2003 and changed its name three times, while Trig Social Media and Trig Entertainment (two brands owned by said Trig Media Group) were both created in 2009. -Looking at the list of people involved in Norman-related companies leads to a lot of various people, ranging from total unknowns on the Internet to a Swedish count & countess. -Concerning what exactly is Trig in terms of what they are selling, I'll link to this reddit post although I'd add that while there are big names among the shops signed up with them, some are more limited than the first look tends to give (like the "Nike" listed is in fact Nike Brazil and Nike Brazil only). -Let's have a look (and a laugh !) at the Board of Directors : we have here Anthony Norman, Ruben Amaryan (who was "CEO and Chairman of the Board of the largest telecom company in Russia" ; and we all know CEOs of large companies in Russia usually means very, very shady business), Juan Carlos Castro Fernandez, about whom I found literally nothing interesting, and Lars Hellewig, former lawyer who is also member of the board of two companies, Aerial Drone System Scandinavia AB and E Sport Challenge ESP AB. And here you'll have a laugh : look at this and this. These are the only relevant things (allabolag.se gives underwhelming results to say the least : here and here) that come on Google when searching informations about these two companies. Notice how the website, Fortune6000 doesn't look shady at all ; it advertises ONLY brands related to Norman/Viral Angels, both posts have no date, and, best of the best, this totally-not-shady and very professional quote : "Did you know that ESports is five times bigger than soccer? There are 1,6 billion gamers worldwide. 700 million of those play online. That’s just a few of many numbers that proves how lucrative this market is. Our listed company E Sport Challenge has a unique product and service that’s not yet available on the market. Don’t miss the special limited offer coming from this company. This is an opportunity you don’t want to miss. It’s an exclusive offer to all Viral Angels members." e : another good quote, from the Aerial Drone post this time : "You might have seen that NASA is copying our ambitions for a flight control system comparable to the commercial airspace systems." -Obviously but I hadn't thought of that, there are no other publication about them apart from what themselves published. Like you would think that something with a potential as huge as what they describe would get some attention from public media. They don't have any jobs listing too, which is kinda surprising for a company that want to create a social network. -The only good things that seem to go for them is that their advisors look kinda legit, but I am a complete noob in this field so it may be bullshit. -So, yeah, now, my opinion : apparently what Trig pretends to do is to make a social network in the most classical way possible (with totally absurd self-imposed rules for a company that intends to make a lot of money), added to the TrigMoney thing, and that is supposed to earn them enough money to build arenas in Dubai and have a major eSports event here in the first half of 2015. No shit. And on top of that, they recruited eSports players while they have honestly little interest in sponsoring them since they don't sell products (but then again Bison sponsors mYi and a hockey team, so yeah). In all honesty I have no idea if Norman&friends went crazy and think they can make a lot of money in eSports or if (more likely) they'll try to make money off of this like they did with previous companies. Now the thing I'd like to do would be to phone call Norman or at least the phone numbers associated to his companies, but I don't have the time nor the money to do that T_T edit : oh yeah I forgot, the corporate adress of Norman indicated on Bloomberg is this : https://www.google.com/maps/place/Vikdalsgränd 10, 131 40 Nacka, Sweden/@59.31228,18.156958,3a,69.2y,37.54h,99.23t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s2JmeVsqYq25QjtqMlm-d2Q!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x465f7878bd7972d1:0x94f52bb5595e7048!6m1!1e1 edit² : added another laughable quote from Hellewig's companies | ||
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
This definitely looks super shady, and this is not going to end well... | ||
lestye
United States4149 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On February 12 2015 05:10 OtherWorld wrote: + Show Spoiler + Ok I did some additional research without much success, most of what I find is in Swedish and Google translate indicates that it's just standard business bullshit of buying/selling/merging companies. The most interesting things I found : -so basically the guys behind Trig, Anthony Norman (Swedish, 40 yo) and Phillip Cook (British, 60 yo), seem to buy parts of companies and then make money from it, most of the time by persuading rich people to throw money at them and then using the money for themselves (and then make sure legal issues/people complaining about not being payed fall on the rich people they persuaded to give money at them). Since it'll be important for later, notice that Norman is the CEO of Viral Angels. -Phillip Cook lived/lives in the United Arab Emirates after crashing in the financial market in the UK. This probably explains the "we'll do some shit in Dubai" thing. -Trig is NOT a new company. According to this, this and that and as far as I can understand this, the Trig Media Group was created in 2003 and changed its name three times, while Trig Social Media and Trig Entertainment (two brands owned by said Trig Media Group) were both created in 2009. -Looking at the list of people involved in Norman-related companies leads to a lot of various people, ranging from total unknowns on the Internet to a Swedish count & countess. -Concerning what exactly is Trig in terms of what they are selling, I'll link to this reddit post although I'd add that while there are big names among the shops signed up with them, some are more limited than the first look tends to give (like the "Nike" listed is in fact Nike Brazil and Nike Brazil only). -Let's have a look (and a laugh !) at the Board of Directors : we have here Anthony Norman, Ruben Amaryan (who was "CEO and Chairman of the Board of the largest telecom company in Russia" ; and we all know CEOs of large companies in Russia usually means very, very shady business), Juan Carlos Castro Fernandez, about whom I found literally nothing interesting, and Lars Hellewig, former lawyer who is also member of the board of two companies, Aerial Drone System Scandinavia AB and E Sport Challenge ESP AB. And here you'll have a laugh : look at this and this. These are the only relevant things (allabolag.se gives underwhelming results to say the least : here and here) that come on Google when searching informations about these two companies. Notice how the website, Fortune6000 doesn't look shady at all ; it advertises ONLY brands related to Norman/Viral Angels, both posts have no date, and, best of the best, this totally-not-shady and very professional quote : "Did you know that ESports is five times bigger than soccer? There are 1,6 billion gamers worldwide. 700 million of those play online. That’s just a few of many numbers that proves how lucrative this market is. Our listed company E Sport Challenge has a unique product and service that’s not yet available on the market. Don’t miss the special limited offer coming from this company. This is an opportunity you don’t want to miss. It’s an exclusive offer to all Viral Angels members." e : another good quote, from the Aerial Drone post this time : "You might have seen that NASA is copying our ambitions for a flight control system comparable to the commercial airspace systems." -The only good things that seem to go for them is that their advisors look kinda legit, but I am a complete noob in this field so it may be bullshit. -So, yeah, now, my opinion : apparently what Trig pretends to do is to make a social network in the most classical way possible (with totally absurd self-imposed rules for a company that intends to make a lot of money), added to the TrigMoney thing, and that is supposed to earn them enough money to build arenas in Dubai and have a major eSports event here in the first half of 2015. No shit. And on top of that, they recruited eSports players while they have honestly little interest in sponsoring them since they don't sell products (but then again Bison sponsors mYi and a hockey team, so yeah). In all honesty I have no idea if Norman&friends went crazy and think they can make a lot of money in eSports or if (more likely) they'll try to make money off of this like they did with previous companies. Now the thing I'd like to do would be to phone call Norman or at least the phone numbers associated to his companies, but I don't have the time nor the money to do that T_T edit : oh yeah I forgot, the corporate adress of Norman indicated on Bloomberg is this : https://www.google.com/maps/place/Vikdalsgränd 10, 131 40 Nacka, Sweden/@59.31228,18.156958,3a,69.2y,37.54h,99.23t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s2JmeVsqYq25QjtqMlm-d2Q!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x465f7878bd7972d1:0x94f52bb5595e7048!6m1!1e1 edit² : added another laughable quote from Hellewig's companies Thanks for the info, very interesting! I linked to your post on Reddit http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/2vjdwv/mc_joins_trig_esports/ | ||
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Liquid`Snute
Norway839 Posts
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jakethesnake
Canada4948 Posts
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
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Alchemik
Poland7124 Posts
well they did an AMA edit: they kind of said nothing, but a coach did say: "A sustainable salary and more room for us to evolve alongside SMITE, and an increased responsiveness since there is no timezone difference." when asked why he joined the team and also that the "salary is enough to sustain us without a job" | ||
spoonmaster
United States347 Posts
On February 12 2015 06:04 Alchemik wrote: http://www.reddit.com/r/Smite/comments/2vjl8u/we_are_trig_esports_ask_us_anything/ well they did an AMA edit: they kind of said nothing, but a coach did say: "A sustainable salary and more room for us to evolve alongside SMITE, and an increased responsiveness since there is no timezone difference." when asked why he joined the team and also that the "salary is enough to sustain us without a job" All the questions are so naïve...reminds me of a time we had before #brokenpromises | ||
LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
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Detri
United Kingdom683 Posts
put the pitchforks down until they actually do something shady. | ||
Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
On February 12 2015 05:10 OtherWorld wrote: + Show Spoiler + Ok I did some additional research without much success, most of what I find is in Swedish and Google translate indicates that it's just standard business bullshit of buying/selling/merging companies. The most interesting things I found : -so basically the guys behind Trig, Anthony Norman (Swedish, 40 yo) and Phillip Cook (British, 60 yo), seem to buy parts of companies and then make money from it, most of the time by persuading rich people to throw money at them and then using the money for themselves (and then make sure legal issues/people complaining about not being payed fall on the rich people they persuaded to give money at them). Since it'll be important for later, notice that Norman is the CEO of Viral Angels. -Phillip Cook lived/lives in the United Arab Emirates after crashing in the financial market in the UK. This probably explains the "we'll do some shit in Dubai" thing. -Trig is NOT a new company. According to this, this and that and as far as I can understand this, the Trig Media Group was created in 2003 and changed its name three times, while Trig Social Media and Trig Entertainment (two brands owned by said Trig Media Group) were both created in 2009. -Looking at the list of people involved in Norman-related companies leads to a lot of various people, ranging from total unknowns on the Internet to a Swedish count & countess. -Concerning what exactly is Trig in terms of what they are selling, I'll link to this reddit post although I'd add that while there are big names among the shops signed up with them, some are more limited than the first look tends to give (like the "Nike" listed is in fact Nike Brazil and Nike Brazil only). -Let's have a look (and a laugh !) at the Board of Directors : we have here Anthony Norman, Ruben Amaryan (who was "CEO and Chairman of the Board of the largest telecom company in Russia" ; and we all know CEOs of large companies in Russia usually means very, very shady business), Juan Carlos Castro Fernandez, about whom I found literally nothing interesting, and Lars Hellewig, former lawyer who is also member of the board of two companies, Aerial Drone System Scandinavia AB and E Sport Challenge ESP AB. And here you'll have a laugh : look at this and this. These are the only relevant things (allabolag.se gives underwhelming results to say the least : here and here) that come on Google when searching informations about these two companies. Notice how the website, Fortune6000 doesn't look shady at all ; it advertises ONLY brands related to Norman/Viral Angels, both posts have no date, and, best of the best, this totally-not-shady and very professional quote : "Did you know that ESports is five times bigger than soccer? There are 1,6 billion gamers worldwide. 700 million of those play online. That’s just a few of many numbers that proves how lucrative this market is. Our listed company E Sport Challenge has a unique product and service that’s not yet available on the market. Don’t miss the special limited offer coming from this company. This is an opportunity you don’t want to miss. It’s an exclusive offer to all Viral Angels members." e : another good quote, from the Aerial Drone post this time : "You might have seen that NASA is copying our ambitions for a flight control system comparable to the commercial airspace systems." -Obviously but I hadn't thought of that, there are no other publication about them apart from what themselves published. Like you would think that something with a potential as huge as what they describe would get some attention from public media. They don't have any jobs listing too, which is kinda surprising for a company that want to create a social network. -The only good things that seem to go for them is that their advisors look kinda legit, but I am a complete noob in this field so it may be bullshit. -So, yeah, now, my opinion : apparently what Trig pretends to do is to make a social network in the most classical way possible (with totally absurd self-imposed rules for a company that intends to make a lot of money), added to the TrigMoney thing, and that is supposed to earn them enough money to build arenas in Dubai and have a major eSports event here in the first half of 2015. No shit. And on top of that, they recruited eSports players while they have honestly little interest in sponsoring them since they don't sell products (but then again Bison sponsors mYi and a hockey team, so yeah). In all honesty I have no idea if Norman&friends went crazy and think they can make a lot of money in eSports or if (more likely) they'll try to make money off of this like they did with previous companies. Now the thing I'd like to do would be to phone call Norman or at least the phone numbers associated to his companies, but I don't have the time nor the money to do that T_T edit : oh yeah I forgot, the corporate adress of Norman indicated on Bloomberg is this : https://www.google.com/maps/place/Vikdalsgränd 10, 131 40 Nacka, Sweden/@59.31228,18.156958,3a,69.2y,37.54h,99.23t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s2JmeVsqYq25QjtqMlm-d2Q!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x465f7878bd7972d1:0x94f52bb5595e7048!6m1!1e1 edit² : added another laughable quote from Hellewig's companies This is what Mint shows for Anthony Norman (Thailand) This name is the same, or similar to, a risk relevant name in the LexisNexis WorldCompliance database So he's gone for Thai nationality and he's a "risk relevant name". Apparently Real Point Investment AB owns 69% of Trig Media Group AB which owns 74.79% of Trig Social Media, based on the Xetra listing. Real Point Investment AB used to be called Cellpoint and has a website, www.gomobile.se Cellpoint Connect AB was delisted on 27/1/2014 and renamed sometime around March 2014 to Real Point, which is a property investor and developer. Cellpoint Connect was to do with phones and communications. Mr Ramon Mazumdar is CEO of Real Point. Trig Media Group also acquired Millioo/Zebraplace which is a "Sweden based online transaction commission collection and donations services provider". | ||
Aando
1304 Posts
On February 12 2015 05:10 OtherWorld wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Ok I did some additional research without much success, most of what I find is in Swedish and Google translate indicates that it's just standard business bullshit of buying/selling/merging companies. The most interesting things I found : -so basically the guys behind Trig, Anthony Norman (Swedish, 40 yo) and Phillip Cook (British, 60 yo), seem to buy parts of companies and then make money from it, most of the time by persuading rich people to throw money at them and then using the money for themselves (and then make sure legal issues/people complaining about not being payed fall on the rich people they persuaded to give money at them). Since it'll be important for later, notice that Norman is the CEO of Viral Angels. -Phillip Cook lived/lives in the United Arab Emirates after crashing in the financial market in the UK. This probably explains the "we'll do some shit in Dubai" thing. -Trig is NOT a new company. According to this, this and that and as far as I can understand this, the Trig Media Group was created in 2003 and changed its name three times, while Trig Social Media and Trig Entertainment (two brands owned by said Trig Media Group) were both created in 2009. -Looking at the list of people involved in Norman-related companies leads to a lot of various people, ranging from total unknowns on the Internet to a Swedish count & countess. -Concerning what exactly is Trig in terms of what they are selling, I'll link to this reddit post although I'd add that while there are big names among the shops signed up with them, some are more limited than the first look tends to give (like the "Nike" listed is in fact Nike Brazil and Nike Brazil only). -Let's have a look (and a laugh !) at the Board of Directors : we have here Anthony Norman, Ruben Amaryan (who was "CEO and Chairman of the Board of the largest telecom company in Russia" ; and we all know CEOs of large companies in Russia usually means very, very shady business), Juan Carlos Castro Fernandez, about whom I found literally nothing interesting, and Lars Hellewig, former lawyer who is also member of the board of two companies, Aerial Drone System Scandinavia AB and E Sport Challenge ESP AB. And here you'll have a laugh : look at this and this. These are the only relevant things (allabolag.se gives underwhelming results to say the least : here and here) that come on Google when searching informations about these two companies. Notice how the website, Fortune6000 doesn't look shady at all ; it advertises ONLY brands related to Norman/Viral Angels, both posts have no date, and, best of the best, this totally-not-shady and very professional quote : "Did you know that ESports is five times bigger than soccer? There are 1,6 billion gamers worldwide. 700 million of those play online. That’s just a few of many numbers that proves how lucrative this market is. Our listed company E Sport Challenge has a unique product and service that’s not yet available on the market. Don’t miss the special limited offer coming from this company. This is an opportunity you don’t want to miss. It’s an exclusive offer to all Viral Angels members." e : another good quote, from the Aerial Drone post this time : "You might have seen that NASA is copying our ambitions for a flight control system comparable to the commercial airspace systems." -Obviously but I hadn't thought of that, there are no other publication about them apart from what themselves published. Like you would think that something with a potential as huge as what they describe would get some attention from public media. They don't have any jobs listing too, which is kinda surprising for a company that want to create a social network. -The only good things that seem to go for them is that their advisors look kinda legit, but I am a complete noob in this field so it may be bullshit. -So, yeah, now, my opinion : apparently what Trig pretends to do is to make a social network in the most classical way possible (with totally absurd self-imposed rules for a company that intends to make a lot of money), added to the TrigMoney thing, and that is supposed to earn them enough money to build arenas in Dubai and have a major eSports event here in the first half of 2015. No shit. And on top of that, they recruited eSports players while they have honestly little interest in sponsoring them since they don't sell products (but then again Bison sponsors mYi and a hockey team, so yeah). In all honesty I have no idea if Norman&friends went crazy and think they can make a lot of money in eSports or if (more likely) they'll try to make money off of this like they did with previous companies. Now the thing I'd like to do would be to phone call Norman or at least the phone numbers associated to his companies, but I don't have the time nor the money to do that T_T edit : oh yeah I forgot, the corporate adress of Norman indicated on Bloomberg is this : https://www.google.com/maps/place/Vikdalsgränd 10, 131 40 Nacka, Sweden/@59.31228,18.156958,3a,69.2y,37.54h,99.23t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s2JmeVsqYq25QjtqMlm-d2Q!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x465f7878bd7972d1:0x94f52bb5595e7048!6m1!1e1 edit² : added another laughable quote from Hellewig's companies Haha, what a coincidence. A friend of mine were in prison at the same time as an attorney that now works for Redwise Advokatbyrå AB from the advisors page. He did time for... I think the English word is embezzlement (grov förskingring). I don't know any details about the case and this was maybe 8 years ago. Just a little anecdote. | ||
TelecoM
United States10666 Posts
On February 12 2015 04:38 Waxangel wrote: Unleash the TL detectives! My thoughts exactly! | ||
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I started with Maria Hellrådh Röhman phone number but the result it came back with was the same as I got when I searched for Phillip Cook's phone number. This gave me the company name of "Enwire" and a google search for enwire gave me quite a lot of warning flags of a very shady company. So it all started with a service/company called Spinglo that then turned into Enwire who then were about to go public but something happened and they dropped off but wait.... Enwire's facebook page shows that they turned into Trig. The two first links people do post about that these are scams, these are forums online though so who knows if it's true but worth looking into, especially if you plan to do business with Trig. I would say. (oh and also some more info since the company's legal name is not Enwire AB but Social Media Investmens Nordic AB. This site gives a pretty good connection between different companies and people, for example Anthony Norman) | ||
turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On February 12 2015 05:10 OtherWorld wrote: another good quote, from the Aerial Drone post this time : "You might have seen that NASA is copying our ambitions for a flight control system comparable to the commercial airspace systems." isnt this a quote from the wolf of wall street? | ||
SetGuitarsToKill
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Aveng3r
United States2411 Posts
On February 12 2015 09:41 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: To me, he'll always be oGs.MC Yup The name somehow seems more appropriate now than it did before they disbanded | ||
ukiya2004
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fruity.
England1711 Posts
On February 12 2015 09:52 ukiya2004 wrote: This is dumb. MC should be going into a Proleague team, like KT Rolster/Jinair Greenwings I assume that MC feels his best chance for a blizzcon spot is to find a team willing to send him to all the international tournaments. Total assumption on my part. | ||
ukiya2004
199 Posts
On February 12 2015 10:06 fruity. wrote: I assume that MC feels his best chance for a blizzcon spot is to find a team willing to send him to all the international tournaments. Total assumption on my part. I disagree. His best chance for a blizzcon spot is to improve himself back to S-tier by training with a well-established Proleague team and winning GSL/SSL/Kespa cup/Hot6ix. And the occasional overseas tournaments. No point going to international tournaments if you are just going to get wasted in the early rounds by better players | ||
ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On February 12 2015 10:19 ukiya2004 wrote: I disagree. His best chance for a blizzcon spot is to improve himself back to S-tier by training with a well-established Proleague team and winning GSL/SSL/Kespa cup/Hot6ix. And the occasional overseas tournaments. No point going to international tournaments if you are just going to get wasted in the early rounds by better players mmm but at the same time, he wont be able to get enough WCS points if he joins a Korean team and plays just in Korea. So on one hand you have at least a chance to get in by playing in a lot of events, while on the other you have 0 chance to get in this year. Long term joining a Korean team is probably better but what if MC doesnt care about the long term. | ||
ilikeredheads
Canada1995 Posts
Time will tell, time will tell... best of luck to MC | ||
Deathstar
9150 Posts
On February 12 2015 08:13 ClueClueClue wrote: Hey hey, calm down guys. Just because these people are probably criminals, it doesn't mean this is bad for e-sports. as long as MC gets his cash monay, it's all good but that's the concern lol | ||
Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
MC, cash first. Make them earn your trust... | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On February 12 2015 09:52 ukiya2004 wrote: This is dumb. MC should be going into a Proleague team, like KT Rolster/Jinair Greenwings That is the antithesis of what MC is. He exists to rake in that sweet sweet IEM/DH/HSC cash | ||
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coloursheep
China496 Posts
I'm glad MC is on a team again and I hope this actually works out but I can't help but feel like this is anything but a disapointment. | ||
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
On February 12 2015 15:04 XiaoXiaoo wrote: Their financial advisor's names are "Renell Wertpapierhandelsbank AG" and "Mangold Fondkommission". Do all european names sound like "wet-paper-handles-bank" and "phoned-commission"? hahahahaha ![]() | ||
OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On February 12 2015 06:04 Alchemik wrote: http://www.reddit.com/r/Smite/comments/2vjl8u/we_are_trig_esports_ask_us_anything/ well they did an AMA edit: they kind of said nothing, but a coach did say: "A sustainable salary and more room for us to evolve alongside SMITE, and an increased responsiveness since there is no timezone difference." when asked why he joined the team and also that the "salary is enough to sustain us without a job" Lmao that AMA -they already payed our salaries throughout this year -they have legal advisors of utmost quality and our contracts are really, really good. (just for reference, Trixtank & Qvofred never signed any kind of agreement before trig, due to their fathers suspiciousness when it comes to these organisations) -The Starcraft 2 community is like this girl who has had really bad experiences with relationships in the past, so naturally, whenever a truely 'good' guy shows up, he will be met with a lot of criticism when displaying incredible and promessing traits. But in the long run, she will notice what hes truely made of and live happily ever after. -Put pitchforks down untill proven otherwise. Sounds like even more legit than what we had in the past guys. | ||
Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On February 12 2015 15:04 XiaoXiaoo wrote: Their financial advisor's names are "Renell Wertpapierhandelsbank AG" and "Mangold Fondkommission". Do all european names sound like "wet-paper-handles-bank" and "phoned-commission"? ROFLMAO!!!!!! What the actual fuck is up with these names. I know several European names don't translate into english very well but these are made up almost certainly | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
First one is some kind of bank (Wertpapier = stocks in german I think? EDIT: securities), second is a .... broker? Or something like that. Mangold Fondkommission AB is an independent broker specialised in small and medium-sized listed companies and provides services within corporate finance | ||
OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On February 12 2015 16:18 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Uhm,,, those are company names, not people. First one is some kind of bank (Wertpapier = stocks in german I think? EDIT: securities), second is a .... broker? Or something like that. From http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=84848511 Renell Wertpapierhandelsbank AG offers market making and securities brokerage services. It provides initial public offer (IPO) advisory, exchange listing, lead broking, equities and fixed income trading, designated sponsoring, and private equity management services. | ||
XiaoXiaoo
Switzerland20 Posts
On February 12 2015 16:18 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Uhm,,, those are company names, not people. First one is some kind of bank (Wertpapier = stocks in german I think? EDIT: securities), second is a .... broker? Or something like that. Ohhh that explains a whole lot. I was really questioning my sanity there for a sec | ||
Heartland
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Alchemik
Poland7124 Posts
On February 12 2015 15:04 XiaoXiaoo wrote: Their financial advisor's names are "Renell Wertpapierhandelsbank AG" and "Mangold Fondkommission". Do all european names sound like "wet-paper-handles-bank" and "phoned-commission"? yes, we take proud in that | ||
ClueClueClue
Sweden1203 Posts
On February 12 2015 17:58 Heartland wrote: There is probably a lot more information that can be dug out of public sources, Swedish "offentlighetsprincipen" means that massive amounts of information is available to people who know where and how to look. It doesn't necessarily cover private companies though, but if there's any dirt on these individuals in tax or criminal records, it can probably be found. | ||
Heartland
Sweden24579 Posts
On February 12 2015 18:18 ClueClueClue wrote: It doesn't necessarily cover private companies though, but if there's any dirt on these individuals in tax or criminal records, it can probably be found. Yeah, of course. : ) | ||
OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On February 12 2015 17:58 Heartland wrote: There is probably a lot more information that can be dug out of public sources, Swedish "offentlighetsprincipen" means that massive amounts of information is available to people who know where and how to look. Yeah but for that it has to be Swedish-speaking people doing the search, because Swedish words often look really really obscure to me d: | ||
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United States33 Posts
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Canada69 Posts
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Railgan
Switzerland1507 Posts
On February 12 2015 15:55 Orcasgt24 wrote: ROFLMAO!!!!!! What the actual fuck is up with these names. I know several European names don't translate into english very well but these are made up almost certainly Wertpapierhandelsbank is a german word for "securities trading bank" ... they trade stocks e.g. Renell is their own name probably the surname of the owner. AG means that they have stocks. Fondkommission means "fond commission" tough one... Mangold is their own name probably the surname of the owner. | ||
geokilla
Canada8224 Posts
PULL OUT MC! PULL OUT | ||
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On March 04 2015 06:43 geokilla wrote: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/2xtkym/why_trigs_big_esports_ambitions_might_be_too_good/ PULL OUT MC! PULL OUT These big ambitions were supplemented by some serious cash, with the startup spending an estimated €1.5 million in just one year. It's higher than 1.5 million and Clauf/ESGN was 2-3 years old. The author doesn't exactly make any bold claims or statements in this article sadly. He could have said and concluded a lot more without far of repercussion. Whatever does happen to MC, the relationship he has with Min-Sik ensures him a safety transition regardless. | ||
Deleted User 26513
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Revenue Q 4 54,052 Gross Profit Q 4 -547,366 EBITA Q 4 -546.835 Net income (loss) after taxes Q 4 -544,027 I'm not sure, but it looks like this ship is sinking... Pretty fast. | ||
Kimb3r
Germany744 Posts
On February 12 2015 15:04 XiaoXiaoo wrote: Their financial advisor's names are "Renell Wertpapierhandelsbank AG" and "Mangold Fondkommission". Do all european names sound like "wet-paper-handles-bank" and "phoned-commission"? Haha you're such a typical U.S.-american ignorant.. sure.. all European banks have German names. Idiot! xD User was temp banned for this post. | ||
OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On March 04 2015 06:43 geokilla wrote: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/2xtkym/why_trigs_big_esports_ambitions_might_be_too_good/ PULL OUT MC! PULL OUT Wow this article's quality is really subpar, from factually wrong statements to lack of easy research. Bad job, DailyDot. | ||
JimmyJRaynor
Canada16647 Posts
On February 12 2015 15:26 coloursheep wrote: It is truly a sad day in SC2 when the team that provides the best (only?) offer to MC, one of the original legends of the game, is one that sprung up out of nowhere and at least appears to be not legitimate. I'm glad MC is on a team again and I hope this actually works out but I can't help but feel like this is anything but a disapointment. MC is not obligated to go the high-risk/high-reward path. i'm sure he could play on a more stable team for less pay. its his personal choice though. | ||
Darkdwarf
Sweden960 Posts
Here is the article in full: http://www.va.se/nyheter/2015/03/11/historien-om-svenska-trigs-markliga-borsresa---fran-5-miljoner-till-10-miljarder/. Basically, it's all a compound of bullshit, fraud and shady business. | ||
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United States12612 Posts
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
On March 11 2015 22:03 Yorkie wrote: If a swedish baller could give a more detailed summary that would be amazing. My pleb American self can't read it Will give it a try, lemme read | ||
OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On March 11 2015 22:03 Yorkie wrote: If a swedish baller could give a more detailed summary that would be amazing. My pleb American self can't read it Yes if some kind Swedish person would do it it would be much appreciated. edit : well thank DJHelium (: | ||
DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
An example: They claim they have 1,1 million unique visitors every month on their homepage. But when logging into Trig you only get a look-a-like facebook where the latest posts are 3-4 months old from the companies own "sportambassadeurs". According to Alexa, who estimates numbers on the web, Trig.com is ranked at 2,146 in Sweden. For comparison, VA (the newspaper, which isn't one of the larger ones) have 600k visitors and is at rank 466 in Sweden. edit: If I understand this correctly, at 27 January 2014 the company was valued to 5,3 million SEK. At 18 September 2014, it was valued to 10 billion SEK. Feel free to correct me if I got something wrong. I'm no expert on this stuff. | ||
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SuperHofmann
Italy1741 Posts
There's a funny face used in the Twitch chat that starts with K that can be very usefull here | ||
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Starecat
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@topic: It seems that MC is on trouble. | ||
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France17333 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On March 12 2015 01:41 Starecat wrote: wow what a wizardry i saw the text being edited while i was reading o_o @topic: It seems that MC is on trouble. If he's smart, he'll take the money while looking for other teams. Must be a stressful time for him. | ||
Infamousblob
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Believe me or not, I once worked and developed the sites (db access and all) for them, after a period of time they stopped paying and owed a huge sum of money, which was later settled via lawsuit after they milked every moment out of the courts to have to delay paying.....we had no idea what we got into until late after the fact. This company has a shady history to say the least. You need to search for Spinglo, Enwire, Sykronize, Viral Angels and more..... You can find their connections easily. Most seemingly don't exist because the keep changing names over and over again, but you can find twitters/facebooks and news articles on the web about them. I am sure you can use the wayback machine too This "trig" site is just a new incarnation of old systems..... As I said I can't state the current owners or implementations used the be a pyramid scheme, they used to post fake images on their twitter's about company jets and other things with their logo plastered on them that someone did a bad photshop job on, and in 5 seconds you could find the original in google. The network was flooded with obvious bots that kept a select few users in the top rankings to receive payouts. I would go so far as to say that 80-90% of the accounts/members are fake / useless / bot created. So here are just a couple of articles http://behindmlm.com/companies/viral-angels-review-39-990-eur-credit-union-scheme/ http://behindmlm.com/companies/enwire-review-spinglo-cashback-commissions/ http://www.realscam.com/f9/spinglo-enwire-other-related-companies-2321/ Again I say I have no knowledge of the current start of things with trig simplty ask yourself would you trust anything with such a shady history? | ||
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United States3518 Posts
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DuckloadBlackra
225 Posts
On April 03 2015 12:27 Bub wrote: So he didn't do enough research before joining in- just accepting after a wad of cash was thrown in his face? Wouldn't surprise me, MC strikes me as the type of guy who can't be fucked to research things :D | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On April 03 2015 12:27 Bub wrote: So he didn't do enough research before joining in- just accepting after a wad of cash was thrown in his face? Scams pay real money at first, so he's probably gaining money for now. On topic, anyone heard something in the newspapers about eSports arenas being constructed in Dubai? I didn't ): | ||
sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
On April 03 2015 11:30 Infamousblob wrote: So I would like to shed some light on these people. I don't know who owns the company now, I don't know the current status of things or their "backend" sites for people to buy packages and make money of of it all however. Believe me or not, I once worked and developed the sites (db access and all) for them, after a period of time they stopped paying and owed a huge sum of money, which was later settled via lawsuit after they milked every moment out of the courts to have to delay paying.....we had no idea what we got into until late after the fact. This company has a shady history to say the least. You need to search for Spinglo, Enwire, Sykronize, Viral Angels and more..... You can find their connections easily. Most seemingly don't exist because the keep changing names over and over again, but you can find twitters/facebooks and news articles on the web about them. I am sure you can use the wayback machine too This "trig" site is just a new incarnation of old systems..... As I said I can't state the current owners or implementations used the be a pyramid scheme, they used to post fake images on their twitter's about company jets and other things with their logo plastered on them that someone did a bad photshop job on, and in 5 seconds you could find the original in google. The network was flooded with obvious bots that kept a select few users in the top rankings to receive payouts. I would go so far as to say that 80-90% of the accounts/members are fake / useless / bot created. So here are just a couple of articles http://behindmlm.com/companies/viral-angels-review-39-990-eur-credit-union-scheme/ http://behindmlm.com/companies/enwire-review-spinglo-cashback-commissions/ http://www.realscam.com/f9/spinglo-enwire-other-related-companies-2321/ Again I say I have no knowledge of the current start of things with trig simplty ask yourself would you trust anything with such a shady history? Wow, sadly this doesn't even come as a suprise anymore. | ||
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Italy1741 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
Origen's team house with Trig in the Canary Islands (near Spain). | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
same house, apparently they're moving out of it though | ||
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Switzerland1923 Posts
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Denmark531 Posts
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On April 21 2015 03:49 Torte de Lini wrote: http://www.va.se/nyheter/2015/04/20/misstankar-om-ekobrott/ pls think of us scrubs who don't talk Swedish | ||
Elentos
55459 Posts
On April 21 2015 03:50 OtherWorld wrote: pls think of us scrubs who don't talk Swedish Yeah. I mean, being German, I can actually make out parts of what they say, but it's too much T_T | ||
SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On April 21 2015 03:50 OtherWorld wrote: pls think of us scrubs who don't talk Swedish Trig is under investigation for stock price fixing, from what I can gather. Here's a translation of the article + Show Spoiler + Suspected cases of economic crime in Swedish multi-billion dollar company The questions are piling up around the Swedish multi-billion dollar company Trig Social Media is listed on the Frankfurt Stock Exchange. EBM is plugged in, the auditors resign after being questioned entire operation and FSA in Germany are investigating possible price manipulation in the stock. "We have been informed that there are suspicions of irregularities in Trig Social Media. We have had contacts with the Economic Crimes Bureau during the day. We investigate market abuse but not all forms of economic crime. There are issues that lie at the Economic Crimes Bureau. I also know that German FSA, BaFin, had contact with us regarding Trig Social Media, "says Jonathan Holst, Head of the FSA. On Monday also revealed that the auditing firm PwC after a comprehensive examination at their own request prematurely resigned his position in Trig Social Media, a newly formed Swedish company which last year changed the stock market and went from a valuation of SEK 5 million to SEK 10 billion in six months. During last week left the company lawyer, Lars Hellewig, the Board and the German Financial Supervisory Authority, BaFin, pushing for some time an audit on possible price manipulation in the stock price today is listed on the Frankfurt Stock Exchange. In the company's prospectus for listing on the Frankfurt Stock Exchange is clear that there are 3 million users in Trig Social Media, a task that PwC is now in its investigation not been able to verify that "something more than a compilation of email addresses." "Trig Social Media has on a repeated number of occasions emphasized the importance of their member database of more than 3 million members. In our analysis has revealed that the company has a very low proportion of active members that generate revenue. We have not been able to verify that the company actively working with its member database or been part of a plan for how the revenues are to be increased, "writes PwC in the notice of early termination submitted to the Companies Registration Office on 17 April. PwC also points to other information about the activities that could not be verified, despite extensive examinations. "Furthermore, our conclusion is based on the agreements and the additional information we received during the audit that we can not verify that the company will bring in 20 and 23 million members of the so-called affiliates. Regarding the agreement Trig has entered into with another company if the download of 75 million Trig Money apps, within six months from August 2014, we can not verify that the agreement imposes Trigs counterparty no such obligation. Nor has it been otherwise seen how such an extensive downloading of applications to be able to come about, "writes PwC continues: "During the audit, we found the transactions between Trig and companies that are affiliated to the President. These transactions may be in conflict with loan prohibition rules in Chapter 21. Companies Act." Overall, PwC not verify basic, very pertinent details of the company's operations and can not rule out irregularities. "PwC can not exclude that there has been action or omission that may give rise to liability." Figures from Alexa, which estimates the traffic numbers online, raises questions about the company's data on the activity of Trig.com. Today is Trig.com on 175 737 place in the world. In a press release from July 2013 commented the former parent company CellPoint traffic figures for Trig.com: "The global rankings for Trig.com in the last 7 days are now 26,812 as reported by Alexa.com." Trig.com has gone from a global ranking of 26,812 in July 2013 under the company's own data, to 175,737 today. The corresponding negative growth seen in the recently published financial statements for Trig Social Media. During the last quarter sales fell to about 60 000 from about 232,000 in the same period the year before. Sales were hampered in its view of the technical problems associated with a new version of the company's cash-back service Trig Money. But the report, published February 27, 2015, had no effect on the course of Trig Social Media on the Frankfurt Stock Exchange. In fact strengthened further. Nor March 10, when the German Financial Supervisory Authority, BaFin, went out with a warning for buy recommendations in Trig Social Media and suspicions of price manipulation affected the course. "BaFin has evidence to indicate that they buy recommendations contain false or misleading information and / or conflicts of interest are incorrect. BaFin has initiated an investigation concerning possible price manipulation in the stock." BAFin audit of the company have passed from the first to the second phase, according to data from the Agency. In addition Trig Social Media leaving PwC also their appointment, the parent Trig Media Group and subsidiary Trig Entertainment. Trig Social Media was formed a few months after the current parent company Trig Media Group completed its short but nevertheless turbulent journey of Aktietorget on 27 January 2014. "The delisting from AktieTorget based on the perception that the company would not obtain the relevant market valuation of the unregulated marketplace AktieTorget form. The Board has concluded that the Frankfurt Stock Exchange is the most suitable market place in Europe to obtain an understanding of the concept of social media and especially the potential in Trigs business concepts, "was the explanation from the company. On September 18, 2014 was listed Trig Social Media, a social media platform with the ambition to compete with Facebook, like other Swedish companies ever on the Frankfurt Stock Exchange General Standard for the price of EUR 3 per share. It meant a valuation of € 1 billion, or about 10 billion. In a number of documents, such as the annual report for Trig Entertainment in 2013, claiming the company that in 2014 made an independent valuation of all companies in Trig Group. But such a visible nowhere externally. In a press release from the Trig Social Media on Monday morning reveals that PwC was replaced by Per-Ake Bergstrands Bergstrands Revisionsbyrå AB, a one-man firm in Sjöbo. | ||
OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On April 21 2015 03:52 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Trig is under investigation for stock price fixing, from what I can gather. wow I totally didn't see this coming. I mean the people behind Trig all have reliable history as serious and hardworking people not at all involved in anything shady. + Show Spoiler + ^^ | ||
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Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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United Kingdom9872 Posts
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Deathstar
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Elentos
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On April 21 2015 04:06 Deathstar wrote: noooo what is going to happen to MC? He will still have a lot of money and then join another team if the Trig bubble pops is my guess. | ||
StarStruck
25339 Posts
On April 21 2015 03:56 OtherWorld wrote: wow I totally didn't see this coming. I mean the people behind Trig all have reliable history as serious and hardworking people not at all involved in anything shady. + Show Spoiler + ^^ ha ha ha. I still cannot believe businesses like this still exist let alone talent are still susceptible to join such teams. Whether it be desperation to join another team that will let them train at their own discretion and travel around or what have you. | ||
Aeromi
France14456 Posts
On April 21 2015 04:13 StarStruck wrote: ha ha ha. I still cannot believe businesses like this still exist let alone talent are still susceptible to join such teams. Whether it be desperation to join another team that will let them train at their own discretion and travel around or what have you. Well I'm quite surprised to see MinSik letting MC play for this shady company. | ||
DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
On April 21 2015 04:15 Aeromi wrote: Well I'm quite surprised to see MinSik letting MC play for this shady company. Wasn't he promoting Azubu quite heavily? Or am I thinking of someone else? | ||
nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
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geokilla
Canada8224 Posts
On April 21 2015 03:52 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Trig is under investigation for stock price fixing, from what I can gather. Here's a translation of the article + Show Spoiler + Suspected cases of economic crime in Swedish multi-billion dollar company The questions are piling up around the Swedish multi-billion dollar company Trig Social Media is listed on the Frankfurt Stock Exchange. EBM is plugged in, the auditors resign after being questioned entire operation and FSA in Germany are investigating possible price manipulation in the stock. "We have been informed that there are suspicions of irregularities in Trig Social Media. We have had contacts with the Economic Crimes Bureau during the day. We investigate market abuse but not all forms of economic crime. There are issues that lie at the Economic Crimes Bureau. I also know that German FSA, BaFin, had contact with us regarding Trig Social Media, "says Jonathan Holst, Head of the FSA. On Monday also revealed that the auditing firm PwC after a comprehensive examination at their own request prematurely resigned his position in Trig Social Media, a newly formed Swedish company which last year changed the stock market and went from a valuation of SEK 5 million to SEK 10 billion in six months. During last week left the company lawyer, Lars Hellewig, the Board and the German Financial Supervisory Authority, BaFin, pushing for some time an audit on possible price manipulation in the stock price today is listed on the Frankfurt Stock Exchange. In the company's prospectus for listing on the Frankfurt Stock Exchange is clear that there are 3 million users in Trig Social Media, a task that PwC is now in its investigation not been able to verify that "something more than a compilation of email addresses." "Trig Social Media has on a repeated number of occasions emphasized the importance of their member database of more than 3 million members. In our analysis has revealed that the company has a very low proportion of active members that generate revenue. We have not been able to verify that the company actively working with its member database or been part of a plan for how the revenues are to be increased, "writes PwC in the notice of early termination submitted to the Companies Registration Office on 17 April. PwC also points to other information about the activities that could not be verified, despite extensive examinations. "Furthermore, our conclusion is based on the agreements and the additional information we received during the audit that we can not verify that the company will bring in 20 and 23 million members of the so-called affiliates. Regarding the agreement Trig has entered into with another company if the download of 75 million Trig Money apps, within six months from August 2014, we can not verify that the agreement imposes Trigs counterparty no such obligation. Nor has it been otherwise seen how such an extensive downloading of applications to be able to come about, "writes PwC continues: "During the audit, we found the transactions between Trig and companies that are affiliated to the President. These transactions may be in conflict with loan prohibition rules in Chapter 21. Companies Act." Overall, PwC not verify basic, very pertinent details of the company's operations and can not rule out irregularities. "PwC can not exclude that there has been action or omission that may give rise to liability." Figures from Alexa, which estimates the traffic numbers online, raises questions about the company's data on the activity of Trig.com. Today is Trig.com on 175 737 place in the world. In a press release from July 2013 commented the former parent company CellPoint traffic figures for Trig.com: "The global rankings for Trig.com in the last 7 days are now 26,812 as reported by Alexa.com." Trig.com has gone from a global ranking of 26,812 in July 2013 under the company's own data, to 175,737 today. The corresponding negative growth seen in the recently published financial statements for Trig Social Media. During the last quarter sales fell to about 60 000 from about 232,000 in the same period the year before. Sales were hampered in its view of the technical problems associated with a new version of the company's cash-back service Trig Money. But the report, published February 27, 2015, had no effect on the course of Trig Social Media on the Frankfurt Stock Exchange. In fact strengthened further. Nor March 10, when the German Financial Supervisory Authority, BaFin, went out with a warning for buy recommendations in Trig Social Media and suspicions of price manipulation affected the course. "BaFin has evidence to indicate that they buy recommendations contain false or misleading information and / or conflicts of interest are incorrect. BaFin has initiated an investigation concerning possible price manipulation in the stock." BAFin audit of the company have passed from the first to the second phase, according to data from the Agency. In addition Trig Social Media leaving PwC also their appointment, the parent Trig Media Group and subsidiary Trig Entertainment. Trig Social Media was formed a few months after the current parent company Trig Media Group completed its short but nevertheless turbulent journey of Aktietorget on 27 January 2014. "The delisting from AktieTorget based on the perception that the company would not obtain the relevant market valuation of the unregulated marketplace AktieTorget form. The Board has concluded that the Frankfurt Stock Exchange is the most suitable market place in Europe to obtain an understanding of the concept of social media and especially the potential in Trigs business concepts, "was the explanation from the company. On September 18, 2014 was listed Trig Social Media, a social media platform with the ambition to compete with Facebook, like other Swedish companies ever on the Frankfurt Stock Exchange General Standard for the price of EUR 3 per share. It meant a valuation of € 1 billion, or about 10 billion. In a number of documents, such as the annual report for Trig Entertainment in 2013, claiming the company that in 2014 made an independent valuation of all companies in Trig Group. But such a visible nowhere externally. In a press release from the Trig Social Media on Monday morning reveals that PwC was replaced by Per-Ake Bergstrands Bergstrands Revisionsbyrå AB, a one-man firm in Sjöbo. OMG NO WAY?! TOTALLY DIDN'T EXPECT THIS! /s | ||
jakethesnake
Canada4948 Posts
I hope MC's sake that he gets out before he gets burned. Take the dirty money and run. | ||
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Waxangel
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Ingvar
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
If he does not get a check over some time, he drops off. When they made some shady buisness, stock price fixing or killing people, what does MC care? (okay maybe for the later, but thats not real). MC is only a player, not their guy who makes the books. If Trig would get taken down because these accusations are true, MC will lose is moneygiver. Nothing else, he will not lose skill or something. Why should he care at all and why are people worried? Because his name could get damage? Hell it is MC, everybody knows him anyway and as a player, how should his name takes damage? He wount be payed in stocks, or? Okay, that could hurt him, but more that the stocks wount be worth anything soon.... | ||
Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On April 21 2015 11:47 Xeris wrote: I mean, MC is getting paid. Just because Trig may or may not be shady doesn't mean they aren't paying him. :p oh God. Reminds me of kids paying out of their pocket to have top foreigners on their teams in BW. lol I'll give you 300 bucks a month. Sold. | ||
bypLy
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Waxangel
United States33203 Posts
On April 29 2015 09:15 bypLy wrote: hey i was wondering about the esports stadiums in dubai, when did they want to establish this? yah man, if you gimme $500 I can give you an exclusive backstage tour | ||
Meavis
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imre
France9263 Posts
On April 29 2015 11:46 Waxangel wrote: yah man, if you gimme $500 I can give you an exclusive backstage tour 500$ the sand tour sounds fair ![]() | ||
bypLy
757 Posts
What kind of team is that?? | ||
Elentos
55459 Posts
On May 03 2015 07:44 bypLy wrote: MC said today in an interview at Gfinity Springs, that his team told him to take care of his own esports clothes. So Mc went to a Korean website he said and also designed some apparel by himself. What kind of team is that?? Aside from the fact that that's unbelievable, bad and that MC should go look for a new team pretty soon, he's talented in designing if that was him <.< | ||
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Elentos
55459 Posts
On May 03 2015 08:05 Deathstar wrote: His "team" lol. A new team like deadpixel is more legit than trig. The Dead Pixels are the legittest of pixels. | ||
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Deathstar
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Elentos
55459 Posts
On May 03 2015 08:11 Deathstar wrote: Srsly. They made Fantasy a shirt with his name on it with the team logo and fly their players around to tournaments. I still remember them flying fantasy to switzerland or something just for better iem katowice qualifier latency. Reading about this shady ass team is pretty disheartening. I wonder if MC is even being paid. https://twitter.com/kenzi131/status/594124021769240578 Yeah dPix definitely takes good care of their players (or in the very least Fantasy). | ||
TelecoM
United States10666 Posts
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trixaren
2 Posts
I am newbie to this site and to esport as it functions today, although I was competing in the original doom and subspace before many if you were even around :-) Anyhow, I came across this forum when doing research on Trig. They have asked me to do some work for them so I thought I would try to find out more about them before I signed up. This forum came up. By the way, the whole valuation of the business is "interesting". The valuation (€1 billion) is based on the amount of shares and their value as traded on the stock exchange and not the actual business value. If you have a limited number of shareholders and the price you released the shares at was €3 per share and there were 3,2 million shares you end up with a €1 billion company. However, as none of the shareholders are willing to trade, the price stays put even though it is artificial. You end up with, at least on paper, a one billion euro company. :-D But at this stage it is just the perceived value of of the business (by a few individuals) whether it is substantiated or not. I would probably agree that as yet, it is unsubstantiated and potentially inflated. That on it's own does not scare me that much. So far, all info I have assimilated here is more or less what I have found with a few extras. Saying that, I have probably found more about the owners than what was presented here. Including PCs business ventures in UK. At the moment I have still not made up my mind if I will work for them and this why I am here now. Forgetting the background of the owners, what would you guys see as the main things to be sorted out to improve the perception of Trig? I am trying to figure out if it is worth my while to get involved or whether I should just to stay away. | ||
OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
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mahrgell
Germany3942 Posts
http://www.readmore.de/news/23231-trig-sucht-neuen-bilanzprfer-und-anwalt I don't feel able to give a full translation (as I do not want to be liable for eventual mistranslations), but in short it is about their auditors ending the cooperation due to various issues regarding clarity of information and doubt about their financial numbers. Also the article links another interesting site: http://www.bafin.de/SharedDocs/Veroeffentlichungen/EN/Verbrauchermitteilung/Marktmanipulation/vm_150310_warnung_empfehlung_trig_social-media_en.html;jsessionid=541A4FA7EB1666371B28E30D76B7E292.1_cid381 (link goes to the english news, the article originally links the german version) | ||
neteX
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salle
Sweden5554 Posts
On May 04 2015 22:04 trixaren wrote: Hi Guys I am newbie to this site and to esport as it functions today, although I was competing in the original doom and subspace before many if you were even around :-) Anyhow, I came across this forum when doing research on Trig. They have asked me to do some work for them so I thought I would try to find out more about them before I signed up. This forum came up. By the way, the whole valuation of the business is "interesting". The valuation (€1 billion) is based on the amount of shares and their value as traded on the stock exchange and not the actual business value. If you have a limited number of shareholders and the price you released the shares at was €3 per share and there were 3,2 million shares you end up with a €1 billion company. However, as none of the shareholders are willing to trade, the price stays put even though it is artificial. You end up with, at least on paper, a one billion euro company. :-D But at this stage it is just the perceived value of of the business (by a few individuals) whether it is substantiated or not. I would probably agree that as yet, it is unsubstantiated and potentially inflated. That on it's own does not scare me that much. So far, all info I have assimilated here is more or less what I have found with a few extras. Saying that, I have probably found more about the owners than what was presented here. Including PCs business ventures in UK. At the moment I have still not made up my mind if I will work for them and this why I am here now. Forgetting the background of the owners, what would you guys see as the main things to be sorted out to improve the perception of Trig? I am trying to figure out if it is worth my while to get involved or whether I should just to stay away. The owners have run a number of scam companies already (this is at least what I found from just googling for a little bit), I don't see why Trig would be any different. And thus to me it feels like what ever value they bring to esports is completely negated by the fact that they are most likely just trying to gain credibility and get more people to join their pyramid scheme, which they call their "social media platform". | ||
trixaren
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It does make me think | ||
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