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On February 11 2015 03:41 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 03:37 Cricketer12 wrote:On February 11 2015 03:36 Lexender wrote:On February 10 2015 23:05 OtherWorld wrote:Interesting that this part is new. I guess it's called the Lillekanin rule? (or the Swarm Host rule I guess) d:
F. Cheating - Players must compete to the best of their ability at all times.
I don't see how that rule has much to do with Lillekanin games, that part obviously refers to match fixing (competing to the best of their ability -> to not throw matches on purpose) What exactly did lillekanin do? Played several qualifiers displaying a mech/mass raven turtling style that made up for very long games, delaying the entire brackets (did one of his game beat the Mana vs Firecake record? I don't remember). And by turtling style I mean turtling style, not trying to win at all.
I didn't see the game but from what I read it was more than just a turtling style, he set up to turtle and at least in one game started browsing the internet and chatting outside of the game instead of playing but wouldn't leave the game.
Though I blame swarm hosts for at least 50% of this.
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On February 11 2015 03:41 Yakikorosu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 00:47 OtherWorld wrote:On February 11 2015 00:42 Yakikorosu wrote:
Wait so ONLY the champion is auto-seeded into Premier next season? The other 31 players all drop to Challenger? Formerly in WCS America/Europe you auto-qualified for Premier just for making it to Ro16, which I thought was too many people, but just the champion seems too few. What's wrong with the "top 8" model GSL's been using forever? Well, isn't it way funnier to make everyone go back to Challenger considering it's a single Bo5 format and not a group format? Well Challenger in WCS AM/EU was Bo5 last year too... anyway I don't mind that much I just wonder if this is good for the WCS tournament. The result of dropping everyone but champion to Challenger where they could be eliminated in a single Bo5 is a lot more churn in the tournament meaning a lot more likely that fan favorites could be eliminated. For example let's assume NaNiwa (a player I dislike but who is very popular with foreign fans) has an amazing run this season of WCS and ends up in the finals where he happens to lose. Next season he's straight back to Challenger where he might get matched up against Scarlett or Jaedong or some unknown player who cheeses him out? I question the wisdom of the decision for WCS' popularity.
No chance of seeing Scarlett in WCS next season and honestly, JD would probably lose to Naniwa.
But I agree, Challenger is stupid
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On February 11 2015 03:44 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 03:41 Yakikorosu wrote:On February 11 2015 00:47 OtherWorld wrote:On February 11 2015 00:42 Yakikorosu wrote:
Wait so ONLY the champion is auto-seeded into Premier next season? The other 31 players all drop to Challenger? Formerly in WCS America/Europe you auto-qualified for Premier just for making it to Ro16, which I thought was too many people, but just the champion seems too few. What's wrong with the "top 8" model GSL's been using forever? Well, isn't it way funnier to make everyone go back to Challenger considering it's a single Bo5 format and not a group format? Well Challenger in WCS AM/EU was Bo5 last year too... anyway I don't mind that much I just wonder if this is good for the WCS tournament. The result of dropping everyone but champion to Challenger where they could be eliminated in a single Bo5 is a lot more churn in the tournament meaning a lot more likely that fan favorites could be eliminated. For example let's assume NaNiwa (a player I dislike but who is very popular with foreign fans) has an amazing run this season of WCS and ends up in the finals where he happens to lose. Next season he's straight back to Challenger where he might get matched up against Scarlett or Jaedong or some unknown player who cheeses him out? I question the wisdom of the decision for WCS' popularity. No chance of seeing Scarlett in WCS next season and honestly, JD would probably lose to Naniwa. But I agree, Challenger is stupid
Judging from Naniwa's stream I'm not so sure about that d: And there is also Stardust to take into account.
On February 11 2015 03:43 Yakikorosu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 03:41 OtherWorld wrote:On February 11 2015 03:37 Cricketer12 wrote:On February 11 2015 03:36 Lexender wrote:On February 10 2015 23:05 OtherWorld wrote:Interesting that this part is new. I guess it's called the Lillekanin rule? (or the Swarm Host rule I guess) d:
F. Cheating - Players must compete to the best of their ability at all times.
I don't see how that rule has much to do with Lillekanin games, that part obviously refers to match fixing (competing to the best of their ability -> to not throw matches on purpose) What exactly did lillekanin do? Played several qualifiers displaying a mech/mass raven turtling style that made up for very long games, delaying the entire brackets (did one of his game beat the Mana vs Firecake record? I don't remember). And by turtling style I mean turtling style, not trying to win at all. I didn't see the game but from what I read it was more than just a turtling style, he set up to turtle and at least in one game started browsing the internet and chatting outside of the game instead of playing but wouldn't leave the game. Though I blame swarm hosts for at least 50% of this.
Yep, I edited my post.
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scarlett will be back... to take the trophy from Jaedong
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Cricketer12
United States14003 Posts
On February 11 2015 03:41 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 03:37 Cricketer12 wrote:On February 11 2015 03:36 Lexender wrote:On February 10 2015 23:05 OtherWorld wrote:Interesting that this part is new. I guess it's called the Lillekanin rule? (or the Swarm Host rule I guess) d:
F. Cheating - Players must compete to the best of their ability at all times.
I don't see how that rule has much to do with Lillekanin games, that part obviously refers to match fixing (competing to the best of their ability -> to not throw matches on purpose) What exactly did lillekanin do? Played several qualifiers displaying a mech/mass raven turtling style that made up for very long games, delaying the entire brackets (did one of his game beat the Mana vs Firecake record? I don't remember). And by turtling style I mean turtling style, not trying to win at all. However that did not led to him being DQ'ed because there was no rule about that by then ; what got him DQ'ed was checking Twitter/Twitch chat while in game, walking out of his chair and being literally AFK during the game, as well as writing "I'm a terrorist. Jihad" at the end of the game when Seeker Missile'ing his own Raven fleet.
thats fucked up
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On February 11 2015 03:44 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 03:41 Yakikorosu wrote:On February 11 2015 00:47 OtherWorld wrote:On February 11 2015 00:42 Yakikorosu wrote:
Wait so ONLY the champion is auto-seeded into Premier next season? The other 31 players all drop to Challenger? Formerly in WCS America/Europe you auto-qualified for Premier just for making it to Ro16, which I thought was too many people, but just the champion seems too few. What's wrong with the "top 8" model GSL's been using forever? Well, isn't it way funnier to make everyone go back to Challenger considering it's a single Bo5 format and not a group format? Well Challenger in WCS AM/EU was Bo5 last year too... anyway I don't mind that much I just wonder if this is good for the WCS tournament. The result of dropping everyone but champion to Challenger where they could be eliminated in a single Bo5 is a lot more churn in the tournament meaning a lot more likely that fan favorites could be eliminated. For example let's assume NaNiwa (a player I dislike but who is very popular with foreign fans) has an amazing run this season of WCS and ends up in the finals where he happens to lose. Next season he's straight back to Challenger where he might get matched up against Scarlett or Jaedong or some unknown player who cheeses him out? I question the wisdom of the decision for WCS' popularity. No chance of seeing Scarlett in WCS next season and honestly, JD would probably lose to Naniwa. But I agree, Challenger is stupid
I didn't pay super close attention to her DotA2 thread, but I thought Scarlett was supposed to come back to SC2 (or at least consider it) in a month or two?
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On February 11 2015 03:48 Yakikorosu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 03:44 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On February 11 2015 03:41 Yakikorosu wrote:On February 11 2015 00:47 OtherWorld wrote:On February 11 2015 00:42 Yakikorosu wrote:
Wait so ONLY the champion is auto-seeded into Premier next season? The other 31 players all drop to Challenger? Formerly in WCS America/Europe you auto-qualified for Premier just for making it to Ro16, which I thought was too many people, but just the champion seems too few. What's wrong with the "top 8" model GSL's been using forever? Well, isn't it way funnier to make everyone go back to Challenger considering it's a single Bo5 format and not a group format? Well Challenger in WCS AM/EU was Bo5 last year too... anyway I don't mind that much I just wonder if this is good for the WCS tournament. The result of dropping everyone but champion to Challenger where they could be eliminated in a single Bo5 is a lot more churn in the tournament meaning a lot more likely that fan favorites could be eliminated. For example let's assume NaNiwa (a player I dislike but who is very popular with foreign fans) has an amazing run this season of WCS and ends up in the finals where he happens to lose. Next season he's straight back to Challenger where he might get matched up against Scarlett or Jaedong or some unknown player who cheeses him out? I question the wisdom of the decision for WCS' popularity. No chance of seeing Scarlett in WCS next season and honestly, JD would probably lose to Naniwa. But I agree, Challenger is stupid I didn't pay super close attention to her DotA2 thread, but I thought Scarlett was supposed to come back to SC2 (or at least consider it) in a month or two?
The belligerent pessimist in me really doubts it. We'll see her back for LotV of we're lucky
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On February 11 2015 03:44 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 03:41 Yakikorosu wrote:On February 11 2015 00:47 OtherWorld wrote:On February 11 2015 00:42 Yakikorosu wrote:
Wait so ONLY the champion is auto-seeded into Premier next season? The other 31 players all drop to Challenger? Formerly in WCS America/Europe you auto-qualified for Premier just for making it to Ro16, which I thought was too many people, but just the champion seems too few. What's wrong with the "top 8" model GSL's been using forever? Well, isn't it way funnier to make everyone go back to Challenger considering it's a single Bo5 format and not a group format? Well Challenger in WCS AM/EU was Bo5 last year too... anyway I don't mind that much I just wonder if this is good for the WCS tournament. The result of dropping everyone but champion to Challenger where they could be eliminated in a single Bo5 is a lot more churn in the tournament meaning a lot more likely that fan favorites could be eliminated. For example let's assume NaNiwa (a player I dislike but who is very popular with foreign fans) has an amazing run this season of WCS and ends up in the finals where he happens to lose. Next season he's straight back to Challenger where he might get matched up against Scarlett or Jaedong or some unknown player who cheeses him out? I question the wisdom of the decision for WCS' popularity. JD would probably lose to Naniwa.
Hahaha, oh shit, can't breathe, this is too funny, but yeah challenger is not that cool, groups would be better.
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Cricketer12
United States14003 Posts
On February 11 2015 05:43 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 03:44 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On February 11 2015 03:41 Yakikorosu wrote:On February 11 2015 00:47 OtherWorld wrote:On February 11 2015 00:42 Yakikorosu wrote:
Wait so ONLY the champion is auto-seeded into Premier next season? The other 31 players all drop to Challenger? Formerly in WCS America/Europe you auto-qualified for Premier just for making it to Ro16, which I thought was too many people, but just the champion seems too few. What's wrong with the "top 8" model GSL's been using forever? Well, isn't it way funnier to make everyone go back to Challenger considering it's a single Bo5 format and not a group format? Well Challenger in WCS AM/EU was Bo5 last year too... anyway I don't mind that much I just wonder if this is good for the WCS tournament. The result of dropping everyone but champion to Challenger where they could be eliminated in a single Bo5 is a lot more churn in the tournament meaning a lot more likely that fan favorites could be eliminated. For example let's assume NaNiwa (a player I dislike but who is very popular with foreign fans) has an amazing run this season of WCS and ends up in the finals where he happens to lose. Next season he's straight back to Challenger where he might get matched up against Scarlett or Jaedong or some unknown player who cheeses him out? I question the wisdom of the decision for WCS' popularity. JD would probably lose to Naniwa. Hahaha, oh shit, can't breathe, this is too funny, but yeah challenger is not that cool, groups would be better.
you act as though it hasnt happened...and that JD is actually good right now
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On February 11 2015 05:48 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 05:43 Musicus wrote:On February 11 2015 03:44 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On February 11 2015 03:41 Yakikorosu wrote:On February 11 2015 00:47 OtherWorld wrote:On February 11 2015 00:42 Yakikorosu wrote:
Wait so ONLY the champion is auto-seeded into Premier next season? The other 31 players all drop to Challenger? Formerly in WCS America/Europe you auto-qualified for Premier just for making it to Ro16, which I thought was too many people, but just the champion seems too few. What's wrong with the "top 8" model GSL's been using forever? Well, isn't it way funnier to make everyone go back to Challenger considering it's a single Bo5 format and not a group format? Well Challenger in WCS AM/EU was Bo5 last year too... anyway I don't mind that much I just wonder if this is good for the WCS tournament. The result of dropping everyone but champion to Challenger where they could be eliminated in a single Bo5 is a lot more churn in the tournament meaning a lot more likely that fan favorites could be eliminated. For example let's assume NaNiwa (a player I dislike but who is very popular with foreign fans) has an amazing run this season of WCS and ends up in the finals where he happens to lose. Next season he's straight back to Challenger where he might get matched up against Scarlett or Jaedong or some unknown player who cheeses him out? I question the wisdom of the decision for WCS' popularity. JD would probably lose to Naniwa. Hahaha, oh shit, can't breathe, this is too funny, but yeah challenger is not that cool, groups would be better. you act as though it hasnt happened...and that JD is actually good right now
Well, right now who knows, he is kinda still on vacation and moving between continents. But least year he performed really well outside of WCS and finished the year with a good series against Bomber at BlizzCon and top4 at IEM. Gotta keep the haters in check until his glorious return :p.
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On February 11 2015 03:48 Yakikorosu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 03:44 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On February 11 2015 03:41 Yakikorosu wrote:On February 11 2015 00:47 OtherWorld wrote:On February 11 2015 00:42 Yakikorosu wrote:
Wait so ONLY the champion is auto-seeded into Premier next season? The other 31 players all drop to Challenger? Formerly in WCS America/Europe you auto-qualified for Premier just for making it to Ro16, which I thought was too many people, but just the champion seems too few. What's wrong with the "top 8" model GSL's been using forever? Well, isn't it way funnier to make everyone go back to Challenger considering it's a single Bo5 format and not a group format? Well Challenger in WCS AM/EU was Bo5 last year too... anyway I don't mind that much I just wonder if this is good for the WCS tournament. The result of dropping everyone but champion to Challenger where they could be eliminated in a single Bo5 is a lot more churn in the tournament meaning a lot more likely that fan favorites could be eliminated. For example let's assume NaNiwa (a player I dislike but who is very popular with foreign fans) has an amazing run this season of WCS and ends up in the finals where he happens to lose. Next season he's straight back to Challenger where he might get matched up against Scarlett or Jaedong or some unknown player who cheeses him out? I question the wisdom of the decision for WCS' popularity. No chance of seeing Scarlett in WCS next season and honestly, JD would probably lose to Naniwa. But I agree, Challenger is stupid I didn't pay super close attention to her DotA2 thread, but I thought Scarlett was supposed to come back to SC2 (or at least consider it) in a month or two?
Her goal is to make like a 6.5k mmr by the end of Feb. or she goes back to SC2.
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omg congrats Aeromi~ such passion
Now we just need the schedule ;_;
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On February 11 2015 10:22 eieio wrote:
omg congrats Aeromi~ such passion
Now we just need the schedule ;_;
And venue for the finals
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On February 11 2015 00:42 Yakikorosu wrote:
Wait so ONLY the champion is auto-seeded into Premier next season? The other 31 players all drop to Challenger? Formerly in WCS America/Europe you auto-qualified for Premier just for making it to Ro16, which I thought was too many people, but just the champion seems too few. What's wrong with the "top 8" model GSL's been using forever?
My theory on this: the "top 8" model would result in the WCS top 8 being mostly Korean by the end of season 2, which would virtually guarantee that no foreigners make top 16 for Blizzcon. Any Koreans in Premiere will make it to the top 8, so they would retain their spots every time. With everyone dropping down to a Bo5 challenger, at least there is a chance that a foreigner will upset a Korean in Challenger every so often, leaving space for the top foreigners to rack up points with repeat top 8 or top 4 performances.
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On February 11 2015 02:47 Makro wrote:
damn you need time to read this
innocent until proven guilty. lawyers protect the ignorant amirite?
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