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Let me guess, there were some visa issues with JD probably?
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On January 28 2015 01:35 sharkie wrote:
Let me guess, there were some visa issues with JD probably?
Maybe it was just a relax period.
I'm happy about it
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So why didn't he play in anything at the beginning of this year? Did he just want to take a longer break or did he have visa issues?
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Hopefully he didn't do too much relaxing and was getting some practice in there. If he is playing in WCS AM, he better perform!
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Good to see that he isn't going anywhere! Also, it's nice have more progamers call the silicon valley home :D
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On January 28 2015 01:37 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
So why didn't he play in anything at the beginning of this year? Did he just want to take a longer break or did he have visa issues?
most likely a longer break, he didnt try to participate SSL or IEM Taipeh.
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I'm happy that Jaedong is coming back to Starcraft, but I'm worried that without good local practice partners his skill level will suffer. I'm sure he'll do well in WCS AM, but I want to witness the return of the Tyrant, the Jaedong who could win multiple championships.
From running Google Translate on the article, it seems like he considered going back to Korea to play, but wasn't sure how that could happen if he was still on EG. Deciding to stay in WCS AM means spending time far away from his family, which he mentioned was tough on him. This was clearly the "big decision" he tweeted about.
Still, I wish him the best! I'll be cheering for him!
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So JD and Stardust are in for Season 2. That will be 6 Koreans in WCS
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Jaedong!!!! So happy he´s gonna be back kicking nerds and looking cool!
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Good news, for sure. Was a bit worried about him. Hopefully his break gave him new passion to do well in Season 2.
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Apparently he wanted to spend time with his family because he rarely saw them since his life as a progamer. It seems like he really needed some leisure and was thinking what to do next (going back to Korea, etc). Jaedong is not happy with all the rumors whereas he didn't say anything at all and they frustrated(?) him. When he says nothing, it means that he's thinking what choices to make. Jaedong asks his fans to only believe what he says from now on so that he may focus only on his practice.
He also says that he personally was to retire after returning and playing in Korea to not forget his Korean fans.
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On January 28 2015 02:08 kaykoose wrote:
So JD and Stardust are in for Season 2. That will be 6 Koreans in WCS
You're forgetting the True ZvZ Bonjwa.
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I assume studying English just means that he will be taking lessons, rather than actually doing a part time higher education, right? Good to see Jaedong will be back! Glad for him that EG could help him get the required visa!
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I know some people were wishing he'd go back to Korea and play with KeSPA but Jaedong i think know's he's probably got a few more years at most with this game. I feel like he wants to study and go to college in America not saying Korea doesnt have great college's but i feel like he is looking more toward Future, Future..
im very excited to see him still play but im also very happy he is looking foward to the future of his life.
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You know, when I think "Great representatives of North American Starcraft", I definitely think Jaedong and Hydra. Because they have provided so incredibly much to the NA scene.
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On January 28 2015 03:01 Circumstance wrote:
You know, when I think "Great representatives of North American Starcraft", I definitely think Jaedong and Hydra. Because they have provided so incredibly much to the NA scene.
It's better than having bad players win a lot of money. Who does NA really have right now? Huk, puck, Kane, etc. These guys are okay, but they're shouldn't be the players winning a huge tournament. NA is kind of a joke right now, even compared to EU.
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wow so jaedong moving to the US, that's awesome
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When does WCS s2 start? Is there any chance it could be LotV instead of HotS?
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On January 28 2015 03:32 Tenks wrote:
When does WCS s2 start? Is there any chance it could be LotV instead of HotS?
0 chance. Unless some major, major changes happens that radically change today's world, WCS S2 will begin right after S1 finishes, which should be around March I believe. While LotV is scheduled for 2016, probably.
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On January 28 2015 03:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 03:01 Circumstance wrote:
You know, when I think "Great representatives of North American Starcraft", I definitely think Jaedong and Hydra. Because they have provided so incredibly much to the NA scene. It's better than having bad players win a lot of money. Who does NA really have right now? Huk, puck, Kane, etc. These guys are okay, but they're shouldn't be the players winning a huge tournament. NA is kind of a joke right now, even compared to EU.
Call me crazy, SGTK, but I think WCS is more about giving opportunity to succeed for someone outside of a single country, and less about seeing which region will have the best players choose to move there.
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On January 28 2015 03:38 Circumstance wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 03:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:01 Circumstance wrote:
You know, when I think "Great representatives of North American Starcraft", I definitely think Jaedong and Hydra. Because they have provided so incredibly much to the NA scene. It's better than having bad players win a lot of money. Who does NA really have right now? Huk, puck, Kane, etc. These guys are okay, but they're shouldn't be the players winning a huge tournament. NA is kind of a joke right now, even compared to EU. Call me crazy, SGTK, but I think WCS is more about giving opportunity to succeed for someone outside of a single country, and less about seeing which region will have the best players choose to move there.
Well, in theory I suppose, but it's also about showcasing the highest level of play, which NA simply cannot do. NA doesn't even have Scarlett to give them "top foreigner" credit anymore.
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Hello, this is JaeDong. I'll be living in San Francisco where EG's gaming house is located. I will live together with some EG staff and Dota players, but I heard iNcontroL and Suppy lives nearby so that's good. You guys will be able to see me in WCS NA from Season 2. I'm glad EG was able to make this happen for me. I'm so excited about this. I'll be studying English too. Please wish me luck
This was written up by some PR person at EG. Cmon now u know damn well JD don't talk like that. I'm surprised they didn't even throw in a mention to Monster in there.
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On January 28 2015 03:43 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 03:38 Circumstance wrote:On January 28 2015 03:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:01 Circumstance wrote:
You know, when I think "Great representatives of North American Starcraft", I definitely think Jaedong and Hydra. Because they have provided so incredibly much to the NA scene. It's better than having bad players win a lot of money. Who does NA really have right now? Huk, puck, Kane, etc. These guys are okay, but they're shouldn't be the players winning a huge tournament. NA is kind of a joke right now, even compared to EU. Call me crazy, SGTK, but I think WCS is more about giving opportunity to succeed for someone outside of a single country, and less about seeing which region will have the best players choose to move there. Well, in theory I suppose, but it's also about showcasing the highest level of play, which NA simply cannot do. NA doesn't even have Scarlett to give them "top foreigner" credit anymore.
"LOL NA so bad" is not a justification. Moving to a new region for the sole purpose of taking up one of their qualifier spots while contributing little to nothing to their scene is not OK, regardless of region. I feel the same way about Heart in China as I do about JD and Hydra (and potentially Stardust) in NA.
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On January 28 2015 03:55 Circumstance wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 03:43 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:38 Circumstance wrote:On January 28 2015 03:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:01 Circumstance wrote:
You know, when I think "Great representatives of North American Starcraft", I definitely think Jaedong and Hydra. Because they have provided so incredibly much to the NA scene. It's better than having bad players win a lot of money. Who does NA really have right now? Huk, puck, Kane, etc. These guys are okay, but they're shouldn't be the players winning a huge tournament. NA is kind of a joke right now, even compared to EU. Call me crazy, SGTK, but I think WCS is more about giving opportunity to succeed for someone outside of a single country, and less about seeing which region will have the best players choose to move there. Well, in theory I suppose, but it's also about showcasing the highest level of play, which NA simply cannot do. NA doesn't even have Scarlett to give them "top foreigner" credit anymore. "LOL NA so bad" is not a justification. Moving to a new region for the sole purpose of taking up one of their qualifier spots while contributing little to nothing to their scene is not OK, regardless of region. I feel the same way about Heart in China as I do about JD and Hydra (and potentially Stardust) in NA.
Hydra arrived very recently, give him a chance...
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On January 28 2015 03:43 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 03:38 Circumstance wrote:On January 28 2015 03:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:01 Circumstance wrote:
You know, when I think "Great representatives of North American Starcraft", I definitely think Jaedong and Hydra. Because they have provided so incredibly much to the NA scene. It's better than having bad players win a lot of money. Who does NA really have right now? Huk, puck, Kane, etc. These guys are okay, but they're shouldn't be the players winning a huge tournament. NA is kind of a joke right now, even compared to EU. Call me crazy, SGTK, but I think WCS is more about giving opportunity to succeed for someone outside of a single country, and less about seeing which region will have the best players choose to move there. Well, in theory I suppose, but it's also about showcasing the highest level of play, which NA simply cannot do. NA doesn't even have Scarlett to give them "top foreigner" credit anymore.
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On January 28 2015 02:08 kaykoose wrote:
So JD and Stardust are in for Season 2. That will be 6 Koreans in WCS
Gonna be less north americans in premier than last year XDD
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On January 28 2015 03:55 Circumstance wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 03:43 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:38 Circumstance wrote:On January 28 2015 03:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:01 Circumstance wrote:
You know, when I think "Great representatives of North American Starcraft", I definitely think Jaedong and Hydra. Because they have provided so incredibly much to the NA scene. It's better than having bad players win a lot of money. Who does NA really have right now? Huk, puck, Kane, etc. These guys are okay, but they're shouldn't be the players winning a huge tournament. NA is kind of a joke right now, even compared to EU. Call me crazy, SGTK, but I think WCS is more about giving opportunity to succeed for someone outside of a single country, and less about seeing which region will have the best players choose to move there. Well, in theory I suppose, but it's also about showcasing the highest level of play, which NA simply cannot do. NA doesn't even have Scarlett to give them "top foreigner" credit anymore. "LOL NA so bad" is not a justification. Moving to a new region for the sole purpose of taking up one of their qualifier spots while contributing little to nothing to their scene is not OK, regardless of region. I feel the same way about Heart in China as I do about JD and Hydra (and potentially Stardust) in NA.
Polt moved to NA to go to school, should we not allow him either? If a NA player wanted to move to EU, they could compete in EU qualifiers if they wanted to. These Koreans contribute to the scene in that they play on NA ladder and there presence helps the players in that region as a whole in terms of practice and motivation.
On January 28 2015 03:59 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 03:43 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:38 Circumstance wrote:On January 28 2015 03:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:01 Circumstance wrote:
You know, when I think "Great representatives of North American Starcraft", I definitely think Jaedong and Hydra. Because they have provided so incredibly much to the NA scene. It's better than having bad players win a lot of money. Who does NA really have right now? Huk, puck, Kane, etc. These guys are okay, but they're shouldn't be the players winning a huge tournament. NA is kind of a joke right now, even compared to EU. Call me crazy, SGTK, but I think WCS is more about giving opportunity to succeed for someone outside of a single country, and less about seeing which region will have the best players choose to move there. Well, in theory I suppose, but it's also about showcasing the highest level of play, which NA simply cannot do. NA doesn't even have Scarlett to give them "top foreigner" credit anymore. major
He has to compete in shit to be a top player. We haven't seen him in so long it's hard to judge his current skill level.
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On January 28 2015 04:00 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 02:08 kaykoose wrote:
So JD and Stardust are in for Season 2. That will be 6 Koreans in WCS Gonna be less north americans in premier than last year XDD
Only because you aren't playing!!
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On January 28 2015 04:04 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 04:00 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On January 28 2015 02:08 kaykoose wrote:
So JD and Stardust are in for Season 2. That will be 6 Koreans in WCS Gonna be less north americans in premier than last year XDD Only because you aren't playing!!
Astrea is NA, so it doesn't matter either way.
edit: misread that. still... JD and Stardust would probably make it regardless of her.
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On January 28 2015 04:00 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 03:55 Circumstance wrote:On January 28 2015 03:43 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:38 Circumstance wrote:On January 28 2015 03:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:01 Circumstance wrote:
You know, when I think "Great representatives of North American Starcraft", I definitely think Jaedong and Hydra. Because they have provided so incredibly much to the NA scene. It's better than having bad players win a lot of money. Who does NA really have right now? Huk, puck, Kane, etc. These guys are okay, but they're shouldn't be the players winning a huge tournament. NA is kind of a joke right now, even compared to EU. Call me crazy, SGTK, but I think WCS is more about giving opportunity to succeed for someone outside of a single country, and less about seeing which region will have the best players choose to move there. Well, in theory I suppose, but it's also about showcasing the highest level of play, which NA simply cannot do. NA doesn't even have Scarlett to give them "top foreigner" credit anymore. "LOL NA so bad" is not a justification. Moving to a new region for the sole purpose of taking up one of their qualifier spots while contributing little to nothing to their scene is not OK, regardless of region. I feel the same way about Heart in China as I do about JD and Hydra (and potentially Stardust) in NA. Polt moved to NA to go to school, should we not allow him either? If a NA player wanted to move to EU, they could compete in EU qualifiers if they wanted to. These Koreans contribute to the scene in that they play on NA ladder and there presence helps the players in that region as a whole in terms of practice and motivation. Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 03:59 sharkie wrote:On January 28 2015 03:43 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:38 Circumstance wrote:On January 28 2015 03:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:01 Circumstance wrote:
You know, when I think "Great representatives of North American Starcraft", I definitely think Jaedong and Hydra. Because they have provided so incredibly much to the NA scene. It's better than having bad players win a lot of money. Who does NA really have right now? Huk, puck, Kane, etc. These guys are okay, but they're shouldn't be the players winning a huge tournament. NA is kind of a joke right now, even compared to EU. Call me crazy, SGTK, but I think WCS is more about giving opportunity to succeed for someone outside of a single country, and less about seeing which region will have the best players choose to move there. Well, in theory I suppose, but it's also about showcasing the highest level of play, which NA simply cannot do. NA doesn't even have Scarlett to give them "top foreigner" credit anymore. major He has to compete in shit to be a top player. We haven't seen him in so long it's hard to judge his current skill level.
He had qualified for IEM San Jose, a feat that was only repeated by vortix and both dropped out... >.<
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On January 28 2015 04:00 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 03:55 Circumstance wrote:On January 28 2015 03:43 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:38 Circumstance wrote:On January 28 2015 03:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:01 Circumstance wrote:
You know, when I think "Great representatives of North American Starcraft", I definitely think Jaedong and Hydra. Because they have provided so incredibly much to the NA scene. It's better than having bad players win a lot of money. Who does NA really have right now? Huk, puck, Kane, etc. These guys are okay, but they're shouldn't be the players winning a huge tournament. NA is kind of a joke right now, even compared to EU. Call me crazy, SGTK, but I think WCS is more about giving opportunity to succeed for someone outside of a single country, and less about seeing which region will have the best players choose to move there. Well, in theory I suppose, but it's also about showcasing the highest level of play, which NA simply cannot do. NA doesn't even have Scarlett to give them "top foreigner" credit anymore. "LOL NA so bad" is not a justification. Moving to a new region for the sole purpose of taking up one of their qualifier spots while contributing little to nothing to their scene is not OK, regardless of region. I feel the same way about Heart in China as I do about JD and Hydra (and potentially Stardust) in NA. Polt moved to NA to go to school, should we not allow him either? If a NA player wanted to move to EU, they could compete in EU qualifiers if they wanted to. These Koreans contribute to the scene in that they play on NA ladder and there presence helps the players in that region as a whole in terms of practice and motivation.
For that question, I ask "who would still be living where they are if WCS wasn't a factor?" Polt would, Violet would, and ForGG would. Hydra wouldn't. JD sure as hell wouldn't. As for ladder, I don't know enough about anyone's practice habits to say, but for motivation, I 100% disagree. I think having all of your time and effort go to waste by being barricaded from opportunity and money time and again by someone who got all of the worthwhile practice you wren't able to get and then decided to move over to your region because the competition was easier is one of the most demotivating things imaginable.
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On January 28 2015 04:25 Circumstance wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 04:00 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:55 Circumstance wrote:On January 28 2015 03:43 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:38 Circumstance wrote:On January 28 2015 03:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:01 Circumstance wrote:
You know, when I think "Great representatives of North American Starcraft", I definitely think Jaedong and Hydra. Because they have provided so incredibly much to the NA scene. It's better than having bad players win a lot of money. Who does NA really have right now? Huk, puck, Kane, etc. These guys are okay, but they're shouldn't be the players winning a huge tournament. NA is kind of a joke right now, even compared to EU. Call me crazy, SGTK, but I think WCS is more about giving opportunity to succeed for someone outside of a single country, and less about seeing which region will have the best players choose to move there. Well, in theory I suppose, but it's also about showcasing the highest level of play, which NA simply cannot do. NA doesn't even have Scarlett to give them "top foreigner" credit anymore. "LOL NA so bad" is not a justification. Moving to a new region for the sole purpose of taking up one of their qualifier spots while contributing little to nothing to their scene is not OK, regardless of region. I feel the same way about Heart in China as I do about JD and Hydra (and potentially Stardust) in NA. Polt moved to NA to go to school, should we not allow him either? If a NA player wanted to move to EU, they could compete in EU qualifiers if they wanted to. These Koreans contribute to the scene in that they play on NA ladder and there presence helps the players in that region as a whole in terms of practice and motivation. For that question, I ask "who would still be living where they are if WCS wasn't a factor?" Polt would, Violet would, and ForGG would. Hydra wouldn't. JD sure as hell wouldn't. As for ladder, I don't know enough about anyone's practice habits to say, but for motivation, I 100% disagree. I think having all of your time and effort go to waste by being barricaded from opportunity and money time and again by someone who got all of the worthwhile practice you wren't able to get and then decided to move over to your region because the competition was easier is one of the most demotivating things imaginable.
We can't say for certain Hydra or JD wouldn't. Is it obviously a factor? Certainly, but Hydra and JD both wanted out of Kespa to begin with or they'd still be in Korea. As for motivation... I depends on the person I suppose. Some might be motivated to move over to where the practice is best if it's possible to move over to where the competition is easier.
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I read his interview in korean, it felt like he was reluctantly coming back to america for money
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If he does retire from Starcraft 2, I'd love it if he returned to Korea, started playing Brood War again, and competed in the Sonic Starleague (in my dream he'd get to the final against Bisu and defeat him in a close, exciting set)
Fans of Jaedong who only know him from Starcraft 2 don't really understand how incredible he was at Brood War. His muta micro alone was jaw-dropping. I remember one time I saw him rally two Scourge down to the other side of the map at precisely the right time to slam into his opponent's just-hatched mutalisk. He then went on to win that game with muta wars because he was up one muta. He was that good.
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On January 28 2015 04:46 Jeremy Reimer wrote:
If he does retire from Starcraft 2, I'd love it if he returned to Korea, started playing Brood War again, and competed in the Sonic Starleague (in my dream he'd get to the final against Bisu and defeat him in a close, exciting set)
Fans of Jaedong who only know him from Starcraft 2 don't really understand how incredible he was at Brood War. His muta micro alone was jaw-dropping. I remember one time I saw him rally two Scourge down to the other side of the map at precisely the right time to slam into his opponent's just-hatched mutalisk. He then went on to win that game with muta wars because he was up one muta. He was that good.
You don't sign a new contract with a team that has most likely no interest in BW at all, to then retire 2 months later though.
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On January 28 2015 03:55 Circumstance wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 03:43 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:38 Circumstance wrote:On January 28 2015 03:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:01 Circumstance wrote:
You know, when I think "Great representatives of North American Starcraft", I definitely think Jaedong and Hydra. Because they have provided so incredibly much to the NA scene. It's better than having bad players win a lot of money. Who does NA really have right now? Huk, puck, Kane, etc. These guys are okay, but they're shouldn't be the players winning a huge tournament. NA is kind of a joke right now, even compared to EU. Call me crazy, SGTK, but I think WCS is more about giving opportunity to succeed for someone outside of a single country, and less about seeing which region will have the best players choose to move there. Well, in theory I suppose, but it's also about showcasing the highest level of play, which NA simply cannot do. NA doesn't even have Scarlett to give them "top foreigner" credit anymore. "LOL NA so bad" is not a justification. Moving to a new region for the sole purpose of taking up one of their qualifier spots while contributing little to nothing to their scene is not OK, regardless of region. I feel the same way about Heart in China as I do about JD and Hydra (and potentially Stardust) in NA.
god i'm tired of this ugly ignorant attitude. reminds me of people who complain that mexicans "steal jobs" in america. completely discounting the significance of moving to a new country and adapting to a new culture, as if it's something done on a whim as a marginal career move.
if someone is willing to move to a new place they have absolutely every right to work any local job they are qualified for, and the local industry should be thankful to have the addition to their talent pool. applies to gaming like anything else. to suggest that people of a different ancestry or national background have less "claim" to honest work is the height of ignorance.
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On January 28 2015 03:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 03:01 Circumstance wrote:
You know, when I think "Great representatives of North American Starcraft", I definitely think Jaedong and Hydra. Because they have provided so incredibly much to the NA scene. It's better than having bad players win a lot of money. Who does NA really have right now? Huk, puck, Kane, etc. These guys are okay, but they're shouldn't be the players winning a huge tournament. NA is kind of a joke right now, even compared to EU.
So let's keep it a joke then.
See the problem with your arguement is that it flies in the face of how talent is created in every other sport. It is ignorant.
If Korea decided to create a professional American Football league and paid players the same as the NFL, second rate NFL players from the US would flock to Korea. And there would be almost no Koreans on the teams, because Korea doesn't have the same infrastructure to build talent that the United State has.
In the United States players begin in grade school, continue thru middle and high school and into college where they are groomed and learn from the best football coaches in the world. Korea doesn't have that. To expect a league in Korea that pays the same as the NFL to attract Koreans is ludicrous. Sure, you'll have some bench warmers from Korea, but that is what WCS America had too: the lower tier players were from America when the regions weren't locked.
The same is true for Starcraft. The US doesn't have the infrastructure to build SC2 talent like Korea does. The US doesn't have the teams, the sponsors, the coaches. But the solution is not simply to import Korean talent and called it fixed.
The solution is to make it economically viable for good US players to develop, and the only way to do that is to "pay bad players" from America, in your own words to build an infrastructure. By doing so, you'll increase the number of people in America vying to be a player, that will create teams and attract coaches (possibly from Korea).
That is the way to build the American scene, and I said this from the first moment Blizzard decided not to region lock. And look where we are now. Had they region locked from the get-go, the American scene would be in far better shape.
On January 28 2015 06:12 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 03:55 Circumstance wrote:On January 28 2015 03:43 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:38 Circumstance wrote:On January 28 2015 03:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:01 Circumstance wrote:
You know, when I think "Great representatives of North American Starcraft", I definitely think Jaedong and Hydra. Because they have provided so incredibly much to the NA scene. It's better than having bad players win a lot of money. Who does NA really have right now? Huk, puck, Kane, etc. These guys are okay, but they're shouldn't be the players winning a huge tournament. NA is kind of a joke right now, even compared to EU. Call me crazy, SGTK, but I think WCS is more about giving opportunity to succeed for someone outside of a single country, and less about seeing which region will have the best players choose to move there. Well, in theory I suppose, but it's also about showcasing the highest level of play, which NA simply cannot do. NA doesn't even have Scarlett to give them "top foreigner" credit anymore. "LOL NA so bad" is not a justification. Moving to a new region for the sole purpose of taking up one of their qualifier spots while contributing little to nothing to their scene is not OK, regardless of region. I feel the same way about Heart in China as I do about JD and Hydra (and potentially Stardust) in NA. god i'm tired of this ugly ignorant attitude. reminds me of people who complain that mexicans "steal jobs" in america. completely discounting the significance of moving to a new country and adapting to a new culture, as if it's something done on a whim as a marginal career move. if someone is willing to move to a new place they have absolutely every right to work any local job they are qualified for, and the local industry should be thankful to have the addition to their talent pool. applies to gaming like anything else. to suggest that people of a different ancestry or national background have less "claim" to honest work is the height of ignorance.
Your logic applies well to pretty much every industry, except entertainment. In entertainment it is about drawing eyeballs, not so much talent. Basically, what you are saying, is that I should think a woman is beautiful because she has won a bunch of beauty awards (or talented in the case of SC2), but beauty is in the eye of beholder.
But people want to cheer for whomever they like. And a lot of people (dare I say most people, including me) like to cheer for the underdog, someone different than who usually wins, and someone they can relate too, and someone from their area. Is it ignorant? Sure, but you can't tell people who they think is beautiful or what kind of music requires more talent, and is therefore "better."
Jaedong is really hard for me to relate too. Even if he is more talented than Idra, I don't go out of my way to watch him. But I went way out of my way to watch Idra, and I go out of my way to watch other players I like too.
And because this industry thrives on money from drawing eyes balls, your logic just doesn't pan out.
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On January 28 2015 05:00 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 04:46 Jeremy Reimer wrote:
If he does retire from Starcraft 2, I'd love it if he returned to Korea, started playing Brood War again, and competed in the Sonic Starleague (in my dream he'd get to the final against Bisu and defeat him in a close, exciting set)
Fans of Jaedong who only know him from Starcraft 2 don't really understand how incredible he was at Brood War. His muta micro alone was jaw-dropping. I remember one time I saw him rally two Scourge down to the other side of the map at precisely the right time to slam into his opponent's just-hatched mutalisk. He then went on to win that game with muta wars because he was up one muta. He was that good.
You don't sign a new contract with a team that has most likely no interest in BW at all, to then retire 2 months later though.
No, I meant in another year or two, after his current contract expires.
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On January 28 2015 06:23 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 03:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:01 Circumstance wrote:
You know, when I think "Great representatives of North American Starcraft", I definitely think Jaedong and Hydra. Because they have provided so incredibly much to the NA scene. It's better than having bad players win a lot of money. Who does NA really have right now? Huk, puck, Kane, etc. These guys are okay, but they're shouldn't be the players winning a huge tournament. NA is kind of a joke right now, even compared to EU. So let's keep it a joke then. See the problem with you're arguement is that it flies in the face of how talent is created in every other sport. It is ignorant. If Korea decided to create a professional American Football league and paid players the same as the NFL, NFL players from the US would flock to Korea. And there would be almost no Koreans on the teams, because Korea doesn't have the same infrastructure to build talent that the United State has. In the United States players begin in grade school, continue thru middle and high school and into college where they are groomed and learn from the best football coaches in the world. Korea doesn't have that. To expect a league in Korea that pays the same as the NFL to attract Koreans is ludicrous. Sure, you'll have some bench warmers from Korea, but that is what WCS America had too: the lower tier players were from America when the regions weren't locked. The same is true for Starcraft. The US doesn't have the infrastructure to build SC2 talent like Korea does. The US doesn't have the teams, the sponsors, the coaches. The solution is not simply to import Korean talent and called it fixed. The solution is to make it economically viable for good US players to develop, and the only way to do that is to "pay bad players" from America, in your own words. By doing so, you'll increase the number of people in America vying to be a player, that will create teams and attract coaches (possibly from Korea). That is the way to build the American scene, and I said this from the first moment Blizzard decided not to region lock. And look where we are now. Had they region locked from the get-go, the American scene would be in far better shape.
but people don't want to watch foreign sc2. i don't mind watching it, but generally people prefer korean talent. TB already proved this even while he was trying his best to prove the opposite. the viewership isn't there.
so you can't really expect anyone to dump money into a scene that hasn't proven itself economically viable just for the sake of "so foreigners can be good too." people don't have an inherent right to succeed at the same rate in every region of the world. if you open a sushi restaraunt in a rural texas village you can't cry foul when no one shows up because no one wants sushi.
if someone is generous enough to develop the scene at cost to themselves then sure that's great. but blixzard doesn't have to make all parts of the world equal just for the sake of equality. it is a business.
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But I did, and I still do! You get me a good tournament full of only Americans and send the top few to the World Championships to play against Koreans and I'll watch it. And I'll watch the World Championship to see how they do versus Koreans. That is what was so exciting about the first season of WCS, watching the regional qualifiers, and then seeing if the players could do anything against the Koreans.
And god-forbid if a foreigner won, just imagine that... the hype for SC2 would go through the roof.
But Blizzard killed that hype with non-region locked WCS.
I also used to enjoy going from GSL to non-Korean tournaments. It was fun to watch both. But then when they didn't region WCS we only got to watch one: Korean tournaments.
We got second rate Koreans in America and top tier in Korea. Variety was thus removed.
They aren't doing for the sake of equality! It is business and my response to your comment shows that.
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On January 28 2015 06:12 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 03:55 Circumstance wrote:On January 28 2015 03:43 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:38 Circumstance wrote:On January 28 2015 03:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:01 Circumstance wrote:
You know, when I think "Great representatives of North American Starcraft", I definitely think Jaedong and Hydra. Because they have provided so incredibly much to the NA scene. It's better than having bad players win a lot of money. Who does NA really have right now? Huk, puck, Kane, etc. These guys are okay, but they're shouldn't be the players winning a huge tournament. NA is kind of a joke right now, even compared to EU. Call me crazy, SGTK, but I think WCS is more about giving opportunity to succeed for someone outside of a single country, and less about seeing which region will have the best players choose to move there. Well, in theory I suppose, but it's also about showcasing the highest level of play, which NA simply cannot do. NA doesn't even have Scarlett to give them "top foreigner" credit anymore. "LOL NA so bad" is not a justification. Moving to a new region for the sole purpose of taking up one of their qualifier spots while contributing little to nothing to their scene is not OK, regardless of region. I feel the same way about Heart in China as I do about JD and Hydra (and potentially Stardust) in NA. god i'm tired of this ugly ignorant attitude. reminds me of people who complain that mexicans "steal jobs" in america. completely discounting the significance of moving to a new country and adapting to a new culture, as if it's something done on a whim as a marginal career move. if someone is willing to move to a new place they have absolutely every right to work any local job they are qualified for, and the local industry should be thankful to have the addition to their talent pool. applies to gaming like anything else. to suggest that people of a different ancestry or national background have less "claim" to honest work is the height of ignorance.
No, the height of ignorance is comparing people with diverse backgrounds and experiences moving from Mexico to the US to start a new life as equivalent to a dude coming to the US because he saw it as an easier opportunity to grab onto money and fame. If WCS did not require visas, this thread would not exist. Period. Qualifier spots are inherently fixed in number. Jobs in general are not. Your example of Mexican immigration includes people who are doing work that would otherwise not be done, and contributes to their society's growth. As discussed earlier, these new players coming in and laying claim to the American qualification are, if anything, shrinking the NA scene. The economy Mexicans are immigrating into is growing. The scene the Koreans are moving for is slowly shrinking, and will continue to slowly shrink for at least the remainder oF the current expansion. SC2 is the ONLY esport in which one's nation of birth can pre-ordain whether they will have any chance whatsoever to become a success. It is the ONLY esport in which the flags in the finals can be filled in before a tournament starts and almost always be right. And that will NOT change if the few opportunities foreigners have are drained by these "big decisions".
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On January 28 2015 06:34 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 06:23 BronzeKnee wrote:On January 28 2015 03:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:01 Circumstance wrote:
You know, when I think "Great representatives of North American Starcraft", I definitely think Jaedong and Hydra. Because they have provided so incredibly much to the NA scene. It's better than having bad players win a lot of money. Who does NA really have right now? Huk, puck, Kane, etc. These guys are okay, but they're shouldn't be the players winning a huge tournament. NA is kind of a joke right now, even compared to EU. So let's keep it a joke then. See the problem with you're arguement is that it flies in the face of how talent is created in every other sport. It is ignorant. If Korea decided to create a professional American Football league and paid players the same as the NFL, NFL players from the US would flock to Korea. And there would be almost no Koreans on the teams, because Korea doesn't have the same infrastructure to build talent that the United State has. In the United States players begin in grade school, continue thru middle and high school and into college where they are groomed and learn from the best football coaches in the world. Korea doesn't have that. To expect a league in Korea that pays the same as the NFL to attract Koreans is ludicrous. Sure, you'll have some bench warmers from Korea, but that is what WCS America had too: the lower tier players were from America when the regions weren't locked. The same is true for Starcraft. The US doesn't have the infrastructure to build SC2 talent like Korea does. The US doesn't have the teams, the sponsors, the coaches. The solution is not simply to import Korean talent and called it fixed. The solution is to make it economically viable for good US players to develop, and the only way to do that is to "pay bad players" from America, in your own words. By doing so, you'll increase the number of people in America vying to be a player, that will create teams and attract coaches (possibly from Korea). That is the way to build the American scene, and I said this from the first moment Blizzard decided not to region lock. And look where we are now. Had they region locked from the get-go, the American scene would be in far better shape. but people don't want to watch foreign sc2. i don't mind watching it, but generally people prefer korean talent. TB already proved this even while he was trying his best to prove the opposite. the viewership isn't there. so you can't really expect anyone to dump money into a scene that hasn't proven itself economically viable just for the sake of "so foreigners can be good too." people don't have an inherent right to succeed at the same rate in every region of the world. if you open a sushi restaraunt in a rural texas village you can't cry foul when no one shows up because no one wants sushi. if someone is generous enough to develop the scene at cost to themselves then sure that's great. but blixzard doesn't have to make all parts of the world equal just for the sake of equality. it is a business.
oh people want to see foreign sc2, they want to see foreign sc2 defeat Koreans, nothing will attract more viewers than foreigners go far in tournaments where Koreans participated in. 2014 was pretty poor in that regard (Sen and Bunny's victories weren't in high profile tournaments like DH, IEM, RB or WCS :/)
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On January 28 2015 06:45 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 06:34 brickrd wrote:On January 28 2015 06:23 BronzeKnee wrote:On January 28 2015 03:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:01 Circumstance wrote:
You know, when I think "Great representatives of North American Starcraft", I definitely think Jaedong and Hydra. Because they have provided so incredibly much to the NA scene. It's better than having bad players win a lot of money. Who does NA really have right now? Huk, puck, Kane, etc. These guys are okay, but they're shouldn't be the players winning a huge tournament. NA is kind of a joke right now, even compared to EU. So let's keep it a joke then. See the problem with you're arguement is that it flies in the face of how talent is created in every other sport. It is ignorant. If Korea decided to create a professional American Football league and paid players the same as the NFL, NFL players from the US would flock to Korea. And there would be almost no Koreans on the teams, because Korea doesn't have the same infrastructure to build talent that the United State has. In the United States players begin in grade school, continue thru middle and high school and into college where they are groomed and learn from the best football coaches in the world. Korea doesn't have that. To expect a league in Korea that pays the same as the NFL to attract Koreans is ludicrous. Sure, you'll have some bench warmers from Korea, but that is what WCS America had too: the lower tier players were from America when the regions weren't locked. The same is true for Starcraft. The US doesn't have the infrastructure to build SC2 talent like Korea does. The US doesn't have the teams, the sponsors, the coaches. The solution is not simply to import Korean talent and called it fixed. The solution is to make it economically viable for good US players to develop, and the only way to do that is to "pay bad players" from America, in your own words. By doing so, you'll increase the number of people in America vying to be a player, that will create teams and attract coaches (possibly from Korea). That is the way to build the American scene, and I said this from the first moment Blizzard decided not to region lock. And look where we are now. Had they region locked from the get-go, the American scene would be in far better shape. but people don't want to watch foreign sc2. i don't mind watching it, but generally people prefer korean talent. TB already proved this even while he was trying his best to prove the opposite. the viewership isn't there. so you can't really expect anyone to dump money into a scene that hasn't proven itself economically viable just for the sake of "so foreigners can be good too." people don't have an inherent right to succeed at the same rate in every region of the world. if you open a sushi restaraunt in a rural texas village you can't cry foul when no one shows up because no one wants sushi. if someone is generous enough to develop the scene at cost to themselves then sure that's great. but blixzard doesn't have to make all parts of the world equal just for the sake of equality. it is a business. oh people want to see foreign sc2, they want to see foreign sc2 defeat Koreans, nothing will attract more viewers than foreigners go far in tournaments where Koreans participated in. 2014 was pretty poor in that regard (Sen and Bunny's victories weren't in high profile tournaments like DH, IEM, RB or WCS :/)
Bingo, and the way to get there is to invest in foreigners.
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I'm a big Jaedong fan and I'm just happy he keeps playing StarCraft 2. Hopefully, it will be a year closer to 2013 than 2014. Remember the 2013 Jaedong? He was a BEAST.
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WCS changes, post-2012, killed SC 2. Since most players are casual they don't realize this, so place blame elsewhere. There is nothing more demoralizing about this game than WCS.
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On January 28 2015 06:50 Naikonz wrote:
I'm a big Jaedong fan and I'm just happy he keeps playing StarCraft 2. Hopefully, it will be a year closer to 2013 than 2014. Remember the 2013 Jaedong? He was a BEAST.
I still remember 2007-2010 Jaedong.
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On January 28 2015 04:00 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 02:08 kaykoose wrote:
So JD and Stardust are in for Season 2. That will be 6 Koreans in WCS Gonna be less north americans in premier than last year XDD
...and blizzard is on #TryHard mode to switch this around. maybe they're just not trying enough.
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I hate to be Switzerland in this scenario, but I do see both sides to the argument.
On one hand, we have only eight WCS NA spots available, and already three are filled by Koreans. With JD probably taking another spot, that means in Season 2 we will see four Koreans taking the WCS NA spots. That leaves only four more left to the North Americans. Compared to EU, which has 14 slots, with only one taken by a Korean. This puts the North American scene in dire straits.
In the other side, we have a weak NA scene that could use talented ringers from Korea to bolster the region and help others become better by providing the much needed stiff competition.
Having Koreans participating in WCS NA is both a blessing and curse, but its not a 50/50 distribution.
I feel in the short term, it hurts the NA scene a lot. We have so few coveted spots, that taking them away from some of the hard working players from Canada, USA, and Mexico further hurts the scene.
In the long run though, it helps the NA scene. With players like JD providing the NA players with high calibre competition, they themselves will improve and become better players.
We will see how things develop in the NA scene. For now, lets just keep an open mind.
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If a ton of Koreans actually end up switching, maybe time to just make Nationality a requirement? I for one am tired of B-Tier Koreans. So very tired.
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On January 28 2015 08:57 ilovegroov wrote:
If a ton of Koreans actually end up switching, maybe time to just make Nationality a requirement? I for one am tired of B-Tier Koreans. So very tired.
Obviously it should be by citizenship. Anyone with any ounce of common sense or foresight would have known this in 2012, let alone by now. The only alternative, that isn't incredibly unprofessional and 100% death of the scene, is to have alloted spots for people that aren't citizens of that region. If there were a tournament where 3 non NA citizens could qualify for WCS NA, then maybe that would be OK. With how WCS is now, I have absolutely 0 idea why anyone would get this game or why we shouldn't expect to see the same handful of people each WCS. Even if you qualify, with how it is now, you'd have to be depressed about the future of the game.
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On January 28 2015 09:09 playa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 08:57 ilovegroov wrote:
If a ton of Koreans actually end up switching, maybe time to just make Nationality a requirement? I for one am tired of B-Tier Koreans. So very tired. Obviously it should be by citizenship. Anyone with any ounce of common sense or foresight would have known this in 2012, let alone by now. The only alternative, that isn't incredibly unprofessional and 100% death of the scene, is to have alloted spots for people that aren't citizens of that region. If there were a tournament where 3 non NA citizens could qualify for WCS NA, then maybe that would be OK. With how WCS is now, I have absolutely 0 idea why anyone would get this game or why we shouldn't expect to see the same handful of people each WCS. Even if you qualify, with how it is now, you'd have to be depressed about the future of the game.
I understand you, but don't you think you are exaggerating a little bit? I highly doubt we will see dozens of Koreans immigrating to North America because of WCS.
However, you do make a great point. So few North Americans are participating that we will unlikely see new blood enter WCS NA. I think that is a greater detriment than Koreans participating in WCS NA.
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On January 28 2015 09:16 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 09:09 playa wrote:On January 28 2015 08:57 ilovegroov wrote:
If a ton of Koreans actually end up switching, maybe time to just make Nationality a requirement? I for one am tired of B-Tier Koreans. So very tired. Obviously it should be by citizenship. Anyone with any ounce of common sense or foresight would have known this in 2012, let alone by now. The only alternative, that isn't incredibly unprofessional and 100% death of the scene, is to have alloted spots for people that aren't citizens of that region. If there were a tournament where 3 non NA citizens could qualify for WCS NA, then maybe that would be OK. With how WCS is now, I have absolutely 0 idea why anyone would get this game or why we shouldn't expect to see the same handful of people each WCS. Even if you qualify, with how it is now, you'd have to be depressed about the future of the game. I understand you, but don't you think you are exaggerating a little bit? I highly doubt we will see dozens of Koreans immigrating to North America because of WCS. However, you do make a great point. So few North Americans are participating that we will unlikely see new blood enter WCS NA. I think that is a greater detriment than Koreans participating in WCS NA.
Absolutely not. There is no way in hell I would have ever got this game if WCS was like it is now. Not only is WCS bad, but as soon as they made changes for 2013, the number of non WCS tournaments decreased dramatically. WCS NA went from 64 spots for actual North Americans, to what it is today. A tournament for a handful of NA players who played from day 1 and were lucky enough to become full time pros when it was possible...
If you haven't been a full time pro from day 1, how many spots are there? 2? The game is dying because it's not being treated like a sport. No sport would thrive with such a ridiculous tournament. SC 2 is nearing the relevancy of tether ball. I wouldn't be surprised if there were more incentive in tether ball to try to be a competitive player in NA. I'm absolutely embarrassed by WCS, and I don't have anything to do with it.
You should expect to see the same handful of people because the guys who are qualifying are largely doing so because they have played way more games than the competition (full time pros). So when they do qualify, the nearest competition has no incentive to even play (since WCS killed off other tournaments, too). Thus, you end up in a cycle with the same players and literally no one has a realistic chance to get in.
The players who improve the more most are the ones who qualify. This is what happens when your game only supports a handful of people.
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On January 28 2015 09:25 playa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 09:16 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:On January 28 2015 09:09 playa wrote:On January 28 2015 08:57 ilovegroov wrote:
If a ton of Koreans actually end up switching, maybe time to just make Nationality a requirement? I for one am tired of B-Tier Koreans. So very tired. Obviously it should be by citizenship. Anyone with any ounce of common sense or foresight would have known this in 2012, let alone by now. The only alternative, that isn't incredibly unprofessional and 100% death of the scene, is to have alloted spots for people that aren't citizens of that region. If there were a tournament where 3 non NA citizens could qualify for WCS NA, then maybe that would be OK. With how WCS is now, I have absolutely 0 idea why anyone would get this game or why we shouldn't expect to see the same handful of people each WCS. Even if you qualify, with how it is now, you'd have to be depressed about the future of the game. I understand you, but don't you think you are exaggerating a little bit? I highly doubt we will see dozens of Koreans immigrating to North America because of WCS. However, you do make a great point. So few North Americans are participating that we will unlikely see new blood enter WCS NA. I think that is a greater detriment than Koreans participating in WCS NA. Absolutely not. There is no way in hell I would have ever got this game if WCS was like it is now. Not only is WCS bad, but as soon as they made changes for 2013, the number of non WCS tournaments decreased dramatically. WCS NA went from 64 spots for actual North Americans, to what it is today. A tournament for a handful of NA players who played from day 1 and were lucky enough to become full time pros when it was possible... If you haven't been a full time pro from day 1, how many spots are there? 2? The game is dying because it's not being treated like a sport. No sport would thrive with such a ridiculous a tournament. SC 2 is nearing the relevancy of tether ball. I wouldn't be surprised if there were more incentive in tether ball to try to be a competitive player in NA. I'm absolutely embarrassed by WCS, and I don't have anything to do with it.
Well we will see what happens to WCS NA. From all the major regions, it is certainly hurting the most.
lol at the tether ball analogy, but you should have used dodge ball instead. It would have brought images of Ben Stiller and Vince Vaughn.
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It's unfortunate that JD, Brood War legend, has basically admitted that he isn't good enough to play in the current GSL.
And as if you couldn't tell, I'm on the side of the NA region lock. The purpose of WCS NA is not to showcase the best talent (that was WCS 2013). The purpose is to provide representation and opportunities for local players. It was so refreshing to see players like Semper qualify to challenger, even if he lost to Polt. In order to continue thriving as a game, the NA scene needs players like Semper, Bails, Astrea, JonSnow, etc. to make a name for themselves, and that isn't going to happen so long as players like JD, Hydra, and Stardust exploit loopholes in the rules to come and play in WCS NA.
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Sounds good to me. JD has worked like crazy over the last two years and deserves more than just a month of rest. Can't wait to see him play next. JDDDDDD!!!
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On January 28 2015 05:00 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 04:46 Jeremy Reimer wrote:
If he does retire from Starcraft 2, I'd love it if he returned to Korea, started playing Brood War again, and competed in the Sonic Starleague (in my dream he'd get to the final against Bisu and defeat him in a close, exciting set)
Fans of Jaedong who only know him from Starcraft 2 don't really understand how incredible he was at Brood War. His muta micro alone was jaw-dropping. I remember one time I saw him rally two Scourge down to the other side of the map at precisely the right time to slam into his opponent's just-hatched mutalisk. He then went on to win that game with muta wars because he was up one muta. He was that good.
You don't sign a new contract with a team that has most likely no interest in BW at all, to then retire 2 months later though.
I'd just like to point out this is exactly what happened with Liquid`Sea. 
GL to JD!
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On January 28 2015 10:54 sagi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 05:00 OtherWorld wrote:On January 28 2015 04:46 Jeremy Reimer wrote:
If he does retire from Starcraft 2, I'd love it if he returned to Korea, started playing Brood War again, and competed in the Sonic Starleague (in my dream he'd get to the final against Bisu and defeat him in a close, exciting set)
Fans of Jaedong who only know him from Starcraft 2 don't really understand how incredible he was at Brood War. His muta micro alone was jaw-dropping. I remember one time I saw him rally two Scourge down to the other side of the map at precisely the right time to slam into his opponent's just-hatched mutalisk. He then went on to win that game with muta wars because he was up one muta. He was that good.
You don't sign a new contract with a team that has most likely no interest in BW at all, to then retire 2 months later though. I'd just like to point out this is exactly what happened with Liquid`Sea. GL to JD!
Sea was sort of new to SC2, and stopped playing because he didn't enjoy it iirc.
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Hopefully his english improves enough that he wont be super shy when he needs to speak English
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On January 28 2015 11:24 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 10:54 sagi wrote:On January 28 2015 05:00 OtherWorld wrote:On January 28 2015 04:46 Jeremy Reimer wrote:
If he does retire from Starcraft 2, I'd love it if he returned to Korea, started playing Brood War again, and competed in the Sonic Starleague (in my dream he'd get to the final against Bisu and defeat him in a close, exciting set)
Fans of Jaedong who only know him from Starcraft 2 don't really understand how incredible he was at Brood War. His muta micro alone was jaw-dropping. I remember one time I saw him rally two Scourge down to the other side of the map at precisely the right time to slam into his opponent's just-hatched mutalisk. He then went on to win that game with muta wars because he was up one muta. He was that good.
You don't sign a new contract with a team that has most likely no interest in BW at all, to then retire 2 months later though. I'd just like to point out this is exactly what happened with Liquid`Sea. GL to JD! Sea was sort of new to SC2, and stopped playing because he didn't enjoy it iirc.
Yeah, I too remember it was "lack of passion for the game" or something similar. Obviosly he needed a team if he was still keeping up hopes he might continue his career in SC2. Guess the two months were enough for him to see what progaming life in SC2 is like. Better this way than to linger on - especially if not even the foreign team aspect was enough for him to be happy.
I'm not saying JD would do that (doesn't really suit his history in SC2 or personality)... just that it's not completely unheard of. :p
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On January 28 2015 09:51 nerpderp wrote:
It's unfortunate that JD, Brood War legend, has basically admitted that he isn't good enough to play in the current GSL.
And as if you couldn't tell, I'm on the side of the NA region lock. The purpose of WCS NA is not to showcase the best talent (that was WCS 2013). The purpose is to provide representation and opportunities for local players. It was so refreshing to see players like Semper qualify to challenger, even if he lost to Polt. In order to continue thriving as a game, the NA scene needs players like Semper, Bails, Astrea, JonSnow, etc. to make a name for themselves, and that isn't going to happen so long as players like JD, Hydra, and Stardust exploit loopholes in the rules to come and play in WCS NA.
I agree so much. I was looking at the groups for WCS and was really happy with the outcome expect for the 4 mistakes that made it there. And apparently there's gonna be two more of those mistakes in the next season...
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So JD will be back for Blizzcon 2015, get far but not win it, move back to Korea and be extremely competitive in 2016 before he retires? Would be a legendary career regardless, besides Stork no one has been relevant as a player for this long.
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Awesome news. May Jaedong live forever and never age.
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I feel like even the mention of "IS HE RETIRING!?!?" will spring up the wonder within himself if he SHOULD retire. It sucks that it was even brought up to be honest. In my opinion.
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On January 28 2015 09:51 nerpderp wrote:
It's unfortunate that JD, Brood War legend, has basically admitted that he isn't good enough to play in the current GSL.
And as if you couldn't tell, I'm on the side of the NA region lock. The purpose of WCS NA is not to showcase the best talent (that was WCS 2013). The purpose is to provide representation and opportunities for local players. It was so refreshing to see players like Semper qualify to challenger, even if he lost to Polt. In order to continue thriving as a game, the NA scene needs players like Semper, Bails, Astrea, JonSnow, etc. to make a name for themselves, and that isn't going to happen so long as players like JD, Hydra, and Stardust exploit loopholes in the rules to come and play in WCS NA.
they dont exploite, people like alex garfield exploit. "EG: We keep your local szene down powerd by monster" ^^. But serious do you want something like LoL where you have a region lock and you think "hey our teams are good!". Than world comes and they get crushed and stomped down and all realise how terrible their region is? And than you need special categories to give prizes to people that are not Chinese/Korean because otherwise they will get nothing?
With region lock your level in NA will not rise. It will keep falling and falling.
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Why cant we accept the U.S. Starcraft II Scene as the rest we accept the rest of the US.
The USA is a no mans land when it is about RTS. They got x10 of Canadas People but 0.5x of Canadas RTS Talents.
It is like in all other popular sports: US has its very own big sports (basketball, baseball and football), where only the USA is great in it, has a great talent pool and a extremy well developed scene. And the whole world arround plays Soccer.
Same for esport. USA rocks in its own hemisphere with Halo and CoD. And the world arround them plays MOBAs (and some play a RTS called SC II) where they do not rock. And in LoL, they regionlock to show how good they are jus to get smacked every worlds by the Kespa teams. In RTS they get smacked by all others from Canada over Europe to Korea.
Once in a while a Pelé or a Idra comes out of the wild west to show that the talent pool is still great, but thats it.
And now we are back to the US, the land of the immigration, the freedom and their very own american dream. People move their and become americans (or at least are called americans) like the US has adoptet polt as captain america.
I dont know why USA must be touched with silk gloves when it comes to great Starcraft Talents who move to NA. Great people allways moved to the USA, they invented nukes, whatsapp and all other kind of sick shit after moving there. It is the nature of the USA and thats makes this country so great.
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Jaedong announced that he was taking a break for the rest of the year on December 7, but failed to show up for either the GSL/NSSL qualifiers or the WCS America qualifiers upon the beginning of the first 2015 season.
