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On January 28 2015 03:01 Circumstance wrote:
You know, when I think "Great representatives of North American Starcraft", I definitely think Jaedong and Hydra. Because they have provided so incredibly much to the NA scene.
It's better than having bad players win a lot of money. Who does NA really have right now? Huk, puck, Kane, etc. These guys are okay, but they're shouldn't be the players winning a huge tournament. NA is kind of a joke right now, even compared to EU.
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wow so jaedong moving to the US, that's awesome
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When does WCS s2 start? Is there any chance it could be LotV instead of HotS?
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On January 28 2015 03:32 Tenks wrote:
When does WCS s2 start? Is there any chance it could be LotV instead of HotS?
0 chance. Unless some major, major changes happens that radically change today's world, WCS S2 will begin right after S1 finishes, which should be around March I believe. While LotV is scheduled for 2016, probably.
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On January 28 2015 03:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 03:01 Circumstance wrote:
You know, when I think "Great representatives of North American Starcraft", I definitely think Jaedong and Hydra. Because they have provided so incredibly much to the NA scene. It's better than having bad players win a lot of money. Who does NA really have right now? Huk, puck, Kane, etc. These guys are okay, but they're shouldn't be the players winning a huge tournament. NA is kind of a joke right now, even compared to EU.
Call me crazy, SGTK, but I think WCS is more about giving opportunity to succeed for someone outside of a single country, and less about seeing which region will have the best players choose to move there.
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On January 28 2015 03:38 Circumstance wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 03:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:01 Circumstance wrote:
You know, when I think "Great representatives of North American Starcraft", I definitely think Jaedong and Hydra. Because they have provided so incredibly much to the NA scene. It's better than having bad players win a lot of money. Who does NA really have right now? Huk, puck, Kane, etc. These guys are okay, but they're shouldn't be the players winning a huge tournament. NA is kind of a joke right now, even compared to EU. Call me crazy, SGTK, but I think WCS is more about giving opportunity to succeed for someone outside of a single country, and less about seeing which region will have the best players choose to move there.
Well, in theory I suppose, but it's also about showcasing the highest level of play, which NA simply cannot do. NA doesn't even have Scarlett to give them "top foreigner" credit anymore.
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Hello, this is JaeDong. I'll be living in San Francisco where EG's gaming house is located. I will live together with some EG staff and Dota players, but I heard iNcontroL and Suppy lives nearby so that's good. You guys will be able to see me in WCS NA from Season 2. I'm glad EG was able to make this happen for me. I'm so excited about this. I'll be studying English too. Please wish me luck
This was written up by some PR person at EG. Cmon now u know damn well JD don't talk like that. I'm surprised they didn't even throw in a mention to Monster in there.
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On January 28 2015 03:43 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 03:38 Circumstance wrote:On January 28 2015 03:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:01 Circumstance wrote:
You know, when I think "Great representatives of North American Starcraft", I definitely think Jaedong and Hydra. Because they have provided so incredibly much to the NA scene. It's better than having bad players win a lot of money. Who does NA really have right now? Huk, puck, Kane, etc. These guys are okay, but they're shouldn't be the players winning a huge tournament. NA is kind of a joke right now, even compared to EU. Call me crazy, SGTK, but I think WCS is more about giving opportunity to succeed for someone outside of a single country, and less about seeing which region will have the best players choose to move there. Well, in theory I suppose, but it's also about showcasing the highest level of play, which NA simply cannot do. NA doesn't even have Scarlett to give them "top foreigner" credit anymore.
"LOL NA so bad" is not a justification. Moving to a new region for the sole purpose of taking up one of their qualifier spots while contributing little to nothing to their scene is not OK, regardless of region. I feel the same way about Heart in China as I do about JD and Hydra (and potentially Stardust) in NA.
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On January 28 2015 03:55 Circumstance wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 03:43 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:38 Circumstance wrote:On January 28 2015 03:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:01 Circumstance wrote:
You know, when I think "Great representatives of North American Starcraft", I definitely think Jaedong and Hydra. Because they have provided so incredibly much to the NA scene. It's better than having bad players win a lot of money. Who does NA really have right now? Huk, puck, Kane, etc. These guys are okay, but they're shouldn't be the players winning a huge tournament. NA is kind of a joke right now, even compared to EU. Call me crazy, SGTK, but I think WCS is more about giving opportunity to succeed for someone outside of a single country, and less about seeing which region will have the best players choose to move there. Well, in theory I suppose, but it's also about showcasing the highest level of play, which NA simply cannot do. NA doesn't even have Scarlett to give them "top foreigner" credit anymore. "LOL NA so bad" is not a justification. Moving to a new region for the sole purpose of taking up one of their qualifier spots while contributing little to nothing to their scene is not OK, regardless of region. I feel the same way about Heart in China as I do about JD and Hydra (and potentially Stardust) in NA.
Hydra arrived very recently, give him a chance...
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On January 28 2015 03:43 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 03:38 Circumstance wrote:On January 28 2015 03:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:01 Circumstance wrote:
You know, when I think "Great representatives of North American Starcraft", I definitely think Jaedong and Hydra. Because they have provided so incredibly much to the NA scene. It's better than having bad players win a lot of money. Who does NA really have right now? Huk, puck, Kane, etc. These guys are okay, but they're shouldn't be the players winning a huge tournament. NA is kind of a joke right now, even compared to EU. Call me crazy, SGTK, but I think WCS is more about giving opportunity to succeed for someone outside of a single country, and less about seeing which region will have the best players choose to move there. Well, in theory I suppose, but it's also about showcasing the highest level of play, which NA simply cannot do. NA doesn't even have Scarlett to give them "top foreigner" credit anymore.
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On January 28 2015 02:08 kaykoose wrote:
So JD and Stardust are in for Season 2. That will be 6 Koreans in WCS
Gonna be less north americans in premier than last year XDD
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On January 28 2015 03:55 Circumstance wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 03:43 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:38 Circumstance wrote:On January 28 2015 03:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:01 Circumstance wrote:
You know, when I think "Great representatives of North American Starcraft", I definitely think Jaedong and Hydra. Because they have provided so incredibly much to the NA scene. It's better than having bad players win a lot of money. Who does NA really have right now? Huk, puck, Kane, etc. These guys are okay, but they're shouldn't be the players winning a huge tournament. NA is kind of a joke right now, even compared to EU. Call me crazy, SGTK, but I think WCS is more about giving opportunity to succeed for someone outside of a single country, and less about seeing which region will have the best players choose to move there. Well, in theory I suppose, but it's also about showcasing the highest level of play, which NA simply cannot do. NA doesn't even have Scarlett to give them "top foreigner" credit anymore. "LOL NA so bad" is not a justification. Moving to a new region for the sole purpose of taking up one of their qualifier spots while contributing little to nothing to their scene is not OK, regardless of region. I feel the same way about Heart in China as I do about JD and Hydra (and potentially Stardust) in NA.
Polt moved to NA to go to school, should we not allow him either? If a NA player wanted to move to EU, they could compete in EU qualifiers if they wanted to. These Koreans contribute to the scene in that they play on NA ladder and there presence helps the players in that region as a whole in terms of practice and motivation.
On January 28 2015 03:59 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 03:43 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:38 Circumstance wrote:On January 28 2015 03:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:01 Circumstance wrote:
You know, when I think "Great representatives of North American Starcraft", I definitely think Jaedong and Hydra. Because they have provided so incredibly much to the NA scene. It's better than having bad players win a lot of money. Who does NA really have right now? Huk, puck, Kane, etc. These guys are okay, but they're shouldn't be the players winning a huge tournament. NA is kind of a joke right now, even compared to EU. Call me crazy, SGTK, but I think WCS is more about giving opportunity to succeed for someone outside of a single country, and less about seeing which region will have the best players choose to move there. Well, in theory I suppose, but it's also about showcasing the highest level of play, which NA simply cannot do. NA doesn't even have Scarlett to give them "top foreigner" credit anymore. major
He has to compete in shit to be a top player. We haven't seen him in so long it's hard to judge his current skill level.
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On January 28 2015 04:00 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 02:08 kaykoose wrote:
So JD and Stardust are in for Season 2. That will be 6 Koreans in WCS Gonna be less north americans in premier than last year XDD
Only because you aren't playing!!
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On January 28 2015 04:04 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 04:00 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On January 28 2015 02:08 kaykoose wrote:
So JD and Stardust are in for Season 2. That will be 6 Koreans in WCS Gonna be less north americans in premier than last year XDD Only because you aren't playing!!
Astrea is NA, so it doesn't matter either way.
edit: misread that. still... JD and Stardust would probably make it regardless of her.
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On January 28 2015 04:00 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 03:55 Circumstance wrote:On January 28 2015 03:43 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:38 Circumstance wrote:On January 28 2015 03:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:01 Circumstance wrote:
You know, when I think "Great representatives of North American Starcraft", I definitely think Jaedong and Hydra. Because they have provided so incredibly much to the NA scene. It's better than having bad players win a lot of money. Who does NA really have right now? Huk, puck, Kane, etc. These guys are okay, but they're shouldn't be the players winning a huge tournament. NA is kind of a joke right now, even compared to EU. Call me crazy, SGTK, but I think WCS is more about giving opportunity to succeed for someone outside of a single country, and less about seeing which region will have the best players choose to move there. Well, in theory I suppose, but it's also about showcasing the highest level of play, which NA simply cannot do. NA doesn't even have Scarlett to give them "top foreigner" credit anymore. "LOL NA so bad" is not a justification. Moving to a new region for the sole purpose of taking up one of their qualifier spots while contributing little to nothing to their scene is not OK, regardless of region. I feel the same way about Heart in China as I do about JD and Hydra (and potentially Stardust) in NA. Polt moved to NA to go to school, should we not allow him either? If a NA player wanted to move to EU, they could compete in EU qualifiers if they wanted to. These Koreans contribute to the scene in that they play on NA ladder and there presence helps the players in that region as a whole in terms of practice and motivation. Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 03:59 sharkie wrote:On January 28 2015 03:43 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:38 Circumstance wrote:On January 28 2015 03:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:01 Circumstance wrote:
You know, when I think "Great representatives of North American Starcraft", I definitely think Jaedong and Hydra. Because they have provided so incredibly much to the NA scene. It's better than having bad players win a lot of money. Who does NA really have right now? Huk, puck, Kane, etc. These guys are okay, but they're shouldn't be the players winning a huge tournament. NA is kind of a joke right now, even compared to EU. Call me crazy, SGTK, but I think WCS is more about giving opportunity to succeed for someone outside of a single country, and less about seeing which region will have the best players choose to move there. Well, in theory I suppose, but it's also about showcasing the highest level of play, which NA simply cannot do. NA doesn't even have Scarlett to give them "top foreigner" credit anymore. major He has to compete in shit to be a top player. We haven't seen him in so long it's hard to judge his current skill level.
He had qualified for IEM San Jose, a feat that was only repeated by vortix and both dropped out... >.<
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On January 28 2015 04:00 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 03:55 Circumstance wrote:On January 28 2015 03:43 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:38 Circumstance wrote:On January 28 2015 03:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:01 Circumstance wrote:
You know, when I think "Great representatives of North American Starcraft", I definitely think Jaedong and Hydra. Because they have provided so incredibly much to the NA scene. It's better than having bad players win a lot of money. Who does NA really have right now? Huk, puck, Kane, etc. These guys are okay, but they're shouldn't be the players winning a huge tournament. NA is kind of a joke right now, even compared to EU. Call me crazy, SGTK, but I think WCS is more about giving opportunity to succeed for someone outside of a single country, and less about seeing which region will have the best players choose to move there. Well, in theory I suppose, but it's also about showcasing the highest level of play, which NA simply cannot do. NA doesn't even have Scarlett to give them "top foreigner" credit anymore. "LOL NA so bad" is not a justification. Moving to a new region for the sole purpose of taking up one of their qualifier spots while contributing little to nothing to their scene is not OK, regardless of region. I feel the same way about Heart in China as I do about JD and Hydra (and potentially Stardust) in NA. Polt moved to NA to go to school, should we not allow him either? If a NA player wanted to move to EU, they could compete in EU qualifiers if they wanted to. These Koreans contribute to the scene in that they play on NA ladder and there presence helps the players in that region as a whole in terms of practice and motivation.
For that question, I ask "who would still be living where they are if WCS wasn't a factor?" Polt would, Violet would, and ForGG would. Hydra wouldn't. JD sure as hell wouldn't. As for ladder, I don't know enough about anyone's practice habits to say, but for motivation, I 100% disagree. I think having all of your time and effort go to waste by being barricaded from opportunity and money time and again by someone who got all of the worthwhile practice you wren't able to get and then decided to move over to your region because the competition was easier is one of the most demotivating things imaginable.
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On January 28 2015 04:25 Circumstance wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 04:00 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:55 Circumstance wrote:On January 28 2015 03:43 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:38 Circumstance wrote:On January 28 2015 03:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 28 2015 03:01 Circumstance wrote:
You know, when I think "Great representatives of North American Starcraft", I definitely think Jaedong and Hydra. Because they have provided so incredibly much to the NA scene. It's better than having bad players win a lot of money. Who does NA really have right now? Huk, puck, Kane, etc. These guys are okay, but they're shouldn't be the players winning a huge tournament. NA is kind of a joke right now, even compared to EU. Call me crazy, SGTK, but I think WCS is more about giving opportunity to succeed for someone outside of a single country, and less about seeing which region will have the best players choose to move there. Well, in theory I suppose, but it's also about showcasing the highest level of play, which NA simply cannot do. NA doesn't even have Scarlett to give them "top foreigner" credit anymore. "LOL NA so bad" is not a justification. Moving to a new region for the sole purpose of taking up one of their qualifier spots while contributing little to nothing to their scene is not OK, regardless of region. I feel the same way about Heart in China as I do about JD and Hydra (and potentially Stardust) in NA. Polt moved to NA to go to school, should we not allow him either? If a NA player wanted to move to EU, they could compete in EU qualifiers if they wanted to. These Koreans contribute to the scene in that they play on NA ladder and there presence helps the players in that region as a whole in terms of practice and motivation. For that question, I ask "who would still be living where they are if WCS wasn't a factor?" Polt would, Violet would, and ForGG would. Hydra wouldn't. JD sure as hell wouldn't. As for ladder, I don't know enough about anyone's practice habits to say, but for motivation, I 100% disagree. I think having all of your time and effort go to waste by being barricaded from opportunity and money time and again by someone who got all of the worthwhile practice you wren't able to get and then decided to move over to your region because the competition was easier is one of the most demotivating things imaginable.
We can't say for certain Hydra or JD wouldn't. Is it obviously a factor? Certainly, but Hydra and JD both wanted out of Kespa to begin with or they'd still be in Korea. As for motivation... I depends on the person I suppose. Some might be motivated to move over to where the practice is best if it's possible to move over to where the competition is easier.
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I read his interview in korean, it felt like he was reluctantly coming back to america for money
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