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On January 28 2015 09:25 playa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 09:16 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:On January 28 2015 09:09 playa wrote:On January 28 2015 08:57 ilovegroov wrote:
If a ton of Koreans actually end up switching, maybe time to just make Nationality a requirement? I for one am tired of B-Tier Koreans. So very tired. Obviously it should be by citizenship. Anyone with any ounce of common sense or foresight would have known this in 2012, let alone by now. The only alternative, that isn't incredibly unprofessional and 100% death of the scene, is to have alloted spots for people that aren't citizens of that region. If there were a tournament where 3 non NA citizens could qualify for WCS NA, then maybe that would be OK. With how WCS is now, I have absolutely 0 idea why anyone would get this game or why we shouldn't expect to see the same handful of people each WCS. Even if you qualify, with how it is now, you'd have to be depressed about the future of the game. I understand you, but don't you think you are exaggerating a little bit? I highly doubt we will see dozens of Koreans immigrating to North America because of WCS. However, you do make a great point. So few North Americans are participating that we will unlikely see new blood enter WCS NA. I think that is a greater detriment than Koreans participating in WCS NA. Absolutely not. There is no way in hell I would have ever got this game if WCS was like it is now. Not only is WCS bad, but as soon as they made changes for 2013, the number of non WCS tournaments decreased dramatically. WCS NA went from 64 spots for actual North Americans, to what it is today. A tournament for a handful of NA players who played from day 1 and were lucky enough to become full time pros when it was possible... If you haven't been a full time pro from day 1, how many spots are there? 2? The game is dying because it's not being treated like a sport. No sport would thrive with such a ridiculous a tournament. SC 2 is nearing the relevancy of tether ball. I wouldn't be surprised if there were more incentive in tether ball to try to be a competitive player in NA. I'm absolutely embarrassed by WCS, and I don't have anything to do with it.
Well we will see what happens to WCS NA. From all the major regions, it is certainly hurting the most.
lol at the tether ball analogy, but you should have used dodge ball instead. It would have brought images of Ben Stiller and Vince Vaughn.
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It's unfortunate that JD, Brood War legend, has basically admitted that he isn't good enough to play in the current GSL.
And as if you couldn't tell, I'm on the side of the NA region lock. The purpose of WCS NA is not to showcase the best talent (that was WCS 2013). The purpose is to provide representation and opportunities for local players. It was so refreshing to see players like Semper qualify to challenger, even if he lost to Polt. In order to continue thriving as a game, the NA scene needs players like Semper, Bails, Astrea, JonSnow, etc. to make a name for themselves, and that isn't going to happen so long as players like JD, Hydra, and Stardust exploit loopholes in the rules to come and play in WCS NA.
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Sounds good to me. JD has worked like crazy over the last two years and deserves more than just a month of rest. Can't wait to see him play next. JDDDDDD!!!
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On January 28 2015 05:00 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 04:46 Jeremy Reimer wrote:
If he does retire from Starcraft 2, I'd love it if he returned to Korea, started playing Brood War again, and competed in the Sonic Starleague (in my dream he'd get to the final against Bisu and defeat him in a close, exciting set)
Fans of Jaedong who only know him from Starcraft 2 don't really understand how incredible he was at Brood War. His muta micro alone was jaw-dropping. I remember one time I saw him rally two Scourge down to the other side of the map at precisely the right time to slam into his opponent's just-hatched mutalisk. He then went on to win that game with muta wars because he was up one muta. He was that good.
You don't sign a new contract with a team that has most likely no interest in BW at all, to then retire 2 months later though.
I'd just like to point out this is exactly what happened with Liquid`Sea. 
GL to JD!
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On January 28 2015 10:54 sagi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 05:00 OtherWorld wrote:On January 28 2015 04:46 Jeremy Reimer wrote:
If he does retire from Starcraft 2, I'd love it if he returned to Korea, started playing Brood War again, and competed in the Sonic Starleague (in my dream he'd get to the final against Bisu and defeat him in a close, exciting set)
Fans of Jaedong who only know him from Starcraft 2 don't really understand how incredible he was at Brood War. His muta micro alone was jaw-dropping. I remember one time I saw him rally two Scourge down to the other side of the map at precisely the right time to slam into his opponent's just-hatched mutalisk. He then went on to win that game with muta wars because he was up one muta. He was that good.
You don't sign a new contract with a team that has most likely no interest in BW at all, to then retire 2 months later though. I'd just like to point out this is exactly what happened with Liquid`Sea. GL to JD!
Sea was sort of new to SC2, and stopped playing because he didn't enjoy it iirc.
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Hopefully his english improves enough that he wont be super shy when he needs to speak English
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On January 28 2015 11:24 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 10:54 sagi wrote:On January 28 2015 05:00 OtherWorld wrote:On January 28 2015 04:46 Jeremy Reimer wrote:
If he does retire from Starcraft 2, I'd love it if he returned to Korea, started playing Brood War again, and competed in the Sonic Starleague (in my dream he'd get to the final against Bisu and defeat him in a close, exciting set)
Fans of Jaedong who only know him from Starcraft 2 don't really understand how incredible he was at Brood War. His muta micro alone was jaw-dropping. I remember one time I saw him rally two Scourge down to the other side of the map at precisely the right time to slam into his opponent's just-hatched mutalisk. He then went on to win that game with muta wars because he was up one muta. He was that good.
You don't sign a new contract with a team that has most likely no interest in BW at all, to then retire 2 months later though. I'd just like to point out this is exactly what happened with Liquid`Sea. GL to JD! Sea was sort of new to SC2, and stopped playing because he didn't enjoy it iirc.
Yeah, I too remember it was "lack of passion for the game" or something similar. Obviosly he needed a team if he was still keeping up hopes he might continue his career in SC2. Guess the two months were enough for him to see what progaming life in SC2 is like. Better this way than to linger on - especially if not even the foreign team aspect was enough for him to be happy.
I'm not saying JD would do that (doesn't really suit his history in SC2 or personality)... just that it's not completely unheard of. :p
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On January 28 2015 09:51 nerpderp wrote:
It's unfortunate that JD, Brood War legend, has basically admitted that he isn't good enough to play in the current GSL.
And as if you couldn't tell, I'm on the side of the NA region lock. The purpose of WCS NA is not to showcase the best talent (that was WCS 2013). The purpose is to provide representation and opportunities for local players. It was so refreshing to see players like Semper qualify to challenger, even if he lost to Polt. In order to continue thriving as a game, the NA scene needs players like Semper, Bails, Astrea, JonSnow, etc. to make a name for themselves, and that isn't going to happen so long as players like JD, Hydra, and Stardust exploit loopholes in the rules to come and play in WCS NA.
I agree so much. I was looking at the groups for WCS and was really happy with the outcome expect for the 4 mistakes that made it there. And apparently there's gonna be two more of those mistakes in the next season...
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So JD will be back for Blizzcon 2015, get far but not win it, move back to Korea and be extremely competitive in 2016 before he retires? Would be a legendary career regardless, besides Stork no one has been relevant as a player for this long.
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Awesome news. May Jaedong live forever and never age.
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SF hype  <3 jaedong
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Hoped he was going to play brood war 
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I feel like even the mention of "IS HE RETIRING!?!?" will spring up the wonder within himself if he SHOULD retire. It sucks that it was even brought up to be honest. In my opinion.
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On January 28 2015 09:51 nerpderp wrote:
It's unfortunate that JD, Brood War legend, has basically admitted that he isn't good enough to play in the current GSL.
And as if you couldn't tell, I'm on the side of the NA region lock. The purpose of WCS NA is not to showcase the best talent (that was WCS 2013). The purpose is to provide representation and opportunities for local players. It was so refreshing to see players like Semper qualify to challenger, even if he lost to Polt. In order to continue thriving as a game, the NA scene needs players like Semper, Bails, Astrea, JonSnow, etc. to make a name for themselves, and that isn't going to happen so long as players like JD, Hydra, and Stardust exploit loopholes in the rules to come and play in WCS NA.
they dont exploite, people like alex garfield exploit. "EG: We keep your local szene down powerd by monster" ^^. But serious do you want something like LoL where you have a region lock and you think "hey our teams are good!". Than world comes and they get crushed and stomped down and all realise how terrible their region is? And than you need special categories to give prizes to people that are not Chinese/Korean because otherwise they will get nothing?
With region lock your level in NA will not rise. It will keep falling and falling.
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Why cant we accept the U.S. Starcraft II Scene as the rest we accept the rest of the US.
The USA is a no mans land when it is about RTS. They got x10 of Canadas People but 0.5x of Canadas RTS Talents.
It is like in all other popular sports: US has its very own big sports (basketball, baseball and football), where only the USA is great in it, has a great talent pool and a extremy well developed scene. And the whole world arround plays Soccer.
Same for esport. USA rocks in its own hemisphere with Halo and CoD. And the world arround them plays MOBAs (and some play a RTS called SC II) where they do not rock. And in LoL, they regionlock to show how good they are jus to get smacked every worlds by the Kespa teams. In RTS they get smacked by all others from Canada over Europe to Korea.
Once in a while a Pelé or a Idra comes out of the wild west to show that the talent pool is still great, but thats it.
And now we are back to the US, the land of the immigration, the freedom and their very own american dream. People move their and become americans (or at least are called americans) like the US has adoptet polt as captain america.
I dont know why USA must be touched with silk gloves when it comes to great Starcraft Talents who move to NA. Great people allways moved to the USA, they invented nukes, whatsapp and all other kind of sick shit after moving there. It is the nature of the USA and thats makes this country so great.
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