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[WCS] China Challenger: The Pros We Know - S1 2015

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[WCS] China Challenger: The Pros We Know - S1 2015

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January 14th, 2015 02:22 GMT
2015 WCS Season 1

WCS Season One
Challenger League



The Pros We Know
iAsonu vs XY
TooDming vs Jim
XiGua vs Clavie
MacSed vs Top

Brackets and standings on Liquipedia

The Pros We Know


by lichter



As much as we'd like to include the Chinese scene, there is just something about their play and about their scene that makes them feel so distant and mysterious. Whether it's their isolated ladder, their unique metagame, or their lack of English, it's hard to tell, but their infrequent forays into international tournaments have always been interesting to say the least.

Looking at the list of players attempting to qualify from WCS China, it's difficult to believe that anyone on TL really knows more than a dozen players. Players with names like Ronzerola, BBCSWD, "Friends of the harmonic order to convince Mang" (according to Google Translate) litter the qualifiers, making it a shot in the dark at guessing how qualifiers will turn out.

Unlike Code B or premier international qualifiers, however, it seems that there are very defined tiers within the Chinese scene. Basically it's:

1. The Pros We Know
2. The other people

The final 8 players attempting to reach Premier League from WCS China Challenger are all names we've heard before, with the possible exception of iAsonu and Clavie for some of the less in-the-know. The other 6 players, however, are the cream of the crop of the Chinese scene, but only 4 will reach the inaugural season of WCS International.

(Z)iAsonu vs (T)XY



For many older fans, the name XY should ring a bell. A former BW player, XY was one of the first Chinese players to get noticed by the foreign scene. Along with Sen and F91, XY is one of the older players from China and Taiwan that is still competing. Though he has lacked significant results during his time in SC2, he does have one gold medal from National Electronic Sports Tournament 2014. Coincidentally, his opponent in the finals was also iAsonu, his teammate from Invictus Gaming.

The IG zerg is a relatively unknown player in the foreign scene, though he did compete in WCS AM Challenger once in 2014. His pro career has so far been isolated to China, where he has become something of a Kong. In the last two months of 2014, the 22 year old zerg finished second in two major tournaments, the aforementioned NEST and G-League 2014 where he lost to Jim in the finals. There's no shame in losing to two of the most notable players from his region, and it goes to show that iAsonu has elevated himself from also ran and into a contender like TooDming or XiGua.

We've yet to see many games from him so it's difficult to predict just how he'll play against XY, and their prevailing winrates in TvZ's appear to give iAsonu the advantage. His 64% winrate in ZvT looks impressive, but most of his games come from qualifiers and online cups. XY does have the advantage of experience in high profile games, but he's also losing their head-to-head. This may not be a PvP, but I'm going to decide this with a coin toss. And the coin toss says to give the old man a chance.

Prediction:

(Z)iAsonu 2 - 3 (T)XY

(Z)TooDming vs (P)Jim



Perhaps the marquee matchup of this season of WCS China Challenger, both players must feel agrieved to be matched against each other. Both were mainstays of WCS AM Premier League last year, but only one will make it there this time. Though neither player made it past the Ro16 of WCS AM in 2014, they were both denied by Korean opponents. This could be the season where they finally reach the playoffs, but only one of them will have that opportunity.

Unlike the other elite Chinese players, success has so far evaded TooDming. He has yet to ever win a major tournament title, finishing second in three events and 3rd/4th in 4 others. Only the best players are ever able to stop the Zenith of Origin zerg, and it's unfortunate that he always seems to end up with difficult draws. He lost to TaeJa and Arthur in Season 1, Polt and Bomber in Season 2, and Scarlett and Seed in Season 3. With only Scarlett and Polt remaining from that list, it's easy to say that TooDming would be considered a favorite to go far in WCS Premier League.

Likewise, Jim has only lost to HyuN, Heart, iaguz, Bomber, and HuK in Premier League. Unlike TooDming, however, Jim is basically the king of China. He has on his belt 7 major tournament titles, with one even coming against MarineKing in the finals. While many scoff at inter-China titles due to the scene's isolation, Jim showed that he could compete with the best at IEM Shenzhen, defending his country amicably and earning 3rd/4th place by beating Life, TaeJa and San—three BlizzCon players including its champion. As the most popular Chinese player by far, Jim deserves to be in Premier League on name recognition alone. He should do well should he advance, but he'll have to earn it against TooDming.

Fortunately for Jim, he has the advantage in their head-to-head (18-13). My gut tells me that Jim should have something planned for TooDming, so that ZoO zerg will have to stay on top of his scouting. The iG protoss is one of the wiliest and cleverest protoss in China, and though he isn't quite as nutty as Has, he did invent the Express Train. Expect a bunch of strange all ins and maybe one shot at Sky Toss, but it should be enough to scrape out a victory.

Prediction:

(Z)TooDming 2 - 3 (P)Jim

(Z)XiGua vs (P)Clavie



The Watermelon zerg is rightfully one of the most popular players from China. He's been around for a long time, and for a while many believed that he was the best player from his country until Jim's rise to power. In fact, he even made the WCG Finals in 2011 before losing to Mvp 0-2. All 5 of his major title victories come from that era of WoL, and though he has yet to win anything since early 2012, XiGua remains a contender in tournaments he enters. As another mainstay of 2014's WCS AM, XiGua has also repeatedly run into the Korean Wall. Polt, CranK, Heart, Pigbaby, TaeJa and HerO denied him passage last year, and he should be relishing the opportunity to make it further in their absences. He's also received a fortunate draw in Challenger League, and barring a big collapse we should see him in Premier League this season.

Clavie, on the other hand, is a teamless player with zero information. He only had to defeat unknowns szxy and HunteR to reach this point due to two walk over victories, so we really don't have anything. I guess this one goes to XiGua.

Prediction:

(Z)XiGua 3 - 1 (P)Clavie

(P)MacSed vs (P)Top



Though his success waned in 2014, MacSed remains the most successful Chinese player in WCS. He reached two Ro8's in seasons 2 and 3 of 2013, losing to TaeJa and ByuL in the playoffs. He's maintained his place in Premier League consistently, but he's been unable to break past the group stages again. Like his fellow foreign protoss, MacSed now moonlights as a caster and analyst, a role he performed on the official Chinese stream during the WCS Grand Finals last year. The iG protoss still has a lot to offer, however, and his fans will be interested in seeing whether his deviated from his preferred phoenix styles.

Top is fairly consistent as well, reaching Premier League in 4 of the past 6 seasons. While he's never made it out of the Ro32, he never fails to entertain us with his patently unorthodox style. Game 5 of his 2014 Season 1 series against viOLet will forever be remembered, and quietly many best games aficionados are hoping for his return to WCS.

As the only mirror matchup this WCS China Challenger season, this should end up being a curious affair. Chinese protoss are known for their whimsical approach to the metagame, and they could just blow our minds. More than likely, they'll cheese each other and the night will end abruptly. MacSed has the advantage with a slightly superior winrate, a better head-to-head (5-3) and greater experience, so that should make 4 Invictus Gaming players in WCS Premier League this season.

Prediction:

(P)MacSed 3 - 1 (P)Top

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BreAKerTV
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan1658 Posts
January 14 2015 02:32 GMT
#2
very well written, but iAsonu was picked up by edison because at the time he was a teamless Chinese player who happened to both have the most ladder points on the tw/kr server and was teamless. edison put him on the bteam for iG and then he worked his way into the main roster.
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
January 14 2015 02:32 GMT
#3
WTF Has didn't make it to the final 8?

I wanted to see some cannon shennanigans!!!
EngrishTeacher
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Canada1109 Posts
January 14 2015 02:35 GMT
#4
Expecting lots of crazy builds and hilarity. Should be a good watch and hoping for sane broadcast times.
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
January 14 2015 02:40 GMT
#5
On January 14 2015 11:35 EngrishTeacher wrote:
Expecting lots of crazy builds and hilarity. Should be a good watch and hoping for sane broadcast times.

Yeah the Chinese/Taiwanese players do some crazy shit. I kinda like watching them because you know at least one of them will be action-packed and fast-paced
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
January 14 2015 02:40 GMT
#6
On January 14 2015 11:32 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
WTF Has didn't make it to the final 8?

I wanted to see some cannon shennanigans!!!

Has is taiwanese.
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Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
January 14 2015 02:41 GMT
#7
On January 14 2015 11:32 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
WTF Has didn't make it to the final 8?

I wanted to see some cannon shennanigans!!!

Has plays in Taiwanese qualifiers.
banjoetheredskin
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States744 Posts
January 14 2015 02:41 GMT
#8
The graphic picture thingy is really cool. Nice job V1
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BreAKerTV
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan1658 Posts
January 14 2015 02:42 GMT
#9
On January 14 2015 11:32 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
WTF Has didn't make it to the final 8?

I wanted to see some cannon shennanigans!!!

That is in a separate qualifier that you can find here:http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_WCS_Season_1/Qualifier/Taiwan_Hong_Kong_Macau
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Profile Joined December 2014
United States337 Posts
January 14 2015 02:47 GMT
#10
I've been hyped for Chinese players since TeD won WCG with the Undead in Warcraft 3. Go go China~
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mikumegurine
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada3145 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-14 03:08:08
January 14 2015 03:02 GMT
#11
Though neither player has ever made it past the Ro16 of WCS AM, they were both denied by Korean opponents.

Jim has been in the Ro8 of WCS AM 2013 Season 2

he was actually 5th which is the next highest placing of ANY foreigner next to Scarlett

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_2_America/Premier

if you meant Jim never made it in 2014 thats true, but the wording said "has ever made it"
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
January 14 2015 03:06 GMT
#12
close enough
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-14 03:14:12
January 14 2015 03:10 GMT
#13
On January 14 2015 11:42 BreAKerTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2015 11:32 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
WTF Has didn't make it to the final 8?

I wanted to see some cannon shennanigans!!!

That is in a separate qualifier that you can find here:http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_WCS_Season_1/Qualifier/Taiwan_Hong_Kong_Macau

I thought Has is Chinese, not Taiwanese.

Thanks for clarification!
mikumegurine
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada3145 Posts
January 14 2015 03:12 GMT
#14
On January 14 2015 12:10 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2015 11:42 BreAKerTV wrote:
On January 14 2015 11:32 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
WTF Has didn't make it to the final 8?

I wanted to see some cannon shennanigans!!!

That is in a separate qualifier that you can find here:http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_WCS_Season_1/Qualifier/Taiwan_Hong_Kong_Macau

I thought Has is Taiwanese, not Chinese.

Thanks for clarification!


yea Taiwanese so Has got an arguably easier route into premier than the china qualifers
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
January 14 2015 03:15 GMT
#15
After watching him proxy nexus into tempest against MarineKing and 7 cannon rushign JD I knew I was going to be a fan of Has!
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
January 14 2015 03:16 GMT
#16
Holy shit the Taiwanese scene is full of zergs! Hey Breaker, can you explain why so many like zerg?
Adept
Profile Joined December 2009
United States472 Posts
January 14 2015 03:36 GMT
#17
Can't wait to see what sort of unusual games end up coming out of this!
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
January 14 2015 03:46 GMT
#18
I'd favour TooDming over Jim, but other than that I agree.
dyDrawer
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada438 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-14 03:55:07
January 14 2015 03:52 GMT
#19
On January 14 2015 11:22 lichter wrote:
"Friends of the harmonic order to convince Mang" (according to Google Translate)


LOL.

If you're talking about the ID "以谐会友以莽服人", it actually means: Meeting new friends through a love of comedy, and proving your dominance with aggressive all-ins. It's a twist on two Chinese idioms "以书会友" (Meeting new friends through a common love of books) and "以德服人" (Proving your dominance with good virtue).

Comedy, or "谐", is a term widely associated with F91 who's known as Comedian-in-Chief. It describes unorthodox and funny play. "莽" is associated with Courage, who's famous for Roach busts. So it's actually a pretty StarCraft related ID.
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
January 14 2015 04:06 GMT
#20
I was looking at the brackets and I looked a bistork the player from Hong Kong who played in the Chinese qualifier.

According to aligulac (http://aligulac.com/players/7882-IrOnSouL/), he is a single person who uses two IDs (P)bistork and (P)IrOnSouL. TLPD obviously doesn't agree. And both his TLPD profiles and his Aligulac record don't match the Liquipedia pages that mention IrOnSouL and bistork. What's the deal with this/these guy/guys?


digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6330 Posts
January 14 2015 04:22 GMT
#21
You forget that Top just beat MacSed 3-1 not long ago: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GPL_2014_Season_2/Premier#Playoffs
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Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-14 04:23:56
January 14 2015 04:23 GMT
#22
Just a few weeks ago, Top unceremoniously heaved MacSed out of the GPL 3 games to 1 in what can only be described as Top games - it'll take a serious change in the iG player's mindset to get a Premier seat tonight.

EDIT: God damn it, digmouse.
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
January 14 2015 05:57 GMT
#23
i forgot to post this masterpiece screenshot of toodming vs scarlett

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United States97276 Posts
January 14 2015 06:13 GMT
#24
Toodming is going to get stomped
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Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
January 14 2015 06:50 GMT
#25
What's the Express Train that Jim came up with? :O
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
January 14 2015 07:16 GMT
#26
On January 14 2015 15:50 sudete wrote:
What's the Express Train that Jim came up with? :O


why build a robo in your base when you can proxy your immortals
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
January 14 2015 07:47 GMT
#27
I have watched a few of the other regional quals, and I must say there were some interesting matches. I really hope these quals matches are going to be better!

ToodMing though all the way!
Advantageous
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
China1350 Posts
January 14 2015 07:47 GMT
#28
On January 14 2015 11:32 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
WTF Has didn't make it to the final 8?

I wanted to see some cannon shennanigans!!!


Has is Taiwan... not China.
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
January 14 2015 07:49 GMT
#29
On January 14 2015 16:47 Advantageous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2015 11:32 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
WTF Has didn't make it to the final 8?

I wanted to see some cannon shennanigans!!!


Has is Taiwan... not China.

lol thanks!

You're the fourth person to correct me lol.

Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-14 07:56:18
January 14 2015 07:55 GMT
#30
Hey did anyone see the replays of those maphackers in the Chinese scene? Was it obvious from the replays they were hacking?

I know that Blizzard created a council to decide on possible maphackers, which I think is a great idea. Can someone link me the thread about that please? I forgot the name of it.
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Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3811 Posts
January 14 2015 08:07 GMT
#31
Jim is 13-8 over toodming not 18-13
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Profile Joined August 2012
Norway1746 Posts
January 14 2015 09:06 GMT
#32
Too bad its on at the same time as gsl :/

Hoping for zerg god Toodming to get through!
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Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden350 Posts
January 14 2015 09:34 GMT
#33
On January 14 2015 13:06 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
I was looking at the brackets and I looked a bistork the player from Hong Kong who played in the Chinese qualifier.

According to aligulac (http://aligulac.com/players/7882-IrOnSouL/), he is a single person who uses two IDs (P)bistork and (P)IrOnSouL. TLPD obviously doesn't agree. And both his TLPD profiles and his Aligulac record don't match the Liquipedia pages that mention IrOnSouL and bistork. What's the deal with this/these guy/guys?



I was the one who merged them on Aligulac. But only after finding a forum post by a user named Ironsoul (or bistork) signing up for a tournament using bistork (or Ironsoul). Can't remember the neither the tournament nor the forum but searching for them might help.
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Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
January 14 2015 18:40 GMT
#34
let's go iG boys! make edison proud
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Profile Joined May 2012
United States347 Posts
January 14 2015 18:58 GMT
#35
Really pulling for my boy Jim! Really wanting him to show great results in 2015.

#basedJim
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Profile Joined January 2013
United States976 Posts
January 14 2015 20:22 GMT
#36
I love Chinese players!
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Profile Joined January 2013
40 Posts
January 14 2015 20:35 GMT
#37
On January 14 2015 12:52 dyDrawer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2015 11:22 lichter wrote:
"Friends of the harmonic order to convince Mang" (according to Google Translate)


LOL.

If you're talking about the ID "以谐会友以莽服人", it actually means: Meeting new friends through a love of comedy, and proving your dominance with aggressive all-ins. It's a twist on two Chinese idioms "以书会友" (Meeting new friends through a common love of books) and "以德服人" (Proving your dominance with good virtue).

Comedy, or "谐", is a term widely associated with F91 who's known as Comedian-in-Chief. It describes unorthodox and funny play. "莽" is associated with Courage, who's famous for Roach busts. So it's actually a pretty StarCraft related ID.


i though 谐 means epic fails?
xenoZhang
Profile Joined July 2012
China142 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-15 01:15:42
January 15 2015 01:14 GMT
#38
On January 15 2015 05:35 liduof wrote:
i though 谐 means epic fails?




谐 was heavily used in Chinese scene, so it does have mixture of meanings.

谐 literally means funny and interesting,
for game aspect. 谐 usually refers to players who like unorthodox play style or mind games or use builds makes no sense what not, like zvz baneling drop or 6 hatches before pool. Plus, yea, epic fails does count.

莽 is like player who likes to win with sheer strength. Aggressive, macro, roach, mass marine, words like those are usually associate with Mang(莽) player, they will rally and charge forward forever while rarely doing any multipronged attack, good examples like Bomber and MarineKing in his prime.
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liduof
Profile Joined January 2013
40 Posts
February 25 2015 13:47 GMT
#39
On January 15 2015 10:14 xenoZhang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 05:35 liduof wrote:
i though 谐 means epic fails?




谐 was heavily used in Chinese scene, so it does have mixture of meanings.

谐 literally means funny and interesting,
for game aspect. 谐 usually refers to players who like unorthodox play style or mind games or use builds makes no sense what not, like zvz baneling drop or 6 hatches before pool. Plus, yea, epic fails does count.

莽 is like player who likes to win with sheer strength. Aggressive, macro, roach, mass marine, words like those are usually associate with Mang(莽) player, they will rally and charge forward forever while rarely doing any multipronged attack, good examples like Bomber and MarineKing in his prime.


dude my id is Pinyin...
which means im a chinese lol
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Germany2127 Posts
February 25 2015 14:23 GMT
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