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InfCereal
Canada1759 Posts
On January 13 2015 07:23 Gwavajuice wrote: In that case feel free to open your map editor and give the wonderfull maps that exists in your head... As long as protoss exist, not even the best map makers can make the maps they have in their heads. | ||
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7798 Posts
Secret Springs just kinda sucks. The third is too far away and I can't understand why. Vaani is actually pretty good. Am a fan. If they remove close spawns, Inferno Pools will be okay for the most part. The high ground behind the gold base is pretty fucking lame but eh. | ||
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AFSpeeDy
126 Posts
On January 13 2015 07:29 RPR_Tempest wrote: Expedition Lost is probably the worst map ever created. It's literally everything bad in a map. Back rocks to the main, gold bases, super far away 3rd.. Yeah. Remember Dreampool?  | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On January 13 2015 07:23 Gwavajuice wrote: Expedition lost : made by community map maker (algue) Catalena : made by community map maker (timmay) Overgrowth : made by community map maker (EastWindy ) Plus, in season 3 : Foxtrot : made by community map maker (Uvantak ) Merry go round : made by community map maker (Winpark ) King sejong's station : made by community map maker (Str18-02 ) Nimbus : made by community map maker (Icetoad and wrl ) Deadwing : made by community map maker (JessicaSc2) be happy cause the day you were longing for happened a long ago already. But maybe you think all these mapmackers are trash? In that case feel free to open your map editor and give the wonderfull maps that exists in your head... Well, but this time for the first time in forever blizzard added 3 of their own maps. And not one of them even tried to be a generic map that blizzard is very well capable making. They are all experimental. It would be much better if they only added 1-2 maps. Or if they at least tried to make one map in which they wanted to get the usual stats like rush distance, air rush distance, first 3base expansion layout, numbers of attack paths, size of attack paths right. They didn't manage that with even just one of their maps. | ||
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7798 Posts
I would rather any dreampool map than Expedition Lost. | ||
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Tuczniak
1561 Posts
On January 13 2015 01:37 SC2Toastie wrote: If you understand how strategies and engagements work, it's pretty easy to tell big design flaws. Usually certain map feature hugely favors certain strategy (immortal allin, blink allin, aggression against 3rd base ZvP TvP, aggression against 4th TvZ, against 4th 5th PvZ, hiding natural in ingame etc etc). And SC2 is not all around game when you have different map, everything will be changed and still balanced, even very standard game on standard map has imbalances many consider big. Having certain strategies suddenly supercharged doesn't add to balance and asymmetric balance very rarely works in map design ( = I abuse that, you abuse this). So many people are always so quick to jump to conclusions. How can you determine in one day of play that a map is shit and sucks and fucked up and Zerg so underpowered never gonna win etc blalalal? Zerg usually gets short end of stick in maps, they are either abused or the map is balanced (with the exception of open and distant thirds/superopen naturals - Daedalus). Adding features that make immortal allin even stronger or taking 4th against terran twice as risky won't really add gameplay diversity unless one want to see allins more. (<- random examples) I believe you can make different maps. But adding features "you won't take 3rd/4th in this matchup", "you can't scout that" don't help the game. Anyway I wish we would get 'Overgrowth - Winter Edition' or other things like that. It's one of the few good maps, that's why it stayed for so long. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24212 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
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Thalandros
Netherlands1151 Posts
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Xinzoe
Korea (South)2373 Posts
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yokohama
United States1116 Posts
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
Secret spring PvT, come and try to counter mass drop play. 3rd? Forget! :D Vaani Station looks a bit more promising between all the new maps, and still had few proxy gateways/rax there. Inferno Pools looks huge, but if I opens with Nexus first vs Z it's pretty damn hard to hold ur natural ramp, which must be blocked by 3 buildings + pylon + zealot. Horizontal spawns should be remowed. All the time zers opens with pool first and I opens with Nexus first, I dies, doesnt matter what spawns are. Too much cheeses and allins happened today, like every 2nd PvP I see proxygateways on my natural or somewhere around. Feeling like deadwing is a perfect map in comparison to all these new. | ||
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Lateral
United States3 Posts
As a Protoss, it's basically a must-veto. You can't even FFE on that map. | ||
The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On January 13 2015 08:56 Lateral wrote: Holy shit Inferno Pools is terrible. Who even thought this would be even close to acceptable for the 1v1 map pool? That natural is disgusting. As a Protoss, it's basically a must-veto. You can't even FFE on that map. Um, I'm pretty sure it's a single double-wide ramp at the natural? | ||
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duckk
United States622 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On January 13 2015 09:12 The_Templar wrote: Um, I'm pretty sure it's a single double-wide ramp at the natural? it's triple wide. Which isn't new, there have been other triple wide ramps without additional blocking through the history of SC2 as far as I remember, quadruple is the big problem. Still waiting to get SS in TvZ. Can't wait to see what stupid shit I can pull of when I'm allowed to block the whole map with a single barracks or ebay. | ||
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KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10677 Posts
Top master Zerg in all seasons except last season lol. | ||
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las91
United States5080 Posts
Overall, vetoeing Secret Spring, Expedition Lost, and Inferno in a week once I get completely sick of them. On January 13 2015 09:12 The_Templar wrote: Um, I'm pretty sure it's a single double-wide ramp at the natural? It requires 3 large buildings + a pylon to wall off, it's not FFEable | ||
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Parcelleus
Australia1662 Posts
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