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RHoudini
Belgium3627 Posts
On December 18 2014 04:06 EatThePath wrote: Why do I get the impression whenever I read these that the sc2 design team has no idea what it's doing. Exactly. It feels like they're just doing some random stuff and hope that eventually something will work out. Then again, the lack of any other competitive RTS videogame suggests that this genre is really, really difficult. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/CRIiTBe.jpg) Ninja Edit, muhaha | ||
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
Different mineral patches is a good idea, forces players to spread out to more bases faster but also actually have more operational bases which just depleting every patch doesn't really do. Terran changes I don't know. Splitting air upgrades is good I think, as it creates more options, now it's just mech+air or bio and more mixes should be potentially viable. Just make it cheap enough. Herc and cyclone unit still feel a bit overlapping and a bit mediocre. Zerg looks very cool so far, love the roach upgrade and the lurker is awesome. Some other changes like removing ultralisk upgrade, tweaking infestor more all look good. Protoss changes seem very lackluster so far. New unit feels kinda stupid and that's about it. Some new options definately needed here. | ||
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
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AmericanUmlaut
Germany2581 Posts
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
Solution > Harass unit (?), that's slow (???) and can go invulnerable (?????). ...what? On the whole I like these changes but the design philosophy for the new Protoss unit they want to put in just seems bizarre. | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3459 Posts
On December 18 2014 20:54 AmericanUmlaut wrote: I'm not really persuaded by the mineral patch idea. With a typical upper limit of about 70 active workers, once you've gone to the trouble of securing a base with 8 patches, and if it's a major increase in the risk of taking harass damage to spread your workers over more bases, then you can just transfer all workers from a partially mining base to a fully mining base. At least until you're out of bases to expand to, the change doesn't negate the basic problem that there is no marginal advantage from having more than three actively mining bases. It will create more scenarios where players don't get to the 3 base economy so easily. Once you've gotten a lockdown on even 4 base, your main is mined out and your natural is on half the patches. I find this change damn sexy! and minerals gone overall means less big balls of doom. | ||
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beyondOnesGrasp
3 Posts
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Startyr
Scotland188 Posts
http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Soul_hunter#StarCraft_II With an arcing or multishot attack and swap the empowering ability for the 'phase shift' As well as harrasing in small numbers it could fit with zealot/archon and use its invulnerable phase to absorb things like mine shots, Also potentially a ground unit that could help defend against mutalisks, without being forced to need phoenix. | ||
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PineapplePizza
United States749 Posts
Are they still going to go without a high ground advantage? Does nobody want them to tone down the spawn-larvae style abilities? | ||
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404AlphaSquad
839 Posts
On December 18 2014 22:04 PineapplePizza wrote: Have they ever explained why they wouldn't go back to StarCraft 1's economy? Are they still going to go without a high ground advantage? Does nobody want them to tone down the spawn-larvae style abilities? No(some stuff about not beeing visible) yes I want to, but most people dont. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
The number of interesting builds who rely on a earlier worker count are not worth keeping the game super slow to start for all the other builds. One thing that it won't do is kill cheese. It will just spawn other cheese or proxy builds. No 6pool though. Are we really going to miss that? | ||
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Flood1993
Spain61 Posts
Redesign mothership core completely. Horrible design for interesting gameplay IMO. Even take it away along with the sentry and give protoss another unit so that they have a decent army out of gateways and not have to rely on forcefields. Maybe give a modified version of the cyclone to Protoss? And take it away from Terran. I don't like the Herc change at all... Knock back? What's next? Stun? Really... Maybe it would be a great idea for Protoss to get a ranged (only vs ground?), light unit from the gateway and then make Stalker a little bit more expensive but also make it do full damage vs everything instead of only vs armored. This unit could shoot while moving in order to chase bio or something (without additional damage vs light). Stalker could even require Twilight Council tech if the other unit was well designed. And make force-field targetable (or however its written). I was thinking also about a unit that could climb up cliffs, but not down (harassing option for the zerg maybe?), but I'm not sure if it would fit in any race right now. Perhaps an upgrade or ability for the Ravager. (Sacrifice them in order to snipe some workers or something). Armory upgrade for reactored tech lab? (Then you have to upgrade them manually so they cost the same coming from reactor or tech lab) Make Xel'Naga towers destructible too. Make overseers poop larva for the same cost of changelings. Protoss gateways produce faster than its warpgate counterpart. Reduce viking transformation timings in order to allow for more harassing options. I don't know the current state of the siege tank drop mechanics, but it should be able to be picked when in siege mode but be in unsiege mode when dropped (have an animation on the medivac so you can't insta drop them). Maybe make lair and hive produce larva faster or allow for 2 queen production at the same time. It could even be an upgrade. And please don't put in any units which gain invulnerability... Please Blizzard, test crazy ideas now that not even the beta is out... | ||
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Jenia6109
Russian Federation1612 Posts
Or Reaver with Phase Shift (slow unit!!!) | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24234 Posts
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Dingodile
4137 Posts
On December 18 2014 20:22 RHoudini wrote: Exactly. It feels like they're just doing some random stuff and hope that eventually something will work out. Then again, the lack of any other competitive RTS videogame suggests that this genre is really, really difficult. Rather that you dont like these design changes (another hardcounter unit etc), that why you think they have no clue about it. I highly dislike their complete sc2 design. I dont care about balance if there are too many NoFun and trash units, to many units with almost no micro potential. Many units with bad interaction etc. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On December 18 2014 22:12 Flood1993 wrote: Please Blizzard, test crazy ideas now that not even the beta is out... They said before specifically that they are waiting for beta to be out before they go completely crazy with changes so that they can get proper feedback instead of speculation. It’s really not possible to definitively say how good or bad a change is until we’ve had a lot of playtesting. Recently we’ve seen some feedback and discussion turn into definitive conclusions on certain subjects, many of which differ from what we’re seeing in our internal playtesting. We’d like to make sure that everyone understands that nothing is final, and while the discussion on these changes is helpful, there’s no need to overreact to any of these changes we’ve previewed so far. There will be a time for everyone to test these changes personally and see how they play out. We’d really love to heavily test various, sometimes more extreme, ideas during the upcoming Beta. | ||
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weikor
Austria580 Posts
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Flood1993
Spain61 Posts
On December 18 2014 23:00 ZAiNs wrote: They said before specifically that they are waiting for beta to be out before they go completely crazy with changes so that they can get proper feedback instead of speculation. Seeing what they did with HotS I don't have too much faith really... | ||
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-NegativeZero-
United States2142 Posts
On December 18 2014 23:17 Flood1993 wrote: Seeing what they did with HotS I don't have too much faith really... I'm cautiously optimistic, so far they already seem to be willing to make more big changes than in HotS. | ||
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