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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
November 10 2014 17:06 GMT
#41
Who forgot to put the highlight of the night?

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astray71
Profile Joined February 2012
United States325 Posts
November 10 2014 17:21 GMT
#42
Artosis Curse is too strong. Everyone he named fell
There is no victory without the blessing of god, and there is no god but Madlife.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-10 17:33:03
November 10 2014 17:32 GMT
#43
On November 11 2014 02:21 astray71 wrote:
Artosis Curse is too strong. Everyone he named fell

n/m, was mistaken
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Jornada
Profile Joined February 2012
United States223 Posts
November 10 2014 17:48 GMT
#44
Life ... uhh uhh... Finds a way
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M4nkind
Profile Joined December 2011
Lithuania178 Posts
November 10 2014 17:51 GMT
#45
On November 10 2014 23:47 Charoisaur wrote:
it seems to me that in those big games, the players who play more cheesy have an advantage over straight up macro players.
think about it, we had three world champion. First we had parting with his soultrain, then sOs with his cannonrushs and proxy oracles and now life with banelingbusts and proxy hatches.
I have the feeling that when the pressure is so high, cheesy players just have an advantage above macro players.


Who is a better player that can only play the same thing all the time (Rain, Happy) or those who can play in any way (Life, SOS) ?

Predictable players will always be weaker than cheesy ones, how can one prepare for something unexpected? Competitive gaming is not ladder those who win may win by any means necessary and they do. If you were in Life's shoes what would you do? Go straight macro for 5 games vs Taeja. when Zergs are considered to be weaker against terran these days? Life is no fool. He knew his enemy and himself.
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 10 2014 18:02 GMT
#46
On November 11 2014 01:44 LongShot27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2014 19:47 Keeemy wrote:
On November 10 2014 15:59 LongShot27 wrote:
Life is by no means the most skilled player in the world, I wouldn't even put him in the top ten. But he did what he needed when he needed to and at least for a while he's the best.

The fucking ignorance.


And apparently you and everyone else is fucking illiterate.

User was warned for this post


You're welcome to elaborate on your original claim. I interpreted it as you saying that Life does not posses the raw skill required to place among the top 10 players in the world, but I would dispute that claim as well as say that simply "raw skill" (probably what you think of as mechanics) does not make a champion or even a good player. Doing what it takes to win is part of the game, and I think it's meaningless to hold the terms apart.

What did you mean?
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nullroar
Profile Joined August 2010
United States32 Posts
November 10 2014 18:23 GMT
#47
Life was incredible - I can't believe folks are demeaning his play. The games vs. Taeja were probably the best TvZ I've seen all year. I say this as a guy living in Estonia at the moment, so you can believe the games had to be good for me to stay up till god-knows-when in the morning to watch 'em.
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1413 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-10 18:44:27
November 10 2014 18:43 GMT
#48
life isn't nearly good enough to beat taeja in straight up games.

he knew that.

which is why he countered taeja's play with creativity and brainsmarts. which was the right thing to do honestly. i mean, you can try beating a bear in a fist fight, but nobody will remember you as a hero or smart.

what i want to say with that is, life deserved the win. it wasn't pretty, but taeja failed to paly it safe against life, who literally played cheesy aggression 4 out of 5 games. i mean, you could try to adapt to that.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 10 2014 18:49 GMT
#49
On November 11 2014 03:43 Tanzklaue wrote:
life isn't nearly good enough to beat taeja in straight up games.

he knew that.

which is why he countered taeja's play with creativity and brainsmarts. which was the right thing to do honestly. i mean, you can try beating a bear in a fist fight, but nobody will remember you as a hero or smart.

what i want to say with that is, life deserved the win. it wasn't pretty, but taeja failed to paly it safe against life, who literally played cheesy aggression 4 out of 5 games. i mean, you could try to adapt to that.


While game 2 began in a very strange fashion, I would still argue that all of the abilities Life displayed in that game made it clear that he has a good chance to beat Taeja even in a mostly straight-up game. The game mostly normalized once Taeja got past the initial proxy hatch shenanigans, and it definitely wasn't strange enough after that to call it off-the-wall weird. Sure, he might not regularly beat him in NR15, but he definitely can.
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jayy5
Profile Joined June 2014
Canada11 Posts
November 10 2014 18:51 GMT
#50
On November 10 2014 23:58 Pegas wrote:
Props to Life for not Swarmhosting the finals.
That being said yes I think MMA and Taeja had the superior mechanics but Life had the best response and fastest decision making.


MMA's superior mechanics???? WHAT THE HELL?
Stupidest thing I've read on this thread.

Life vs MMA is proof that the top bracket of the tournament was the weakest shit known to man.

Life beat Zest, San (who cares) and Taeja, before completely wiping the floor with MMA. The guy had no chance at all whatsoever in the least. It was watching 2 different caliber of players. I can't believe 3 of the 5 announcers picked MMA to win. It's clear if you watched any of the games in the finals that the only reason he's in Blizzcon is because he's not playing in Korea.

Don't put Taeja and MMA in the same level ever please and thank you.
DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
November 10 2014 18:52 GMT
#51
Life <3
Moonsalt
Profile Joined May 2011
267 Posts
November 10 2014 18:56 GMT
#52
Few of us indeed thought this would happen, I'm so glad he won
tekrebel
Profile Joined June 2012
56 Posts
November 10 2014 18:56 GMT
#53
On November 11 2014 02:06 Skynx wrote:
Who forgot to put the highlight of the night?

[image loading]



ZOMG Im sitting next to the guy in the bright orange hat! I feel like a celebrity.
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1413 Posts
November 10 2014 18:56 GMT
#54
On November 11 2014 03:49 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2014 03:43 Tanzklaue wrote:
life isn't nearly good enough to beat taeja in straight up games.

he knew that.

which is why he countered taeja's play with creativity and brainsmarts. which was the right thing to do honestly. i mean, you can try beating a bear in a fist fight, but nobody will remember you as a hero or smart.

what i want to say with that is, life deserved the win. it wasn't pretty, but taeja failed to paly it safe against life, who literally played cheesy aggression 4 out of 5 games. i mean, you could try to adapt to that.


While game 2 began in a very strange fashion, I would still argue that all of the abilities Life displayed in that game made it clear that he has a good chance to beat Taeja even in a mostly straight-up game. The game mostly normalized once Taeja got past the initial proxy hatch shenanigans, and it definitely wasn't strange enough after that to call it off-the-wall weird. Sure, he might not regularly beat him in NR15, but he definitely can.

ofc he can, but you can also pull games 1 and 4 for examples of taeja being as flawless as innovation at the height of his power.

like, if this blizzcon showed anything, then that when everything is on the line, anyone who is good can beat anyone else who is good.
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1413 Posts
November 10 2014 18:57 GMT
#55
On November 11 2014 03:51 jayy5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2014 23:58 Pegas wrote:
Props to Life for not Swarmhosting the finals.
That being said yes I think MMA and Taeja had the superior mechanics but Life had the best response and fastest decision making.


MMA's superior mechanics???? WHAT THE HELL?
Stupidest thing I've read on this thread.

Life vs MMA is proof that the top bracket of the tournament was the weakest shit known to man.

Life beat Zest, San (who cares) and Taeja, before completely wiping the floor with MMA. The guy had no chance at all whatsoever in the least. It was watching 2 different caliber of players. I can't believe 3 of the 5 announcers picked MMA to win. It's clear if you watched any of the games in the finals that the only reason he's in Blizzcon is because he's not playing in Korea.

Don't put Taeja and MMA in the same level ever please and thank you.

MMA crushed bomber and classic (also stardust who is no slouch) to reach the finals. classic and bomber were 2 of the favourites to win the whole thing.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 10 2014 19:05 GMT
#56
On November 11 2014 03:57 Tanzklaue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2014 03:51 jayy5 wrote:
On November 10 2014 23:58 Pegas wrote:
Props to Life for not Swarmhosting the finals.
That being said yes I think MMA and Taeja had the superior mechanics but Life had the best response and fastest decision making.


MMA's superior mechanics???? WHAT THE HELL?
Stupidest thing I've read on this thread.

Life vs MMA is proof that the top bracket of the tournament was the weakest shit known to man.

Life beat Zest, San (who cares) and Taeja, before completely wiping the floor with MMA. The guy had no chance at all whatsoever in the least. It was watching 2 different caliber of players. I can't believe 3 of the 5 announcers picked MMA to win. It's clear if you watched any of the games in the finals that the only reason he's in Blizzcon is because he's not playing in Korea.

Don't put Taeja and MMA in the same level ever please and thank you.

MMA crushed bomber and classic (also stardust who is no slouch) to reach the finals. classic and bomber were 2 of the favourites to win the whole thing.


I'll admit Bomber, but Classic a favorite? Not sure. Given that Bomber, herO, soO, Innovation, Zest and Taeja were already considered legitimate threats for the championship, throwing in Classic means we might as well throw in most of the attending players.
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Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1413 Posts
November 10 2014 19:08 GMT
#57
On November 11 2014 04:05 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2014 03:57 Tanzklaue wrote:
On November 11 2014 03:51 jayy5 wrote:
On November 10 2014 23:58 Pegas wrote:
Props to Life for not Swarmhosting the finals.
That being said yes I think MMA and Taeja had the superior mechanics but Life had the best response and fastest decision making.


MMA's superior mechanics???? WHAT THE HELL?
Stupidest thing I've read on this thread.

Life vs MMA is proof that the top bracket of the tournament was the weakest shit known to man.

Life beat Zest, San (who cares) and Taeja, before completely wiping the floor with MMA. The guy had no chance at all whatsoever in the least. It was watching 2 different caliber of players. I can't believe 3 of the 5 announcers picked MMA to win. It's clear if you watched any of the games in the finals that the only reason he's in Blizzcon is because he's not playing in Korea.

Don't put Taeja and MMA in the same level ever please and thank you.

MMA crushed bomber and classic (also stardust who is no slouch) to reach the finals. classic and bomber were 2 of the favourites to win the whole thing.


I'll admit Bomber, but Classic a favorite? Not sure. Given that Bomber, herO, soO, Innovation, Zest and Taeja were already considered legitimate threats for the championship, throwing in Classic means we might as well throw in most of the attending players.

classic is a bit of a stretch, but by the semifinals it was clear that he definitely was no joke, beating polt and hero.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
November 10 2014 19:17 GMT
#58
On November 11 2014 03:43 Tanzklaue wrote:
life isn't nearly good enough to beat taeja in straight up games.

he knew that.

which is why he countered taeja's play with creativity and brainsmarts. which was the right thing to do honestly. i mean, you can try beating a bear in a fist fight, but nobody will remember you as a hero or smart.

what i want to say with that is, life deserved the win. it wasn't pretty, but taeja failed to paly it safe against life, who literally played cheesy aggression 4 out of 5 games. i mean, you could try to adapt to that.

You could also say that TaeJa isn't nearly good enough to beat Life in non-straight up games then.
The fact that a player doesn't play accordingly to what your standards of "straight-up" or "macro" are doesn't mean he's bad and saying that he is is total bullshit. Starcraft II is a strategy game, not a button-clicking game. Life won with both his strategic mind and his mechanics. Implying he's not on the level of the best players of this game in one of those dimensions is what I'd call... controversial
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TsogiMaster
Profile Joined October 2014
191 Posts
November 10 2014 19:20 GMT
#59
Life deserved the win, but i have to say, i agree with the point (dont remember who it was), that the final should've been on Sunday. MMA played so terrible and you could see after game 1 on MMA's face how desperate he was. If he had time to prepare his TvZ, I think the final wouldn't have been so one sided as it was, it would've been more closer and greater series like the Taeja vs soO and Taeja vs Life series. Almost in every games MMA tried to do 2 base all ins/pushes instead to play macro games, which he usually does vs Zergs. In game 1 he could've killed many drones with the 4-5 marines+1 hellbat, instead he went to the second hatch and killed only 2 queens. In game 2 he tried to do a tank, marine push with the lack of information about Life's strategy/ even Life's playstyle. In game 3 he won it only because Life didn't scout and knew what MMA was up to. If he knew it, he would've won it easily. But it was strong timing. In game 4 MMA should've pushed earlier, if he wants to do 2 base timing. He pushed so late, Life's 4th was even up. Usually MMA won't make such mistakes. In game 5 he saw the baneling nest, and if he knew how aggressive Life plays, he would've done more bunkers and earlier. Well we could all see the lack of preparation of TvZ on MMA. Well like someone said, Life played vs Taeja, and he had 1 day to prepare his ZvT. Well so it was deserved win for Life, but only because MMA wasn't prepared.
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Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1413 Posts
November 10 2014 19:21 GMT
#60
On November 11 2014 04:17 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2014 03:43 Tanzklaue wrote:
life isn't nearly good enough to beat taeja in straight up games.

he knew that.

which is why he countered taeja's play with creativity and brainsmarts. which was the right thing to do honestly. i mean, you can try beating a bear in a fist fight, but nobody will remember you as a hero or smart.

what i want to say with that is, life deserved the win. it wasn't pretty, but taeja failed to paly it safe against life, who literally played cheesy aggression 4 out of 5 games. i mean, you could try to adapt to that.

You could also say that TaeJa isn't nearly good enough to beat Life in non-straight up games then.
The fact that a player doesn't play accordingly to what your standards of "straight-up" or "macro" are doesn't mean he's bad and saying that he is is total bullshit. Starcraft II is a strategy game, not a button-clicking game. Life won with both his strategic mind and his mechanics. Implying he's not on the level of the best players of this game in one of those dimensions is what I'd call... controversial

did you even read the rest of my post where i said that life deserved to win because he was the smarter man and taeja refused to adapt, thus making life superior to taeja?
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