WCS Global Finals - Semis and Grand Finals Recaps - Page 6

Apoteosis

Chile820 Posts

November 11 2014 22:22 GMT

#101

On November 12 2014 01:01 cpower wrote:
I think its safe to say the top three players for each race are:
Zest, Taeja and soO

Zest is good at pvp.
Taeja is good at Dreamhacks.
soO is good at getting second.

cpower

228 Posts

November 11 2014 22:51 GMT

#102

On November 12 2014 07:22 Apoteosis wrote:

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Zest is good at pvp.
Taeja is good at Dreamhacks.
soO is good at getting second.

pvp is good enough when there are 6 toss in top 8
taeja is good at beating big name players like zest, innovation, soo, rain, etc
soo is good at everything but cheesing

EnumaAvalon

Philippines3613 Posts

November 11 2014 22:54 GMT

#103

I was writing off life and MMA to be honest. Pleasant surprise tho :D

jayy5

Canada11 Posts

November 12 2014 18:33 GMT

#104

On November 11 2014 08:07 TsogiMaster wrote:

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On November 11 2014 07:30 Zealously wrote:

On November 11 2014 07:11 TsogiMaster wrote:

On November 11 2014 07:02 Zealously wrote:

On November 11 2014 06:44 TsogiMaster wrote:

On November 11 2014 05:48 jayy5 wrote:

On November 11 2014 03:57 Tanzklaue wrote:

On November 11 2014 03:51 jayy5 wrote:

On November 10 2014 23:58 Pegas wrote:
Props to Life for not Swarmhosting the finals.
That being said yes I think MMA and Taeja had the superior mechanics but Life had the best response and fastest decision making.

MMA's superior mechanics???? WHAT THE HELL?
Stupidest thing I've read on this thread.

Life vs MMA is proof that the top bracket of the tournament was the weakest shit known to man.

Life beat Zest, San (who cares) and Taeja, before completely wiping the floor with MMA. The guy had no chance at all whatsoever in the least. It was watching 2 different caliber of players. I can't believe 3 of the 5 announcers picked MMA to win. It's clear if you watched any of the games in the finals that the only reason he's in Blizzcon is because he's not playing in Korea.

Don't put Taeja and MMA in the same level ever please and thank you.

MMA crushed bomber and classic (also stardust who is no slouch) to reach the finals. classic and bomber were 2 of the favourites to win the whole thing.

So MMA has better mechanics than Life?? Does anyone agree with this? Life only beat MMA through trickery and non-standard play? Everything looked standard to me.

MMA beat Bomber using 3-Viking build that Bomber couldn't adjust for.

Following Proleague and GSL, the only legitimate contenders at the beginning of the tournament were Zest, Taeja, Innovation and soO - no one from the top bracket.
Maybe herO...but that's a big maybe for anyone following the Korean scene.
Bomber is in the category of "could beat any of the KR region pros...but would be an underdog"
MMA is in the "if he wins against any KR code S player I'll be shocked"
- I was shocked he beat Classic. But after rewatching R32 season 3 GSL...classic is serious code A material at this point.

Top bracket was pretty trash - Polt is a heart favorite but he's not top tier.
Stardust!? MC?! Jaedong?! Classic?! MMA?! None of these players had any sort of shot. herO and Bomber were LONG odds.

Basically what I'm saying is San > Stardust, Zest >>>>>> Classic, Taeja > Bomber during Blizzcon...Life came through the hard way, and it showed in the finals - 4-1 and wasn't close.

LoL, Bomber is same level as Taeja or even better.(in TvT definitely), and I cant believe how many people seeing MMA as so bad player. MMA is capable to beat any code S player. Like I said before he had surely no practice on his TvZ matchup, otherwise he would've won vs Life.

Why do you think a player who proved himself off in his knowledge of TvZ timings and so inept at defending the most rudimentary of aggression would be able to beat a player that just took out Taeja (whose kill list includes soO, Solar, Life, and every other Zerg in the universe) with an additional day of practice?

LoL? MMA's best matchup was TvZ, but recently almost in every tournaments he hadn't to play any Zergs, almost only vs P or T. With that 1 day, he beated Classic easily, and MMA is well know for his good preparations vs his current opponnents. If he knew, he was playing vs Life, i am 100% sure, the finals were 4-3 to either side, not so one sided as it was. Seems people who only follow Koreans scene and think Code S players are much better than the NA or EU koreans, have no idea how good MMA, Bomber are. I think only Taeja is accepted as good player, if i read the comments. Sadly MMA is so underrated, I am pretty sure, if he had harder bracket and lost in the final, he would still be for most people a bad player who has no chance vs Code S player.

If you watched Life's games against Zest and San (and even to some extent Taeja), you would find that the same kind of preparation you think MMA is so impressive in is something Life also masters. I get that you think we're criminally underrating MMA, but he really showed nothing in the finals to imply that he was (is) anywhere near Taeja's level in the matchup.

Like i said, Life DESERVED to win, It was really ONE SIDED, and MMA disappointed many people, but the point is MMA had literally no TvZ preparation, you could see that during the games, he did so many mistakes, and his face told everything, he didnt know what to do, was trying to do desperately 2 base all ins. If he had dat 1 day preparation it would've been different story, and Taeja had enough Zerg opponnents, to practice, which MMA hadn't. WCS EU finals he only played vs Golden. DH Moscow, only good Zerg player was Snute and like he said there, he STUDIED Snute and made that twice that 11/11 proxy raxes. If he studied Life aswell, for a player like him, 1 day is enough to prepare many BOs. So Life owned him because of MMA's lack of preparation.

Definitely not. It's like you didn't even watch that series. It wasn't a matter of no preparation - it's a matter of skill.

Again, MMA beat Bomber who was the only worthy opponent, but he did it through 3-viking TvT, which Bomber couldn't adjust for. I'm not saying it's trickery, but I'm saying it's not due to overwhelming mechanics but a tactic.

Life beat Zest and San in macro games, destroyed Taeja (and got destroyed) in macro and micro games. MMA and *ANYONE* who came from the top bracket had no chance against whoever came up out of the bottom bracket.

All 4 tournament favorites were in the bottom bracket, the top bracket having a winner would have been a total shocker.

Even MC said "If Classic, then MMA OK, but if herO, then no way" - and guess what, MMA got lucky that Classic won the PvP coin flip.

You simply CANNOT compare premier league achievements across regions. CANNOT. NO. It's a different league. The skill level IS as different as NFL vs College or Premier League vs Division 1.

Edit: and nothing against Snute but I cannot believe you just compared Life to Snute.
Double edit: 11/11 rax isn't hard to hold. There's only so many strategies you can do. Life has been playing the SAME for 2.5 years - if you haven't figured him out, you cannot figure him out. It's the same as Taeja. Just because you know how he's going to play doesn't mean you can win.

ejozl

Denmark3340 Posts

November 16 2014 23:50 GMT

#105

On November 10 2014 19:29 OtherWorld wrote:

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TaeJa is retiring and I'm not convinced PartinG will be back to its WoL level (yeah, the soul train lost efficiency)

Calling you out!