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On October 03 2014 11:37 Shellshock wrote:
why would you put herO over Solar? herO got a 2nd place in a tournament and then lost to Solar in the tournament Solar won. Solar made Ro8 GSL. I don't think it's unreasonable for Solar to be ahead of herO
the one tournament herO got far in he was invited to based off results well before this month. Solar lost in the final of the qualifier by 1 map
Becasue in my opinion a powerrank is about determining who is the best player currently, and I look at each and loss indivudally and weight on the strenght of the oppoennt. Thus, I don't give extra crredit to tournamnet wins. Rather, I believe it's mainly a result of variance. Some times good players wins a lot of games in a row and ends up winning a tournament and other times even better players ends up losing a game here and there and dropping out.
Solar simply do not have consistent good results against higher-caliber players for me to trust him. He has been quite mediocore for a while, and in order for me to convince me that its really a signifciant improvement, he will need to win over more Koreans. Flash did that in July and August and thus honestly looked like the best player in the world for a while. However, I am more confident in Heros skills than Solars skills (and much more confident in Heros skills than Cures sklils whom I tbh probably also would rank below Flash).
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On October 03 2014 12:13 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2014 11:37 Shellshock wrote:
why would you put herO over Solar? herO got a 2nd place in a tournament and then lost to Solar in the tournament Solar won. Solar made Ro8 GSL. I don't think it's unreasonable for Solar to be ahead of herO
the one tournament herO got far in he was invited to based off results well before this month. Solar lost in the final of the qualifier by 1 map Becasue in my opinion a powerrank is about determining who is the best player currently, and I look at each and loss indivudally and weight on the strenght of the oppoennt. Thus, I don't give extra crredit to tournamnet wins. Rather, I believe it's mainly a result of variance. Some times good players wins a lot of games in a row and ends up winning a tournament and other times even better players ends up losing a game here and there and dropping out. Solar simply do not have consistent good results against higher-caliber players for me to trust him. He has been quite mediocore for a while, and in order for me to convince me that its really a signifciant improvement, he will need to win over more Koreans. Flash did that in July and August and thus honestly looked like the best player in the world for a while. However, I am more confident in Heros skills than Solars skills (and much more confident in Heros skills than Cures sklils whom I tbh probably also would rank below Flash).
Looking at a power rank for the very current (at time of speaking) best player is silly. They are monthly rankings. So, you sort of use the "average dominance" of each player for that particular month (September). [Note: You seem to be arguing the same thing: that players should be ranked on overall consistency during the month.]
Solar recently (September 27) beat soO 3-0. He's also performed pretty well over the past month. Obviously, DH is his biggest highlight, but his other performances in September have been solid, at least. So, ranking him as 5 isn't that absurd.
I think the problem with these power rankings is that there just isn't enough tournaments of significance to be able to make extremely accurate rankings. The sample sizes for these players is just too small, in my opinion. During Proleague season, there are many more games, allowing for a much better picture of "Who Is The Best??". So, I wouldn't argue too much over these rankings.
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Looking at a power rank for the very current (at time of speaking) best player is silly. They are monthly rankings.
Who is the best player now? That's how I perceive the power rank. The problem with ony looking at the results of one month is that it can be hugely influenced by variance. Especially if they only have a couple of games against the best players in the world.
But without a doubt, Solars results are good for the month. But each month there is always going to be this "flavor of the month player". Someone who previously was around top 20, who does really well in one month. The question which needs to be answered is whether he actually is that good or whether he was benefiting from positive variance, and that's the hard part about making a powerrank. In the case of Flash, he simply had so many good results against top 20/30 koreans that it was deserved that he went from around a top 30 ranking in early July to a top 2 ranking over the next 2 months. If we look at Solar, he just doens't have enough games against high level koreans for such a jump to be justified. Perhaps if you had him at rank 11-12 (just outside) top 10 in the previous month, it could make sense, but I perceived him as a bit worse than that prior to this month.
Cure looked like - perhaps the best terran just prior to the final vs bomber. But having watched his games since that, I am honestly just not impressed with him. He looked more like a flavor of the first half of September to me and I would probably rank him closer to rank 10 or so.
But, I don't think it's wrong per se to have Solar over Hero, its' a subjective estimate, but I think it's more likely that Hero is a better player right now. Last month, I felt it was a clear error to have Polt in top 10, because almost regardless of how you weighted various factors, you really couldn't justify it. In this month, however, there is no "direct" error.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
No CBNC? Joke rank.
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Soo doens't seem to be anywhere near top 10 atm.
now i've read some silly shit on this website, but this is something else.
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Half of the best players for this month are Terran noooooooo x.x
Legit list though.
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On October 03 2014 13:03 Dodgin wrote:now i've read some silly !@#$%^&* on this website, but this is something else.
Lol, for some reason I thought of Sos ^^ I mean obviously Solar beat Soo, that's what OP's ranking is based upon, becasue before Dreamhack, I don't think anyone thought of him as being a top-10 player. My point is that he needs to have more consistent results against top-caliber players for me to be convinced that he wasn't just benefiting from positive variance.
Some times it happens that worse players beats better players by a large margin. For instance Pigbaby 3-0'ed Taeja, and Taeja 4-0'ed Zest. How much credit should we give to these results? Should we base almost the entire ranking of 1 or 2 series or should we weight short-term results more modestly?
I believe in the latter.
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On October 03 2014 13:07 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2014 13:03 Dodgin wrote:Soo doens't seem to be anywhere near top 10 atm. now i've read some silly !@#$%^&* on this website, but this is something else. Lol, for some reason I thought of Sos ^^
sOs is always top 1 in my heart.
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Does Flash have any tourneys this month to help him stay in PR?
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China6330 Posts
On October 03 2014 13:41 orvinreyes wrote:
Does Flash have any tourneys this month to help him stay in PR?
If he does not go to IEM San Jose or HSC then we will not see him in any tournament before ProLeague.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On October 03 2014 11:06 iViNtaGe wrote:
OHH YEAH BOMBER!
Bomber's high is #1 btw. It was the power rank right after season 2 finals last year.
I only count my own PRs. That makes last month's PR the first by this count. Given the time between the "old" PR and the new (plus the layout change), I thought that was the easiest solution.
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Yep, I'm pretty sure that you didn't put Soo second to make a Kong joke, amongst other things. No sir, no jokes to be had there.
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On October 03 2014 05:23 Big J wrote:
soO not on 1.
Zealously, peanuts probably don't watch Starcraft anymore.
In all truthfulness when was the last time soO was #1?
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United States97276 Posts
at least you can argue that he's pretty consistent
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
INno on 3rd I am pretty happy with  next month 1st ez :D
And rofl these discussions always make me laugh. I love PR
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United States97276 Posts
On October 03 2014 15:24 GumBa wrote:INno on 3rd I am pretty happy with next month 1st ez :D And rofl these discussions always make me laugh. I love PR
they're not going put someone who misses Blizzcon as #1
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
On October 03 2014 15:24 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2014 15:24 GumBa wrote:INno on 3rd I am pretty happy with next month 1st ez :D And rofl these discussions always make me laugh. I love PR they're not going put someone who misses Blizzcon as #1
Just you wait.
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