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On September 05 2014 13:07 sc2isnotdying wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 12:48 SlammerIV wrote:
I think this change is good for the longevity of the scene. I think most of the ppl complaining about this change are the more hardcore elements of the sc2 scene,the guys have been watching sc2 for years and have been cheering for the top Koreans even before sc2 came out. I can understand why those of ppl don't like this change.
I started watching StarCraft at the start of 2013 right as HotS was released, I have never watched GSL because the vods are paywalled and the Korean time etc and I rarely watch proleague because I just don't have much intrest in the player and teams involved. For me season 1 and 2 of wcs this years was really boring, all these random Koreans like pigbaby who I have never heard of before come in and wreck other random Koreans like revival and Oz.
I think most people love watching sports to see their favorite players play, for many ppl top Koreans like flash, jeadong are their favorites, for me, who never watched brood war, my players are the local heroes, Scarlett, kane, polt, suppy, major, neeb, minigun, huk, these are the players I want to see play. When there is a tourney with players I don't care about I don't watch. The excitment is not just about what happens in the game, its about if my player wins or not, just like in regular sports like footballs and soccer.
I don't buy the argument "everyone wants to see the top level of play" for one, the top NA players play at such a high level that most ppl( im not talking about the hardcore fans, you guys who have watched tons starcraft) would not be able to tell the difference between 2 barcode NA players or 2 barcode Koreans playing srsly, everyone uses the same builds anyway. For two, top play is not necessarily the most fun/ exciting to watch, I am not saying poor play is fun to watch, what I am saying is that at the top level the difference between top gsl players and top Na players is not so large that the games would be less exciting to watch.
I understand that this sucks for many of the Koreans but I think this is the best thing for the scene.
Imo this change will make it easier for the more casual fan to get interested in watching starcraft.
Just my 2 cents........
You should really watch proleague. Even to a non-hardcore fan, the level of play is noticeably higher because the players have a week to come up with map/matchup/player specific builds. KT vs SKT is an extremely easy storyline to get into because its basically Red Sox/Yankees. Plus it's not a huge time commitment, and the best players/teams will quickly make an impression.
Yeah I started watching this game the same time that guy did, and maybe it's just different mindsets I suppose but I love local heroes and a whole host of Koreans. I actually love a lot of players and that's why it makes me upset that a lot of Koreans who are struggling to break out in an overcrowded Korea which has only Proleague and GSL are getting screwed for trying to take new opportunities. I dunno, it just sucks. I feel WCS AM had both the cool koreans and local heroes doing pretty well (and it was getting better this season too).
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On September 05 2014 13:01 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Will TL put together a bunch of the pros' reactions, from foreigners to "foreign Koreans" to Kespa players? That'd be really insightful I'd find.
I'll give you a sample right now
Foreigners: FUCK YA
Foreign Koreans: Oh god no ;_;
Kespa: Meh, whatever.
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your Country52798 Posts
On September 05 2014 13:10 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 13:09 The_Templar wrote:On September 05 2014 13:09 Shellshock wrote:On September 05 2014 13:08 opterown wrote:
wow, these are some pretty huge changes, hope it's for the best we can finally talk about how foreigners win premier tournaments again! It won't feel as good though :\ and I'm sure there will be enough resident Koreans where it probably won't actually happen
Maybe if TL picks up an american player, or maybe Sen can get it.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On September 05 2014 13:09 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 13:08 opterown wrote:
wow, these are some pretty huge changes, hope it's for the best we can finally talk about how foreigners win premier tournaments again!
Sen is the only true foreigner. He didn't need a region lock to win.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On September 05 2014 13:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 13:01 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Will TL put together a bunch of the pros' reactions, from foreigners to "foreign Koreans" to Kespa players? That'd be really insightful I'd find. I'll give you a sample right now Foreigners: FUCK YA Foreign Koreans: Oh god no ;_; Kespa: Meh, whatever.
Polt: *unending laughter*
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On September 05 2014 13:09 Morbidius wrote:
Is GSL code S getting reset as well?
I think so? Unless Code S isn't the Korea arm of WCS because they're bringing back OSL and stuff like that? It'd be kinda funny if Flash lost and never qualified for Code A ever again.
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On September 05 2014 13:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 13:01 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Will TL put together a bunch of the pros' reactions, from foreigners to "foreign Koreans" to Kespa players? That'd be really insightful I'd find. I'll give you a sample right now Foreigners: FUCK YA Foreign Koreans: Oh god no ;_; Kespa: Meh, whatever.
Foreign Koreans: We all live in Germany now with visas for EU, Polt and viOLet wont have anything happen to them
I guess pretty much like San, Mvp, and the rest of the American Koreans left to figure something out? San might be able to get a Taiwanese visa since he plays for Yoe and participates in TeSL quite often and just play in WCS AM
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On September 05 2014 13:12 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 13:09 Shellshock wrote:On September 05 2014 13:08 opterown wrote:
wow, these are some pretty huge changes, hope it's for the best we can finally talk about how foreigners win premier tournaments again! Sen is the only true foreigner. He didn't need a region lock to win.
He won a tournament where TaeJa lost 0-2 to Leenock...
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On September 05 2014 13:13 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 13:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 05 2014 13:01 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Will TL put together a bunch of the pros' reactions, from foreigners to "foreign Koreans" to Kespa players? That'd be really insightful I'd find. I'll give you a sample right now Foreigners: FUCK YA Foreign Koreans: Oh god no ;_; Kespa: Meh, whatever. Foreign Koreans: We all live in Germany now with visas for EU, Polt and viOLet wont have anything happen to them I guess pretty much like San, Mvp, and the rest of the American Koreans left to figure something out? San might be able to get a Taiwanese visa since he plays for Yoe and participates in TeSL quite often and just play in WCS AM
Mvp should probably retire
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On September 05 2014 13:14 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 13:13 Shellshock wrote:On September 05 2014 13:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 05 2014 13:01 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Will TL put together a bunch of the pros' reactions, from foreigners to "foreign Koreans" to Kespa players? That'd be really insightful I'd find. I'll give you a sample right now Foreigners: FUCK YA Foreign Koreans: Oh god no ;_; Kespa: Meh, whatever. Foreign Koreans: We all live in Germany now with visas for EU, Polt and viOLet wont have anything happen to them I guess pretty much like San, Mvp, and the rest of the American Koreans left to figure something out? San might be able to get a Taiwanese visa since he plays for Yoe and participates in TeSL quite often and just play in WCS AM Mvp should probably retire
Is there any actual reason to retire?
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On September 05 2014 13:01 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 12:59 Silvana wrote:On September 05 2014 12:55 The_Templar wrote:On September 05 2014 12:54 Lunareste wrote:
so we're going to make GSL be worth 10x as much as the other WCS regions in terms of points, right?
or are we also gonna stop giving wcs points for international competitions? I think WCS should make at least make the GSL a lot less top heavy than it is. Top 16 should all get pretty heavily rewarded in points and money. I think a better approach is not increase the size/prize/points of GSL but to to add more tournaments that run simultaneously. That way you prevent the top 10 KR players winning everything and spread more the prize/exposure among the players. You mean have a OSL/MSL system but each player can only pick one to play in? Isn't that kind of what WCS AM is to WCS KR right now?
I don't think you need to force them to pick just one. During PL, players have a hard time finding time to prepare for their GSL matches, so I don't think they would try to commit to even more. The guys not playing PL would benefit more from such a system, because they have more time available. This could lead to the resurgence of Korean teams without the need to affiliate with Kespa 
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United States97277 Posts
On September 05 2014 13:13 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 13:12 stuchiu wrote:On September 05 2014 13:09 Shellshock wrote:On September 05 2014 13:08 opterown wrote:
wow, these are some pretty huge changes, hope it's for the best we can finally talk about how foreigners win premier tournaments again! Sen is the only true foreigner. He didn't need a region lock to win. He won a tournament where TaeJa lost 0-2 to Leenock...
maybe TaeJa shouldn't have been such a noob. He probably would have lost to Sen if he can't beat Leenock
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On September 05 2014 13:14 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 13:14 Dodgin wrote:On September 05 2014 13:13 Shellshock wrote:On September 05 2014 13:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 05 2014 13:01 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Will TL put together a bunch of the pros' reactions, from foreigners to "foreign Koreans" to Kespa players? That'd be really insightful I'd find. I'll give you a sample right now Foreigners: FUCK YA Foreign Koreans: Oh god no ;_; Kespa: Meh, whatever. Foreign Koreans: We all live in Germany now with visas for EU, Polt and viOLet wont have anything happen to them I guess pretty much like San, Mvp, and the rest of the American Koreans left to figure something out? San might be able to get a Taiwanese visa since he plays for Yoe and participates in TeSL quite often and just play in WCS AM Mvp should probably retire Is there any actual reason to retire?
Is there any actual reason to keep playing? He's not in any WCS, doesn't participate in anything.
I mean I guess there's no need to formally announce retirement if that's what you mean.
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United States97277 Posts
On September 05 2014 13:14 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 13:14 Dodgin wrote:On September 05 2014 13:13 Shellshock wrote:On September 05 2014 13:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 05 2014 13:01 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Will TL put together a bunch of the pros' reactions, from foreigners to "foreign Koreans" to Kespa players? That'd be really insightful I'd find. I'll give you a sample right now Foreigners: FUCK YA Foreign Koreans: Oh god no ;_; Kespa: Meh, whatever. Foreign Koreans: We all live in Germany now with visas for EU, Polt and viOLet wont have anything happen to them I guess pretty much like San, Mvp, and the rest of the American Koreans left to figure something out? San might be able to get a Taiwanese visa since he plays for Yoe and participates in TeSL quite often and just play in WCS AM Mvp should probably retire Is there any actual reason to retire?
serious health issues and decreased opportunity to win prize money since he rarely competes in anything outside of WCS EU anymore?
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On September 05 2014 13:13 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 13:12 stuchiu wrote:On September 05 2014 13:09 Shellshock wrote:On September 05 2014 13:08 opterown wrote:
wow, these are some pretty huge changes, hope it's for the best we can finally talk about how foreigners win premier tournaments again! Sen is the only true foreigner. He didn't need a region lock to win. He won a tournament where TaeJa lost 0-2 to Leenock...
Leenock is a great ZvT player.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On September 05 2014 13:14 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 13:14 Dodgin wrote:On September 05 2014 13:13 Shellshock wrote:On September 05 2014 13:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 05 2014 13:01 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Will TL put together a bunch of the pros' reactions, from foreigners to "foreign Koreans" to Kespa players? That'd be really insightful I'd find. I'll give you a sample right now Foreigners: FUCK YA Foreign Koreans: Oh god no ;_; Kespa: Meh, whatever. Foreign Koreans: We all live in Germany now with visas for EU, Polt and viOLet wont have anything happen to them I guess pretty much like San, Mvp, and the rest of the American Koreans left to figure something out? San might be able to get a Taiwanese visa since he plays for Yoe and participates in TeSL quite often and just play in WCS AM Mvp should probably retire Is there any actual reason to retire?
heal his fucking body?
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On September 05 2014 13:13 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 13:12 stuchiu wrote:On September 05 2014 13:09 Shellshock wrote:On September 05 2014 13:08 opterown wrote:
wow, these are some pretty huge changes, hope it's for the best we can finally talk about how foreigners win premier tournaments again! Sen is the only true foreigner. He didn't need a region lock to win. He won a tournament where TaeJa lost 0-2 to Leenock...
Yeah Leenock is good at zvt.
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your Country52798 Posts
On September 05 2014 13:16 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 13:14 The_Templar wrote:On September 05 2014 13:14 Dodgin wrote:On September 05 2014 13:13 Shellshock wrote:On September 05 2014 13:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 05 2014 13:01 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Will TL put together a bunch of the pros' reactions, from foreigners to "foreign Koreans" to Kespa players? That'd be really insightful I'd find. I'll give you a sample right now Foreigners: FUCK YA Foreign Koreans: Oh god no ;_; Kespa: Meh, whatever. Foreign Koreans: We all live in Germany now with visas for EU, Polt and viOLet wont have anything happen to them I guess pretty much like San, Mvp, and the rest of the American Koreans left to figure something out? San might be able to get a Taiwanese visa since he plays for Yoe and participates in TeSL quite often and just play in WCS AM Mvp should probably retire Is there any actual reason to retire? heal his fucking body?
Well take a break then >.>
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Can we please get more imaginary reactions to hypothetical questions?
That's the best part about this thread.
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real talk it's sad as fuck to see Mvp's only interaction with SC2 being streaming on azubu for <300 viewers a few times a week
just retire, go bathe in your piles of money and frame those GSL pins, man.
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