| Forum Index > SC2 General |
|
Meavis
Netherlands1300 Posts
On July 17 2014 04:41 Survivor61316 wrote: and I believe that the only reason its not played by more people is because the ladder system is to complicated. Well, there's also quite a bunch of people that think starbow is a balance mess, with unlimited selection muta flocks, no good protoss response to zerg t3 and lurkers/marines having buffed up stats. | ||
|
aka_star
United Kingdom1546 Posts
| ||
|
saddaromma
1129 Posts
I'd be really glad if they had some other guy with better communication skills to tell people what they are doing. Fun fact, DK used "we feel" term 25 times. And it makes me sad that balance of the game relies on what they're feeling rather than solid reasonings. | ||
|
KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
On July 17 2014 18:30 saddaromma wrote: David Kim's posts make me zzzzzz... I'd be really glad if they had some other guy with better communication skills to tell people what they are doing. Fun fact, DK used "we feel" term 25 times. And it makes me sad that balance of the game relies on what they're feeling rather than solid reasonings. He is just being humble and respecting other's opinions rather than considering everything he thinks as a given fact. | ||
|
andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On July 17 2014 12:32 pure.Wasted wrote: There is a "take community suggests that are awesome, while not taking shitty ones" button. It's called Heart of the Swarm Beta. "Oops" isn't really a justifiable defense for not using it, as far as I'm concerned, especially not when they've never actually said "We didn't take enough advantage of it, but that'll change next time." I absolutely expect LOTV Beta to be the same polish-fest that WOL and HOTS Betas were. This I agree with. I've been playing Blizzard games since Warcraft 1 and I feel that they completely wussed out with HotS. No Blizzard-made expansion has made fewer changes than HotS did (other than maybe Beyond the Dark Portal). Even the amount of attempted changes was depressingly low. They barely touched all the WoL units when designing HotS. D3's RoS expansion made a lot of changes so it's just the SC2 team that decided not to make many changes with HotS. Maybe they procrastinated knowing they have another expansion planned to make fixes. But it feels like a wasted opportunity. | ||
|
Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On July 18 2014 00:08 andrewlt wrote: This I agree with. I've been playing Blizzard games since Warcraft 1 and I feel that they completely wussed out with HotS. No Blizzard-made expansion has made fewer changes than HotS did (other than maybe Beyond the Dark Portal). Even the amount of attempted changes was depressingly low. They barely touched all the WoL units when designing HotS. D3's RoS expansion made a lot of changes so it's just the SC2 team that decided not to make many changes with HotS. Maybe they procrastinated knowing they have another expansion planned to make fixes. But it feels like a wasted opportunity. Yeah Blizzard isn't the great company that we once knew and love. | ||
|
TopRamen
United States96 Posts
On July 17 2014 11:56 sc2isnotdying wrote: I disagree. Honestly, it's not all that important that the better player eventually wins. This is not the case in Football(American or World), Poker, Settlers of Catan, or any number of popular competitive games. I would agree that good game design should avoid snowballing and award skill, but a great game should also be dramatic, unpredictable and open to any number of dynamic strategies. It looks like LoTV is going to take multiplayer in a bit of more hardcore direction. This makes sense. Any number of casual players have left and at this point they're not coming back. (Though they should come back for the campaign. Give Blizzard credit; HoTS was a sizable improvement on WOL as a single player game) It was ambitious of Blizzard to think that a multiplayer RTS would have lasting appeal to "casual" gamers. I would expect some more micro-intensive units for LoTV. Which is not to say LoTV should turn SC2 into BW. I don't think I'd play the game if had BW's terrible pathing. Or if it didn't have auto-mining for that matter. Well I guess it depends on what your definition of a 'better' player is. I don't think we can say for sure that LoTV is going to take multiplayer in a hardcore direction. We still haven't seen anything, all we've heard is talk. Any emphasis on the 'casual' gaming audience is a mistake. BW became a great competitive and casual game at the same time without the help of Blizzard. HoTS was a sizable improvement at first, then slowly turned into WoLs stale metagame later. I don't expect many micro-intensive units, because of the engine's limitations. Pathing is a tricky issue, I understand from a programmer's perspective you want things to run smoothly. But on the other hand, bad pathing makes gathering up troops harder, creating sort of a supply-line esque feel to it. I don't know how to make an elegant solution that has smooth pathing and keep the benefit of a supply-line feel. Starbow tried a couple of things but they weren't very graceful. Auto-mining you can keep. I don't think auto-mining does much in the long run. | ||
|
ZenithM
France15952 Posts
| ||
|
sm1995
Korea (South)69 Posts
| ||
|
buchaa
Pakistan77 Posts
For the players that are playing well... for their sake... we need this patch as a community to be a success... | ||
|
Nebuchad
Switzerland12387 Posts
This is the only part of the interview that I found debatable and a little dangerous. The reason why you should have let the widow mine like it was isn't that the game was fun. The reason is that zerg was doing good enough against it without a change, and the widow mine didn't look like it "helped terran win more games against zerg" anymore. If you start balancing through excitement, you will be faced with the problem that excitement isn't balanced for all races. The majority of the audience likes terran, so they will be more excited when terrans play. A lot of people hate PvP, so excitement will drop fast anytime protoss does well. You should be doing the same test when terran looks like it's overpowered and when protoss looks like it's overpowered, otherwise the whole process makes no sense. | ||
|
FT.aCt)Sony
United States1048 Posts
Coming back playing after that, I still see the same thing going on. This is a problem and it shows that Blizzard hasn't really paid much attention to the actual gameplay. It could be people living the past, or it could be it doesnt need to be changed because Blizzard feels it works, or it could be some underlying fact, but I still see the same stuff used and done in majority of games. | ||
|
PinoKotsBeer
Netherlands1385 Posts
Crossing my fingers!~!!! | ||
|
Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
On July 17 2014 16:55 19Meavis93 wrote: Well, there's also quite a bunch of people that think starbow is a balance mess, with unlimited selection muta flocks, no good protoss response to zerg t3 and lurkers/marines having buffed up stats. And people like me who just find it much less fun and awesome than SC2 ^^ | ||
|
ObeseHydra
Brazil196 Posts
It gives me hope that LOTV will be even better. (Cause, you know, "SC2 is a bad game" that for some reason I and tens of thounsands of people keep playing 4 years after it's launch). | ||
|
imre
France9263 Posts
On July 17 2014 12:20 Plansix wrote: The problem is "improving" things requires you to do a shit ton of testing. Because before you improve something, you need to make it shitty over and over and over. Since Blizzard is working on Hearthstone and Heroes, that time is not now. There is no awesome switch that they can just flip or just "take community suggests that are awesome, while not taking shitty ones" button either. And you do know the reason why he doesn't elaborate right? English is his second language. He speaks English well, but you can tell he runs up against the limits of his vocabulary a lot. You can tell because he uses a lot of the same adjectives over and over. not like the interview wasn't in english to begin with. | ||
|
Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
On July 17 2014 03:22 Musicus wrote: I feel rather good now about LotV since they seem to work hard on it and test a lot. Considering iNcontrol once said, Blizzard didn't plan any major changes or new units in LotV, they definitely changed their plans for the better. New (or old  ) units and a more micro intensive Protoss race! If they somehow change warpgate and forcefield, it might become great.Can I interest you in some property I'm trying to sell? | ||
|
Iron_
United States389 Posts
| ||
|
VArsovskiSC
Macedonia563 Posts
 | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On July 18 2014 00:08 andrewlt wrote: This I agree with. I've been playing Blizzard games since Warcraft 1 and I feel that they completely wussed out with HotS. No Blizzard-made expansion has made fewer changes than HotS did (other than maybe Beyond the Dark Portal). Even the amount of attempted changes was depressingly low. They barely touched all the WoL units when designing HotS. D3's RoS expansion made a lot of changes so it's just the SC2 team that decided not to make many changes with HotS. Maybe they procrastinated knowing they have another expansion planned to make fixes. But it feels like a wasted opportunity. How is HotS not at least as big a change as BW? BW: Terran: Medics Valkyries Charon Boosters for Goliaths Zerg: Lurkers Devourers I thiiiiiiiiink ultra armor upgrade was a BW upgrade? I'm not sure about that tho. Protoss: DTs Dark Archons Corsairs You could argue that the medic/lurker/dt made a bigger change to play styles than the HotS units, but I'm not really sure about that... The MSC change is bigger than any of them, and the rest are close at least. TFT was a true game changer, they recognized some problems with the game and really made a big overhaul (if I recall correctly, they brought on Zileas for that and he was in charge of the overhaul?) | ||
| ||
StarCraft 2 StarCraft: Brood War Horang2 Dota 2 3181Britney  2899Jaedong  989GuemChi 928Hyuk 598Stork 398Dewaltoss 121Leta  91Shine 73Mong 67[ Show more ] League of Legends Super Smash Bros Other Games Organizations Other Games StarCraft: Brood War StarCraft 2 StarCraft: Brood War |
|
|
EPT
